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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmigaClassicRule on December 05, 2012, 01:52:34 AM
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AmigaOne X1000 is sold for 1,846.78 GBP or 2,269.62 EUR in AmigaKit. Isn't this a little bit too high for a computer?
Does this apply again to the very little market toward it kinda thing? I mean it cost $2973.05 US. With that price I can get the top of a line latest up to date gaming laptop!!
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AmigaOne X1000 is sold for 1,846.78 GBP or 2,269.62 EUR in AmigaKit. Isn't this a little bit too high for a computer?
Does this apply again to the very little market toward it kinda thing? I mean it cost $2973.05 US. With that price I can get the top of a line latest up to date gaming laptop!!
What, are an AmigaOne so pricey? That is quite some money, it sure must can do a lot of things.
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AmigaOne X1000 is sold for 1,846.78 GBP or 2,269.62 EUR in AmigaKit. Isn't this a little bit too high for a computer?
Does this apply again to the very little market toward it kinda thing? I mean it cost $2973.05 US. With that price I can get the top of a line latest up to date gaming laptop!!
Ssshhh...... ..no need to shout.
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Ssshhh...... ..no need to shout.
Yes you are right :) But are that a normal price? almost 3000 dollars for an AmigaOne?
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Ssshhh...... ..no need to shout.
If i recall correctly AmigaClassicRule has serious eye problems.
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If i recall correctly AmigaClassicRule has serious eye problems.
Maybe he has lost his glasses ;)
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ACR must be really, really, really young. Overpaying for Amiga gear since the 90's is an Amigan family tradition! :lol:
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If i recall correctly AmigaClassicRule has serious eye problems.
I was unaware of this. I have a partially sighted daughter so that's not something I would use for laughs.
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I was unaware of this. I have a partially sighted daughter so that's not something I would use for laughs.
Actually I am wearing glasses. But that font was not intentionally, it is result of copying and pasting price from XE currency converter website that did affect the font. However, let us return back to topic in hands.
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ACR must be really, really, really young. Overpaying for Amiga gear since the 90's is an Amigan family tradition! :lol:
Maybe so, but 3k for an Amiga is a little overkill. I mean call me crazy, but I am willing to pay 5K if it have the same amount of developers and software library as Linux community...and I am serious too. But since that is not the case...3K is too much.
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Maybe so, but 3k for an Amiga is a little overkill. I mean call me crazy, but I am willing to pay 5K if it have the same amount of developers and software library as Linux community...and I am serious too. But since that is not the case...3K is too much.
I will take an Amiga 3000T to 1000 dollars instead if it was me. I have seen them in that price range.
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I will take an Amiga 3000T to 1000 dollars instead if it was me. I have seen them in that price range.
So you will buy an Amiga 3000 T over AOne?
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So you will buy an Amiga 3000 T over AOne?
Yes maybe it is because i have always wanted an Amiga 3000T. Some say Commodore was at there prime when they released it, and it looks quite nice too, and there are not to many of them around. So it is a collector item.
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Yes maybe it is because i have always wanted an Amiga 3000T. Some say Commodore was at there prime when they released it, and it looks quite nice too, and there are not to many of them around. So it is a collector item.
A3000T is sexy, no objection there. Go for it. :biglaugh:
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A3000T is sexy, no objection there. Go for it. :biglaugh:
Yes but i will have to save up for it first :)
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Yes, that's the price. Yes, it's high - excessively so if you ask me.
That being said, there's a number of cheaper options if you are interested in new OS4 hardware. SAM 460 boards are about 600 euros or so, the 440 boards cheaper yet.
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The reason the price is so high is because it costs so much to make.
The X1000 was designed from the start to be the fastest new PowerPC hardware for AmigaOS, and that meant using very expensive components. like the pa6t. This was deliberate because the Sams already covered the low and mid range of the hardware range.
Trust me, they're not getting rich off this.
Luckily it's been selling better than expected. :)
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Luckily it's been selling better than expected. :)
:banana:
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Yes maybe it is because i have always wanted an Amiga 3000T. Some say Commodore was at there prime when they released it, and it looks quite nice too, and there are not to many of them around. So it is a collector item.
