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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmigaClassicRule on March 06, 2013, 12:08:56 AM
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I bought the Apollo 1260 at 32 Mb of RAM @ 80 Mhz for my A1200!! Oh yeah! Oh yeah! Oh yeah!! :banana::banana::banana::banana:Movies on my Amiga 1200 here I come! Oh yeah! Oh yeah!! :crazy::crazy: AND THIS IS MY CHANCE TO TEST OUT DOSBOXAGA!! NodeCoder, please let me be your BETA TEST FOR DOSBOXAGA!! Oooh yeah!! Let me try out the speed for you and give you results on it...please, please, please...I am so happpppppy!!!!
Time to flood my Amiga 1200 with so much games I feel my head is going to explode!! Mp3 on my Amiga 1200 here I come!!!
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Congratulations, what accelerator have before?
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Congratulations, what accelerator have before?
Thank you :) Used to have the 1230 accelerator, sold it and stayed for a complete year not using my Amiga 1200 with no accelerator or anything. After this long term patience I got this Apollo 1260 :). But in the meantime I have prepared libraries of movies for it and a HUGE LIBRARIES of games so that when I get the accelerator it would be worth it. Also I send my WiFi card to be updated to support WPA/WPA2 security so that my Amiga 1200 can go WiFi and go online :)
I am also planning in the future to buy this for my A1200: http://www.220-electronics.com/sharp-lc22dc30m-22-multi-system-led-tv.html. This way I can have a complete multimedia system for my A1200 and put my 1084S in storage. I still do not have the heart to get rid off or sell the Commodore 1084S so I will keep it safe in storage when I buy that TV.
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Cool, congrats on your upgrade.
Now go and grab some of my 060 ports off AmiNet to play with, top of my list would be ScummVM AGA 060 and BOOM AGA 060 using the 'Back to Saturn' total conversion.
BOOM baby BOOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUfVeqEk-Nw)
DosBox AGA development continues, Matt is making progress with the dynamic 68k core. I'm not really doing anything on the project at the moment because I'm waiting for the core (it will be too slow to use without it).
I'm also a little bit busy with Quake 2 AGA development :)
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Don't forget to share with him your link on how to configure the software patches to make the most out of his new 060.
I'd do it, but I forget the link. :)
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That's true, without the right setup you won't be getting full speed out of your 060.
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That's true, without the right setup you won't be getting full speed out of your 060.
Where can I get the link then? I am going to be using Apollo 1260 :) I wil waitl NovaCoder for DOSBOXAga, my dream come true software :) In the meantime I have enough to keep me preoccupied...FINALLY I will be able to play Ultima 7 on my A1200 heheh AGA.
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Cool, congrats on your upgrade.
Now go and grab some of my 060 ports off AmiNet to play with, top of my list would be ScummVM AGA 060 and BOOM AGA 060 using the 'Back to Saturn' total conversion.
BOOM baby BOOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUfVeqEk-Nw)
DosBox AGA development continues, Matt is making progress with the dynamic 68k core. I'm not really doing anything on the project at the moment because I'm waiting for the core (it will be too slow to use without it).
I'm also a little bit busy with Quake 2 AGA development :)
OH WOW! Boom AGA LOOKS GREAT and the speed on 060 is superb!! Yes! I will for sure add this to list of games I am going to install in my Amiga 1200.
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Sorry, not sure what link he means?
Best talk to Lurch about setup, he's just brought an 060 himself ;)
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Sorry, not sure what link he means?
Best talk to Lurch about setup, he's just brought an 060 himself ;)
Can I private him here in Amiga.org by just entering Lurch?
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Can I private him here in Amiga.org by just entering Lurch?
You can PM Lurch here:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=1781
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You rang? :-)
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You rang? :-)
:)
The summoning was a success!
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You rang? :-)
YAY!!! I send you my email address :)
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I have some 100MHz crystals if you like to try one. I had no luck so far, mine just boot loops with no picture. But I haven't given up, going to try another PSU :-)
My CF Card died, I think it was my fastata that killed it so going back to a laptop HDD. Once I have that setup going to have to post some videos. :-)
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I have some 100MHz crystals if you like to try one. I had no luck so far, mine just boot loops with no picture. But I haven't given up, going to try another PSU :-)
My CF Card died, I think it was my fastata that killed it so going back to a laptop HDD. Once I have that setup going to have to post some videos. :-)
Thank you soooo much for the email you send me :) I can hardly wait to set it up :)
Concerning the 100 Mhz crystals, no thanks I am happy with 80 Mhz. I believe running a 68060 @ 80 Mhz should be more than enough hopefully to get DOSBOX AGA at a decent and enjoyable speed...I am not greedy :D
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No problem, post on here and let me (us) know how you get on. Will add my story too perhaps?
Once I get my HDD setup can start posting about it :-)
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Guys, download this SpeedModule if you want to compare your 80Mhz Apollo setups with mine -> AmiNet (http://aminet.net/util/moni/Blizzard_1260_80Mhz_AGA.zip)
Less speed (apart from the HD) means you're probably not running the right patches.
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Guys, download this SpeedModule if you want to compare your 80Mhz Apollo setups with mine -> AmiNet (http://aminet.net/util/moni/Blizzard_1260_80Mhz_AGA.zip)
Less speed (apart from the HD) means you're probably not running the right patches.
The archive have only .dat file on it. There is no Amiga executable file at all. How do you execute it?
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The archive have only .dat file on it. There is no Amiga executable file at all. How do you execute it?
You need do download SysSpeed from Aminet of course, my file is only the data file module (basically a recording of how my card ran).
