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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: nickoteen on February 19, 2013, 02:15:03 PM
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Hi,
The wait is over. My IDE68K has finally arrived. I haven't installed it yet (waiting for some peace and quiet time for myself, this weekend most probably), so I was wandering, what WB are you guys using on your hdd equipped A500s ?
I plan on installing whdload and .. erm, a bunch'o'stuff. Not sure yet.
I'm one of those "new" Amiga users who lacks the expirience/knowledge of the "golden era". What else would be worth having on my A500 ? Recommendations most welcome.
Thanks in advance.
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Which workbench depends on what ROM you have in your Amiga.
A regular A500 has a Kickstart 1.3 ROM. In that case you are looking at one of the 2 following options:
A: Workbench 1.3 plain jane unmodified.
B: Magic Workbench. Which is just a regular workbench that looks a zillion times better.
If you have a Kickstart 3.0 or 3.1 ROM then you could install ClassicWB which is very popular and very powerful.
I have not actually messed around with an oldsk00l ECS workbench install in a century so I am sure other ppl will be along to give more detailed, elaborate, up-to-date answers.
You forgot to say how much RAM you have. If u have a totally basic 1MB RAM Amiga then that limits what you can do. If you have a more reasonable 5MB RAM A500 then that opens up a lot more possibilities.
I gave away all my A500s many many years ago but I kept 1 A2000 which is exactly the same thing as an A500 with a detached ergonomic keyboard and expansion slots. I use my A2000 for retro gaming the same way u use ur A500. My A2000 has 1MB chipram and 8MB fastram which is what plainjaine A500/A2000 were designed for. Having the 8MB fastram lets me multitask nicely, have lots of drive buffers, etc. etc. Just makes the whole experience more enjoyable.
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Hi,
The wait is over. My IDE68K has finally arrived.
WOAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a sec! What is this? Is there a pic or a website?!?!? Can ppl buy these now?
There is a guy on here who really needs one of these if they are available!
Gimme some infos!
How much $?
Pls hurry
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I must say I don't follow. I contacted Mika, asked about the board and three weeks later, give or take, it arrived. V402. 48 euros, shipping included.
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Oh, yeah, ks 3.1, 8 MB RAM.
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Oh, yeah, ks 3.1, 8 MB RAM.
That is nice :)
The only way for it to be nicer is if it was one with a 25Mhz 030 + 16-32MB highspeed fastram.
As soon as you test your IDE68k to make sure it really works then I shall go around telling everyone and their dog to buy one! :D
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Oh, yeah, ks 3.1, 8 MB RAM.
Install ClassicWB then. It is already set up for WHDLoad (unregistered). Just download the game packs, copy the Kickstart images into the correct folder and off you go.
You'll want the 68K version for your A500:
http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/68k.htm
I use this one on my Minimig, Chameleon64 and FPGA Arcade. It is very easy to set up using WinUAE. Just follow the instructions carefully and then transplant the drive into your Amiga.
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Thanks ya all. ChaosLord, this is what you wanted:
http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ide/ide68k.html (http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ide/ide68k.html)
http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ide/i68k.html
But it's not really that new of a product. It's been around for some time now. djos has one, if I'm not mistaken. Mine is v402, prior to it, there have been other revisions of the board, so I don't see why it wouldn't work. Will let you know as soon as I hook it up.
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Install ClassicWB then. It is already set up for WHDLoad (unregistered). Just download the game packs, copy the Kickstart images into the correct folder and off you go.
You'll want the 68K version for your A500:
http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/68k.htm
I use this one on my Minimig, Chameleon64 and FPGA Arcade. It is very easy to set up using WinUAE. Just follow the instructions carefully and then transplant the drive into your Amiga.
I agree. I run ClassicWB 68K on my Amiga 500+.