The case design department certainly wasn't on top form that year lol
That is easily the ugliest Amiga EVER made, it makes even the melted Commodore 128 looking Amiga 500 almost nice to look at :) Looks like a rubbish 80386 tower PCm the Commodore 486 looks more Amiga than the Amiga 3000T does. Compared to the gorgeous A3000 desktop you have to ask WTF happened to classy elegant design?
The price for the AmigaONE X1000 is a product of using old technology at it's fastest speed. The way things are going there will be seriously faster mobile phone/tablet CPUs costing pennies not too far off.
The only choice for X1000 was the Xenon CPU from IBM, everything else was going to cost way too much. Luckily the SAM 460 @ 1000 GBP is just as overpriced on £/mhz :)
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Actually I am wearing glasses. But that font was not intentionally, it is result of copying and pasting price from XE currency converter website that did affect the font. However, let us return back to topic in hands.
It was only meant to be a joke, that maybe you had lost your glasses. I use glasses myself.
What Amigas do you have now?
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The only choice for X1000 was the Xenon CPU from IBM, everything else was going to cost way too much.
The Xenon isn't a desktop CPU - it lacks some important features like branch prediction.
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Now I think about it my first 486 cost about £1800 and the printer that came with it was £500. I didn't mind at the time, it was a Blue Lightning and it played DOOM faster than anything my mates had.
I guess it's all relative. Would I pay £1800 for an X1000? Yup, if I had it. Is the price of an 040 or 060 board any better for £s per MHz? Nope, it's even worse, a lot worse.
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The Xenon isn't a desktop CPU - it lacks some important features like branch prediction.
Still codes up games faster than an any i5 setup money can buy or even Core2Duo 64bit so for pushing a mouse pointer around a screen full of icons it's fine IMO. If the 360 can stream video and run IE 9 it is good enough to run OS4 on for sure, hardly a cutting edge OS any more.
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Now I think about it my first 486 cost about £1800 and the printer that came with it was £500. I didn't mind at the time, it was a Blue Lightning and it played DOOM faster than anything my mates had.
I guess it's all relative. Would I pay £1800 for an X1000? Yup, if I had it. Is the price of an 040 or 060 board any better for £s per MHz? Nope, it's even worse, a lot worse.
Yes but in the days of £18000 486/P1s there was no £399 386 with 20" monitor etc etc so the comparison doesn't make sense today when you essentially have disposable PCs at £249 or less when on sale.
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The case design department certainly wasn't on top form that year lol
That is easily the ugliest Amiga EVER made, it makes even the melted Commodore 128 looking Amiga 500 almost nice to look at :) Looks like a rubbish 80386 tower PCm the Commodore 486 looks more Amiga than the Amiga 3000T does. Compared to the gorgeous A3000 desktop you have to ask WTF happened to classy elegant design?
You do realize that lots (and I do mean lots) of Amigoids love that case design don't you?
Just watch out for cultists in boing ball robes, they'll be after you.
For the record, I never liked the case design either. The 4000T on the other hand was rather sexy.
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Yes but in the days of £18000 486/P1s there was no £399 386 with 20" monitor etc etc so the comparison doesn't make sense today when you essentially have disposable PCs at £249 or less when on sale.
But they don't run OS4!
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Still codes up games faster than an any i5 setup money can buy or even Core2Duo 64bit so for pushing a mouse pointer around a screen full of icons it's fine IMO. If the 360 can stream video and run IE 9 it is good enough to run OS4 on for sure, hardly a cutting edge OS any more.
Yes, it can run games faster than a Core2Duo, because that's what it's designed for. Equally, a Core2Duo running an OS would run rings round the Xenon, because that's what it in turn is designed for.
Console CPUs are designed for two things only - Gaming and Video. Yes, they can run other stuff, but as anyone who ran Linux on a PS3 will say, you don't get anywhere near the speed you'd get with a similarly clocked desktop processor.
