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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Invisix on January 28, 2004, 04:22:50 AM
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What are the cons of pros of Voyager and IBrowser?
AWeb (Open Source) really bothers me especially on this site... it keeps "reloading" the website while the graphics load... VERY annoying! That and t he buttons and graphics within the browser are corrupted.
So I am willing to purchase either Voyager or IBrowse... :-o I just needs the cons and pros of each. :-D
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I'm looking at the same issue. My concern is that it doesn't look like the Vapor (Voyager) has updated their site in over a year. It could just be me, but it's not inspiring me to send them money. :-o
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I'd wait for IBrowse 3 which I hope is available "real soon now (tm)".
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I'd wait for IBrowse 3 which I hope is available "real soon now (tm)".
Wouldn't it make more sense to release IBrowse 2.4 first? (Who knows.. 3 is being worked on, but there are fixes that are supposed to go in to 2.4.)
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Hi :-)
You can go for IBrowse v2.3 or wait for v2.4 or v3.
It's a very good and fast browser, getting better and better at each upgrade, I use it since it's v1.1 version and never regreted my purchase :-)
I bought Voyager v3 too, but it's not really upgraded so often (68k version) and suffer some annoying bugs, and I wait to see the evolution when OS4 will be available.
In respect to that I can't recommend Voyager at the moment, so go to IBrowse with no regrets :-)
Amigalement,
Jean-François, Amiga ONLY since 1985.
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Erm, iBrowse is $69 USD and Voyager is only $47 USD and Voyager has a Shockwave Flash plugin... i'm confused I dunno which one to get. :-(
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Erm, iBrowse is $69 USD and Voyager is only $47 USD and Voyager has a Shockwave Flash plugin... i'm confused I dunno which one to get.
Try the demos of both. You'll most likely find that IBrowse is better. Voyager does have a flash plugin, but it's sadly outdated and hardly ever works properly. (Not to mention that certain features of Voyager have not been reimplemented.)
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I am actually registered for both Voyager AND IB, but I haven't used Voyager in a year or so now - basically I stopped using Voyager when IB2.3 came out, which was just over a year ago.
Voyager is generally a nice Browser, but unfortunately it is not the most stable of programs, and while it's stability HAS improved of late, it's still dodgy and personally I find nothing more annoying than a crash when you're in the middle of browsing a website, especially if you were entering information you have to remember all over again or you can't remember the URL of where you were etc etc.
IBrowse2.3 on the other hand is very stable on my system, much more reliable and it generally is a more polished off Browser. It's Javascript support is better than Voyager's, which is more important than FLASH in my opinion. For example, with IB2.3 you can get on and use MSN's website. With Voyager you cannot.
If you're asking my advice, I'd definately say go in the direction of IB
Brian
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Ibrowse is much more stable, and any way better.
There is flash player which is better than voyager's flash player.
http://abalaban.free.fr/swfplayer.html
There is a confics for all amiga web browsers, includin voyager.
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IBrowse every time.
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IBrowse may be a "bit" slower in some respects, but
it's definately the most stable and overall least
annoying of amiga browsers...
Begin somewhat unrelated rant:
...also the PPC version of Voyager competely hogs
the CPU when scrolling windows or loading "heavier"
sites like EBay, even locking the mouse pointer at
times. I find it just a little amusing that IBrowse *emulated*
eats less CPU than *native* PPC Voyager...
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I'm a registered user of bot V3 and IB2.3, but I use IB almost exclusively. Its java handling is miles better and I find IB handles animgifs better.
The only gripe I have is the time taken for IB to load once its cache is over about 25Mb. I had assigned 50Mb caches to both browsers, but IB slowed to a crawl when loading, taking several minutes to fire up. I now use 20Mb which is better and I disabled download caching too.
Buy Ibrowse.
Cheers,
JaX
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AWeb to me is like the Opera of PC browsers: the layout is just *wrong* :-)
Voyager 3x annoyed the hell out of me because it installed MUI classes that made other apps crash all over the shop, and Voyager wasn't stable either.
IBrowse 2.3, I bought IBrowse a couple of years ago. A good, but very basic browser.
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ibrowse is better + STILL in DEV! (on 68k) , voyager is so unstable that it make me go aaaarggh!.
anyway ibrowse has crashed 2 times since i updated to 2.3 12 months ago , and i do webbrowse everyday! and ALOT! :)
anyway Voyager developer doesnt have a 68k amiga anymore and its most likely we will never see an update here unless its ppc only (and morphos ONLY most likely) ..
but then again this is a choice u have to take, i am very happy with ib2.3 , its so much better than 2.2 and older versions, i use my amiga for everything (only got amiga so)..
cheers
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AWeb (Open Source) really bothers me especially on this site... it keeps "reloading" the website while the graphics load... VERY annoying! That and t he buttons and graphics within the browser are corrupted.
