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They should include a black floppy with it to double the storage!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2270626/Microsofts-64GB-Surface-Pro-tablet-ship-TWO-THIRDS-storage-space-used-up.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Bloatware to the extreme. That's what you get if you buy the most expensive tablet computer in the world.
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23KB < 23MB < 23GB.
Not that it matters, anyway. Haven't you been listening to the tablet advocates? The future of computing is passive, bovine content consumption, streamed direct from The Cloud! You don't need storage for that!
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23KB < 23MB < 23GB.
Not that it matters, anyway. Haven't you been listening to the tablet advocates? The future of computing is passive, bovine content consumption, streamed direct from The Cloud! You don't need storage for that!
Actually, I use my iPad Mini for software dev (C/Objective-C and JavaScript), and also for making music... The DAW software available is brilliant now! :)
Back on topic... The amusing prefix mixup aside, the Surface is horribly under provided in the Storage department :-/
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Nonsense. You don't need that much data space. For me 8 Gb would last a life time!
Tell me. What happens when you use up all that data and something happens to it like it gets stolen or run over by a bus? What a waste. That's the problem with these mobile devices. People put all their information on them without backing it all up. Why can't you just use computers like a normal person?
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Nonsense. You don't need that much data space. For me 8 Gb would last a life time!
Some of us do back them up and don't have useful portable internet and like to tinker on the go. The 15" laptop is a bit bulky to carry everywhere (unlike the tf101 which is always nearby)
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But isn't the ipad almost impossible to transfer data? It's not like you can just plug in a storage device using usb. At least as far as i know. I don't use Apple stuff.
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But isn't the ipad almost impossible to transfer data? It's not like you can just plug in a storage device using usb. At least as far as i know. I don't use Apple stuff.
It's not simple by my parents standard (unless were talking about itunes media), but using it as a usb drive on a pc is easy for more technical folks. Also dropbox (resync when you get home) and like make it easy to transfer stuff. I prefer android devices as most have host usb slots allowing connection of everything from 3TB usb drives to 3g dongles.
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They should include a black floppy with it to double the storage!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2270626/Microsofts-64GB-Surface-Pro-tablet-ship-TWO-THIRDS-storage-space-used-up.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Bloatware to the extreme. That's what you get if you buy the most expensive tablet computer in the world.
As pointed out a slight error to the millionth degree there. 26 Thousand floppies if you're interested.
But the article may as well have said that for all the possible truths in it. There are only a few technology writers I pay attention to in the media. None of them mainstream.
As to the device some of the follow-up replies are close to the mark. You don't buy a device like that to store your media files on. Its a consuming/presentation device. You stream to it. As to the cloud streaming Full Hi Def content isn't really a viable option for most WiFi connections out in the wild. In the home yes. 3G and 4G Hi Def streaming is a joke as well.
The challenge for the Pro will be a result of its perceived benefit. Being x86 people will want to run their normal desktop software on it which do suffer from bloat.
But 23 GB is heaps of space for download Apps which are usually below the 50Mb mark in size.
When it all comes to it I'm sure there will be USB3 docks that offer 400GB/Sec throughput to storage, network and video. The trend now for docking stations.
And the Windoz x86 software base is moderately sized.. (;
Believe it or not you can actually plug in a $20 16GB USB3 stick into it and a folder of content opens before your eyes. Simple.
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Nonsense. You don't need that much data space. For me 8 Gb would last a life time!
Tell me. What happens when you use up all that data and something happens to it like it gets stolen or run over by a bus? What a waste. That's the problem with these mobile devices. People put all their information on them without backing it all up. Why can't you just use computers like a normal person?
iOS devices automatically backup to the Apple iTunes cloud server (or your computer if you don't trust Apple). If I were to lose my iPhone or iPad today, I could go into an apple store get a new one, type in my Apple ID (or plug into my laptop), and the device will be restored to the same state it was in at 1am this morning. In fact I've use this feature several times when upgrading my iPhone :)
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iOS devices automatically backup to the Apple iTunes cloud server
I hope you make your own backups too considering how many of these cloud companies (apple and dropbox included) have lost their users data. They give very little in the way of guarantees, even to their paid customers.