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Thanks ya all. ChaosLord, this is what you wanted:
http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ide/ide68k.html (http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ide/ide68k.html)
http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ide/i68k.html
But it's not really that new of a product. It's been around for some time now. djos has one, if I'm not mistaken. Mine is v402, prior to it, there have been other revisions of the board, so I don't see why it wouldn't work. Will let you know as soon as I hook it up.
Am I reading this right? You need an A600 version of Kickstart with the IDE controller code on it, even in an A500 (one of the first lines at the link above).
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Am I reading this right? You need an A600 version of Kickstart with the IDE controller code on it, even in an A500 (one of the first lines at the link above).
From the website: "Since the board emulates the internal IDE-interface of Amiga 600 and it doesn't have ROM of its own, you thus need Kickstart ROM with the driver for A600's IDE."
Looks like it!
Just noticed down in the FAQ that this board conflicts with the Indivision in Amiga 500's. Might be important for some of the other users posting about this topic recently. Personally I tried researching the IDE68K a while back, but got confused by all the different versions and just went with a sidecar HD instead, LOL. :p
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The IDE68K has been around for a few years now, just declare interest over at Amibay and send him a PM or drop him an email :-)
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=7158
I had one, great little board but ended up swapping it for some other Amiga hardware :-)
Kickstart 2.05 or higher works fine or a custom kickstart 1.3 with the A600 code and it works fine.
As for the board it fits fine and it is miles away from the Indivsion ECS, I know because I had it setup that way :-)
You will need to be able to solder though, two wires run from the IDE68K to the Amiga 500. Plus you can't use a side car with it installed.
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Whoaaa it has arrived :)
Picspicspicspicspics :) !
Now... why bother yourself with one choice ? Do all of them !
You'll be using a CF hard drive, right ? Well CF cards are nothing if not easy to swap.
Have a 3.1 (Classic WB) on your main 4GB card, and then have several more on smaller cards. You should be able to find used 256MB CFs for a Lipa, or for free even :) Install WB 1.3 on them just for the fun of it. Feel the ultra retro system :) Then switch back to 3.1 for serious work. Do a mutant system of your own on a third separate card and use it to test and experiment the hell out of Amiga software :)
See... there are no limits !
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Install ClassicWB then. It is already set up for WHDLoad (unregistered). Just download the game packs, copy the Kickstart images into the correct folder and off you go.
You'll want the 68K version for your A500:
http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/68k.htm
I use this one on my Minimig, Chameleon64 and FPGA Arcade. It is very easy to set up using WinUAE. Just follow the instructions carefully and then transplant the drive into your Amiga.
Uhm, Darrin, a little help here please.
I've dl-ed the Classic WB 68K as you suggested, and managed to set it up under WinUAE without a hussle. But, how do I transfer that System.hdf to my CF card ? I'm clueless.
I can add my card as a hard drive under WinUAE, and it says it a 399 MB drive (the CF itself is 4 GB). I tried using HDSetup and HDTools that reside on WB 3.0 install disk, but neither of them managed to partition my card. The card is either invisible or I get a message similar to: Error - this drive cannot be partitioned.
The installation of a WB 3.0 (again, under WinUAE) to the 399MB (why 399 MB I don't know) partition went thru. After removing all floppies and reseting WinUAE, I sucessfully booted into WB 3.0 (took only 4 MBs on the card). How to partition the card ? What's the largest partition size I can use under WB.
A bus full of questions, I know. (Lord AGA, feel free to jump in at any point : ) )
Thanks in advance to all ...
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Kickstart 2.05 or higher works fine or a custom kickstart 1.3 with the A600 code and it works fine.
As for the board it fits fine and it is miles away from the Indivsion ECS, I know because I had it setup that way :-)
You will need to be able to solder though, two wires run from the IDE68K to the Amiga 500. Plus you can't use a side car with it installed.
Too complicated for me. I suddenly lost interest.
1. Hafta upgrade the kickstart. That is extra $
2. Banished from adding memory expansion on the side? :( It just ain't an Amiga without some FASTram added on. Certain games need fastram to run at full speed, else they drop the framerate.