About the corrupted graphics, I advice you to change it (there are many "skin" available in the AWeb package or on Aminet), then the gfx should be ok.
I personnaly use AWeb most of the time because it's fast and stable. But I also use Voyager (PPC) for more complicate site (Flash, SSL ...).
By the way, I did not find the way to use SSL with AWeb.
In the end, you would get Voyager PPC for "free" if you get a Pegasos with MorphOS.
PS: IBrowse is a very good browser compatible and stable, but still crashable :-(
PS2: all of them can crash :-(
Bye
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Ibrowse is without question the best choice. Its an awsome browser. I use it every day and like it even over my Mac browser. I'd like to see more modern stuff added to it , since he has got a decent ammount of cash I think we will.
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I am a regsitered user of both IB an V. V is far too unstable and its javascript is very lacking. I also use the Aweb 3.4APL version and I find it is the quickest of all the browsers in rendering web pages and downloading archives etc BUT its javascript is not as good as IB. I don't bother with V anymore- haven't for 2 years because of its instability. You can get SSL with Aweb to work but I think only if you have Miami(SSL). Definately Ibrowse is the most compatible and "modern" amiga browser you can buy. i can get into all of the banking sites, yahoo groups and email without ANY problem. Well worth the money
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Im also a regged user of both and i even have the VoyagerPPC version on my Pegasos yet i dont use it as IB2.3 is MUCH better and not to say stable! im sorry to say this but Voyager stinks and i regret ever buying the original 68k version.
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I have not used Voyager or Aweb. I bought IBrowse
back at version 1.1 then upgraded to ver. 2.3.
I had been using MS Explorer mostly for the
last 2 or 3 years. I have finally gotten tired
of my system being hacked all the time with
MS Explorer and have gown back to IBrowse.
I find that on my Amiga w/GFX card and
accellerator that IBrowse is exceptable.
I would recomend IB.
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Voyager is a good browser but it seems unstable and crashes a lot so if i were you iwould go for ibrowse.
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Dont forget IBrowse has no SSL support,
(Miami... MaiamiDx is no longer available
and is required for SSL)
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IBrowse 2.3 can do SSL without MiamiSSL. In fact, if you go to the IBrowse homepage (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net), it says at the very top "Download IBrowse 2.3 and AmiSSL v2"... ;-)
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Hi xeron,
I did not know that IBrowse would work with other SSL
modules, appologies to all...
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I've used Voyager and Aweb, and compared to Windows web-browsers they are light years behind. I'm using Voyager as my main Amiga browser right now, and I've noticed that it crashes a lot if you use it with AGA. Can't use it with my A1200D, as it would crash very soon.
On my A4000DT with Voodoo 3 RTG, it runs fine.
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As a professional web developer I can say that Voyager supports more of the badly designed html than IBrowse does. However the stability factor and the amazing javascript support in IBrowse (JavaScript v1.4 without CSS), I would have to say IBrowse any day of the week. Although, if you use MorphOS or plan to use MorphOS, I would sincerely think about going with Voyager.
Now, whichever you go with, make sure you grab a copy of AWeb APL. I've found AWeb to be the most html4.01 complaint out of the other two. There are a few things AWeb has problems with (like xhtml doctype identifiers or the background="" table cell tag) but it's only cosmetic.
Another thing, Voyager has some of their CSS engine written, just not tied to the rendering engine just yet. I'm sure when MorphOS is updated along side Voyager, there will be support in there for CSS. I don't know when any of the browsers are planning on supporting DIV or SPAN tags. It seems the DIV and SPAN tags are the most troublesome tags out of the html4.01 secification. Even though they were introduced in html4, there are already some attributes of those tags that are depricated as of html4.01 with reference to CSS1 type style tags.
:pint:
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Hey doesn't the Tao Intent engine incorporate a web browser with all the standards?
Why don't Amiga Inc hurry up and get Amiga Anywhere, which incorporates the Tao engine, running on OS4.
Tao Intent has a Web Browser, which according to them supports most standards, as well Javascript and java support!!!!
OS4 could inherit all that. Or do they have a cunning plan? :-)
I guess this what they were stuck in litigation with the Morphos group about. Promised they'd port Tao.