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I hope you make your own backups too considering how many of these cloud companies (apple and dropbox included) have lost their users data. They give very little in the way of guarantees, even to their paid customers.
Yeah, I use the Apple cloud for my automatic daily backup and my own laptop for a weekly backup.
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Nonsense. You don't need that much data space. For me 8 Gb would last a life time!
Tell me. What happens when you use up all that data and something happens to it like it gets stolen or run over by a bus? What a waste. That's the problem with these mobile devices. People put all their information on them without backing it all up. Why can't you just use computers like a normal person?
The files are backed up on the cloud (internet storage) and if my tablet gets run over by a bus, I can buy a new one and import my files wirelessly. The Kindle has something like 6 or 8 Gigabytes and most of those gigabytes are free but you pay if you go over so it is important to keep track and delete non-essential things.
I have almost 4 gigabytes of music. I bought a Kindle because I ran out of book space at home as I have sixty feet of books.
I have writings on different subjects so that takes up megabytes.
A tablet is your personal computer in some sense. I backed up the essential files of our computer on a 64 GB flash drive and that wasn't enough room but it was enough for family photos. Backing up family memories on a 64 gigabyte flash drive gave me peace of mind because you can't replace your pictures if they are lost or damaged. If your hard drive goes down, you lose everything so cloud storage is helpful and hard copies are helpful as you should always, always, always learn to back up your important files.
Family videos take up a lot of room.
I went on vacation and I couldn't access my files stored on the cloud when the internet was periodically out. A tablet is good for vacation because you can access free internet and browse Amiga dot org while you are away from home unless you want to be alone.
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My 64 GB iPad is full to the brim - it doesn't take long. My music collection alone is about 30 GB. I will likely buy the 128 GB version of the iPad in due time, as this old iPad 2 is in need of a refresh anyways.
That being said, the reactionary press about the Surface Pro is a bit silly. You *can* ditch the recovery partition to free up a lot of space, but that doesn't change the fact it is running full (non RT) Windows 8, which takes up a lot of space. The 64 GB versions of the Surface Pro shouldn't even exist, IMO. Even the 128 GB versions would be far too small for me for a tablet running a full fledged OS.
But hey, at least with these Surface Pro devices, you have expansion options. They have USB ports and memory card slots that will take cheap storage options, whether it be a 64 GB SD card, a 256 GB USB Flash drive, or something like a plain old USB external hard disk.
You don't have that option at all with the Apple products. A lot of people have bought 16 GB iPad models, only to find out that a few major game titles can fill that up quite rapidly, leaving you with no expansion options.
For example, one of my favorite iPad timesinks is Need for Speed: Most Wanted - which takes up near 2 GB of space on the iPad.
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"Windows 8 alone takes up 20GB of space, but the OS claims even more of the Surface's solid-state hard drive for a 'recovery partition' to back up users' data right there on their tablets."
Wait what??
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Hoping this post was an Onion-style joke, though the article linked is quite a load.
My experience: purchased a Dell Windows 7 tablet from them for $199 the week before Christmas, 2GB of RAM and a 32GB SSD. Upgraded it to Windows 8 for $15, installed Office 2010, VMware management tools and the "free" Adobe CS2 that came out a couple weeks ago, still have 7GB free and I didn't even blow away the restore partition yet. I've made it my only desktop computer at work by adding a $40 dock from eBay and a 20" LCD. Today, I pulled it off of the dock and I'm currently sitting at a bar typing this message on it.
I don't know what I'd do with an additional 32GB of storage on it, as it's currently doing everything I need, though there is a nice SD card slot if I need a bunch of static data along with me.
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I'm a fan of cloud storage for data. Obviously for video or other large, high-speed data it's not workable though.
I use Google Drive a lot (I paid for extra storage) because I figure the odds of me losing data locally is way higher than Google losing it.
Also since I have multiple computers syncing to the account, I have it in multiple local locations without having to manually do back ups.
The other benefit is that all my data is available on any computer I'm using. I can switch from a notebook to a home computer to my office and it's all just there and up to date.
A lot of people think cloud storage is just bad, but if used wisely it can be a huge workflow improvement.
That tablet is pretty ridiculously under spec'ed for that price though, cloud storage or not.