If you plug one of these into an A2000 does it banish you from using ALL your Zorro slots?
If you plug one of these into a CDTV or Minimig then does it block any hardware from working?
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It just ain't an Amiga without some FASTram added on.
Kipper2K sells an adapter board that allows you to use his 4MB or 8MB expansion boards with IDE68K. 4th item down the list on this page:
http://kipper2k.com/amigaforsale/
I've also heard rumor that Kipper & MKL are working together on a combination memory + IDE68K board, that might be interesting, too bad it's not an accelerator, also!
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Uhm, Darrin, a little help here please.
I've dl-ed the Classic WB 68K as you suggested, and managed to set it up under WinUAE without a hussle. But, how do I transfer that System.hdf to my CF card ? I'm clueless.
I can add my card as a hard drive under WinUAE, and it says it a 399 MB drive (the CF itself is 4 GB). I tried using HDSetup and HDTools that reside on WB 3.0 install disk, but neither of them managed to partition my card. The card is either invisible or I get a message similar to: Error - this drive cannot be partitioned.
The installation of a WB 3.0 (again, under WinUAE) to the 399MB (why 399 MB I don't know) partition went thru. After removing all floppies and reseting WinUAE, I sucessfully booted into WB 3.0 (took only 4 MBs on the card). How to partition the card ? What's the largest partition size I can use under WB.
A bus full of questions, I know. (Lord AGA, feel free to jump in at any point : ) )
Thanks in advance to all ...
If you have the Cloanto version of WinUAE, mount your CF card as an Amiga drive under that, and use the AMISYS "HDTOOLBOX" to prep and format the CF Card (I say this because I've had problems prepping certain CF cards using OS3.1/OS3.9 HDToolbox. You should be able to format the whole card as a 4GB Amiga drive.
Once you have it formatted, mount your HDF file containing your complete ClassicWB installation and just simply copy the contents from the HDF to the CF card root.
Pop your CF card into your Miggy and you should be good to go.
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Wow! Kipper2K is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But wait, can u really plug all that stuff into an A500 and it works?
1. A500
2. A500 CPU Adapter.
3. 8MB RAM Expansion
4. IDE68K
All that ? Has anyone done it?
And could u also add one of his CF Adapter cards to that if you wanted?
(A normal hard drive is good for me but some ppl want CF cards.)
Also, does all that stuff work in an A2000? Does Kipper2K have an A2000?
Actually my A2000 already has 9MB in it so I would not want the memory expander board. And its an A2000 so I would not need the cpu adapter right? I could just plug in the IDE68k and go, right? If only I knew how to solder :(
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Yeah, Kipper is awsome ! I have his 8 MB Fast Ram board and it works great. Ide68K is not that much of a problem either. Yes, you have to change your ROM, but they are 20-25 bucks a piece over at ebay. And yes, you have to solder 2 wires from ide68k board to the motherboard. But that's not a problem either. I bet you know someboday who can do it for you, if you can't. My oppinion anywayz. The reason I like this solution more is because it's an IDE controller which allows me to use modern CF cards. SCSI devices on the other hand, don't. (as far as I'm aware)
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Mechy makes SCSI to CF adapters. I think he lets anyone buy one. :)
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If you have the Cloanto version of WinUAE, mount your CF card as an Amiga drive under that, and use the AMISYS "HDTOOLBOX" to prep and format the CF Card (I say this because I've had problems prepping certain CF cards using OS3.1/OS3.9 HDToolbox. You should be able to format the whole card as a 4GB Amiga drive.
Once you have it formatted, mount your HDF file containing your complete ClassicWB installation and just simply copy the contents from the HDF to the CF card root.
Pop your CF card into your Miggy and you should be good to go.
Yes, Cloanto WinUAE here. AmiSys HDToolBox on the other hand, I don't have. Bummer. Any idea where can I get it ? Or a suggestion of some other (similar) utility ?