If it was possible to run a Xenon instead of a very expensive PA6T, I'm fairly sure they'd have taken it. They're not stupid, and they're not a charity trying to lose money either.
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AmigaOne X1000 is sold for 1,846.78 GBP or 2,269.62 EUR in AmigaKit. Isn't this a little bit too high for a computer?
Does this apply again to the very little market toward it kinda thing? I mean it cost $2973.05 US. With that price I can get the top of a line latest up to date gaming laptop!!
Just get the gaming laptop and dual boot AROS. Problem solved and you got the best bang for your buck.
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But they don't run OS4!
And your £1800 486 does?
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I heard that Trevor is actually absorbing he some of the cost of each AmigaOne X1000 just because he wants the computer to be a reality - so it's a subsidy for the user at Trevor's expense. Not to say it's not an expensive computer, but the expense if probaby justified with the amount of R&D and the small numbers they can potentially sell at any price point.
I coudn't ever justify a computer that expensive, but it's not fair to think that Aeon is gouging the customer.
Trevor said something about using some different components in the next version that will reduce the cost.
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I coudn't ever justify a computer that expensive, but it's not fair to think that Aeon is gouging the customer.
I believe that's never been the case except for maybe few troll extremists. It's perfectly understandable that production of hardware in such small amounts means huge costs per unit. And there's also CPU choice that ended up being not very lucky.
Though obviously it doesn't in any way change the fact that you get ridiculously overpriced hardware compared to other computing choices(power & software/price), so except hardcore Amiga hobbists noone will go for it :crazy:
Trevor said something about using some different components in the next version that will reduce the cost.
I don't think it'd be much(enough to not make it ridiculously overpriced) cheaper even with that, but only time will tell :sealed:
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I believe that's never been the case except for maybe few troll extremists. It's perfectly understandable that production of hardware in such small amounts means huge costs per unit. And there's also CPU choice that ended up being not very lucky.
Though obviously it doesn't in any way change the fact that you get ridiculously overpriced hardware compared to other computing choices(power & software/price), so except hardcore Amiga hobbists noone will go for it :crazy:
I don't think it'd be much(enough to not make it ridiculously overpriced) cheaper even with that, but only time will tell :sealed:
This is what I have in the future for collectable reason: https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/80-sam.html
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This is what I have in the future for collectable reason: https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/80-sam.html
Looks pretty cool :pint:. What brand of ATX PSU does it have inside(if you know)? It instantly made me wonder why does it have a 500W one if it'd be perfectly satisfied with a good quality power box delivering half or even less of that.
So seeing the 500W just for sake of numbers makes me suspicious :razz:
Edit: I wrote "half or less"? Damn, I meant tenth or less. It's just horribly inefficient that way =/
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IIRC, also C=USA is selling some "Amiga" for about 3000USD.
But that is a 400USD x86 PC that is branded and sold for hefty price tag.
x1000 is expensive but it at least is slightly different than the standard and runs PPC OSs.
(also for me x1000 is too pricey... time will tell if I one day upgrade to SAM460. For A-Eon next mid range product it would seem they plan to use quadcore e500mc based chip @ 1.5Ghz while also considering 2+Ghz e5500 based options (x1000 successor) but no new mortherboard during next year from A-Eon is the official info (kind of).)
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And your £1800 486 does?
Perhaps you should re-read my posts as I have no idea whatsoever as to the reason why you would ask me such a question. But, I'll still answer it anyway.
No, of course not, Sam's and X1000's do that.
In the days of the £1800 486 I bought an Amiga 1200 (I still have the very same A1200 now) and my 486 is long gone. My whole point in the first place was yes, it is very expensive, however, years ago I was willing to pay that sort of cash for a 486 because it did something I desired. Nowadays the X1000 costs £1800 to do something I desire. What's the difference? The fact that now I can buy a cheap PC is irrelevant, they can't run OS4. So to sum up:
Past: 486 runs DOOM and costs £1800, A1200 costs £300 and does not: I bought both because I had the cash.