You can grab SysSpeed from AmiNet (http://aminet.net/util/moni/sspeed26.lha)
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@novacoder
dropbox and rest of your releases are only playable with 80mhz or people with 040/40mhz, 060/50mhz can run it at aceptable speed?
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I am also planning in the future to buy this for my A1200: http://www.220-electronics.com/sharp-lc22dc30m-22-multi-system-led-tv.html. This way I can have a complete multimedia system for my A1200 and put my 1084S in storage. I still do not have the heart to get rid off or sell the Commodore 1084S so I will keep it safe in storage when I buy that TV.
Your 1084S is massively better than that TV.
That TV cannot naturally display Amiga resolutions. So it emulates them in software with an emulator. And it distorts the picture.
The 1084S displays them naturally with hardware.
Your 1084S is also faster. It can literally change any and all pixels on the screen from ANY color to ANY other color instantly. LCD TVs cannot do that so you get weird blurriness sometimes, kindof like HAM fringing fx.
Remember that Sharp TV is just a plain old LCD TV with a proper LED backlight. Its not magic or anything.
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Your 1084S is massively better than that TV.
That TV cannot naturally display Amiga resolutions. So it emulates them in software with an emulator. And it distorts the picture.
The 1084S displays them naturally with hardware.
Your 1084S is also faster. It can literally change any and all pixels on the screen from ANY color to ANY other color instantly. LCD TVs cannot do that so you get weird blurriness sometimes, kindof like HAM fringing fx.
Remember that Sharp TV is just a plain old LCD TV with a proper LED backlight. Its not magic or anything.
OH! Thanks for the info ChaosLord. In that case I will save my money, I love my 1084S a lot and it produces the best colors possible but the only problem I have with it is the size of the screen. It is small. So if I want to sit on the coach and put two hour movie to play on Amiga 1200, I cannot enjoy the movie as much as I would if the size is 25" or larger. Do you know what I mean? I just wish there was an alternative to that 1084s but bigger screen and produce the same quality as an 1084s.
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Would highly recommend an Indivision, can't get over how good it looks on an LCD.
Big screen goodness.
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But wouldn't Indivision still give that pixelated, doll colour, DOS quality verses PAL/NTSC signal on a 1084s monitor?
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But wouldn't Indivision still give that pixelated, doll colour, DOS quality verses PAL/NTSC signal on a 1084s monitor?
The Indivision is for plugging into a modern monitor. Everything looks crystal clear through them so long as you are not using the VGA or HDMI adapter.
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The Indivision is for plugging into a modern monitor. Everything looks crystal clear through them so long as you are not using the VGA or HDMI adapter.
What if I plug it into the VGA or HDMI port of the monitor itself without using an adapter, would the quality be the same as the 1084s but better yet maintain the same sweetness of 1084s images and colours?
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OH! Thanks for the info ChaosLord. In that case I will save my money, I love my 1084S a lot and it produces the best colors possible but the only problem I have with it is the size of the screen. It is small. So if I want to sit on the coach and put two hour movie to play on Amiga 1200, I cannot enjoy the movie as much as I would if the size is 25" or larger. Do you know what I mean?
I know exactly 10000% what you mean.
That is why I bought a 2nd monitor for watching movies. It is a 61" DLP monitor. It is also an LED monitor because it uses an LED lightsource. But it does not use LCD technology. Instead it has a special Digital Light Processor chip.
If u need a big monitor for watching movies then by all means get a BIG monitor (50"+) not some itsy bitsy teensy weensy 22" monitor.
I just wish there was an alternative to that 1084s but bigger screen and produce the same quality as an 1084s.
The closest thing you can get is a ViewSonic Ultrabrite A90f+ 19" CRT monitor. Its what I am typing on right now. It uses advanced CRT technology so all your pixels change instantaneously and it uses hardware to change the size of the pixels so that it can display all those Amiga gfx modes. Of course it works with PAL and NTSC. BUT it only accepts signals of 31.5Khz + so you need a FlickerFixer for your Amiga. The only FlickerFixers I can recommend for A1200 are ScanMagic FlickerFixer Internal Version or ScanJuggler XAGA internal version.
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@AmigaClassicRule
You can forget about the Indivision AGA. The first version was ok AFAIK but it has not been made for years so you can forget about it.
The Indivision AGA Mark 2 came out but is very buggy and everybody complains about it a lot.
Indivision ECS is also great. But that is NOT Indivision AGA. Sometimes ppl forget that the quality of Product A has nothing to do with the quality of product B.
ScanMagic or ScanJuggler XAGA are your friends :)
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I know exactly 10000% what you mean.
That is why I bought a 2nd monitor for watching movies. It is a 61" DLP monitor. It is also an LED monitor because it uses an LED lightsource. But it does not use LCD technology. Instead it has a special Digital Light Processor chip.
If u need a big monitor for watching movies then by all means get a BIG monitor (50"+) not some itsy bitsy teensy weensy 22" monitor.
The closest thing you can get is a ViewSonic Ultrabrite A90f+ 19" CRT monitor. Its what I am typing on right now. It uses advanced CRT technology so all your pixels change instantaneously and it uses hardware to change the size of the pixels so that it can display all those Amiga gfx modes. Of course it works with PAL and NTSC. BUT it only accepts signals of 31.5Khz + so you need a FlickerFixer for your Amiga. The only FlickerFixers I can recommend for A1200 are ScanMagic FlickerFixer Internal Version or ScanJuggler XAGA internal version.
What is your recommendation toward Indivision? Can I use that for the monitor you specified?