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Aga to the rescue :)
I remember those HD prep programs being tricky. One would not do the trick, and the other did it just fine.
Sadly, I forgot which one's which :D
On the top of it, I remember some WinUAEs will do the CF prep just fine, and some wont. I think 2310 is the safe bet.
Something to do with not saving the changes correctly or... ?
Anyway, 2310 + one of those HD prep utils will do the trick.
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Well, after a whole week of playing with my cf card under WinUAE, trying all sorts of utilities and pulling my hair out (cause the card was either invisible, or if I managed to make it visible non of the hdd software could actually "save changes" to the drive), I finally did it ! I've got my self an Amiga formated 3.5 GB (FFS, I know) drive, with Classic WB installed along with a Mount Everest high pile of Whdload games, demos and stuff. Cool, eh ? Well, not quite ...
Yesterday I pulled out my soldering iron and
1.) Removed the original C307 cap (right above Paula) and replaced it with a new one (it was in a way of my (kipper2ks) cpu adapter board)
2.) soldered 2 connectors to expansion slot connectors 9 and 10 (gayle signaling)
3.) solderes 2 wires to my ide68k board
and just when I was ready to connect everything up and see if it works ... The Horror !
I mean, I just can't believe I've missed it.
Bloody ide68k has a 3.5 inch ide connector on itself (why ?) and my cf2ide adapter has 2.5 inch connector and cable connected to it.
Just my luck. I guess the 3.5" to 2.5" ide adapter is the missing component here. Right ? Is there anyone here owning ide68k to, ... er, point me in the right direction ?
djos perhaps ...
Thankz in advance ...
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Got myself one of these:
http://www.minipc.de/catalog/il/441
Connected everything up and ... nothing.
When turned on, Amiga stays idle for some 30 seconds or so (blank screen, nothing), like she's trying to communicate with HDD (cf), then it reaches for a floppy.
When I disconnect the ide68k, the floppy drive is accessed immidiately after power up, so it looks like she's trying to "do" something with my CF but with no success.
Any help greatly appriciated.
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But wait, can u really plug all that stuff into an A500 and it works?
1. A500
2. A500 CPU Adapter.
3. 8MB RAM Expansion
4. IDE68K
All that ? Has anyone done it?
djos managed to do it with his A500+. But he has his CF slot at the back. He is selling that machine. Have a look at that thread for info and pics.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64302
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Oh, man ... !
I've seen that post, even replyed with a question or two, but it wasn't until now that I really looked at the photos.
I've put my ide68k on the first cpu socket of kippers "cpu realocation" card, and my 8mb fast ram on the 2nd (angeled) cpu socket, and my MC68K was (is) put on top of my RAM board.
And of all the combinations, RAM board always worked without problems, and ide68k didn't.
I also couldn't close up my case with this kind of setup.
Djos has all the cards stacked one on top of the other, in the back cpu socket and MC68K on top of everything. Hmm ... Maybe this was the cause of my problems.
Maybe I connected everything in the wrong order.
Thanks mrknight 4 pointing that up 2 me. Will try djos setup asap !
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Wow, I accidentally helped someone :lol:
Feel free to tell us how it goes. And photos please:)
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Yeap, you accidentally helped me (i think), but quit brannigan about it ! : ))) j/k, big Futurama fan here ... :)
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Got myself one of these:
http://www.minipc.de/catalog/il/441
Connected everything up and ... nothing.
When turned on, Amiga stays idle for some 30 seconds or so (blank screen, nothing), like she's trying to communicate with HDD (cf), then it reaches for a floppy.
When I disconnect the ide68k, the floppy drive is accessed immidiately after power up, so it looks like she's trying to "do" something with my CF but with no success.
Any help greatly appriciated.
Surely that adapter is for going the other way?... It's for hooking up a 3.5" HDD to a 2.5" motherboard socket (hence the 12V power plug that attaches to the 3.5" HDD). I hope you haven't fried anything. :(
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You think it's the wrong adapter type then ? Hm.