Now: X1000 runs OS4 and costs £1800, PC costs £300 and does not: I got the PC because I don't have the cash but when I do I'll gladly buy an X1000 too (in the meantime I've still got 5 classic Amigas to play with anyway).
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Well, I don't have a prob with that price of the X1000 since there are alternatives available. My 250 EUR laptop from ebay may lack a certain name but is about as fast as the X1000. Why bother with that X1000 then?
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Perhaps you should re-read my posts as I have no idea whatsoever as to the reason why you would ask me such a question. But, I'll still answer it anyway.
No, of course not, Sam's and X1000's do that.
In the days of the £1800 486 I bought an Amiga 1200 (I still have the very same A1200 now) and my 486 is long gone. My whole point in the first place was yes, it is very expensive, however, years ago I was willing to pay that sort of cash for a 486 because it did something I desired. Nowadays the X1000 costs £1800 to do something I desire. What's the difference? The fact that now I can buy a cheap PC is irrelevant, they can't run OS4. So to sum up:
Past: 486 runs DOOM and costs £1800, A1200 costs £300 and does not: I bought both because I had the cash.
Now: X1000 runs OS4 and costs £1800, PC costs £300 and does not: I got the PC because I don't have the cash but when I do I'll gladly buy an X1000 too (in the meantime I've still got 5 classic Amigas to play with anyway).
What 5 classic Amiga do you have :)
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For 1800 quid you could buy at least 3 lenovo i7 laptops....
That's a total of 12 processors in three machines. Course the X1000 does have two, one of whichyou can actually use....
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Well, I can't yet afford one (x1000) but I want one; once I got deep into OS 4.1 on my Classic I really wanted to see what a new machine would do with it.
[As follow up on price, if someone wanted to buy one of my two A4000T's then it would cost them far more than the cost of an x1000]
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@ ACR : no one forces you to buy it ! if you can not afford, just buy a noname pc and be happy with it (but of course, it will not run AOS4).
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Well, I can't yet afford one (x1000) but I want one; once I got deep into OS 4.1 on my Classic I really wanted to see what a new machine would do with it.
[As follow up on price, if someone wanted to buy one of my two A4000T's then it would cost them far more than the cost of an x1000]
What does an Amiga 4000T cost?? I have seen 3000T to around 1000 dollars with 040 CPU and Hard disk etc.
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I hyave always said this about the Amiga, what it comes to an Amiga the price is realy sky high, when it comes to a PC the price is reasly afordable to every one.
Is it the case of well if they want it they will bloody well pay for it?
Or a case of ohhhhh well you see, we have to do this and then we gota do that, then we gota do the other thing then we gota................. so the price will by HIGH like it or not.
Why not a affordable CPU that will not cost the earth that will handle an Amiga OS?
Or will this be another excuse ohhh well we cant do that.
Sorry I dont belive a word of it, there is enough technology out there to do that.
And the price dont need to be sky high either. But its the same old thing if its Amiga then the price will be lovely and high if its a PC then it wont.
To hell with this I am runnig in circles here, its cheaper to use my AMD and Amikit.
But I wont get rid of my Amiga 1200 no matter what, so its either AMD and Amikit or pay a price thats so high I will need a jet plane to get to the top of it.
I feel better now I had a moan I aint had for for ages.
Mike.
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AmigaOne X1000 is sold for 1,846.78 GBP or 2,269.62 EUR in AmigaKit. Isn't this a little bit too high for a computer?
Does this apply again to the very little market toward it kinda thing? I mean it cost $2973.05 US. With that price I can get the top of a line latest up to date gaming laptop!!
Dont worry, is underpowered.
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Well, I don't have a prob with that price of the X1000 since there are alternatives available. My 250 EUR laptop from ebay may lack a certain name but is about as fast as the X1000. Why bother with that X1000 then?
Does your laptop run OS4? Of course it doesn't.
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@swift240
I have always said this about the Amiga, what it comes to an Amiga the price is realy sky high, when it comes to a PC the price is reasly afordable to every one.
It would be, though, wouldn't it? Millions of people buy PCs, hundreds (at best) buy Amigas - not because they're more expensive, but because there's no software for it.
Basic economies of scale: PCs = high production run = low unit cost; Amigas = low production run (owing to low demand) = high unit cost.
Is it the case of well if they want it they will bloody well pay for it?
Or a case of ohhhhh well you see, we have to do this and then we gota do that, then we gota do the other thing then we gota................. so the price will by HIGH like it or not.
Do you really think the makers of low-volume hardware want the computer to be this expensive?
Why not a affordable CPU that will not cost the earth that will handle an Amiga OS?
There already is one - the Sam 440ep. The X1000 isn't designed for this, it's designed to be the fastest computer possible at that time for people with enough cash. It's not for people who want "affordable" it's for people who want "the fastest for AmigaOS", and that meant at the time the PA6T. It's the same anywhere else - on a PC if you want the fastest you pay through the nose for it. Same on Mac. Same on everything.
Or will this be another excuse ohhh well we cant do that.
It's not an excuse. It's simply that the Amiga market is very small, and there's not much money in it. We're lucky that there's anybody at all doing anything with it.
Sorry I dont belive a word of it, there is enough technology out there to do that.
But not the right technology. Sure you can get cheap x86 CPUs but not cheap PPC CPUs (and that's an argument for another thread :) )
And the price dont need to be sky high either. But its the same old thing if its Amiga then the price will be lovely and high if its a PC then it wont.
Yes, the price does need to be high - at least if you don't want it to be a PC.
The Amiga is a niche market. It doesn't run 99.99% of software that people want to run, therefore most people don't want it. Demand is comparatively very low, therefore production runs also have to be very low.
If you're going to sell 10 million units in the first month like an Xbox or something, you can afford to produce 10 million components, but if you're only going to sell 50, you can only produce 50. That raises the unit cost for each part massively.
To hell with this I am runnig in circles here, its cheaper to use my AMD and Amikit.
I agree with that! Using commodity (i.e. PC) hardware will naturally be much cheaper because the market is so much bigger.
But I wont get rid of my Amiga 1200 no matter what, so its either AMD and Amikit or pay a price thats so high I will need a jet plane to get to the top of it.
You're right about the A1200. :) If you don't want to buy an AOS 4 machine then no-one's forcing you to.
The way you wrote your post you make it sound like the people making OS4 machines are choosing to make it expensive? Yet it's well documented that in the case of the X1000, Trevor is actually subsidising the production!
Low volume hardware will always be much much more expensive than high volume commodity hardware, that's just the way of the world.
High prices are the sacrifice you make for being in a hobby that involves low production volumes - this isn't just for Amigas, it's for any hobby which involves low volume production runs.
The alternative is to do it the CUSA way - just take a cheap PC and stick an "Amiga" sticker on it and call it an Amiga.... but I'd much rather pay more and get something that is designed for and runs AmigaOS.
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What 5 classic Amiga do you have :)
A500, A500+, A1200 (my first Amiga) and two CD32's. I have another A500 and an A1200 mobo that I need to get around to looking at at some point too, the A500 didn't boot and the A1200 has no rom's but I haven't had time to do anything about it.
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Well, I don't have a prob with that price of the X1000 since there are alternatives available. My 250 EUR laptop from ebay may lack a certain name but is about as fast as the X1000. Why bother with that X1000 then?
Because it's the fastest OS4 machine money can buy.
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For 1800 quid you could buy at least 3 lenovo i7 laptops....
That's a total of 12 processors in three machines. Course the X1000 does have two, one of whichyou can actually use....
A valid exercise in basic mathematics but ultimately irrelevant as none of them run OS4. If you sell two of them you could install AROS on the remaining one and buy a SAM for MorphOS and OS4 of course. That would be far more fun IMHO.
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@swift240
It would be, though, wouldn't it? Millions of people buy PCs, hundreds (at best) buy Amigas - not because they're more expensive, but because there's no software for it.
Basic economies of scale: PCs = high production run = low unit cost; Amigas = low production run (owing to low demand) = high unit cost.
Do you really think the makers of low-volume hardware want the computer to be this expensive?
There already is one - the Sam 440ep. The X1000 isn't designed for this, it's designed to be the fastest computer possible at that time for people with enough cash. It's not for people who want "affordable" it's for people who want "the fastest for AmigaOS", and that meant at the time the PA6T. It's the same anywhere else - on a PC if you want the fastest you pay through the nose for it. Same on Mac. Same on everything.
It's not an excuse. It's simply that the Amiga market is very small, and there's not much money in it. We're lucky that there's anybody at all doing anything with it.
But not the right technology. Sure you can get cheap x86 CPUs but not cheap PPC CPUs (and that's an argument for another thread :) )
Yes, the price does need to be high - at least if you don't want it to be a PC.
The Amiga is a niche market. It doesn't run 99.99% of software that people want to run, therefore most people don't want it. Demand is comparatively very low, therefore production runs also have to be very low.
If you're going to sell 10 million units in the first month like an Xbox or something, you can afford to produce 10 million components, but if you're only going to sell 50, you can only produce 50. That raises the unit cost for each part massively.
I agree with that! Using commodity (i.e. PC) hardware will naturally be much cheaper because the market is so much bigger.
You're right about the A1200. :) If you don't want to buy an AOS 4 machine then no-one's forcing you to.
The way you wrote your post you make it sound like the people making OS4 machines are choosing to make it expensive? Yet it's well documented that in the case of the X1000, Trevor is actually subsidising the production!
Low volume hardware will always be much much more expensive than high volume commodity hardware, that's just the way of the world.
High prices are the sacrifice you make for being in a hobby that involves low production volumes - this isn't just for Amigas, it's for any hobby which involves low volume production runs.
The alternative is to do it the CUSA way - just take a cheap PC and stick an "Amiga" sticker on it and call it an Amiga.... but I'd much rather pay more and get something that is designed for and runs AmigaOS.
I AGREE with you 100% in everything you said, 100%!!!
That is why I am getting Sam440, it is like buying an Amiga 1200 instead of the A4000T for example. The system never changed in the way Amiga distribute it's machines, just the motherboard and software changed that is all.
That is why there was an Amiga 500, 500+, 600 and 1200. For people who could not afford A2000, 3000, and the 4000.
By the way I am not getting the SAM yet, not until I am done with my A1200 modification and seal it. Need to get the apollo 1260, get the FastIDE from AmigaKit, and get the WiFi working, upgrade the HD to 500 GB (so it can hold lots of movies for me) and update the filesystem and upgrade the OS on it with all the boingball updates.
When it is finished, then I will get SAM, then I have finalized all my Amiga hardware collections, what is left is put into software and not hardware.
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That is why I am getting Sam440, it is like buying an Amiga 1200 instead of the A4000T for example. The system never changed in the way Amiga distribute it's machines, just the motherboard and software changed that is all.
That is why there was an Amiga 500, 500+, 600 and 1200. For people who could not afford A2000, 3000, and the 4000.
That's the attitude. Truth is, I'll probably end up with a SAM too because I doubt if my patience will hold up whilst I save up for an X1000. Then again, I could put an external floppy drive on ebay for £1800 and see if anyone buys it. ;)
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Of course they want it to be expensive!. If it wasn't the case they would have released moana, but instead, you have to buy an overpriced board.
@swift240
Do you really think the makers of low-volume hardware want the computer to be this expensive?
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Dropping Moana was nothing to do with price.
If they'd let Moana out then we'd still be stuck with Macs with stuff like PCI and AGP, as there'd be NO new hardware, even for those who wanted it.
It was necessary to stop Moana as it was in the wrong direction... that of new Amigas in hardware as well as software.
Why would they want it to be expensive? It's not in their interest to be expensive, they make very little money off it. They want it to be cheap so that more people buy it to increase numbers of users.
When you see the OS4 people driving Ferraris, then you can accuse them of deliberately pricing high, but I assure you... it's not going to happen on the small profit margins these guys have.
