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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: SysAdmin on December 17, 2012, 04:07:30 PM
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Now every Commercial AmigaOS, MorphOS & AROS Developer can be famous for more than 15 minutes!
Welcome to the "Unified Future" of buying all your Amiga OS4.x, MorphOS, AROS & Classic Amiga Commercial applications in one place.
For the next 72 Hours we are waving the $39.96 yearly fee to join Project Metropolis. What is Project Metropolis? It's a App Based Instant Download Application Storefront for Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS and Classic Amiga. We will not only sell our own applications there, we will sell 3rd party programs as well. A very generous revenue share has been setup for the developer and is paid monthly.
3rd Party developer gets 70%
DiscreetFX gets 30%
The application approval process is very easy and the market will decide which apps are good or bad not DiscreetFX. Now, finally customers will have a central place to buy and Instantly Download their Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS and Classic Amiga apps. Developers can focus on creating their great applications and even games, then be confident users will actually see them since there will be a quick cloud based solution for customers to buy them.
If you are a commercial developer and want join for free please contact us by using the link below. Please hurry because this offer is only free for the next 72 hours. Great developers and DiscreetFX partnering together is what will make this a fantastic success. Put "Free Project Metropolis Offer" in the subject of your e-mail to us.
http://www.discreetfx.com/contact.html
http://www.discreetfx.com/ProjectMetropolis.html
http://www.discreetfx.com/ProjectMetropolisFAQ.html
About DiscreetFX
Want to see DiscreetFX’s effects software in action? Turn on your television, we have been creating visual effects software products for editors and creative professionals for over 15 years. DiscreetFX creates Real-time transitions and effects seen on over 100 television programs including Blind Date, 5th Wheel, Shipmates and many more! You can also see DiscreetFX software used on the following networks HBO, Showtime, Discovery Channel, PBS, Fox and more!
DiscreetFX is privately owned visual effects startup and based in Chicago, Illinois. For more information, please visit:
http://www.discreetfx.com
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@Pyromania
Can you elaborate a bit more on the 'app-based cloud storefront' piece of this announcement? Does that mean there are native AmigaOS, MorphOS, and AROS software clients where users browse available titles, purchase, and then download -- or is it the same PayPal-based web page as before?
If it is app-based, is it Hollywood-based? How are payments handled? Could you attach a screenshot or two of the 'Project Metropolis' app users would see? Thanks!
Edit: Does this mean Aladdin 4D v5.0 will be available for sale again once the storefront is up? Any other titles you know of yet that will be available at the launch? :)
-- eliyahu
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Yes it now includes a native App for AmigaOS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS & Classic Amiga. Payments will still be processed though Paypal via the application. Aladdin4D 5.x will not be available on December 21st, 2012.
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Paypal STOLE all the Total Chaos AGA donations.
Paypal is a criminal organization.
I will never use Paypal again.
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@ChaosLord
It sounds like we should offer Amazon Payments and Google Checkout as well.
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I just started using Amazon. So far so good.
I don't know anything about Google Checkout.
As far as Paypal goes. I waited for YEARS for them to let me use the money in my account. They said we have placed a limit on your account. Your limit is $0.00 WTF?!? When I signed up they said I could use the money to buy stuff. But many years later when I went to buy something I find they place a limit on me of $0.00. They kept happily letting ppl put money IN my account. But nobody could ever take money OUT.
There were no complaints or disputes or anything like that.
This went on for years.
So I had a letter sent to the Governor of Texas, Rick Perry.
A few months later, BAM! The state of Texas siezed my paypal funds away from Paypal. Paypal did not like this and they closed my account.
Paypal is a criminal organiztion.
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Now every Commercial AmigaOS, MorphOS & AROS Developer can be famous for more than 15 minutes!
Welcome to the "Unified Future" of buying all your Amiga OS4.x, MorphOS, AROS & Classic Amiga Commercial applications in one place.
For the next 72 Hours we are waving the $39.96 yearly fee to join Project Metropolis. What is Project Metropolis? It's a App Based Instant Download Application Storefront for Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS and Classic Amiga. We will not only sell our own applications there, we will sell 3rd party programs as well. A very generous revenue share has been setup for the developer and is paid monthly.
3rd Party developer gets 70%
DiscreetFX gets 30%
The application approval process is very easy and the market will decide which apps are good or bad not DiscreetFX. Now, finally customers will have a central place to buy and Instantly Download their Amiga OS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS and Classic Amiga apps. Developers can focus on creating their great applications and even games, then be confident users will actually see them since there will be a quick cloud based solution for customers to buy them.
