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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: S0nic on December 24, 2012, 12:34:36 AM
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i need help, i just buy a500 , a600 and C64 will have ultimate modul II so with that modul will go on lcd
so now please help me , what is best solution for me , to buy 1 lcd and put all 3 computers on it , or buy 1084 monitor and one LCD monitor i don't know what is best solution for me, what monitors give best picture with my computers ... so how you on forum resolve this problem before with your amiga's and c64 , thanks
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If you want the Classic experience, the 1084 Monitors are the best for me. But if you want use any VGA monitor, maybe you can obtain any External TV Tunner, with RCA Audio & Video in.
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If you want the Classic experience, the 1084 Monitors are the best for me. But if you want use any VGA monitor, maybe you can obtain any External TV Tunner, with RCA Audio & Video in.
understand but people tell me that picture will be bad on any model of LCD monitor/TV ? what is you experience here is there any model of LCD monitor/tv who have good picture?
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can someone who have amiga 500 and 600 or c64 and have that on 4:3 LCD monitor/tv and have good quality picture to send me model of monitor, please
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A later-model 1084S is probably your best bet for picture quality and resolution compatibility. There's only one RGB input, though, so you'll need to swap the cable between your 500 and 600 by hand (make sure everything's turned off first). The C64 can plug in directly.
If you're going the LCD route and if you're not in North America, something with SCART and S-Video inputs gives you the best chance for success. The C64's Y/C video output is S-Video in a different connector shape. You can probably find a cheap adapter or build one yourself. For the Amiga, a simple Amiga-to-SCART video cable will do. Make sure the screen supports a 50Hz refresh rate, otherwise PAL video won't work. I'd guess that if the monitor supports SCART, though, it'll support 50Hz.
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Hi S0nic :-)
In my experience, an LCD attached to an Amiga is always like a lottery ticket.
Usually it will not work, because the PAL signal that comes out the custom chipset of any Amiga (50Hz) will not sync any modern LCD (usually around 60Hz). The reason is that historically computers are now attached to a monitor instead of a TV, thus it is cheaper for manufactures to limit the usable range of the monitors to the now standard VGA frequency.
The LCD monitor you want to use must have a proper RGB connection, which is more and more rare these days.
That usually means that you will not be able to play games but only be able to visualize Workbench (provided you have a 23pin adapter-to-VGA (http://goo.gl/Wdj4h) and you set a ScreenMode such as PAL, NTSC, DBLPAL, DBLNTSC). Although you are in Europe, if you set NTSC in Workbench you won't break anything, it will simply set a higher frequency ScreenMode that possibly will let you see something on screen (albeit you won't see the lower part of the screen due to the different resolution: PAL is 256 pixels height, NTSC is 200 pixels).
There are notable exceptions: my Dell U2211H, for example, is able to sync anything from 50Hz. That means that I can display output from the custom Amiga chipset, PAL, NTSC and also higher RTG resolutions (through a standard VGA cable).
If you want to use a modern monitor with your Amigas, the other option is buying a Scandoubler/Flickerfixer device: they basically "realign" the video signal. The downside is that these devices are expensive.
A native Commodore monitor is surely the safe way to go and it's the best choice if you like the "retrocomputer" feeling.
Hope this helps.
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I haven't checked all, but the BenQs I have had started @ 50 Hz, the older even @ 44 Hz!
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I haven't checked all, but the BenQs I have had started @ 50 Hz, the older even @ 44 Hz!
so do you try connect amiga's or c64 on that old BenQ's ?
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If you want to use a modern monitor with your Amigas, the other option is buying a Scandoubler/Flickerfixer device: they basically "realign" the video signal. The downside is that these devices are expensive.
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http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=821
this is that fixer?
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A later-model 1084S is probably your best bet for picture quality and resolution compatibility. There's only one RGB input, though, so you'll need to swap the cable between your 500 and 600 by hand (make sure everything's turned off first). The C64 can plug in directly.
If you're going the LCD route and if you're not in North America, something with SCART and S-Video inputs gives you the best chance for success. The C64's Y/C video output is S-Video in a different connector shape. You can probably find a cheap adapter or build one yourself. For the Amiga, a simple Amiga-to-SCART video cable will do. Make sure the screen supports a 50Hz refresh rate, otherwise PAL video won't work. I'd guess that if the monitor supports SCART, though, it'll support 50Hz.
thanks for helping me i have info that this models can work with amigas
Samsung Syncmaster 171MP, 741mp, 150MP, 151MP
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so do you try connect amiga's or c64 on that old BenQ's ?
They probably start on 24 kHz, so need a tweaked monitor driver or doublescan mode.
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They probably start on 24 kHz, so need a tweaked monitor driver or doublescan mode.
this one is not good?
http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/benq-fp72e-s-lcd/4507-3174_7-32243069.html
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Horizontal / vertical frequencies 31-83 (KHz) / 50 - 76 (Hz)
So not good without a scandoubler.
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http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=821
this is that fixer?
Yes, that's the device I was talking about.
Those from Indivision are the most wanted because they're newly produced and they do both the scandoubler and the flickfixer jobs at once, but they only exist for A1200 and A4000.
I know there's a choice of external SD/FF devices too, but their output quality does not compare well to those of Indivision. While external devices are cheaper, internal devices work better because are physically plugged to the video chip.
In case of A500/A600 there is no internal possibility to plug such a device so the choice is much obliged.
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Greetings! If you live in Chicagoland area, come to my home in Lake Station, In., I have an 1084s monitor for $30.00 bucks picked up.
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Greetings! If you live in Chicagoland area, come to my home in Lake Station, In., I have an 1084s monitor for $30.00 bucks picked up.
i'm from Croatia :( :flame:
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In case of A500/A600 there is no internal possibility to plug such a device so the choice is much obliged.
i don't know what to do, will buy one 1084 but wish to find some LCD i don't know what model, i hope somone on this forum have at home amiga 500 amiga 600 connect on some LCD so he can tell me
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It sounds like you need an LCD TV with "old" inputs ~~ composite, S-Video, and VGA. I had one I bought in 2004, about a 14" I used for everything at the time. It was a brand name, like Sylvania, but they copied everybody else.
The question remains,"Have you gone over to the 'Dark Side' and checked eBay?" :laugh1:
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i don't know what to do, will buy one 1084 but wish to find some LCD i don't know what model, i hope somone on this forum have at home amiga 500 amiga 600 connect on some LCD so he can tell me
I do not what is the big deal with the Commodore 1084 monitor? It is the best monitor purchase I have ever made and I own the 1084s version actually and the screen size is not so bad either. The quality of the graphics and the colors it produces is unbelievable man!!
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i still don't find LCD monitor for my A600 , so no one on this forum don't have amiga600 and LCD monitor?
i just need name and model don't meed information about model, so send me few LCD's model you have, thanks
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i'm from Croatia :( :flame:
Croatia? So I guess tv's are equipped with SCART? Get yourself an old television and a Amiga SCART cable (http://www.vesalia.de/e_amigamonitorcables%5B311%5D.htm), a Commodore 64 Monitor Cable CVBAS (http://www.vesalia.de/e_c64kabel%5B4636%5D.htm), a generic composite-SCART converter and a scart splitter.
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...but they only exist for A1200 and A4000.
In case of A500/A600 there is no internal possibility to plug such a device so the choice is much obliged.
That's not correct at all, Indivision ECS anyone?
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In case of A500/A600 there is no internal possibility to plug such a device so the choice is much obliged.
Yes there is (http://www.vesalia.de/e_indivisionecs%5B6300%5D.htm)
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I've tested several LCD-TVs and all of them has worked at lest with this :
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226
With LCD-TV you will get nice flicker free hires picture as bonus.
Usually only one of scart connectors are fully wired, so SCART spiltter is good choise. With Amiga 600/1200 you can also use this, but picture quality is not good., though little bit better than composite.
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211
LCD-TV composite is quite OK with Commodore 64, look surpicenly good. So connect your amigas through SCART with scart splitter and Commodore 64 to composite.
3/4 picture LCD-TV with analogic tv-tuner are really cheap, that would be best choise.
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Yes there is (http://www.vesalia.de/e_indivisionecs%5B6300%5D.htm)
Ouch, you are right, I forgot about the ECS version.
Thanks for pointing me that.
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I've tested several LCD-TVs and all of them has worked at lest with this :
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226
With LCD-TV you will get nice flicker free hires picture as bonus.
Usually only one of scart connectors are fully wired, so SCART spiltter is good choise. With Amiga 600/1200 you can also use this, but picture quality is not good., though little bit better than composite.
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=211
LCD-TV composite is quite OK with Commodore 64, look surpicenly good. So connect your amigas through SCART with scart splitter and Commodore 64 to composite.
3/4 picture LCD-TV with analogic tv-tuner are really cheap, that would be best choise.
With LCD tvs you get often lousy scandoubling effects like the "comb" effect. This is not just a little bit noticeable. The XRGB and the Indivision scandoublers are there for a very good reason.
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Ouch, you are right, I forgot about the ECS version.
Thanks for pointing me that.
No problemo, the more options like these mentioned on fora, the easier people will get to the ideal solution for them. :)
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i have a500 and a600 ,,,, i'm confused now because i heard that i must find LCD who have under 15mhz?? now you tell me here that any LCD/TV have good picture with a500 and a600? i'm looking more LCD for my a600 because a500 i can connect on 1084s monitor i have at home....
i look for monitor who have good quality of picture with a500 and a600 not any monitor who can be connected
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Should connect fine to the A500 just need the right cable. What model 1084s do you have, check out the below link should help:
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=849
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Should connect fine to the A500 just need the right cable. What model 1084s do you have, check out the below link should help:
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=849
i know that, but i look for LCD monitor too for a500 and a600 eaven i have 1084s
i heard that monitors samsung 150 151 171 and 741mp are best for amiga's but i can't find for buy it, so can someone send me some other models
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guys what you think of this model for amiga 500 and amiga 600 lcd monitor
http://www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/lcd-monitor/LS17HALKS/XSG
Signal Input
Video Signal
can i connect amiga's with this monitor with RGB cable, what you think is this good monitor for amigas and what qulity of picture i will have
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Why not buy a CRT television and connect the amiga through scart? For gaming is the best option.
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Why not buy a CRT television and connect the amiga through scart? For gaming is the best option.
i wish LCD monitor i have one 1084s but wish to buy LCD now
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I find Samsung sync master 711mp this is specifiaction, what you think will i get good quality picture with amiga 500 and amiga 600 he have inputs s-video, SCART and cinch , working on 50herz and 4:3 resolution ? please help
Product Features
- Built-in Sat-Tuner: No
- Compact Flash Card: No
- Contrast Ratio (X:1): 700
- DVB-C: No
- DVB-S: No
- DVB-T: No
- DVD Player / Recorder: No
- DVI Interface: No
- Digital Tuner: No
- Electronic Program Guide (EPG): No
- Energy Savings Trust Feature: No
- Frequency: 50 Hertz
- HD ready: No
- HDMI Interface: No
- HDTV Norm: No
- Horizontal Resolution in Pixel: 1280
- Loudspeakers: Yes
- Memory Stick: No
- Multimedia Card: No
- Number of Scart Interfaces: 1
- PCMCIA Interface: No
- Reflection Angle: 160
- Screen Format: 4:3
- Screen Size in Inch: 17
- Screen Size in Inches: 17
- Screen Size in cm: 43
- Secure Digital Card: No
- Smart Media Card: No
- Type of Monitor: LCD
- USB: No
- Vertical Resolution in Pixel: 1024
- xD-Picture Card: No
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i buy today on ebay UK 741mp i will wait and send here information how quality picture is with amiga's i have info till now that this model have great picture quality