Update: Oh I see. Where can I get ScanMagic FlickerFixer or ScanJuggler XAGA?
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What is your recommendation toward Indivision? Can I use that for the monitor you specified?
Update: Oh I see. Where can I get ScanMagic FlickerFixer or ScanJuggler XAGA?
ScanJuggler is not released yet. Please wait 1-3 months. There was an article about it on some Hungarian forum or magazine or something. I am sure that casting a Google spell with "ScanJuggler XAGA" parameters will find u some good infos about it. :)
ScanMagic is an awesome flickerfixer from 1990s. Hasn't been made since forever. But I see them for sale used sometimes. I have used mine for a zillion hours since 1990s and it still works perfectly.
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Have had no issues with the second version of the Indi AGA. There is no config tool for it but that isn't a big issue.
Looks fantastic, very clear. Also noted is that colours have more pop, more vibrant.
Couldn't live without it now that I've had one. Have it connected with my 24" Dell LCD and workbench looks amazing.
No issues with games either, I can see more detail in most. Many hours spent playing naughty ones and super methane brothers :-)
An interesting item about DLP vs LCD... http://plasmatvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv.html
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@novacoder
dropbox and rest of your releases are only playable with 80mhz or people with 040/40mhz, 060/50mhz can run it at aceptable speed?
Hiya,
I generally only code for hardware that I can physically test it on myself.
I used to have an 030 so wrote a few ports that targeted 030 but now that I've upgraded to an 060 I'm only going to do 060 ports.
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Boom runs on my ACA 1231 okay.. it's playable but not as smooth as with the 060.
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The Indy Mrk2 does have it's problems (which hopefully will be fixed before we all die of old age) but it can produce a fantastic output, it basically looks like an RTG card.
Watch this little video in HD and you'll see what I'm Nice display (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twwIyqDB9TM)
The main issue I have with my Mrk2 is lack of 50Hz support.
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Hiya,
I generally only code for hardware that I can physically test it on myself.
I used to have an 030 so wrote a few ports that targeted 030 but now that I've upgraded to an 060 I'm only going to do 060 ports.
Why do I love you when you say that? :D :D Maybe because I own AN 1260 MYSELF TOOOOO BWAHAHAHAHAH!! Ooops....:rofl:
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The Indy Mrk2 does have it's problems (which hopefully will be fixed before we all die of old age) but it can produce a fantastic output, it basically looks like an RTG card.
Looking good! It does look very much like an RTG card, my only issue with it is that the Indi ECS has the RTG drivers which I used with Doom.
The mk2 also operates in a similar way as the indi ecs so hoping that someone out there will have a go at making the RTG mode work :-(
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ScanJuggler is not released yet. Please wait 1-3 months. There was an article about it on some Hungarian forum or magazine or something. I am sure that casting a Google spell with "ScanJuggler XAGA" parameters will find u some good infos about it. :)
ScanMagic is an awesome flickerfixer from 1990s. Hasn't been made since forever. But I see them for sale used sometimes. I have used mine for a zillion hours since 1990s and it still works perfectly.
This is it? http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=858356
Reading between the Lite version and normal version I am going to buy the Lite version :D :D :D :D :D
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An interesting item about DLP vs LCD... http://plasmatvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv.html
That article is a bunch of nonsense and should be ignored.
They keep saying "Advantage LCD" but when you read the fine print it admits that the Advantage is actually to the DLP.
Then they flat out lied about the color saturation. My DLP has megafantastic color saturation similar to a properly tuned 1084S. It makes videogames look unbelievably awesome. Vastly superior to any LCD.
I have compared many LCD monitors side by side with my DLP. For example having multiplayer Dead Island parties. The DLP always looks very noticeably better. Everyone always wants to come to my house to play games.
Another dumb thing about the article is saying that DLPs have colorwheels? Say what? That was an ancient obsolete technology used a long long time ago. I bought my DLP 4.5 years ago and it has no color wheel. Obviously you should not buy a monitor with a colorwheel. As long as you buy any normal random DLP monitor it won't have a colorwheel and will have a great picture. The only way to get a better picture for movies or videogames is to get a plasma.
The only advantage an LCD monitor has for the consumer is for reading static nonmoving text on a webpage which has been rendered specifically to the native resolution of the LCD monitor. Other than that one use, LCDs are really a ripoff. LCDs exist to benefit the corporation, not the consumer. For gaming and movie watching you are always better off with either a Plasma, DLP or CRT monitor.
I wouldn't mind buying a giant 60" LCD monitor specifically for writing code. But that's all. Movies look much worse on LCD. Games look much worse on LCD.
My brother has bought many LCD monitors from Best Buy, brought them to my house, hooked them up next to my DLP and then said "HOLY CRAP! THIS LOOKS HORRIBLE!" and then he takes them back and gets a refund.
Common LCD Problems:
Everything looks super blocky and jagged all the time.
A lot of them cannot show a BLACK color. All they manage is a dark grey. Its really awful.
Lame viewing angle. If you are outside the viewing angle the picture turns to crap.
Weird fringing fx when certain pixels change from certain colors to other "far away" colors.
Smaller sizes.
Costs more per inch. (I haven't checked the prices in over a year so this could have changed by now)
Drinks more electricity per inch.
Generates more heat per inch.
Sometimes a pixel will burn out. (Dead Pixel Syndrome). This is really awful and I never saw it happen on any CRT, DLP or Plasma monitor. Why buy a defective unreliable product when there are so many other better products to choose from?
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This is it? http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=858356
Reading between the Lite version and normal version I am going to buy the Lite version :D :D :D :D :D
That's the one. I want the full version because The Lite version does not support AGA 1280x512 mode and does not eliminate flicker. Lite version is not a flickerfixer, just a scandoubler.
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That's the one. I want the full version because The Lite version does not support AGA 1280x512 mode and does not eliminate flicker. Lite version is not a flickerfixer, just a scandoubler.
Oh! In that case I will get the full version too.
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DLP is an obsolete technology these days. Not sure what LCD's you've been using but that's not the case anymore, perhaps on older LCD's but technology has moved on since DLP was around.
There are also many different styles of LCD, LED and even OLED. All far better, then there's plasma which use to have better blacks than LCD's but not these days.
Both are as good as each other with current tech.
With 4k and 8k screens on the way time to drop the DLP and move on. But anyway this is OT so back to 060 @ 80MHz awesomeness :-)
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DLP is an obsolete technology these days. Not sure what LCD's you've been using but that's not the case anymore, perhaps on older LCD's but technology has moved on since DLP was around.
There are also many different styles of LCD, LED and even OLED. All far better, then there's plasma which use to have better blacks than LCD's but not these days.
Both are as good as each other with current tech.
With 4k and 8k screens on the way time to drop the DLP and move on. But anyway this is OT so back to 060 @ 80MHz awesomeness :-)
Yeah back! :laugh1::laugh1::lol:
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I have one question I want to ask. My item when it arrives it is going to come with a a little cooling system (maybe a fan) installed on top of the CPU. Do I need to raise the Amiga at a certain height away from the table to get the correct ventilation running? If so, can I buy it from AmigaKit and what is it called?
Thanks in advance.
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You can if you want but I don't think you really need to for cooling (I've never bothered), it also looks ugly when you raise the case. Just check to make sure the FAN/RAM isn't hitting the desk.
Do not install the trap door cover, instead you should use a drop of hot-glue to keep your card stable in the case.
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re: movies
Ive always been interested to see what an '060 can do in the way of video. Dont expect videos you've downloaded to be anything more than a slideshow, but when converted to use non compressed (or very lightly) video formats its possible to get some decent results on any (amiga) system. Im personally running a 40mhz '040, and experimented a bit. Got some decent results, but for dvd-ish quality video transfer rates (plus possibly AGA limits) seem to be the bottleneck.
Funny enough Ive never seen anyone try what is possible movie wise with an '060. Would be interesting to see if there ends up being the same sort of bottlenecks Im experiencing.
Good luck with it (and congrats by the way)
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What resolutions are you using, FPS, format, audio, etc. etc. ?
re: movies
Ive always been interested to see what an '060 can do in the way of video. Dont expect videos you've downloaded to be anything more than a slideshow, but when converted to use non compressed (or very lightly) video formats its possible to get some decent results on any (amiga) system. Im personally running a 40mhz '040, and experimented a bit. Got some decent results, but for dvd-ish quality video transfer rates (plus possibly AGA limits) seem to be the bottleneck.
Funny enough Ive never seen anyone try what is possible movie wise with an '060. Would be interesting to see if there ends up being the same sort of bottlenecks Im experiencing.
Good luck with it (and congrats by the way)
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My experiments were with iff anims + wav file audio.
Could well be better options, but Ive gone in mostly blind and am still learning the ropes.
Ive tried both 320x240, and 640x512 (both 8bit color, which looks nicer than I expected). Audio iirc was 16bit/22050 and 8bit/11025 stereo respectively for no reason other than I was experimenting.
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Hey Fishy_fiz, can you download this tv show in parts into your Windows machine and extract them there then transfer them to your Amiga system?
Ren and Stimpy Part 2: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gszb13allwcw3w3
Ren and Stimpy Part 1: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?huhigfzvgdc7iue
Ren and Stimpy Part 3: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?v6ncelgb161djnp
Use this HAM player: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?fs7n05xgcw3c731
Tell me fishy_fiz about the speed of the movie, quality, sound, etc how it runs in your Amiga and what you think?
P.S "I know this is the worst example, probably because this was my first attempt and I was learning the rope. So the quality is not top notche and the audio does not sync well with video and it is not 100% complete. However it is a demo of the speed, picture and audio running in your system. The other movies and tv shows have improved by every attempt until I actually perfected 100%. The new movies use AGA, the audio/video synch 100% and the quality is close to DVD as Amiga AGA can give in HAM 8."
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I just wanted to give you guys an update. I received my Apollo card and it is running at 80 Mhz as indicated, of course I have not followed Lurch (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=1781) advice yet in getting full optimization of it. But here is a good news about this card. It already comes with an additional 32 MB of RAM slot on the back side and I have managed to install it in the keyboard case without the 32 MB installed so I am left with 32 MB of RAM. Reason behind that is because the keyboard is preventing the 32 MB of RAM from fitting in and that means I will be forced to tower it if I want to expand the RAM to 64 MB of RAM. I have an idea guys...how about I buy this from AmigaKit instead:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=207
Then I can use a normal external PC keyboard to type and I can remove the internal keyboard of the Amiga 1200 and put it somewhere underneath my table or whatever. This way I can install the 32 MB of RAM and there will be huge space for cooling, however the only down side is that it will look a little bit ugly. So is there away I can cover up the space where original A1200 keys should come up with a plastic with tiny ventilation hole? My idea of course will mean I can able to add additional expansion as if it is towered, without the expense of towering my A1200 for just 40 bucks I can be able to use the additional 32 Mb of RAM.
What do you guys think? If you like my idea what advice you can help me from the bold text above?