If you are a commercial developer and want join for free please contact us by using the link below. Please hurry because this offer is only free for the next 72 hours. Great developers and DiscreetFX partnering together is what will make this a fantastic success. Put "Free Project Metropolis Offer" in the subject of your e-mail to us.
http://www.discreetfx.com/contact.html
http://www.discreetfx.com/ProjectMetropolis.html
About DiscreetFX
Want to see DiscreetFXâs effects software in action? Turn on your television, we have been creating visual effects software products for editors and creative professionals for over 15 years. DiscreetFX creates Real-time transitions and effects seen on over 100 television programs including Blind Date, 5th Wheel, Shipmates and many more! You can also see DiscreetFX software used on the following networks HBO, Showtime, Discovery Channel, PBS, Fox and more!
DiscreetFX is privately owned visual effects startup and based in Chicago, Illinois. For more information, please visit:
www.discreetfx.com (http://www.discreetfx.com)
So I have to pay $39.96 to access the application and download it into my Amiga 1200 to then use the application itself to browse and buy software online through the apps and see what new apps and games are available for me in my A1200?
What if in one year I cancelled my subscription, does that mean I cannot use the App I installed into my A1200 anymore?
Ones I pay the $39.96 yearly subscription will there be a link for me to download hte application? Is the name of app called Metropolis?
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So I have to pay $39.96 to access the application and download it into my Amiga 1200 to then use the application itself to browse and buy software online through the apps and see what new apps and games are available for me in my A1200?
There is no "application", it's just a website. And there are no devs that are ever going to use "Project Metropolis".
The yearly fee of 40 USD would have to be paid by the developer, for the privilege to have his software listed on said website. You, as a customer, would only pay for applications you purchase.
But you really don't need get interested in any details. Project Metropolis is just another excuse to create 'press releases'.
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I just started using Amazon. So far so good.
I don't know anything about Google Checkout.
As far as Paypal goes. I waited for YEARS for them to let me use the money in my account. They said we have placed a limit on your account. Your limit is $0.00 WTF?!? When I signed up they said I could use the money to buy stuff. But many years later when I went to buy something I find they place a limit on me of $0.00. They kept happily letting ppl put money IN my account. But nobody could ever take money OUT.
There were no complaints or disputes or anything like that.
This went on for years.
So I had a letter sent to the Governor of Texas, Rick Perry.
A few months later, BAM! The state of Texas siezed my paypal funds away from Paypal. Paypal did not like this and they closed my account.
Paypal is a criminal organiztion.
Hear, hear!
Paypal once couldn't collect 10 euros from my bank account (most probably due to an issue with their own servers). I only found out about it 2 months later, at which point they tried to force a bill of 100 euros down on me.
End of story was that I didn't answer any of their mail and, after just another 2 months, they eventually gave up and asked me for a mere 8 euros (not on top of the 10 euros, but exclusively).
EDIT: Just contacted DiscreetFX over their contact form. I hope that one is working and they'll receive my mail.
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There is no "application", it's just a website. And there are no devs that are ever going to use "Project Metropolis".
The yearly fee of 40 USD would have to be paid by the developer, for the privilege to have his software listed on said website. You, as a customer, would only pay for applications you purchase.
But you really don't need get interested in any details. Project Metropolis is just another excuse to create 'press releases'.
Incorrect on all counts.
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There is an application, actually. One that is available for MorphOS, AmigaOS and AROS
As far as I remember it from the top of my head, the 40 USD are also not for one year but several (3, I think).
It's kind of like Steam and the likes.
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There is an application, actually. One that is available for MorphOS, AmigaOS and AROS
As far as I remember it from the top of my head, the 40 USD are also not for one year but several (3, I think).
It's kind of like Steam and the likes.
Well for the next 72 hours it's free for one year. Yes, there is a an application for AmigaOS, MorphOS & AROS.
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@eliyahu
Aladdin4D 5.x can't currently be purchased from DiscreetFX. However, the rare and sought after boxed version can still be purchased from Amigakit.
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=21&products_id=555
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Well, where can I get this application from then? The website does not provide a downloadable link for the application.....or...wait...I get it now. I have to pay the money first before I get the link to download the app from the first place. I see.
Do I just pay by paypal using the email address and that is that or is there like an online shopping cart or something?
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Is Aladdin4D 5.x not available on that day because of the 13th Bakhtun of the Mayan Calendar?
Yes it now includes a native App for AmigaOS 4.x, MorphOS, AROS & Classic Amiga. Payments will still be processed though Paypal via the application. Aladdin4D 5.x will not be available on December 21st, 2012.