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Does your laptop run OS4? Of course it doesn't.
Well, no. And I don't miss it.Quite the contrary: I have a very good and pretty matured alternative amigaish OS for that machine that runs all my old 68k legacy software OS-natively as well as quite some new software. I think it's just cool. But I understand that there are some ppl who prefer OS4 - but those have to deal with the limited hardware offers. Complaining isn't leading forward though. Deal with it or look for alternatives.
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@zylesea
Exactly, there is no compelling reason to go to OS4.1, all the Amiga software I run is classic which is happy in a classic machine or Amiga Forever (which uses the same emulator for classic that OS4.1 does). Most of the new 4.1 apps are ports of Linux open source software. So what do I need the Apple chip in the X1000 for?
I can program an XMOS microprocessor better using a USD99 board on a PC than I can on the X1000.
Now what might be interesting is to pick up the abandoned PearPC code and try to make an emulator for 4.1, but I just don't have the programming skills for that....
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...ultimately irrelevant as none of them run OS4...
which is one of those strange justifications os4 always post. it looks like must be most fun to run operating system as such. sit in front of it and lookt at it till it crashes. because there is almost no native software for this so called operating system. all there is come from amiga (68k), linux and morphos, and in each case you will find either faster or cheaper solution to run the software on the system it originates from. perhaps even both if we exclude 68k.
Because it's the fastest OS4 machine money can buy.
thats like buying a fastest car on earth there is no fuel for, and pushing it around the block every sunday so that people may see. its entirely either ego or items collecting issue. may be some need that.
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@wawrzon
there is tons of native OS4 software. enough with the gratuitous bashing, please.
@thread
guys, this thread is starting to head downhill rather fast. please keep your comments in line with the original intention of the OP. this thread isn't a place to settle scores. we've got plenty of those already. :griping:
-- eliyahu
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there is tons of native OS4 software.
digital universe, sketchbook and filer.
... forgot the softsynth util from lyle.
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Personally, I'd very much like to own an Amiga OS 4.1 computer.
Not because of the software that is already available but for the software I and others can port to it.
It seems like a rather pleasent market with very few, if any, competition. This alone probably makes it more fun to code than for say Windows, iOS or Android, where there are hundreds of thousands of new apps every year.
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@Blinx123
AmigaOS 4 is my favourite platform for coding by far. The advances made to the API since 3.x are very useful, and really help. They've done some very good work under the hood that the average user doesn't see, but as a developer I definitely see. I've also coded for Windows (gurrrrgggghhhh) and Android (not too bad, but a bit idiosyncratic at times - and you have to use Java). Not used iOS.
If you like developing stuff, I can thoroughly recommend OS4, but you may want to get a little Sam as a taster before taking the plunge on the expensive ones.
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@spirantho
Thanks for the input.
Yea. I'll most likely go with a SAM first.
I still got high hopes that, some day, someone will port AmigaOS 4.1 to the PowerMac G5, since this is the next piece of hardware I'll be getting (hopefully, the MorphOS bounty has been finished by someone by then).
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Well, no. And I don't miss it.Quite the contrary: I have a very good and pretty matured alternative amigaish OS for that machine that runs all my old 68k legacy software OS-natively as well as quite some new software. I think it's just cool. But I understand that there are some ppl who prefer OS4 - but those have to deal with the limited hardware offers. Complaining isn't leading forward though. Deal with it or look for alternatives.
I've got no problem with that, choice is what it's all about. Are you using MorphOS or AROS btw? Just asking out of curiosity.
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@spirantho
I still got high hopes that, some day, someone will port AmigaOS 4.1 to the PowerMac G5, since this is the next piece of hardware I'll be getting.
I still got high hopes that I'll see an OS4 netbook one day, some news from Hyperion on that front would be nice.
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@zylesea
Exactly, there is no compelling reason to go to OS4.1, all the Amiga software I run is classic which is happy in a classic machine or Amiga Forever (which uses the same emulator for classic that OS4.1 does). Most of the new 4.1 apps are ports of Linux open source software. So what do I need the Apple chip in the X1000 for?
