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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: blakespot on January 13, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
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I have an A2000 and an A1200 Blizzard '060 accelerator I want to sell. Obviously I want few hassles and a decent sell price on the units. eBay w/ PayPal's holding funds for a period of time is a big hassle.
Do things go pretty well on AmiBay? Or is it definitely a lesser $$ situation there?
Don't mean to sound $$ hungry, but I am trying to sell for $$, of course.
Thanks.
bp
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from my experience:
Selling- EBay gets higher $ all the time (people just get caught up in the bidding war thing)
Buying- AmiBay gets better deal majority of time
btw, I much prefer buying & selling on AmiBay as it's just straight forward with no hidden fees & so far I have never had a problem after many transactions
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@ blakespot
What the devil type of account do you have with Paypal? I have never had them hold any funds. (unless someone tries to pay via echeck - which I don't allow these days).
Anyway - usually you are better off selling through ebay.
For some reason I kept falling the cracks at amibay, so I just gave up on them.
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Put in on Amibay, you set a fixed price and don't pay any fees, you can even ask the buyer to pay the PayPal fee.
Sure you might make a bit more on eBay but after all the fees probably less and more hassle than Amibay :)
I've sold a lot of stuff there and no real problems to report.
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There's a marketplace forum here at Amiga.org...
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There's a marketplace forum here at Amiga.org...
Amibay.com charge some amount for selling?
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Amibay.com charge some amount for selling?
Don't think so. Use Amibay a lot, it's get's an unfair rap. It's a great site and the mods are great.
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I avoid the ebay paypal crime syndicate.
If you want to do business with me then you must accept payment via a reputable process such as:
AmazonPay
USD $ (sometimes called "cash" or "greenbacks")
Check (from a US Bank)
None of the above charges you any fees.
I will never use PayPal criminals again.
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Put in on Amibay, you set a fixed price and don't pay any fees, you can even ask the buyer to pay the PayPal fee.
There are no paypal fees if you pay with Amazon.
AFAIK Amazon only works in USA but the OP is a USAling so I figure I should mention it :)
I have gone crazy buying stuff online with my AmazonPay. All the money I send to the poor hard working ppl makes it into their bank account. Its like magic. You press a button and bzzzap!
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STAY AWAY FROM AMIBAY. Its run by a bunch of old fanboys that have a fascist outlook on your privacy and what you can and cant do with your hardware or software you sell or buy there.
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Put in on Amibay, you set a fixed price and don't pay any fees, you can even ask the buyer to pay the PayPal fee.
Sure you might make a bit more on eBay but after all the fees probably less and more hassle than Amibay :)
I've sold a lot of stuff there and no real problems to report.
Just realize if the buyer sends the money as a gift you lose out on buyer/seller protection. Alot of people on amibay abuse this to avoid a paltry 3-4% fee which i think is fair. eventually they will ruin it for all of us and the gift option will disappear.
i agree with others anywhere BUT amibay. the most ridiculous rules i have ever seen and its no safer than anywhere else.
Ebay fees are terrible but i dont think its a hassle.
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Just realize if the buyer sends the money as a gift you lose out on buyer/seller protection. Alot of people on amibay abuse this to avoid a paltry 3-4% fee which i think is fair. eventually they will ruin it for all of us and the gift option will disappear.
i agree with others anywhere BUT amibay. the most ridiculous rules i have ever seen and its no safer than anywhere else.
Ebay fees are terrible but i dont think its a hassle.
but why on earth would anyone send money as a gift on AmiBay (or any where else for that matter unless your sending money home to your mom ??? I have never had an issue with buying Amiga stuff on AmiBay and I'm so glad we amigans have an alternative to E(vil)Bay.
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I like AmiBay, and it's always nice to keep it in the community, but your luck will depend largely on what kind of money you want versus how much the folks there value it. I've had excellent luck getting modest prices, and I've seen hard-to-find items go for much more, but I've never tried to sell any such stuff myself (on account of not having any!) Still, I'd say it's worth a shot, especially with eBay apparently going out of its way to alienate independent sellers these days...
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STAY AWAY FROM AMIBAY. Its run by a bunch of old fanboys that have a fascist outlook on your privacy and what you can and cant do with your hardware or software you sell or buy there.
Do you mean they can check your PM and watch all the messages there? That would indeed be a privacy breach.
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I like Amibay for selling your items.
But if you want to buy something, its like lottery, when you need something badly, you cant find it and where it suddenly appears, someone else ask for it first, no bidding.
Also i cant imagine to buy something and get nothing, from someone who is selling over amibay for the first time, how you get your money back?
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I like Amibay for selling your items.
But if you want to buy something, its like lottery, when you need something badly, you cant find it and where it suddenly appears, someone else ask for it first, no bidding.
Also i cant imagine to buy something and get nothing, from someone who is selling over amibay for the first time, how you get your money back?
If you are buying through any forum unless you trust that person 100% make sure you pay with the PayPal 'goods' option this will give you PayPal protection if the seller turns out to be a fraud.
If the seller is insistent on you using an unsecured payment method such as bank transfer of the 'PayPal 'gift' option you can always walk away or in the latter you can offer to pay the PayPal fee's if they accept your 'goods' payment or raise you a proper invoice, if the seller is genuine I'm sure they would accommodate :)
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If you are buying through any forum unless you trust that person 100% make sure you pay with the PayPal 'goods' option this will give you PayPal protection if the seller turns out to be a fraud.
If the seller is insistent on you using an unsecured payment method such as bank transfer of the 'PayPal 'gift' option you can always walk away or in the latter you can offer to pay the PayPal fee's if they accept your 'goods' payment or raise you a proper invoice, if the seller is genuine I'm sure they would accommodate :)
Thanks for info steve, well then that part is covered.
But my other concern still stays, even if i can spend more money then others on something, it still means nothing and sometimes you get it by pure luck.
I wish there would be some kind of [Auction] option on amibay.
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Do you mean they can check your PM and watch all the messages there? That would indeed be a privacy breach.
Not only Can they check your PM they DO read them. Not only this, but they will internet stalk you if they can as well. I started getting back into classic stuff and bough a nice a1200 ntsc unit. I needed an accelerator so turned to amibay. I bought a matrix 030 w/32mb and liked it but I didnt know it only could have 32mb max. So like 2 weeks later I find a nice Apollo card and sell the Matrix I got on Amibay to a friend, who then sold it on ebay. The mods at amibay did an "investigation" which basically was reading PMs, internet stalking me, and amazing privacy invasion. When I spoke up about it very vocally to the mods they LIFE BANNED ME. Thats right LIFE. First offence no warning nothing. I think it was more because I called them out on privacy invasion and creating false accusations.
The arrogance and private club mentality combined with fascist moderation and control, with "Big Brother" overtones is enough to make anyone crazy. Sure, you will hear guys here so "amibay is wonderful and fun and its about community" yeah sure. Their idea of "community" is more like "communism" Everything is rosy until you do anything the masters dont agree with then you will see. (like for instance pricing your hardware for sale what YOU think its worth - they want you to post it for the price THEY think you should) you see? Just like good ole times with Chairman Mao.
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Another thing I forgot to mention why Ebay is WAAAY better than Amibay is that you have a lot of protections in the transaction. There is virtually zero on amibay.
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I've never heard of anyone reading private messages on Amibay, I think you dreamed that one up.
You are free to set whatever price you like and rules forbid any comment on the price so I don't understand how you can think the moderation team want to control the price, they do not.
Pretty much everything you write about Amibay is BS, any tread that has the mention of Amibay you turn into this personal rant of yours.
You broke the rules, you got banned, get over it.
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I avoid the ebay paypal crime syndicate.
If you want to do business with me then you must accept payment via a reputable process such as:
AmazonPay
USD $ (sometimes called "cash" or "greenbacks")
Check (from a US Bank)
None of the above charges you any fees.
I will never use PayPal criminals again.