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Well, where can I get this application from then? The website does not provide a downloadable link for the application.....or...wait...I get it now. I have to pay the money first before I get the link to download the app from the first place. I see.
Do I just pay by paypal using the email address and that is that or is there like an online shopping cart or something?
It's still in beta, that's why there's no publicly downloadable application yet.
Developers probably already have access to a toned down version with sales disabled.
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It's still in beta, that's why there's no publicly downloadable application yet.
Developers probably already have access to a toned down version with sales disabled.
Then I am relying on them to post a news with a link of download or purchase of the product here in Amiga.org. In the mean I will keep checking for an updates everyday.
To have a new A COMMERCIAL apps where I can buy for my Amiga 1200 and the fact I CAN BUY NEW COMMERCIAL GAMES through this app and any new commercial apps....IS NOT ONLY HOT...but FINALLY I can feel my A1200 have a brand new life to live and I feel back at the era of Commodore 64, again. I just hope the new games are all AGA games and with greatest graphics possible and fun gameplay!
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Then I am relying on them to post a news with a link of download or purchase of the product here in Amiga.org. In the mean I will keep checking for an updates everyday.
To have a new A COMMERCIAL apps where I can buy for my Amiga 1200 and the fact I CAN BUY NEW COMMERCIAL GAMES through this app and any new commercial apps....IS NOT ONLY HOT...but FINALLY I can feel my A1200 have a brand new life to live and I feel back at the era of Commodore 64, again. I just hope the new games are all AGA games and with greatest graphics possible and fun gameplay!
I hope not.
While AGA is great, OCS/ECS graphics can, likewise, be quite interesting.
If I get the chance to, I'll most definitely program for AGA as well as OCS/ECS.
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Zzzzz... Oh wait? 30% in the tiny amiga market? For what? Your crappy wordpress site? Hahahah! I wish you good luck! You will need it!
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I hope not.
While AGA is great, OCS/ECS graphics can, likewise, be quite interesting.
If I get the chance to, I'll most definitely program for AGA as well as OCS/ECS.
Well, at least let the difference between AGA vs OCS/ECS is great and worth it. I just noticed majorty of the commercial (old) games with OCS/ECS vs their AGA version their graphics where not ALL THAT NOTICEABLE making it questionable why get an AGA game version.
Of course for a view exception, but right now in 2012...at least make the AGA graphics games NOTICEABLE in difference, quality and entertainment verses the OCS/ECS version or otherwise do not make AGA games period.
AS old an outdated AGA chipset is...it is a good improvement over OCS/ECS...it would be great to see games EXPLOIT it to the maximum instead of Amiga Demos who exploit it.
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Zzzzz... Oh wait? 30% in the tiny amiga market? For what? Your crappy wordpress site? Hahahah! I wish you good luck! You will need it!
Idiot.
We have someone trying to give desperately needed leadership for the community - what gives you the right to judge? What have you contributed to the Amiga community lately?
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Zzzzz... Oh wait? 30% in the tiny amiga market? For what? Your crappy wordpress site? Hahahah! I wish you good luck! You will need it!
I am curious. If you open the dictionary and look at the word troll with an example, would that above there be it?
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There is no "application", it's just a website. And there are no devs that are ever going to use "Project Metropolis".
The yearly fee of 40 USD would have to be paid by the developer, for the privilege to have his software listed on said website. You, as a customer, would only pay for applications you purchase.
But you really don't need get interested in any details. Project Metropolis is just another excuse to create 'press releases'.
You think you can do better? You lead and i will follow.
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I would very much be interested in something like this even if it costs money :)
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Idiot.
How mature.
We have someone trying to give desperately needed leadership
LOL, Bill and his imaginary friends providing "leadership"? You crack me up.
Here's an idea: count the DiscreetFX related news items at AmigaWorld (close to a hundred) and compare that with actual results delivered (zero). Use this evidence to calculate the likelyhood of "Project Metropolis" ever going anywhere.
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So I have to pay $39.96 to access the application and download it into my Amiga 1200 to then use the application itself to browse and buy software online through the apps and see what new apps and games are available for me in my A1200?
What if in one year I cancelled my subscription, does that mean I cannot use the App I installed into my A1200 anymore?
Ones I pay the $39.96 yearly subscription will there be a link for me to download hte application? Is the name of app called Metropolis?
End users pay $0 for the Project Metropolis App. They only pay if they buy an application in the store.