Well, it says, 2.5" to 3.5" ide adapter (my ide2cf adapter which holds my cf card is 2.5" and my ide68k ide connector is 3.5"), so I thought I was buying the right thing.
You got me puzzled now ...
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But wait, the product description says:
"For connecting 2.5" harddrives to eg. Via ITX mainboards (Standard IDE)"
My cf card is mounted on a cf2ide adapter which has a 2.5" (44 pin) ide connector, hence, it's like a real 2.5" HD drive, whereas my ide68k has a 40 pin (Standard IDE) connector and to my conclusion, the adapter should be of the rigtht kind. Er ... right ? Anyone ? :)
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Beats me...
I've been lost since the beginning of page two :D
EDIT:
Tell us the types of connectors (male or female). Adapters can have both.
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I'd say: no WB, just AmigaDOS to save every byte for WHDLoad!
That's how I use my A600, my Minimig and my A1200 :)
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Beats me...
I've been lost since the beginning of page two :D
EDIT:
Tell us the types of connectors (male or female). Adapters can have both.
44 pin side (2.5") has female connector, 40 pin side (3.5") has male connector.
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Wow! Kipper2K is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But wait, can u really plug all that stuff into an A500 and it works?
1. A500
2. A500 CPU Adapter.
3. 8MB RAM Expansion
4. IDE68K
All that ? Has anyone done it?
And could u also add one of his CF Adapter cards to that if you wanted?
(A normal hard drive is good for me but some ppl want CF cards.)
Also, does all that stuff work in an A2000? Does Kipper2K have an A2000?
Actually my A2000 already has 9MB in it so I would not want the memory expander board. And its an A2000 so I would not need the cpu adapter right? I could just plug in the IDE68k and go, right? If only I knew how to solder :(
According to Mika Leinonen:
"V402 shoud fit, at least with a riser socket. (Riser might be needed, if
> there's some components between 68000 socket and the 86-pin slot, such as
> a 4-pin header in some Amiga 2000 mainboards.)"
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44 pin side (2.5") has female connector, 40 pin side (3.5") has male connector.
Perhaps you (I :) ?) should buy this thing:
http://www.kupindo.com/Kontroleri/11472345_Adapter-CF-na-IDE-3-5-
And skip the suscpicious adapter.
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Perhaps you (I :) ?) should buy this thing:
http://www.kupindo.com/Kontroleri/11472345_Adapter-CF-na-IDE-3-5-
And skip the suscpicious adapter.
I like that.
If I can find a US supplier I may have to buy one for my Quicksilver.
It would allow me to boot morphOS then immediately switch to an SCSI drive.
Plus it plugs directly into the motherboard.
They only problem is the need to use a floppy to molex power adapter.
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This is a great adapter :)
I even installed Windoze XP on a CF card for fun :D
For power, I think Amiga can use this:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1030
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Thanks Lord Aga. Will follow your recomendation then.
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Perhaps you (I :) ?) should buy this thing:
http://www.kupindo.com/Kontroleri/11472345_Adapter-CF-na-IDE-3-5-
And skip the suscpicious adapter.
You know what's bugging me, Lord Aga ? The suggested adapter has a female IDE 40 pin connector, the same as a 40 pin IDE cable that came in a box, along with my ide68k. I don't think this is the adapter I need.
Maybe something like this instead ?
http://www.buyincoins.com/new_en/details/dual-cf-to-40-pin-ide-3-5-male-hard-drive-adapter-product-721.html
Anyone ? Is there anyone owning ide68k who can tell me which cf2ide adapter should I buy ? Please ...
Thanks.
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Well, "my" adapter goes straight into the 40 pin IDE port. No cables necessary.
But I don't know if this is possible inside the A500. Is there room ?
If not, the go with that other adapter + cable for additional flexibility :)
Same thing with 2.5 adapters for A1200/A600. There are some that go straight on mobo's 44 pin. And some which require a cable, but are more flexible to move around.