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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: CritAnime on December 03, 2012, 08:01:56 AM

Title: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: CritAnime on December 03, 2012, 08:01:56 AM
I am looking at my Miggy 1200 and wondering if I really need to upgrade to 3.1 roms. What real world advantages will I actually get over using the roms I already have in the system?

I am only going to be gaming and learning to program. So is it actually a necessity to own them. I may buy an accelerator at some point too so I can play some of the Doom clones.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: Bamiga2002 on December 03, 2012, 08:07:55 AM
Just upgrade and STFU! :D

OK more seriously if you're using 3.0 roms there's no real need for you to upgrade to 3.1 if you play games/program. You can also use WB 3.1 with 3.0 roms. But you'll lose bragging rights without 3.1 roms ;)
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: CritAnime on December 03, 2012, 08:13:48 AM
I was always hounded by a friend that you needed 3.1 roms to use workbench 3.1. I knew this wasn't the case but I just had to check lol. To be honest it's only because I am installing classic workbench to a CF to eventually go into my system when I get a indi aga that I queried it.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: smf on December 03, 2012, 09:00:31 AM
I use softkicking on all my Amigas that are running os3.x so for me there's no need at all for 3.1 roms.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: freqmax on December 03, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
Perhaps when programming there might be some libraries that has changed with different versions? different headers or API.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: itix on December 03, 2012, 10:10:31 AM
Quote from: freqmax;717276
Perhaps when programming there might be some libraries that has changed with different versions? different headers or API.


Kickstart 3.1 only adds one new function to graphics.library and new nonvolatile.library used by very few CD32 games. Other than that nothing has really changed from programmer POV.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: paul1981 on December 03, 2012, 12:24:46 PM
Quote from: CritAnime;717269
I am looking at my Miggy 1200 and wondering if I really need to upgrade to 3.1 roms. What real world advantages will I actually get over using the roms I already have in the system?

I am only going to be gaming and learning to program. So is it actually a necessity to own them. I may buy an accelerator at some point too so I can play some of the Doom clones.


So to summarise for you, there's absolutely no need to buy 3.1 Roms as you can softkick 3.1 if you'd like 3.1.
When I got my Apollo1240 with FastATA controller, it didn't work at all with 3.0 Roms...it hung on a black screen at startup - so I had no choice but to upgrade to 3.1. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been any need to upgrade for me.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: spaceman88 on December 03, 2012, 12:57:28 PM
Quote from: CritAnime;717269
I am looking at my Miggy 1200 and wondering if I really need to upgrade to 3.1 roms. What real world advantages will I actually get over using the roms I already have in the system?

I am only going to be gaming and learning to program. So is it actually a necessity to own them. I may buy an accelerator at some point too so I can play some of the Doom clones.


If you use some accelerators (like my microbiotics 1230) the extra memory will be automatically added instead of having to add a command to the startup seq. that will reboot the 1200. Not a big deal, but it helped my boot times.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: Tripitaka on December 03, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
I only upgraded my roms because of a dodgy pin on my old 3.0's but I didn't need 3.1 in all honesty.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: motrucker on December 03, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Gawd there are a lot of cheap skates around here!
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: desiv on December 03, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
3.1 also "upgrades" the pcmcia library to protect from possible memory overlap issues.
End result, with RAM cards (and a very few accelerators) with memory over 4M, PCMCIA is disabled.

desiv
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: Lurch on December 03, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
Craziness, 3.1 ROM's are so last week. 3.9 ROMs or nothing is the way to go :-)
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: Bamiga2002 on December 03, 2012, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: Lurch;717320
Craziness, 3.1 ROM's are so last week. 3.9 ROMs or nothing is the way to go :-)

"3.9 ROMs" is a wide expression with all those different modules and their combinations :razz:
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: Lurch on December 03, 2012, 06:11:28 PM
Quote from: Bamiga2002;717322
"3.9 ROMs" is a wide expression with all those different modules and their combinations :razz:


LOL True, but it does sound cooler ;-)
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: paul1981 on December 03, 2012, 06:38:58 PM
For a Commodore Amiga purist, it would make sense to stick to 3.0 Roms as 3.1 I believe was never released by Commodore.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: AmigaClassicRule on December 03, 2012, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: paul1981;717326
For a Commodore Amiga purist, it would make sense to stick to 3.0 Roms as 3.1 I believe was never released by Commodore.


So you could  do everything in Rom 3.0 like Rom 3.1?
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: MelbourneBen on December 04, 2012, 03:17:15 AM
Quote from: paul1981;717326
For a Commodore Amiga purist, it would make sense to stick to 3.0 Roms as 3.1 I believe was never released by Commodore.


But didn't Commodore write 3.1 before they went bump?
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: Methuselas on December 04, 2012, 06:49:07 AM
My old 3.1 kit was made by VillageTronic.

I'm also curious as to why H&P never released 3.9 roms?
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: stefcep2 on December 04, 2012, 11:54:51 AM
3.1 seemed more stable and faster.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: Bamiga2002 on December 04, 2012, 12:30:32 PM
The question here could be? "Why NOT upgrade to 3.1?"
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: paul1981 on December 04, 2012, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;717345
So you could  do everything in Rom 3.0 like Rom 3.1?

Yes, except run OS3.5 or 3.9. But remember that you can softkick 3.1 if required.
Title: Re: Much need for 3.1?
Post by: desiv on December 04, 2012, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: Bamiga2002;717437
The question here could be? "Why NOT upgrade to 3.1?"
The answer might be: "Because it doesn't add anything the user needs to do what they want to do."

:-)

desiv