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Well, at least let the difference between AGA vs OCS/ECS is great and worth it. I just noticed majorty of the commercial (old) games with OCS/ECS vs their AGA version their graphics where not ALL THAT NOTICEABLE making it questionable why get an AGA game version.
Of course for a view exception, but right now in 2012...at least make the AGA graphics games NOTICEABLE in difference, quality and entertainment verses the OCS/ECS version or otherwise do not make AGA games period.
AS old an outdated AGA chipset is...it is a good improvement over OCS/ECS...it would be great to see games EXPLOIT it to the maximum instead of Amiga Demos who exploit it.
I'm authoring it with AGA in mind (as I don't currently own an OCS/ECS Amiga). So yea, there's a good chance the game will look quite different on lowlier hardware.
At this point, I'm exclusively working in Windows. Hopefully, this will soon change (as soon as I can find a darn 2.5 IDE HDD that actually works).
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Idiot.
We have someone trying to give desperately needed leadership for the community - what gives you the right to judge? What have you contributed to the Amiga community lately?
Wow, what a stupid comment.
I don't need no stinking leader to use/enjoy my Amiga's. There's no need for a leader, period. cgutjahr is right.
Now look what you made me do, I logged in and posted after almost a year!
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How mature.
LOL, Bill and his imaginary friends providing "leadership"? You crack me up.
Here's an idea: count the DiscreetFX related news items at AmigaWorld (close to a hundred) and compare that with actual results delivered (zero). Use this evidence to calculate the likelyhood of "Project Metropolis" ever going anywhere.
Wow thanx for the vote of confidence! We partner with outside vendors on some of our products. Thus we are at the mercy of market conditions and said outside vendors for those products.
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Wow, what a stupid comment.
I don't need no stinking leader to use/enjoy my Amiga's. There's no need for a leader, period. cgutjahr is right.
Now look what you made me do, I logged in and posted after almost a year!
Umm. A leader or two certainly couldn't hurt.
Windows got Steam and the Microsoft App Store.
MacOSX got it's own app store.
Android and WebOS also got their own app stores.
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Wow, what a stupid comment.
I don't need no stinking leader to use/enjoy my Amiga's. There's no need for a leader, period. cgutjahr is right.
Now look what you made me do, I logged in and posted after almost a year!
OK then, what have you done for the Amiga community? Apart from logging in...
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Umm. A leader or two certainly couldn't hurt.
Windows got Steam and the Microsoft App Store.
MacOSX got it's own app store.
Android and WebOS also got their own app stores.
I don't give a **** about app stores, just enjoy your Amiga and be happy. There's no need for a 'leader" who take's 30% and an anual fee.
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OK then, what have you done for the Amiga community? Apart from logging in...
Boring, probably more than you'll ever do in your life time.
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on subject:
oh, is that tweedledee and tweedledum out in the wild again? soon we may have another round of "it wasnt me, it was him!" i sense.
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OK then, what have you done for the Amiga community? Apart from logging in...
Well. People like him have certainly given the Amiga community a bad name with their isolationalist stanec. If that's not a major achievement, I dunno what is.
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Well. People like him have certainly given the Amiga community a bad name with their isolationalist stanec. If that's not a major achievement, I dunno what is.
Another boring Amiga user, I've made skins/themes, ported software, made bootup screens and what not... What have you done besides bitching?
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Who are you calling boring? You don't exactly set the place on fire. Why don't you put your head down the toilet bowl and flush it for us. I double dog dare you :D
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Who are you calling boring? You don't exactly set the place on fire. Why don't you put your head down the toilet bowl and flush it for us. I double dog dare you :D
That's very funny, but please tell us what you have done for the Amiga community, besides posting crap. Posting silly **** is easy, anybody can do that.
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@thread
guys, this is getting out of hand. stop the personal attacks. now.
-- eliyahu
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I love the idea of an "app store" for Amiga. Good luck! :) Gaah, so much negativity on this thread! :-/
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Aminet always worked for me, and I suppose if I'm going to buy software I'd prefer to give the authors 100% profits vs a 70/30 split for what is essentially just a storefront dropsite. Or use a reputable brick and mortar vendor.
You'll have to forgive me but I've seen enough people screwed and jerked around by DFX to give them a dime of my money again. Gave up on Aladdin, money flushed down the bog on that one.
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Why in God's name would an Amiga developer use a service that takes a 30% cut to distribute software to a tiny community whose members are all already well-acquainted with downloading and installing software from the Internet, on a platform that has had a perfectly decent installer system since 1990?
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Why in God's name would an Amiga developer use a service that takes a 30% cut to distribute software to a tiny community whose members are all already well-acquainted with downloading and installing software from the Internet, on a platform that has had a perfectly decent installer system since 1990?