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Hmm, you might as well look at towering it then. Wouldn't look good but then it will work :-)
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Hmm, you might as well look at towering it then. Wouldn't look good but then it will work :-)
That is ok. If it means towering I am more than ever happy with just 32 MB of RAM. I just need to get the keyboard reworking again in my Amiga 1200 and I should be fine. Now one more question about the USB Sub for Amiga 1200. Do I need to disable it completely in order to prevent it from consuming so much CPU power or can I just keep it active without hooking any USB devices and it should be fine? Only reason I am asking because when I installed the apollo I believe I disabled the Amiga 1200's keyboard. So I was forced to use a USB keyboard but the movie and the hamp player is on the HD. When it played the cartoon it played it in DVD quality and decent frame rate I would say a good easy 15 FPS if not 17, but the sound sounded like it is crawling a bit as if it was playing the cartoon with CPU running at 100% kind of thing. Is it because of Trident been active? If I disable it would it make a difference in performance? Again, I would have done it myself and avoided posting it here but I am not home now so I am wondering.
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Whatever u do, u do not want to use a USB keyboard on your Amiga. That would be a horrible mistake.
PS/2 keyboards on your Amiga are 100% ok because they do not burn any CPU power.
Amiga keyboards operate for free. PS/2 keyboards operate for free. USB keyboards completely frak ur 80Mhz 060 CPU.
You are 100,000x better off towering your miggy and using a PS/2 keyboard. Or just suffer with a tiny little 32MB RAM.
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Whatever u do, u do not want to use a USB keyboard on your Amiga. That would be a horrible mistake.
PS/2 keyboards on your Amiga are 100% ok because they do not burn any CPU power.
Amiga keyboards operate for free. PS/2 keyboards operate for free. USB keyboards completely frak ur 80Mhz 060 CPU.
You are 100,000x better off towering your miggy and using a PS/2 keyboard. Or just suffer with a tiny little 32MB RAM.
Hmmm, towering your miggy or suffering with tiny little 32 MB, tower, 32 MB of RAM! Yup, I am convinced. I will stick with my 32 MB if it means sticking with A1200D case! It is not suffering, to me 32 MB is sweet, big baby!! Sure it may mean never playing Quake 2, but that is only one game, however if three to four AWESOME DROLLING new games show up plus quake 2 to Amiga that demands at least 64 MB of RAM then I will consider the major sacrifice. But since it is only 1 GAME, albiet very sweet game but still one game then I will stick with case. HOWEVER, IF DOSBOXAGA WILL NEVER WORK ON 32 MB OF RAM THEN I am running like bullet speed to tower my A1200. The best part of this card is that it already comes with the additional RAM slot upgrade...so really it is just a matter of towering my A1200 and my problem will go away and I will have 64 MB of RAM easy no need to solder or get someone to solder it for me :D :D
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Hey guys help! My A1200 keeps rebooting with a crash! What can I do to avoid this from happening?
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What is the last thing u did to it?
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What is the last thing u did to it?
It seems to only crash when booted to the previous OS installation I have before Apollo 1260 was installed. But if I run a game like total chaos it does not crash, if I run any game even boulder dash it does not crash. If I watch a movie it does not crash, as soon as I am in the desktop I have 10 seconds before rebooting commences. This prevents me from doing any necessary changes.
When I wanted to partition my drive through workbench 3.1 boot up disk (no crash by the way) I have lost all data now. I have only now two partitions of 3 GB each from my original 20 GB HD but it is no tusing the correct PFS3 file system and I cannot install OS 3.9 because I do not have a cd player and my USB does not work now. I am only stuck with PCMCIA.
What advice you guys can give me to install the PFS3 file system from workbench 3.1 boot up disk into my HD and how do I go about installing OS 3.9 into my HD?
Any help would be greatly appreciate it. Today I cannot do anything because it is late in the night, but hopefully tomorrow I should be able to start fresh and work on this. Any advice today will be greatly helpful for tomorrow.
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My 1st guess would be libs. Also booting from a 3.1 disk will not show up partitions correctly as you'll effectively have no scsi.device capable of reading beyond 8gig, nor is pfs available. These things are only available when the boot media contains then. It's quite likely youve not lost your data, but rather the partitions cant be read because of no updated scsi.device or file systems when booting from a wb3.1 disk.
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My 1st guess would be libs. Also booting from a 3.1 disk will not show up partitions correctly as you'll effectively have no scsi.device capable of reading beyond 8gig, nor is pfs available. These things are only available when the boot media contains then. It's quite likely youve not lost your data, but rather the partitions cant be read because of no updated scsi.device or file systems when booting from a wb3.1 disk.
Assuming i have lost everything and at this point I do not mind at all. I will accept it. I want to start clean fresh installation of OS 3.9 and then clean installation of AmiKit real AGA. But before I do that I want to format all my HD using the new file system PFS3, not FFS or OFS, I want it PFS3. My USB does not work because I do not have an OS to install the driver for it and I am only now stuck with PCMCIA. What advice can you give me to achieve these goals? :)
Thanks in advance.
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Perhaps try creating an emergency boot disc with OS3.9, then install the OS. Once that's done you can create/edit partition table and file system used. Use a 2nd partition, then copy the OS files across to that, use boot menu to select the secondary OS install, then partition/format original OS install partition with pfs, then copy back. This last step is only necessary if you want the boot partition to also use PFS (recommended anyway).
There's a bunch of ways to go about it, but this should work.
edit: if you find yourself having problems booting the OS3.9 disc (sounds like your current install may not be stable enough) then Winuae might come in handy as you can boot from an ISO without the need for cd drivers. Once its installed you'll have access to os3.9 hdtoolbox and you'll also be able to update your file systems with whatever you like, so you can complete the process on your amiga (or do it under winuae, the choice is yours :))
Good luck and feel free to ask if you find yourself stuck again.
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Wont be able to boot into Workbench without the apollo libs. You'll find those in the files I emailed you.
Easiest way is to set it all up under WinUAE using 030 settings then copy the libs over and away you go from there.
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I have couple of questions I want to ask:
1) Can I make an hdf file in WinUAE and transfer that HDF file back into my Amiga 1200?
2) My problem is that Workbench3.1 itself and install3.1 will not allow me to add the filesystem PFS3. And to make matters worse, ONES I MANAGED AND FINALLY MANAGED to my eyes get the PFS3 file system into my real HD and I used the workbench31 format to format it at the end of the format there is an error validating the HD with a -3 and it still came up as System:???. When I rebooted the amiga on workbench31 the HD or System:??? is gone. What do I do?
3) I have no other means of getting into my HD except with workbench31 and install31 and both of those are not able to handle my situation correctly. I just wanted to partition 3 partitions all using PFS3 before installing anything on them I do not WANT TO INSTALL THEM ON FFS OR OFS ANYMORE!! What do I do??
4) Can I just make these partitions on my WinUAE hdf, set it the way I want it then transfer that HDF and burn it back into my A1200's real HD? If the answer is yes, is there an adf boot disk like ghostimage for windows but for Amiga that allows me to transfer HDF file back into the real HD? I have with me from AmigaKit a program that allows me transfer adf to disk and from disk to adf, is that the same program I can use for HDF for my Amiga's 1200 HD?
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Yes, all I do however is use a folder on the PC as my drive then format the cfcard/hdd that's going into the amiga and copy straight from the folder to the cfcard/hdd under WinUAE.
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/pfs3aio PFS3AIO is the way to go.
Here is a good read/howto - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64949
You'll need to partition the drive on it's own, but follow the guide above.
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Yes, all I do however is use a folder on the PC as my drive then format the cfcard/hdd that's going into the amiga and copy straight from the folder to the cfcard/hdd under WinUAE.
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/pfs3aio PFS3AIO is the way to go.
Here is a good read/howto - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64949
You'll need to partition the drive on it's own, but follow the guide above.
That my friend is the very same tutorial I was using (even printed) to install PFS3 but to no avail. I discovered however, the difference between SFS and PFS3 is not SO GREAT, sure the PFS3 is a little bit by a margin faster so that I can live without. However, I discovered that SFS2 can support files larger than 4 GB in a single file and can see partition of HD larger than 20 GB up to 128 GB. To me THAT SOLVED ALL MY PROBLEM. So i am going to follow the video tutorial and install SFS instead...I want to get OS 39+flooded with patches+apollo1260 drivers and stuff+real AmiKit so I can START HAVING REAL FUN on my A1200. I want to play strife, scummVMAGA and so on. So hopefully if anything today I can just finally get the Amiga 1200 functional so tomorrow I can stuff software inside of it.
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Ok guys I am ready!! I have finally installed AmiKit AGA (real) in my A1200. I just have one annoying thing...I want to get rid of the background picture and I cannot for the like of me able too. In the prefs I even selected no background and it kept telling me to close all windows before trying and I tried but it failed..so I rebooted the system and it is still there. Can anyone help me get rid of it completely it sucking huge memory out of my A1200. Also I noticed the CPU usage is a constant 31%...is that normal with AmiKit AGA? There is no way I can lessen the use of the CPU?
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r u using USB mouse or real mouse?
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r u using USB mouse or real mouse?
I am using a real mouse. But actually I have something more important than that. I have setup my main partition System to be SFS (yess) and my work partition to be SFS. I know my HD have 20 GB in total but it can only see 7 GB. How do I get the remaining missing GB? I sorta need that for my games...concerning AmiKit..somehow I managed to get the setting I wanted..surprisingly and now I have 26 MB of Free memory in additional to my chip ram which I believe is more than enough for most apps/games. But the real problem is the remaining partition is not viewable. I missing complete 13 GB.
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u really should use PFS3 AIO edition (AIO = All In One) it works with every hardware config to give you your full unlimited HD sizes. It has to work on ur hardware.
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Since u r going all hardcore Amiga Maniac :) u should consider to have 4 boot partitions:
1. ClassicWB
2. AmikitOS
3. Plain OS 3.x
4. Whatever else u think of later
That way u can have fun trying out everything. Be a total distroslut :D
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Since u r going all hardcore Amiga Maniac :) u should consider to have 4 boot partitions:
1. ClassicWB
2. AmikitOS
3. Plain OS 3.x
4. Whatever else u think of later
That way u can have fun trying out everything. Be a total distroslut :D
The only problem I have is I cannot see the remaining 13 GB. What I will not do is flood this sweet website's forum with my woes and wees I will wait patiently until I receive my WiFi adapter that supports WPA/WPA2 security so i can hook my A1200 online in WiFi then I will ask support in the Amiga IRC community itself. There are couple of more things I need to ask and help optimize. Like for example, when I use ScummVM AGA 060 and run the game Full Throttle in PCMCIA card the FPS is not so smooth. The intro cut scene is very slow and jumping in frames heavily, the game is playable but the cut scene is slow and not moving in correct frame rate...so I am wondering is it because I have not configured Apollo correctly even though I follow's Lurch advice. The only thing I removed is the Ftext because it is causing a problem in my font...so there are things like that I want to discuss live in IRC client. I know I can use a PC for that but I would rather wait for my WiFI card and use it in my A1200 instead. Other than AmiKit is a bit slow performance only because maybe it is using 30% CPU I do not know or maybe because my card is not optimized correctly, it can play MP3 sweetly, video plays it in a good frame rate, sound good but still sound a bit echoing and dragging. Maybe I need to convert from stero sound to mono to get better performance. It can run games sweetly I have not tried strife yet so if it can run strife with no problem I should be fine.
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Have full throttle running really smooth. It does hit the HDD hard though so needs fast access to it.
I have it running through a fastata so not sure what setup you are using?
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Have full throttle running really smooth. It does hit the HDD hard though so needs fast access to it.
I have it running through a fastata so not sure what setup you are using?
That is my problem. I don't have FastATA at all so that is why it is not running really smooth at all with me. That also means if I actually have FastATA installed I can watch movies in HAM8 as smooth as a Quad Processor 2 Ghz with 4 GB RAM running Windows 7 would run an AVI movie in a PC. But because I don't have FastATA it is HITTING ME HARD IN ALL sorts of performance, movies and AGA games ported by NovaCoder. That is also means if DOSBox AGA would succeed in running smoothly but require the maximum accelerator it would require me to buy FastATA fast or else my Apollo 1260 running at 80 Mhz would do squad for me.
Hey Lurch I have a little problem. When I ran AmigaSYSAGA with OS 3.5 which prevented the HDtools from working my Amiga runs 100% As soon as I upgraded to OS 3.9 and all the icons returned into their chiney beauty and HDTools works again and my last partition which is 15 GB showed again where before it was not visible after booting in my AmigaSYSAGA in 30 seconds to 40 seconds the screen turns gray and I have to reboot the Amiga. Ones I reboot it (with software failure message) it returns back again to normal and after 30 to 40 seconds the screen turns gray again. I do know it have to do with driver issue or something resident in memory that is causing this conflict due to version incompatibility or what not. What advice do you have in this regard?
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The calendar/clock thing in amikit AFAIR chewed up cpu cycles.
Not sure if this works in SFS, but addbuffers command in startup sequence used to help spooling stuff off hard drive.
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Hey Lurch I have a little problem. When I ran AmigaSYSAGA with OS 3.5 which prevented the HDtools from working my Amiga runs 100% As soon as I upgraded to OS 3.9 and all the icons returned into their chiney beauty and HDTools works again and my last partition which is 15 GB showed again where before it was not visible after booting in my AmigaSYSAGA in 30 seconds to 40 seconds the screen turns gray and I have to reboot the Amiga. Ones I reboot it (with software failure message) it returns back again to normal and after 30 to 40 seconds the screen turns gray again. I do know it have to do with driver issue or something resident in memory that is causing this conflict due to version incompatibility or what not. What advice do you have in this regard?
Are you sure you have the apollo libraries? Also make sure to remove the bliz kick line, I think it was AmigaSYS that adds that :-)
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Are you sure you have the apollo libraries? Also make sure to remove the bliz kick line, I think it was AmigaSYS that adds that :-)
Why? What does Bliz kick line do?
P.S "Following your advice Lurch, now my Apollo runs at optimal performance! The game throttle RUNS AT OPTIMAL SPEED and it is like a quad processor or feels like quad process. The only problem with that gray screen, it is a bit late so I am heading to sleep and will try it tomorrow and give you an update then."
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Apollo Kick won't work on Blizzard Accellerators.
Bliz Kick won't work on Apollo Accellerators.
So ur system is working 100% ok now? Or ?
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Apollo Kick won't work on Blizzard Accellerators.
Bliz Kick won't work on Apollo Accellerators.
So ur system is working 100% ok now? Or ?
The system is working 100% except for that problem I mentioned earlier where it would go gray screen every 30 seconds and I am forced to reboot the OS. I have not done the changes yet, I will do it now...and ones I do I will report the result here.
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The system is working 100% except for that problem I mentioned earlier where it would go gray screen every 30 seconds and I am forced to reboot the OS. I have not done the changes yet, I will do it now...and ones I do I will report the result here.
Update: Removing Bliz Helped! It made the situation last way longer now before heading back to gray screen. So instead of it going gray screen in 30 screens it goes after 2 minute maybe 3. Ones it goes to screen, if I wait a while...it makes a loud beep noise, turns from gray to green screen, then reboots, says software failure, then restarts AmigaSYS then returns back to the same symptom. But when I had blizkick on before...it was 30 seconds. So the change helped in away :).
Any advice what else I need to do? :)
P.S "Sometimes when it happens again instead of being gray screen, it goes lines of green screen dancing around as the power LED flashes, then becomes full green screen then reboots....after hitting gray. Oh, this does not happen only except if I am in workbench, but if I am playing games it is ok. Oh one more essential update, now it no longer waited 3 minutes it toke less than 5 seconds before repeating the symptoms again."
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I had some of the same issues with my apollo when i had that . but that was every 8-20 hours. It would just freeze.
Never had anything like it on my blizz 060 .
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That is my problem. I don't have FastATA at all so that is why it is not running really smooth at all with me. That also means if I actually have FastATA installed I can watch movies in HAM8 as smooth as a Quad Processor 2 Ghz with 4 GB RAM running Windows 7 would run an AVI movie in a PC.
A standard A1200 14MHz 68020 can play back ham8 videos at full FPS. And a standard A500 7MHz 68000 can play back ham6 videos at full FPS. The only problem is getting data from hard drive quick enough. I did download and play your videos the other week and the audio was broken somehow (can't remember now). Are you still experimenting with this? I might have a crack at this myself if I get the time.