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Seagate GoFlex Satellite. 500GB storage wirelessly accessible from Web, iOS, Android. And that 500GB is if you don't upgrade the drive in it (info available if you search Google). No need to pay the Apple fee for RAM to inflate their coffers more than they're already inflated. Look at the price difference between the models. How many 32GB SD cards can you get for what they charge to bump from 32 to 64G? 100 bucks extra charge to take a 16GB mini to 32 (and you know the only difference is the RAM the boards are all made the same)!!!!! 32GB class 10 SD can be had for 30 bucks.
Disgusting what people think they need to pay tablet manufacturers for.
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Nonsense. You don't need that much data space. For me 8 Gb would last a life time!
Tell me. What happens when you use up all that data and something happens to it like it gets stolen or run over by a bus? What a waste. That's the problem with these mobile devices. People put all their information on them without backing it all up. Why can't you just use computers like a normal person?
People have tens of gigabytes of music they want to take with them. Indeed the tablet is acting as a backup device for this purpose as well, instead of all the data being beholden to a single computer.
Other people want to watch TV shows, movies, etc, on the move. I see this frequently when commuting. These files are not small. And if purchased online, they're re-downloadable if you do lose them.
Then there are large apps (especially games).
8GB on a tablet would leave you gasping for storage before you had even started.
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MS is thinking about doing a Surface Pro Mini with only 2KB of free space to install your programs.
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Those 8 gigs left on a 32 gig Window8 tablet are soon gone, just think of all the updates.
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Those 8 gigs left on a 32 gig Window8 tablet are soon gone, just think of all the updates.
We have a new computer with Windows 8 and it is being forced upon everyone who gets a new computer. They took away the Start button. Now there are two screens to navigate which are the Tiles screen and the Desktop. It takes longer to do anything because I'm always searching through a larger list of nonsense icons and that makes it sort of like noise. There is too much going on which makes me lose my train of thought because it is like visual noise. Don't get me wrong. I started to like it and some things were made easier and there is a free app that adds the start button but it is too much visual noise for me and Windows will only get worse from here.
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Funny I think the surface RT is really cool & I've got an iPad and iPod touch. I must be mad though 'cos a lot of the tech media say it's crap and they are always so cognisant of strategy and technology change.
IMO I can see more issues with the intel version cos everyone will expect it to be a tablet that can run all their x86 apps but why would you want too? You think you do but you really don't. That's not what a tablet is about. Editing music on a DAW on a bus? Don't think so.
hmmm
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Funny I think the surface RT is really cool & I've got an iPad and iPod touch. I must be mad though 'cos a lot of the tech media say it's crap and they are always so cognisant of strategy and technology change.
IMO I can see more issues with the intel version cos everyone will expect it to be a tablet that can run all their x86 apps but why would you want too? You think you do but you really don't. That's not what a tablet is about. Editing music on a DAW on a bus? Don't think so.
hmmm
I think a lot of the problem is how MS didn't commit to a tablet OS. (or a desktop OS for that matter)
When people have to resort to desktop mode they see a familiar Windows screen. That makes most average users wonder why their good old apps don't work.
Because they don't have Apple's steadfast "do it great or nothing" attitude, MS will eventually give in and have hybrids that aren't good desktops and aren't good tablets either.
I expect them to get worse before they get better.
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...Because they don't have Apple's steadfast "do it great or nothing" attitude, ...
Its all relative to your opinion of what great is, telling consumers that's the way it is doesn't make it real. Unless you are a blind follower. There are lots of holes and stuff that doesn't "join" up or isn't so great, but there are lots more good things. Learning listening and evolving is the important thing for tech companies not telling them that their product is perfect day 1 so it must be you. We must expect support and change.
Win8 and the start screen on touch is great. On a conventional PC the start screen and the browser running on it are not so great. But there are some simple things that can be done to make it less frustrating. Rather than reverting to the conventional browser on the desktop. I am confident these things will be fixed and made better.
Everybody thought WB1.2 was great, but WB 1.3 was better.
