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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: MaDDuck on January 26, 2004, 06:23:43 AM
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What is it?
WHERE is it??
I've seen FEW sporatic refrences here and there on line, but not even ElBox have a picture of it!
Are they 'really' wating for OS4.0 (like the rest of us!) or is this another example of Amiga Vaporware?
I would LOVE to get a G3 or G4 into my Amiga and make it faster (and less bloated) than my eMac running 10.3!
Are there any viable G3/G4 options for Amiga right now? I've noticed in Macworld that there are several CPU upgrade cards for Macintosh, wouldn't you LOVE to be able to pop one of those into an Amiga TODAY????
Peace out!
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Well, dream on ... :-)
Seriously, the classic Amiga hardware is just too old now. You should look for a Pegasos if you want a G3/G4 Amiga.
By the way, I'm not waiting for the OS4.
Bye
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You should look for a Pegasos if you want a G3/G4 Amiga.
...... always the same thing.......
NicoPPC you are boring. He asks for OS4 not MorphOS. Pegasos is a very good option for alternative computing, as AmigaOne... but you can't say this thing in every OS4/A1 topic........
If you are looking for a PPC new amiga that runs OS4 you should buy a "fresh" AmigaOne. It is the best choice for sure. The Shark will be probably out, and a good card, but as NicoPPC said the amiga classic hardware is old. I have both an AmigaOne and an Amiga1200..... maybe i'll buy a Shark (TEORICALLY Shark+Mediator should be a "new" "motherboard").
There is some very good UNOFFICIAL news on www.amigaworld.net forums. Try to use the forums search.
It seems that Elbox has sent (UNOFFICIAL!!!) a prototype to Hyperion. Check it. We'll see.
See you.
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ikir wrote:
It seems that Elbox has sent (UNOFFICIAL!!!) a prototype to Hyperion. Check it. We'll see.
No they havent. Both the Friedens have categorically denied receiving a SharkPPC prototype.
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@ Xeron
Sad news, we'll see. There is one question for Fleecy about Shark on the list for the next session on AW.
Can you give to me the link for the discussion where Friedens says that they don't have the prototype? Thanks so much.
See you.
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It seems to be vapourware. :-(
Too bad, a PPC-amiga on a card could be nice to have in I.E. a PC...
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@ikir
Its right here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2945&forum=14&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0).
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I personally think that it will be more likely that Open Office and Mozilla come out for the Amiga this year then the Shark card coming out ever .
Who should build it. Elbox isn't up to the job to manufacture something as complicated as this CPU-card (or more like a complete computer). At best they could buy the sonnetcard and modyfy it's BIOS a little like they did with the Spidercards that are in fact bog standard PCI-USB cards.
The Shark+ is even more vapourware, as Sonnet didn't made a card with this features and again Elbox does not have the capability to add those features to the standard sonnetaccelerator themself. When is comes to software, well Hyperion didn't even got a "prototype" and even if they had one they sure will have better things to do then adapt OS4 to this card (it's only luck that teh old CSPPC cards are supported anyway and this is only because OS4 was developed on it for a good part)
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Well, I just don't consider A1/OS4 as agood computer/OS then I will not advice to get it...
He asked for a viable G3/G4 option for Amiga, then I reply Pegasos/MorphOS, I don't think I'm out of topic.
Bye
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ikir wrote:
You should look for a Pegasos if you want a G3/G4 Amiga.
...... always the same thing.......
NicoPPC you are boring. He asks for OS4 not MorphOS. Pegasos is a very good option for alternative computing, as AmigaOne... but you can't say this thing in every OS4/A1 topic........
If you are looking for a PPC new amiga that runs OS4 you should buy a "fresh" AmigaOne. It is the best choice for sure. The Shark will be probably out, and a good card, but as NicoPPC said the amiga classic hardware is old. I have both an AmigaOne and an Amiga1200..... maybe i'll buy a Shark (TEORICALLY Shark+Mediator should be a "new" "motherboard").