Would be uber cool to have films to download play on my Amiga...even if it is breaching copyright law. :laughing:
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A standard A1200 14MHz 68020 can play back ham8 videos at full FPS. And a standard A500 7MHz 68000 can play back ham6 videos at full FPS. The only problem is getting data from hard drive quick enough. I did download and play your videos the other week and the audio was broken somehow (can't remember now). Are you still experimenting with this? I might have a crack at this myself if I get the time.
Would be uber cool to have films to download play on my Amiga...even if it is breaching copyright law. :laughing:
I have two full movies already in my HD plus well done ren and stimpy episode. I have not done anything yet until I solve my Amiga problem.
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P.S "Sometimes when it happens again instead of being gray screen, it goes lines of green screen dancing around as the power LED flashes, then becomes full green screen then reboots....after hitting gray. Oh, this does not happen only except if I am in workbench, but if I am playing games it is ok. Oh one more essential update, now it no longer waited 3 minutes it toke less than 5 seconds before repeating the symptoms again."
Then this leaves three things.
1) PSU - Not using the standard one? You'll need a better PSU, I'm using a 350W ATX.
2) Timing fixes - I had mine done through Amigakit.
3) Capacitors - One or more might be at fault, I had mine replaced through Amigakit.
Link to timing fixes :
http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/A1200_Mobo_fix/a1200_mobo_fix.html
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But this only happen after I install AmigaSYS AGA. it does not do that in workbench 31, OS35 or even AmiKit Real AGA. It must be some sort of software problem, right? Also it does not happen when I am playing games, besides the power supply I am using is a PC power supply 300 Watt, I got it from AmigaKit. Hold on I will show you the link of the power supply I have:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=866
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Then this leaves three things.
1) PSU - Not using the standard one? You'll need a better PSU, I'm using a 350W ATX.
2) Timing fixes - I had mine done through Amigakit.
3) Capacitors - One or more might be at fault, I had mine replaced through Amigakit.
Link to timing fixes :
http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/A1200_Mobo_fix/a1200_mobo_fix.html
Just another thing, remove everything from the workbench startup folder :-)
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Hmmm.....that is a possibility, yes. Hmmm....let me do that I will keep you guys posted.
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Hmmm.....that is a possibility, yes. Hmmm....let me do that I will keep you guys posted.
I removed tinymeterexe (of course backing it up first) and it seems to be the reason it is giving me a hard time. I am not going to confirm it 100% yet but so far it is acting very stable with no problem. I will leave my Amiga 1200 for 2 hours straight and if it is still OK then that is the problem. However, put that aside, TINY meter is very essential for me because it is the one in AmigaSYS where it put everything on the right side of the screen in category here let me show what I mean:
http://amigasys.ultimateamiga.co.uk/amigainstall3.jpg
Observe the clock and what is underneath it on the right side on the link above? Well, this all had to go away in order for (not confirmed 100%) to be stable and functioning like a horse. Is there a version of tinymeter that is compatible with Apollo without causing any further problem? I really like having that in my screen.
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Not sure as I haven't had any issues with AmigaSYS 060. You're selecting hardware setup and choosing the Apollo under the AmigaSYS menu?
Most of the stuff on that side screen can be access via the right click menu anyway :-)
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Where has all your fast RAM gone?? LOL Should have at least 28MB free?
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Personally, I'd recommend ClassicWB (http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/os39.htm)
It's probably the best one for real hardware.
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Where has all your fast RAM gone?? LOL Should have at least 28MB free?
My experiment is a success, my Amiga 1200 have not crashed or gave me a hard time ever since the disappearance of tinymeter. If what you say is true and by that everything is accessable from the menu anyways then I am happy to say I do not need tinymeter and my Amiga 1200 performance top notch. My Apollo 1260 is optimized, ScummVM running throttle is running at least at a 25 fps, meaning it is smooth as ever.
My AmiAmp runs SUPER fast, the OS boots super fast, I can transfer files and listen to mp3 SMOOTH as ever. I can even listen to mp3 and play scummVM and play throttle with no performance degradation. I even watch ren and stimpy FAST at a 25 fps with smooth sound and no lose in sound quality...that is it boys! I have a 100% full functioning entertainment center. Now I am going to devote my time converting my movies and tv show to run into Amiga classic.
Boys and girls, what I get now is an Amiga classic that gives you the same experience as OS 4.x in modern hardware in all it's media entertainment plus more (meaning more software available for classic over OS 4.x) with one exception however and that is a browser. If Amiga classic have the same browser ability as OS 4.x one could say OS 4.x is not even needed :)
That is just my opinion in the matter. Thank you all for everything, thank you all for helping me and being supportive, thank you NovaCoder for ScummVM and all the other cool ports you are doing for the community!! Time to enjoy my Amiga :)
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Personally, I'd recommend ClassicWB (http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/os39.htm)
It's probably the best one for real hardware.
Amigasys worked well for me, had 28MB free. Just noticed in his screen shot he had just over half of that showing?
But yes classic is probably the best bet :-)
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"Boys and girls, what I get now is an Amiga classic that gives you the same experience as OS 4.x in modern hardware in all it's media entertainment plus..."
Not even close ;)
Enjoy what you have though, it's a cool Classic system.
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"Boys and girls, what I get now is an Amiga classic that gives you the same experience as OS 4.x in modern hardware in all it's media entertainment plus..."
Not even close ;)
Enjoy what you have though, it's a cool Classic system.
Yeah...it truly is a cool classic system :)