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You think you do but you really don't. That's not what a tablet is about. Editing music on a DAW on a bus? Don't think so.
hmmm
Check out Auria on the App Store!! It is super awesome ;)
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Check out Auria on the App Store!! It is super awesome ;)
Looks Superb and great value, But I can't really plug my electric guitar into my iPad while i'm on the bus. I'm being pedantic but you get my point. I'm not about to throw my Sonar X1 and Dimension pro away and as a format to try ideas it's difficult to map.
Imagine being able to play instruments by humming riff lines into the ipad, that would be cool and a way to try ideas.
Still it'd be cool if could plug my USB Fasttrack pro into the ipad.
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Looks Superb and great value, But I can't really plug my electric guitar into my iPad while i'm on the bus. I'm being pedantic but you get my point. I'm not about to throw my Sonar X1 and Dimension pro away and as a format to try ideas it's difficult to map.
Oh, I see... I'm keyboards, so can use the iPad directly... But sill, it is nice to be able to mix and edit some music on the bus :)
Imagine being able to play instruments by humming riff lines into the ipad, that would be cool and a way to try ideas.
You'll want the "Voice Band" app :)
Still it'd be cool if could plug my USB Fasttrack pro into the ipad.
Use the camera connection kit, that's how I use my USB audio interface and keyboards on my iPad... :)
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Its all relative to your opinion of what great is, telling consumers that's the way it is doesn't make it real. Unless you are a blind follower. There are lots of holes and stuff that doesn't "join" up or isn't so great, but there are lots more good things. Learning listening and evolving is the important thing for tech companies not telling them that their product is perfect day 1 so it must be you. We must expect support and change.
I actually don't own a single Apple product, but they have a reputation for doing what they think is best regardless of backlash and I can respect that with caveats.
There's a fine line between being a platform dictator and design by committee.
I think MS could move quite a bit closer to the platform dictator side and make products that at least seem like a cohesive, purposely built unit. As it stands most of their products don't seem complete or focused, just good enough not to completely fail.
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Actually, I use my iPad Mini for software dev (C/Objective-C and JavaScript), and also for making music... The DAW software available is brilliant now! :)
Which DAW are you using on the mini? I might be coming into possession of one.
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Check out Auria on the App Store!! It is super awesome
Ignore me - should've read whole thread before posting.
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Nonsense. You don't need that much data space. For me 8 Gb would last a life time!
I have more music than that on my phone. Then comes videos, comics, games, books...
Tell me. What happens when you use up all that data and something happens to it like it gets stolen or run over by a bus? What a waste. That's the problem with these mobile devices. People put all their information on them without backing it all up.
Well, *I* don't put it there without backing it up, so *I* would just copy my data back from my home server onto a fresh SD-card and pop it in my replacement phone or tablet.
Why can't you just use computers like a normal person?
They *are* computers. Computers well over a thousand times more powerful than the first ones I grew up with.
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There's a fine line between being a platform dictator and design by committee.
No, they're actually polar opposites.
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No, they're actually polar opposites.
That's true, but why do companies always seem to end up far to one side of it?
Seems like a tricky balance to me.
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OK i stand corrected. Maybe it is possible to backup your data. I don't use ios or any smartphone for anything so i really don't know. I am just watching how my friends use them. Like my girlfriend losing her iphone with all her photos on it. Everyone i know whinges about it.
@Bloodline or anyone else. Is there a program like Auria available for Windows? I would love to use something like this. I play the Bass guitar and wanted to record stuff onto my laptop so i tried out Guitar Pro 5 and i think it is crap. It is clumsy and old and to be honest i can't really be bothered learning how to use it. Is there something more modern i can use to record my bass on and mix it too?
Auria looks really good. Why didn't they port it to Windows?
Edit: A quick look on Google shows lots of potential software. Can anyone recommend one?
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Actually, I use my iPad Mini for software dev (C/Objective-C and JavaScript), and also for making music... The DAW software available is brilliant now! :)
Back on topic... The amusing prefix mixup aside, the Surface is horribly under provided in the Storage department :-/
Im still bloody waiting for fruity loops on android for my nexus . Its looking fooking awesome
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iOS version of Fruityloops is just great, highly recommended.
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the progress on the android version is looking pretty impressive. I got an iphone but thats too small for a DAW. Bought a nexus 7 as ipad mini just too much. Much prefer iOS to android, but the nexus is good kit. How much fruity on ios, i own sig edition for pc
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Lol! I'm am downloading FL studio right now. If i like it i will buy it.