+1 :biglaugh:
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I dont have a problem with either amibay or paypal. But, last time I tried selling something on ebay it refused to list the item 'world-wide'. This had something to do with the payment options I was providing, but even after repeatedly changing them and reading the help pages, I couldnt get it done and stuck with amibay instead.
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This Amibay bashing is getting old. It's been said before Amibay is not for everyone. It's an ebay alternative site established with the goal of trying to keep prices more reasonable. The rules may seem like a nuisance at times but they do have a purpose.
The site has a warning about Paypal in Gift payments if you take the time to read it. If you don't want the risk then just offer to pay the Paypal fees or ignore Paypal in Gift ONLY offers.
Btw, the Amibay staff did not have to read magnetic's PM's to trace the resold item to ebay. The ebay sale was directly linked to original Amibay thread! ...and he really set himself up for a scalping ban with the hard to believe story about flipping the item to a friend who than flipped it for a quick $30 profit on ebay. He could have resold it on Amibay for his purchase cost and avoided the ban. :crazy:
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Amibay is fine, if you get caught breaking the rules of the website then bummer.
I'd man up and admit it, actually you will probably find if you are straight up with the mods there they may have taken a different tact.
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i've only had good experiences with amibay. the nice thing about it is that you're getting your hardware from actual amigans rather than someone who found something they 'think' works in a garage when their grandparent died. that said, i was able to find my first SAM machine on ebay, and that went well enough.
the mods on amibay have always been very helpful in my experience.
-- eliyahu
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I have never been burned buying amiga gear from an ebay seller with 100% feedback. I have been had a few times by "amigans" however, selling items through the forums that were either partially, or (most recently), fully defective. One thing to consider, sometimes folks who have lost their ebay account look for alternative venues for sales.
My big mistake: buying things for computers that weren't currently running (future projects, etc) and not taking time to adequately test them immediately after arrival - not always easy to find time when life is busy. I still use AmiBay and have had some excellent experiences there. These days I've also restricted purchasing to items I can immediately test after arrival, and before leaving feedback.
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Speedgeek
You can be "sick" of amibay bashing all you want. But generally in the amiga community any time there are multiple complaints you can bet they have weight.
1. There was no "link" to any amibay anything they internet stalked my friend and myself in their "investigation" and admitted it in the pms (which i cannot access) I wish i could post them here for the truth to be told.
2. I wasnt "scalping" how stupid. I explained in my post here if you read it, that it didnt suit my needs and resold it to a friend who in turn sold it on ebay. ( I dont sell on ebay) How many of you guys have done this before? But because I didnt sell it BACK on amibay like the Masters demand I get banned. First offence, long time amigan, they dont give a **** life ban. If you arent in their little club you have no chance. And they dont like being called out on their shady behavior of internet stalking and pm reading. Typical geeks, give them a little tiny bit of power they go crazy. How sad
I will continue to expose the behavoir of those who run this "amiga" site that is totally agains the amiga spirit.
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I will never use PayPal criminals again.
Personally, Elon Musk is a hero of mine.
And as far as Ebay goes, I'm buying an '040 A4000 next week for $500 with shipping.
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regular price id say.
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regular price id say.
Absolutely, it was my offer.
I didn't want to take advantage of the seller or be taken advantage of myself.
Felt like a fair transaction.
Battery has been removed.
Its got a 3640.
I may need to replace Buster.
But since the PCI backplane is going to cost me another <$400, eh, no big deal.
I've already got a Voodoo3 card and a 100mips NIC, and an SCSI wide 2 controller, I just need a sound card.
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Oh and I forgot to mention that I was Life Banned from EAB (First infraction never had one problem) for telling my story about amibay on a thread that was OT. This goes to show you the "power" these guys have. Good ole Chairman Mao would be proud! Banned from 2 sites for reselling an 1200 cpu that I upgraded to a better one.. wow what a bad guy. what a joke..
They should change the name from "Amibay" to "AMI HOARDERS" all the hoarders can sell their nice rare amiga parts to eachother to hoard, never use in a productive way, just hoard so they can say they have x, y, z amiga stuff. LAME
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Not only Can they check your PM they DO read them. Not only this, but they will internet stalk you if they can as well. I started getting back into classic stuff and bough a nice a1200 ntsc unit. I needed an accelerator so turned to amibay. I bought a matrix 030 w/32mb and liked it but I didnt know it only could have 32mb max. So like 2 weeks later I find a nice Apollo card and sell the Matrix I got on Amibay to a friend, who then sold it on ebay. The mods at amibay did an "investigation" which basically was reading PMs, internet stalking me, and amazing privacy invasion. When I spoke up about it very vocally to the mods they LIFE BANNED ME. Thats right LIFE. First offence no warning nothing. I think it was more because I called them out on privacy invasion and creating false accusations.
Could you please explain to us why they would want to read your PMs?
What was in the PMs that made them ban you?
The PM part of your story isn't making any sense to me. I think you left out some details or something?
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For those wondering about magnetic's banning, there's a thread discussing it here (http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=11607) (AmiBay doesn't really do formal ban-announcement threads on a regular basis, but someone asked.) Of note is zetr0's statement that magnetic has the right to appeal, but never did. magnetic, on the other hand, has stated that he did but that it was "pointless." (http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=697763&postcount=114) I didn't care enough at the time to look into it further, but since it seems to keep coming up, I'll drop zetr0 a line and see if he wants to share any further information.
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magnetic has the right to appeal, but never did..
Thats a complete falsehood. Of course I did. They could care less. Life Ban with no possiblity of coming back for first offense (that wasnt even an offense) Boy, I'd have a lot more respect for them if they just said "we didnt like what he did, first offence or not, amigan forever or not, life ban who cares"
(well Fitzsteve who is a big Amibay guy did say that your banned get over it or some other insensitive statement.)
You see, they mentality of Amibay "officials" is that its their ball they make the rules and if you dont like it get your own ball. (You know like the jerk kid when you were little that had the ball - same thing)
The best part is being banned from EAB for telling the true story. This was after some hacker(s) took down Amibay site (probably for getting banned) and I said something like Karma is a bitch, then I got life banned from EAB. (Some of the mods are the same.) Ive been told by other amigans that EAB and Amibay is all UK guys AND THEY ARENT FOND OF AMERICANS. My story is true And I will KEEP TELLING IT so real amiga people know the TRUTH. I am too old and been in the amiga world as a dealer,user, and supporter for too long to take abuse from a bunch of self important geeks. Unlike them, I have a real life in the real world, and dont need to make up stories or lies to justify my actions. Go online and read about amibay and all the banning i'm not alone here on this.
AND YES ITS A KNOWN FACT THEY READ PRIVATE MESSAGES AND TAKE LIBERTIES INVADING YOUR PRIVACY ONLINE.
Like I said earlier, the sit seems all lovey dovey amiga friends, UNTIL you do something "THEY" consider a violation then your new Amiga pals turn into the Spanish Inquisition. I had a few succseful transactions before the A1200 acell (those parts I kept and didnt "scalp" or "resell" or whatever nonsene they claim) So i was a fan of Amibay until this happened. Kind of like a girl you date and are in love with for a month, until they show her true colors and turns out to be a pyscho.
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What did you say in a pm that directly got you banned?
What did you say in a pm that indrectly got you banned?
thanx
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Anyway Amibay/EAB different forum's, different websites. I've spoken to a couple of mods on both sites and they're great. Friendly, helpful and have plenty of good advice on Amiga hardware.
Plus all the good contacts on both sites for hardware is amazing. Some of the items I've purchased through Amibay I wouldn't have obtained elsewhere.
Some hardware projects too only seem to be on EAB or Amibay. I've stumbled across some good projects by reading forum posts on both.
I kind of miss Amiga.org not having as much amiga hardware news as it use to. I've been reading this forum before my join date of 2003 so have seen many changes.
I also use Ebay now and then for some items as I've become a regular with a couple of sellers on there, especially the UK/German ebay's.
airey36 is the man, fair prices unlike most Ebay auctions. Good shipping times and the item you purchase is always as stated.
Hardware shuttle is another great ebayer, good conversation about all things Amiga :-)
I'd wait until zetr0 (hopefully) replies in this forum,he's straight up and resonable person. I still amazed at the amount of Hardware knowledge that guy has. :-)
Man had to change this post around a bit, trying not to offend anyone :-)
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@magnetic
Most probably you traded the item. You bought it on low price (at Amibay) then the very same unit appeared and got sold in eBay at a much higher price. I am not aware regarding the exact details of your case, however, many *******s were life banned for this reason.
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@magnetic, et al
guys, this thread has gotten out of hand. i understand feelings can run high when someone is banned from a site or someone is attacking a site you enjoy, but everyone needs to cool it. please remember the following items from our posting guidelines:
Blatant personal attacks are not permitted.
Criticize ideas, not people. Excessive flaming will not be tolerated. Users who verbally assault the character or person of other posters on a regular basis will be banned. Name calling is best left to grade school. Moderator's judgment applies here. "You are wrong" is not a personal attack; "You are an idiot" is. "You do not have all of the facts" is not a personal attack; "you are obviously clueless" is. These are generalized examples, but you get the idea.
Posts of a libellous nature are not allowed.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, whether you think it right or wrong. Posting false information about an individual is not only bad form, but could become a serious problem, both for the poster, and for Amiga.org itself.
further discussion which violates either of these guidelines will result in posts being edited and/or infractions given. thank you for your understanding.
-- eliyahu
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I've had no issues with Amibay itself. I just dont trust all Amiga buyers anymore. Some are good, but there are scammers out there. Especially if you have a perfectly working motherboard with picture proof it works, then buyer says "oh it doesnt work" and files a Paypal claim. Good thing for me, I had $0 in Paypal and closed my acct. :-)
EDIT: On Amibay... I think the site is pretty good, rules are fine. I'd go there before I hit ebay.
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You see, they mentality of Amibay "officials" is that its their ball they make the rules and if you dont like it get your own ball. (You know like the jerk kid when you were little that had the ball - same thing)
That's how every web forum works. I mean, except for moobunny. And if you want to try to conduct trade on moobunny, well, Godspeed, sir.
Ive been told by other amigans that EAB and Amibay is all UK guys AND THEY ARENT FOND OF AMERICANS.
There's plenty of American members there, including Skydivingirl, who is quite respected and a moderator. I'm American; I list my location right there below my avatar. I have never once had anybody give me crap for it, and I've dealt with plenty of UK members both conversationally and in trade.
AND YES ITS A KNOWN FACT THEY READ PRIVATE MESSAGES AND TAKE LIBERTIES INVADING YOUR PRIVACY ONLINE.
If you're shocked that moderators on a forum would read your PMs on that forum pursuant to a disciplinary action regarding that forum's rules, I don't think you really get forums.
Anyway: I've heard from Zetr0, after asking if I could get the story to set the record straight here. Unsurprisingly, he can't discuss the full details of someone else's account history with the general public, but he does reiterate:
A. Magnetic claimed that he sold the item to a friend as a swap meet.
B. This friend then placed the item on eBay using the same images from the AmiBay listing.
C. He claims the friend he traded with knew nothing about AmiBay.
D. This all had taken place within three days of Magnetic receiving the item.
1. Magnetic was caught scalping a fellow member
2. We approached him with with our evidence*
3. We (as a team) felt a ban was required
4. He declined the opportunity to appeal
AmiBay, doesn't have any time limit imposed on appeals, if Magnetic wanted to he can appeal or apply for a new account if he wishes.
He was also informed of this at the time of our decision.
So it's basically his word against magnetic's. Based on observed behavior, I know where my vote is going.
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Butt and hurt spring to mind...