There is some very good UNOFFICIAL news on www.amigaworld.net forums. Try to use the forums search.
It seems that Elbox has sent (UNOFFICIAL!!!) a prototype to Hyperion. Check it. We'll see.
See you.
Stop Squabbling... If the Shark ever gets released, then there is as much chance (if not more, as it has fewer licencing issues?) that MOS will be ported to it as there is for OS4*.
Both options are vaild despite your blindess to one of them.
*Possibly even an AROS port too... ;-)
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nicoppc:and i consider the classic a1200/a4000 to be more of a GOOD computer than an pegasos , simply pegasos is just another bizarre attemptv to go mainstream.
ah well i will get an shark ppc if and when it comes , if not...
A1 mirco is on the list also, but thats when its done, i am in no rush..
anyway MadDuck: the chances for this sharkppc to appear is very slim and for the sharkppc+ model its like ... it needs a miracle :)
but yes i am still waiting and hoping :).
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bloodline: well they have said that mos for powerup cards have been ready for ages and so on, and the fact that they have stalled the release of it shows its not or? , so hopeing for it to be released for shark is quite a long jump :)
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lempkee wrote:
bloodline: well they have said that mos for powerup cards have been ready for ages and so on, and the fact that they have stalled the release of it shows its not or? , so hopeing for it to be released for shark is quite a long jump :)
And hoping for an OS4 release is not?
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This is the official information about sharkppc by elbox:
We have openly informed that the production of SharkPPC G3/G4 cards will start
when AmigaOS4 for A1 is released. Not earlier. As soon as AmigaOS4 for A1 is
released we will follow all procedures required by Amiga Inc. in order to
bundle AmigaOS4.x with SharkPPC cards.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need further assistance.
Thank you for using Elbox's online support services.
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This is punkie's timely reminder that even if you're right, if you're an arsehole about it, no-one is going to listen.
Those who needed/need to be reminded of this know who they are.
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I don't see point in SharkPPC. There isnt even proof it would be
cheaper than A1-SE and A1-SE is lot better than any classic Amiga
model. On-board IDE on A1-SE even without DMA is faster than that one
on Amiga and if you need SCSI you can buy cheap PCI card...
I would not spend money into old slow classic Amigas anymore.
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Ma sei de coccio... :madashell:
PEGASOS IS NOT an Amiga....
PS=Amiga is Better.
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FFS :-(
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PFS3 :-)
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.. Let the flame wars begin a-new...
Why don't you just take your mine's better then yours because I say so arguments and go to hell ?
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Cyberus wrote:
PFS3 :-)
:lol:
Piss f**king s**t?
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FAT12 :madashell:
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@whabang
Files Always Trashed ?
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@Lemmink
Forget the Sonnets, a SharkPPC could be build on MAI's Mikroserver (if that ever
gets released, dated tech as it allready is), so the Shark itself wouldn't be a problem,
but how and if it does work with the different Mediators on a HW-level and what
it would cost.
If all that works out, you would still have the problem that the Shark has absolutly NO way
to directly access the Amiga-part of the equation.
But Hyperion would have gotten a proto long ago if Elbox were serious about going
that path.
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The shark is a total waste of time and money as the 1992 days have long gone, out with the old and in with the new,
Even if i did want one i would never want to do any sort of dealings with a company what has such a bad reputation.
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Kronos wrote:
Forget the Sonnets
I happen to like Shakespeare actually.
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To Amiperson2K3:
I dont think a stupid idea this hardware, +70% amiga users have mediator, for example. And you can use the new G3/G4 with fully amiga mother board, and you can have all customs chips for fully compatibility with all aga, paula, and 3.9 soft without any emulation. I think is better have ALL, sharkppc, my mediator Z4, my blizzard 1260, my fast scsi 2, my pcmcia, aga, paula... etc or not? =)
Amiga Classics, Sharkppc, AmigaOne & OS4 Rules!!! =)
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DaNi wrote:
To Amiperson2K3:
I dont think a stupid idea this hardware, +70% amiga users have mediator, for example.