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Use the camera connection kit, that's how I use my USB audio interface and keyboards on my iPad... :)
My CCK doesn't work any more. I bought a generic one with the iPad (Import, no GST/VAT)but it became unsupported after my first IOS upgrade. I never got around to buying an Apple one. Not worth it now as the iPad will probably fall out of IOS support within in the next 12 months.
Sorry back on topic now. Basically I understand the reasons for a Windows RT Arm tablet but I find it hard to understand the same of an X86 version because of the limitations of it in tablet form and opposite the expectations people will have of it. There are probably merits in pursuing multiple lines of OS in regard to target device rather than OS feature set. Windows mobile, Windows tablet, Windows Pro Touch, Windows Pro. Optimised for the UX. Rather than the current Hybrid UX which IMO has a compromise around the start screen for conventional mouse users.
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That's true, but why do companies always seem to end up far to one side of it?
Seems like a tricky balance to me.
Sinofsky might have been too far to the "right". And maybe the "left" at MS didn't like that. Thus his leaving. I don't think it's hard to see where Bulmer stands, but he's so far removed and "above" that it has little technical impact. We often talk of corporations as single entities but the reality is far from it. As we are seeing more of at Apple at the moment. I think Gates and Jobs were simular in that they cared about the UX and had the final say. More so Jobs. I think its important to have that kind of executive roll. Doesn't need to be head of the company but it needs to be a Jobs like autonomy. I think.
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OK i stand corrected. Maybe it is possible to backup your data. I don't use ios or any smartphone for anything so i really don't know. I am just watching how my friends use them. Like my girlfriend losing her iphone with all her photos on it. Everyone i know whinges about it.
Unless she turned it off, her photos will still be in her iCloud photo stream, and also on her laptop (if she has a mac it backs up automatically when she syncs her music)
@Bloodline or anyone else. Is there a program like Auria available for Windows? I would love to use something like this. I play the Bass guitar and wanted to record stuff onto my laptop so i tried out Guitar Pro 5 and i think it is crap. It is clumsy and old and to be honest i can't really be bothered learning how to use it. Is there something more modern i can use to record my bass on and mix it too?
Hmmm, for windows I would probably use Adobe Audition (or Cool Edit as it was known when I used to use Windows),
Auria looks really good. Why didn't they port it to Windows?
Because it would have to cost three times as much and it would be pirated within hours of release... Sad but true.
Edit: A quick look on Google shows lots of potential software. Can anyone recommend one?
Adobe Audition is what I would use on Windows... But if you have access to a Mac then Logic Pro is your baby! ;)
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OK i tried FL Studio and i looks good. Maybe a little too complicated. I don't need all those features to make music. If i bought FL Studio i would end up only using maybe 2% of its features. All i really want is something simple i can use to record my bass playing on and maybe use my pc as a replacement amp. Some simple features like metronomes, basic drums and maybe some basic tools to manipulate the bass sound and i'm happy.
Why do people think they need all those features to make music? Why? K.I.S.S.!
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Unless she turned it off, her photos will still be in her iCloud photo stream, and also on her laptop (if she has a mac it backs up automatically when she syncs her music)
Nah, she's not bright enough to think like that ;)
Hmmm, for windows I would probably use Adobe Audition (or Cool Edit as it was known when I used to use Windows),
Thanks. I'll take a look.
Hey, when is your band bringing out some new music?
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OK i tried FL Studio and i looks good. Maybe a little too complicated. I don't need all those features to make music. If i bought FL Studio i would end up only using maybe 2% of its features. All i really want is something simple i can use to record my bass playing on and maybe use my pc as a replacement amp. Some simple features like metronomes, basic drums and maybe some basic tools to manipulate the bass sound and i'm happy.
Why do people think they need all those features to make music? Why? K.I.S.S.!
IF we are talking the pc and you just want simple free sound recording prog, I would recommend audacity
Also a DAW can be as simple or as complicated as you need it. Give Fruity some time have a play around, look at the millions of online videos.
Its worth the effort, once you got it it, its pretty awesomee