He was banned for a reason and that reason was basically leaching off the community and keeping the profits. He got found out and paid the price and rightfully so since I agree that is a pretty selfish act indeed. People may "HORDE" Amiga's but they don't "HORDE" money from them magnetic (name a retro computer forum which doesn't have people with large collections). AmiBay has rules and I may not agree with every one, they are there for a very good reason and that is to keep buyers and sellers safe from people like magnetic that like to take advantage (even if acting innocent). Credit where credit is due, it's doing a good job.
Anyway onto topic.
AmiBay is a good first port of call for anything retro computer related. eBay's fees these days ammount not far from 1/2 the item price so the choice is yours.
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I have an A2000 and an A1200 Blizzard '060 accelerator I want to sell. Obviously I want few hassles and a decent sell price on the units. eBay w/ PayPal's holding funds for a period of time is a big hassle.
Do things go pretty well on AmiBay? Or is it definitely a lesser $$ situation there?
Don't mean to sound $$ hungry, but I am trying to sell for $$, of course.
Thanks.
bp
Hi Blake,
Use both Amibay and Ebay. Amibay has been great for me, no issues and have sold and bought domestically and internationally without any issues. To me the Mods at Amibay have been perfect and patient with new users. This is my experience...
If your looking to make decent money, i would list your hardware on Amibay and see if others value the equipment for the asking price. In theory you can make more money on ebay but you can also make less. Amibay is the safest route IMHO.
Good luck!
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I have bought/sold around 4 things on Amibay and had no issues, actually the opposite.
eBay has been great as well, but I do feel eBay/Paypal taxes are too high, but you do get more peace of mind.
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AmiBay needs to work on their search algorithms. I'm very new there (after the confusing registration process), but trying to do the following: Click on the Search dropdown. Enter a keyword, such as "GVP". Get presented with a screen that says "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." When I know that keyword is used in a million different listings...
When I do the same on Ebay, I get 8 million pages of hair straighteners, but at least can sort it down from that. But on the other hand, with Ebay you've also gotta search the .co.uk site, and the .de site, and the .au site, since there's almost never any Amiga products listed on the regular .com site.
Ah, ya just can't win with either one, might as well stick to craigslist! ;-) #grumpyoldman
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I have an A2000 and an A1200 Blizzard '060 accelerator I want to sell. Obviously I want few hassles and a decent sell price on the units. eBay w/ PayPal's holding funds for a period of time is a big hassle.
Do things go pretty well on AmiBay? Or is it definitely a lesser $$ situation there?
Don't mean to sound $$ hungry, but I am trying to sell for $$, of course.
Thanks.
bp
Why are you people always so Ebay/Paypal challenged?
First, you get more money.
Second, you're protected from rip offs.
And third, if you get a Paypal debit card (free), you've got instant access to your money.
Man, get with it people.
Elon Musk is re-inventing the 21st century and you guys are so stone age.
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So it's basically his word against magnetic's. Based on observed behavior, I know where my vote is going.
Mine's on Magnetic.
Why would he lie?
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Butthurt spite?
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What's a "butthurt spike"?
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Butthurt spite?
Comments like this show the maturity level of this guy. No wonder he loved Franko so much.
Iggy thanks man I have no reason to lie. Commodorejohn doesnt like me so he will take any chance he get to make me look bad. I've told this story time and time again. You notice how NOBODY from EAB or Amibay will every post to "debate" me about it. Because they are in the wrong. And apparently are resorting to warping the story and lying about facts. Believe me when I say the guys who run Amibay are against the Amiga spirit. (Net freedom, net privacy, etc etc) They are more the spirit of the Pentagon than Amiga. All it is is a bunch of HOarders trading amiga gear with eacother.
Go on amibay and read threads and see how many people have been banned (Their nick has a line through it saying banned) many many many. Even guys who contribute alot. The "Masters' dont care. If you arent in their Cabal forget it.
AVOID AMIBAY AVOID AMIBAY
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i must not have been clear enough with my last warning. personal attacks, trolling, and libelous posts are absolutely prohibited. since folks couldn't follow the posting guidelines, this thread is now locked. posts which violated site posting guidelines after my previous warning have been deleted as well as responses to such posts. feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
-- eliyahu