I can program an XMOS microprocessor better using a USD99 board on a PC than I can on the X1000.
Now what might be interesting is to pick up the abandoned PearPC code and try to make an emulator for 4.1, but I just don't have the programming skills for that....
There is no compelling reason for you to go to OS 4.1, but you can't speak for others. It is a great OS in the Amiga tradition. And if I enjoy it on my Classic and would love to run it on an x1000, then that is my prerogative. There are many type of Amiga users out there and let us decide what we want. :)
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Think I'l buy two haha
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Perhaps you should re-read my posts as I have no idea whatsoever as to the reason why you would ask me such a question. But, I'll still answer it anyway.
No, of course not, Sam's and X1000's do that.
In the days of the £1800 486 I bought an Amiga 1200 (I still have the very same A1200 now) and my 486 is long gone. My whole point in the first place was yes, it is very expensive, however, years ago I was willing to pay that sort of cash for a 486 because it did something I desired. Nowadays the X1000 costs £1800 to do something I desire. What's the difference? The fact that now I can buy a cheap PC is irrelevant, they can't run OS4. So to sum up:
Past: 486 runs DOOM and costs £1800, A1200 costs £300 and does not: I bought both because I had the cash.
Now: X1000 runs OS4 and costs £1800, PC costs £300 and does not: I got the PC because I don't have the cash but when I do I'll gladly buy an X1000 too (in the meantime I've still got 5 classic Amigas to play with anyway).
Lets see... your £300 PC can still run DOOM and your £300 Amiga is not less useful than it was 20 years ago... right? ;-)
(I am just pulling your leg.)
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@Blinx123
AmigaOS 4 is my favourite platform for coding by far. The advances made to the API since 3.x are very useful, and really help. They've done some very good work under the hood that the average user doesn't see, but as a developer I definitely see.
But that's also true for AROS or MorphOS. All these systems go far beyond 3.1. I don't say OS4 is a particular bad choice, but it isn't the only choice. There are actauilly alternatives. The Amiga (in the sense of 68k Amiga by Commodore) heritage consists of OS4, MorphOS and AROS.
I've also coded for Windows (gurrrrgggghhhh) and Android (not too bad, but a bit idiosyncratic at times - and you have to use Java). Not used iOS.
When I coded or Windows I also somehow thought it was a pain, but then again support is just brilliant. If you have a question or look for code snippets it always easy to get help. That's quite attractive, especially for the occasional programmer that I am.
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I've got no problem with that, choice is what it's all about. Are you using MorphOS or AROS btw? Just asking out of curiosity.
I use MorphOS (Mac mini, Powerbook and Efika). A good share of a particular OS preference is probably what you are used to. The "NG" systems aren't really new today and many of us chose a system long ago. I am using MorphOS for more than ten years now - soon it wil surpass my Amiga 68k user time (main system from 1989-2002).
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To hell with this I am runnig in circles here, its cheaper to use my AMD and Amikit.
Who is stopping you ?
Don't forget to enjoy your hobbies, I am.
Staf.
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Hobby? :mad:
Amiga's rock my universe! :)
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But that's also true for AROS or MorphOS. All these systems go far beyond 3.1. I don't say OS4 is a particular bad choice, but it isn't the only choice. There are actauilly alternatives. The Amiga (in the sense of 68k Amiga by Commodore) heritage consists of OS4, MorphOS and AROS.
When I coded last for AROS and MorphOS, I did find things were missing that I took for granted in OS4 - and it made me realise how much OS4 had improved on things.
However, I have a lot more experience with OS4, and I didn't have the time to look into other options for MorphOS and AROS. Hence my own experience isn't a fair judgement. Therefore I say that OS4 is an improved OS only in comparison to OS3, not to AROS or MOS. In other words, I'm not trying to "one-up" against MOS and AROS, I'm just commenting on what I know better, which in this case is AmigaOS 4.
I think that's clear now? :)