Well we do advertise and market Project Metropolis so that's one plus for developers. We have a full page color Ad in Amiga Future 100 & 101 for example. At the end of the day though each developer will have to decide if Project Metropolis is a right or wrong solution for them. They are welcome to keep doing it the old way but that has not really helped this market grow much.
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Good idee, it is big problem to find anything new now a days. Maybe it even gives little boost to software develobment.
This is something that we need.
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Post removed due to TOS violation:
Blatant personal attacks are not permitted.
Criticize ideas, not people. Excessive flaming will not be tolerated. Users who verbally assault the character or person of other posters on a regular basis will be banned. Name calling is best left to grade school. Moderator's judgment applies here. "You are wrong" is not a personal attack; "You are an idiot" is. "You do not have all of the facts" is not a personal attack; "you are obviously clueless" is. These are generalized examples, but you get the idea.
-- eliyahu
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Tadadaaaa tadadaaa yeee :) This is true spirit of amiga.org :D Childis adults, who doesn't have basic manners.
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Show some respect.
* Post edited to remove quote from moderated post. (eliyahu) *
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Relax guys.
No need to start a flamewar over this.
So some of us prefer a centralized solution while others prefer the nostalgic flair of 1980 style self-publishing.
Big deal.
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Something really funny that was just posted to Moobunny:
Original announcement (July 2011): (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57997) Bill gets 20% of the revenue, there are no yearly fees to be paid by the developer
Today's announcement: Bill gets 30% of the revenue, and there's a yearly fee for the dev (which of course, is "waved" for the next 72 hours, lol).
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Something really funny that was just posted to Moobunny:
Original announcement (July 2011): (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57997) Bill gets 20% of the revenue, there are no yearly fees to be paid by the developer
Today's announcement: Bill gets 30% of the revenue, and there's a yearly fee for the dev (which of course, is "waved" for the next 72 hours, lol).
AFAIK, that deal was early adopter exclusive.
Personally, I don't really care. As long as the TOS are non-restrictive (e. g. I'll be able to cross-publish/self-publish), I'm fine.
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As a developer - I think it's a very good idea.... except the annual fee. I think the 30% should be enough. Why? Because as a developer who runs his own company, I don't know when I'm going to have time to write anything and when I'm not. I'm not going to put $40 down just in case I manage to get something releaseworthy. We're in such a small market, I'm not sure about subscription model at all. Percentage of profits is fine, though.
I think maybe a subscription fee may be more worthwhile when/if this takes off, but not until.
Incidentally, I'm still not sure what Project Metropolis is. If it's a website, then that's no good- there's plenty of portals already. It needs to be an app like Jack - but doesn't Jack already do that anyway...?
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If it helps everyone we can explain where the 30% of our cut goes. Payment processing fees like Paypal fees come out of DFX share not the developer. Royalties to the developer of the Project Metropolis App also come out of DiscreetFX's share. Of course we also host and promote all the commercial applications and give customers a quick App based way to buy then download the software. We take care of the infrastructure for the developer giving them more time to develop and enhance their applications.
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If it helps everyone we can explain where the 30% of our cut goes. Payment processing fees like Paypal fees come out of DFX share not the developer. Royalties to the developer of the Project Metropolis App also come out of DiscreetFX's share. Of course we also host and promote all the commercial applications and give customers a quick App based way to buy then download the software. We take care of the infrastructure for the developer giving them more time to develop and enhance their applications.
How does VAT work?
Do you take care of this or will I have to figure this out myself/declare it on the annual tax declaration form?
Furthermore, I'd like to know what will be the next step, as I've been accepted for Metropolis earlier that day.
Will I receive a developer login of some sorts?
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How does VAT work?
Do you take care of this or will I have to figure this out myself/declare it on the annual tax declaration form?
Furthermore, I'd like to know what will be the next step, as I've been accepted for Metropolis earlier that day.
Will I receive a developer login of some sorts?
You will have to do the VAT stuff sorry. Yes you will get developer login details soon. We will help you with next steps soon.
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You will have to do the VAT stuff sorry. Yes you will get developer login details soon. We will help you with next steps soon.
Fair enough.
I actually love doing taxes*.
*If you know what you're doing, it's actually very much akin to legitimately and legally screwing the government. ;)
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Fair enough.
I actually love doing taxes*.
*If you know what you're doing, it's actually very much akin to legitimately and legally screwing the government. ;)
As someone who has previously worked in tax i feel inclined to vomit on you :smack: