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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: mark76g on February 15, 2013, 04:01:16 AM
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Hi,
I used to have an Amiga 600 back in 1993. It broke down one day so I pulled out the hard drive and stored it. The rest of the 600 was eventually thrown out.
I just found the drive. Its in good condition. There are no signs of any rust or damage.
The are are a lot pictures and other files on there that have sentimental value.
So I was thinking about resurrecting the drive saving the files to my PC.
What do you think the best method would be ?
I could buy an old A600 and plug it straight in. Or it might also work with a A1200 or an A4000 if I couldn't find a 600 im not sure.
Or mabey I can plug into some kind of cradle that then plugs into the pc and run an emulator ?
If the drive is working I then need a way of copying the files to my PC.
Any ideas.
Thanks,
Mark.
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I've wondered this myself, about my old A1200 drives. I think if you get an external USB chassis (from newegg or wherever), install the drive in it, and plug it into a PC under UAE it should work? At least that's my thought, still haven't had time to try it out, hopefully someone else on here can confirm! :)
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I'd suggest to connect the drive to a Linux PC (e.g. with an USB adapter) and create an image with dd. Assuming the drive shows up as sdb, the syntax would be something like this:
# dd if=/dev/sdb of=image.hdf
The image should be usable in UAE afterwards.
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USB adapters don't work with these really old drives. You'll need to connect it to an IDE port.
It should work in an A1200 or A4000. For the A4000 you need an adapter from 2.5" to 3.5".
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Thomas: Many USB enclosures use IDE - why would they not work? New enclosures are probably almost exclusively SATA but it shouldn't be too hard to find an IDE version...
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You need a USB to IDE 2.5 or an IDE port. I have a SATA-IDE 3.5 2.5 with external power for HD repairing. Plug it on your pc and it will give u a message about to format the drive, select NO. Now run WinUAE and create a std A1200 config and in HD section choose : Add Hard Drive - Pull down until you find the disk (check capacity next to it if you don't know exactly the device.
HD Controller : IDE0 and check Read/Write
Add PC Drives on startup so you can backup it.
If your disk doesn't boots put a bootable disk of DOpus in Floppy 1.
It works 100%, if you have any questions tell me and we will do it via team viewer.
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Thomas: Many USB enclosures use IDE - why would they not work? New enclosures are probably almost exclusively SATA but it shouldn't be too hard to find an IDE version...
Believe me, it does not work if the drive is too old. ATA standards have changed and USB adapters don't support the very old standards.
An enclosure will not work, either, because the drive does not fit into it. Original Amiga drives (40 MB or less) are full-height drives (twice as high as modern 2.5" drives).
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Believe me, it does not work if the drive is too old. ATA standards have changed and USB adapters don't support the very old standards.
An enclosure will not work, either, because the drive does not fit into it. Original Amiga drives (40 MB or less) are full-height drives (twice as high as modern 2.5" drives).
I bought two years ago a USB like this. It is only the plug. Front 3.5 rear 2.5 and in the middle SATA, also a power supply came with this. There is no case to put the HD inside. I backed up 170, 40 and even my old A1200 20MB disk with this.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2618/513eaadqdl.jpg
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I have such, too. I works with every drive I own except the really old one from the A600.
And there are many other people on other forums which have the same experience.
I must admit that I never saw such a double-height 2.5" drive before I opened the A600.
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I have such, too. I works with every drive I own except the really old one from the A600.
And there are many other people on other forums which have the same experience.
I must admit that I never saw such a double-height 2.5" drive before I opened the A600.
Does the drive still works on Amiga? I have a 20MB "fat" that works OK with the USB.
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Yes, it did work in the Amiga. I finally used Amiga Explorer to make a backup. Now I am no longer interested in it.
I just wanted to warn that it does not work with just any USB adapter because I am not the only one who experienced this. You seem to own the only USB adapter which works with these drives.
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Yes, it did work in the Amiga. I finally used Amiga Explorer to make a backup. Now I am no longer interested in it.
I just wanted to warn that it does not work with just any USB adapter because I am not the only one who experienced this. You seem to own the only USB adapter which works with these drives.
I really did't knew that people having problems with that. Dunno, maybe I'm lucky in this part (cause I had many probs so many years with those old machines). Hey, how much will you think I get if I sell it ;-)
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Thomas is right, I had the same problem with A600 drive and USB case.
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I concur --
I was in the same position with my 1200 drive.
could not get DD to work with a USB enclosure.
In the end i had a quick work with the IT / Sys admin bloke at work
and he was ok with me lifting the cover off one of the older Dells we had floating around .
With the aid of an IDE cable and an ubuntu live disk I was able to dump my drive onto a usb stick and then take it home for working with.
I used DD if=xx of=xx command as others have already suggested
Nick
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I just use a 3.5" to 2.5" converter like the one below:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320665213393?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D320665213393%26_rdc%3D1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320665213393?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D320665213393%26_rdc%3D1)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2-5-Laptop-to-3-5-Desktop-IDE-Hard-Drive-Adaptor-HDD-/00/$(KGrHqR,!iwE1MJ6kGIuBNb,L1Km8w~~_1.JPG)
I hook up old laptop drives and CF adapters this way. It's ugly though as I have the wires routed up through an empty floppy bay in my tower.
If there's a USB solution that works then I'd recommend it, as not everyone likes opening their computer up. And if it's anything like mine then it's spaghetti junction in there...I avoid it if possible.
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Given that I cant be %100 sure the drive actually works and the data is not corrupt it sounds like I should buy an old A600 or A1200 an plug it in.
If it doesn't boot then I know for sure its gone. I can just image buying cradles and adaptors and messing around and then never really being sure if the drive is ok or ive bought the wrong parts or im typing the wrong thing.
So if I get hold of an A600/1200 and it actually boots whats my next step. Whats the easiest way to get the data off it. The files are mostly text and pictures which I could use on any modern operating system.
PCs no longer have disk drives and Amgias pre date USB ports. Maybe theres something I can do with the PMCIA port ?
It would be kind of fun to get an image of the whole drive as one file and then run it on UAE I suppose as long as it not too much messing around.
Mark.
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Given that I cant be %100 sure the drive actually works and the data is not corrupt it sounds like I should buy an old A600 or A1200 an plug it in.
If it doesn't boot then I know for sure its gone. I can just image buying cradles and adaptors and messing around and then never really being sure if the drive is ok or ive bought the wrong parts or im typing the wrong thing.
So if I get hold of an A600/1200 and it actually boots whats my next step. Whats the easiest way to get the data off it. The files are mostly text and pictures which I could use on any modern operating system.
PCs no longer have disk drives and Amgias pre date USB ports. Maybe theres something I can do with the PMCIA port ?
It would be kind of fun to get an image of the whole drive as one file and then run it on UAE I suppose as long as it not too much messing around.
Mark.
If you had an A600 or A1200, then you could get a CF adapter from amigakit and transfer files that way via CF card. If you don't have a laptop with a PC card slot, or if you don't have a CF card slot, then the USB multicard readers are cheap enough at £5 and you could plug the CF card into that...
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=440
CF cards are cheap as well, especially an old 100MB card, even a 1GB one.
It's easy to copy the files over, and indeed make a drive image if you wish.