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I've got all three Browsers on my Peg + MOS system.
My main browser is IBrowse which works fairly well for everything (including my online banking thanks to AmiSSL) Last time I checked, it was also stable on 68k machines. :)
However, I've noticed that IBrowse tends to hog CPU cycles after I log into Yahoo mail.
Voyager is my alternative browser. The MOS version seems to be a lot more stable then the 68k version. (YMMV). I use it mostly to log into YahooMail, but there is constant "Javascript error" outputs and it's not 100% fully compatible with Yahoo Mail.
Oh, Flash support in Voyager works okay, at least if you are trying to view FLASH animations that is compatible with it. I've never managed to hear any sound from any of the FLASH animations that I've seen with Voyager. Unless seeing that "badger badger badger" flash animation without sound is your thing, it's not quite that much of an advantage. ;) I don't know if you can play any FLASH games with it either. Anyone tried it?
As such, I would recommend to look into IBrowse. And if you want to try Voyager, then definatly download the trial version before you buy. Voyager tends to be picky.
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Hi,
I use Voyager on MorphOS and it crashes a lot. Everything locks up and
only a reboot will get me back. The weird thing is that it does not
bother me at all. I reboot and get back to were I was.
Coder
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I would choose IBrowse. I own both browsers and prefer IBrowse
The pro's of IBrowse:
Faster than Voyager.
More stable (Voyager crashes periodically)
Decent, (albiet slow) 3rd Party support for SSL.
Con's:
No Flash.
limited (compared to MS Explorer, Opera, etc...)
Good luck...
Matt
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Yea like-wise with me...
i use ibrowse, but i have voyage and aweb just to check my webpages...(nothing else, too unstable,... for my system)
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since Voyager is already part of MOS there's only one question left for me: Do I need Ibrowse or not? :-D
Oh... yes an answer... if i had to choose (i don't have since I own both already) I would go for IBrowse. IMHO it's the most advanced Amiga Browser atm.
regards,
tokai
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I just bought IBrowse. I like it the most of the two. I have Aweb from the OS 3.9 CD installed as well.
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I would go for IBrowse 2.3 any time. It's *much* faster, very stable, much better support for javascript amongst other things. It is *the* browser for AOS in my opinion.
Try to load Amigaworld as one example and try to scroll it. It will be *slooooowwwww* while IBrowse scrollt it smoothly like it shall. So does AWeb but IBrowse beats both of them in every way. It is worth the money I can tell you.
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what would be GREAT was if there was some sort of "webpage" that had
all of these MCC classes for download. I downloaded IB 2.3 demo
Voyager for MOS is "ok" to say the least. When I first read you'alls
posts, I was saying "what? IB better then Voyager?!?!" are these guys
on CRACK? Well, I found out I was running (dont laugh) version 1.1.
yes, yes..1.1... I go to install it and it asks where newstring.mcc is
located...well I do not have it. Anyone have a URL to where I can get
it since blobrana(?) page has plenty of broken links.
Thanks
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Well... ..guess what? Go for IB2.3 :-)
OT: The whole mcc circus is getting out of hand. I tried to get SimpleMail running and couldn't because the required mcc was nowhere to be found (100% of the recommended links in doc was broke and too old versions on Aminet). Authors should distribute with all the required mcc's or not at all...
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For MUI libs, try the following web site.
http://www.zerohero.se/mui/download.php
I'd make it a clickable link if I knew how.
I prefer IBrowse myself.
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@TheMagicM:
according to my handmade install log the newstring classes come with the IBrowse2.3 archive.
regards,
tokai
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by TheMagicM on 2004/2/5 3:55:18
what would be GREAT was if there was some sort of "webpage" that had
all of these MCC classes for download. I downloaded IB 2.3 demo
Voyager for MOS is "ok" to say the least. When I first read you'alls
posts, I was saying "what? IB better then Voyager?!?!" are these guys
on CRACK? Well, I found out I was running (dont laugh) version 1.1.
yes, yes..1.1... I go to install it and it asks where newstring.mcc is
located...well I do not have it. Anyone have a URL to where I can get
it since blobrana(?) page has plenty of broken links.
anyway, you can't compare VoyMOS with IB2.3 DEMO.
The demo version, has only 2 connections opened so a mere speed comparision, isnt reliable.
Believe me, quite all the MOS users, uses IB2.3 for everyday browsing.
For the newstring.mcc, it is present in the IB2.3 archive (68K version)
Ciao