Wow, seems we have another inhabitant of planet Blep right here on A.org ..... ;-)
One might argue how to actually define "amiga users" but 70% is just waaaaaaaaaay
out of line.
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Sheesh!
This sure got lively!!
So to sum up:
1. Some PPL like morphOS (I aint one of them!)
2. Some PPL are waiting for OS4 (I'm an idiot too)
3. it would be cool to G4 up a classic Amiga
Let's all agree to disagree!
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@lempkee: Well, the Pegasos is obviously a lot of faster than an
classical Amiga.
Anyway, if you consider that a A1200 is better than a Pegasos (I
suppose Peg I) then why do you want to buy a MicroA1 ?
The MicroA1 is close to the PegI, the only difference is that the A1
is not able "yet" to make safe DMA operation.
bye
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MaDDuck wrote:
Let's all agree to disagree!
Never, sir! We should disagree to agree :lol:
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k.
I disagree!!!
Besides- if I went Aone, where would I get a A1200 MOBO to plug into it??
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MaDDuck wrote:
k.
I disagree!!!
Besides- if I went Aone, where would I get a A1200 MOBO to plug into it??
You wouldn't ;-)
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dude!
I know.
Just pulling your chain.......
Remember the original specs, you'd need one for better compatibility!
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MaDDuck wrote:
k.
I disagree!!!
Besides- if I went Aone, where would I get a A1200 MOBO to plug into it??
Do what?!
Edit: Never mind ;-)
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MaDDuck wrote:
dude!
I know.
Just pulling your chain.......
Likewise :-P
Remember the original specs, you'd need one for better compatibility!
I actually kinda liked that original design, but really the self contained PPC mainboard solutions (both A1 and Peg) are clearly "the better mint..."
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Remember the original specs, you'd need one for better compatibility!
I actually kinda liked that original design, but really the self contained PPC mainboard solutions (both A1 and Peg) are clearly "the better mint..."
Perhaps....
Bet morphos has gotten a little to far away from the goal in my opinion...
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nicoppc: yes i am referring to what you wowed us (and others) that was the best thing so far, and now look, a new model came and all of a sudden pegasos 2 owners jump out and say "AMAZING"..
anyway to put some facts into here from my side aswell, i used to own an pegasos 1 and i used to own an a1 XE G4 , why i want an sharkppc and an a1 micro? , well for 1 it fits more my way of beeing an amiga user, the shark (if any comes) will head into my a1200 and the a1 micro will be the new "hw bash along setup"
and as far as DMA goes, i have had a peg1 and i have close friends who have a peg2 aswell, please explain closer :)
oh and last time i choosed new hardware "DMA" wasnt the reason, i choose the hardware platform via what suits me as an 100% amiga user who doesnt need a pc or a mac or a linux to keep up with the world.
anyway this thread is about "SHARK PPC" so i find it very natural to speak about that and not any of the new CLONES or attempts to put the amiga name further into the dark , and yes imho AmigaOne is not an amiga but it has the name and the OS! and infact i happen to love that OS!..
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@NicoPPC
It´s just that some of us is tired of you typing the same kind of answere to a wild variety of questions.
I know a lot of Pegasos user believed pegasos was going to be the next generation amiga when Amiga Inc said AmigaDE was their focus and that they did not intend to make an desktop OS. And that MorphOS isn´t evolving as fast as it could, when so many people is waiting for AmigaOS4.
Well, I just don't consider A1/OS4 as agood computer/OS then I will not advice to get it...
How can u know it´s not a good computer/OS?
He asked for a viable G3/G4 option for Amiga, then I reply Pegasos/MorphOS, I don't think I'm out of topic.
No he didn´t, he asked for an upgrade card. If some of the mac cards could be used or if sharkPPC was available.
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preach it man!!!!
I love your attitude, unfortunatly I have sold out. :(
Not big like everyone else that's gone all windowey and such, but I go use Macintoshes at home while the A4000 sits quiet on a desk (for now!)
I woul dreally love to use the Amiga OS on a G4 or like my new system, a G5. It would be a pure realization of the Amiga dream that we have all had for so long.....
<>
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can we all please leave the morphos, pegasos, amigaone, os4 arguments alone please for once... this is not the time nor the place. This thread is about the sharkppc and nothing else, so stick on topic.
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I'd be interested in SharkPPC if it gets released. It would be nice to have a fully compatible unit in 1 tower.
I would boot to OS3.9 partition/hard drive to access the classic stuff, or boot to OS4.0 partition/hard drive for the latest PPC offerings. Of course, this would be nice in theory only, as SharkPPC as itself and its OS4.0 compatibility are all unclear and unconfirmed.
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@DaNi
If you like the idea then good but these companies keep going on about moving in time with new hardware, but still continue to make very expensive hardware for a 1992 machine.
Surely after twelve years it is time to move on instead of hacking more stuff together for a machine what is crippled.
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yes.. but it's fun!
Kind of like modernizing a classic car.
Imagine putting a modern engine and electrics in an MG B! It would be a sweet ride, expensive but thouroughly modern!
Same thing with Upgrading amiga HW.
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@ MadDuck
I share the same sentiments
To have a 1993 Amiga 4000 capable of running a modern OS....sweet!
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EXACTLY!!!!
I just wish everyone else would 'get it'
In the mean time, any reccomendations for a G3/G4 card??
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How come THIS didn't make it on the Wired Vaporware list???
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Methuselas wrote:
How come THIS didn't make it on the Wired Vaporware list???
No telling, man!
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why it wasnt on the vapor list (sharkppc) Is VERY easy to answer..
There aint that many who wants this card , maybe a few 100s? , maybe 1000 ? ..
and AmigaOs4 is simply something alot of people is waiting for , as in thats why they vote up such a list! , bear in mind there was alot of other things we are waiting for that didnt show up on the list eiter, so basically it just shows the potential os4 can get :)
cheers
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@MaDDuck
Modernizing a classic car is fun! I know one guy that took his '71 'Cuda and modernized it, 17" wheels, EFI'd Hemi engine, the works. The thing rides like a dream.
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I would boot to OS3.9 partition/hard drive to access the classic stuff, or boot to OS4.0 partition/hard drive for the latest PPC offerings.
Imagine you had both PPC motherboard and A1200... You could run both
classic stuff and OS4 software simultaneously. Not to mention old
hardware is crippling PPC performance on SharkPPC still.
I really mean that and every time you switch OS you must close IRC
sessions etc... I had such dual boot system on my A1200 and it was not
really convenient. Usually I could not switch OS when I wanted to
because someone was leeching from my FTPd or haning on dynAMIte
server.
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Personally I think the Shark PPC will appear on the scene (although it's some way off I would imagine), Elbox are already laying the foundations with their six slot PCI bus boards and flash rom cards. Besides, they've got a pretty good record for delivering REAL products, they did come up with the first PCI expansion solution and Voodoo graphics drivers for the Amiga after all. Elbox have stated they will not produce the board until OS4 is on the shelves and that's fair enough, they don't want to fall victim to vaporware themselves now, do they ;-) .
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@ Bloodline:
Blind? :-o me? No you are wrong. I didn't say anything, he only asks for OS4 for SharkPPC. You are blind
@NicoPPC
As i before, he asks for OS4.... so a reply like "Buy a Pegasos" isn't the right one. Only this. I like Pegasos, i have 2 friends who have bought one or are going to buy one.
@ Xeron
Thanks for the link :-)
I'm going to read it now :-)
See you all :-)
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ELBOX is doing a nice job...
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org