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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Digiman on November 10, 2012, 02:27:11 AM
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And also somehow picked up the bitterness of Doomy (or whatever that singing retard is called) sadly :(
The scene seems dead because unlike other retro platforms there doesn't really seem to be anyone pushing the old dog as far as homebrew games go, everything is of PD/Acorn Archimedes quality which has a whiff of cheapness to it. Did everyone else who could code technically impressive games just give up like me too?
It just seems like such a struggle these days to replace broken machines or find certain things that nobody bothers to re-manufacture and there are just so many really questionable decisions going on with hardware projects.
So for me, I think it's time to finally let go of my stuff on pi$$-bay. Amiga was great, Amiga 1000 will ALWAYS be the best computer EVER launched (in the same way Ayrton Senna will always be the most talented Formula 1 driver despite being dead 2 decades) BUT it's time to end this chapter of my life.
It's been a pleasure talking to some of you, was even great fun working on a game for the old girl too for a while back, I just don't have $$ to invest in this AND the other 60 or so machines I collect (most of which are also going soon enough).
See you in another life brother :)
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No, don't call it quits. Just hibernate for a bit until the mood strikes you again. If you get rid of all your gear you'll regret it later!
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Amen Matt and great advice! Amiga stuff isn't going down in value, it's only going up year after year - so maybe hang on to it and see how you feel down the road.
BTW: just picked up a CD32 (again, since my original one I sold in '96) and am having a blast with it. This is after I vowed I could care less about AGA machines, so you see? The interest may wane or take you in different directions sometimes, but there's lots left to discover or rekindle with Amiga sooner or later. :)
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I whole heartedly agree with Matt and 2600. At least keep one complete system, and the good software you have. Things change.
I was ready to throw in the towel not to long ago, but I am glad I didn't.
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Yup I would hold on to at least one miggy if I were you. every house needs a miggy.
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The only thing I have of any notable value is my MIB A1000 from 86, one of which went for nearly £300 on a regular [pe]e-bay auction this week, which I will keep with the original Digi-View I eventually found by chance.
Not really got much use for a stack of 2000/500/600 miggys which need parts like m/b or floppy drives or my not very well looked after originally purchased C= A1200 on launch day etc and I rarely play the real games none of which are the ones that people go nuts for and spend £100s on.
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It's only dead if you let it be. The day the last of us gives up on the Amiga is the day the Amiga will finally die. If you feel you need to take a break, by all means, do so, but if your concern is for the state of the community, bailing isn't going to help that.
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If you got a lot of bitterness you need to take a break.
I personally don't care for retro Amiga scene. I'm staying in because we are a niche platform. There is plenty of development going on for AROS.
There is no reason to stay with the fanboys that are making you miserable. Admitting you get a kick out Windows or Linux can sometimes lead to insults.
If you looked at two stalled projects the Walker 030 A1200 replacement and the Boxer (which got slowed down by AGA and PCI implementation) there are good things about Amiga, instead of seeing the negatives that happened.
Of course the negatives really rub you up the wrong way!
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Some of us are pushing the old girl very hard....
Curse Of Monkey Island running in AGA mode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WIOpQ2Qv6Q&feature=youtu.be)
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Yeah, don't go away, or get rid of all of your Amigas...just take a break. I kinda got a little burned out, then, I got into Apple II's, buying an enhanced IIe, and a IIgs. I've played around with them a lot, and although I really like them, it made me appreciate my Amigas that much more. You don't really appreciate how far ahead of their time they were, until you play around with the competition of the time. I get enjoyment out of trying to do new things on old computers, and, my friends make a joke out of it, but it relaxes me and is a challenge. By all means step away, if you need to, but like others said, you will regret it if you get rid of your gear. Hope you stay with us for a long time...Amigans are a great group of people.
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Amen to everyone encouraging you to hibernate for a while. I believe the problem is not external forces but rather internal: you may have indeed lost your mojo.
I remember when I was six I complained about how one of the games we had for the TI sucked and should have some feature. My dad's buddy says to me, if you think you have a better idea then do it. So I over the next couple of months I wrote my first game in TI BASIC. It was slow but it was awesome, IMNSHO. In later years my mojo for the TI died off as I moved over to the Commodore 64, then the Amiga (the later which I never had the time to learn to program, to my lament.) Last year I had a bug bite me in the ass and I pulled out some of my old TI programs to start a rewriting and fixing, even converting from BASIC to ML.
My point is, if you really have the underlying want and you can take the time, sometimes you have to feed your own mojo. If everyone depended upon other people to be involved to encourage their own involvement, nothing would ever succeed. If you're a talented programmer and you believe in the spirit of Amiga, then stay with it, throw in, and be your own trailblazer. While there might not be others working at your level, at least you can support a community of people who are not at your level and appreciate what you do.
Besides, keeping these old machines running and back-porting modern features and capabilities is a bit of mental masturbation that a lot of us crave, and I suspect you'll have a difficult time keeping your hands off that stick.
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I'm warning you. If you give up the faith, i will smash my Amiga into tiny little pieces! :madashell:
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Just Lol. I joined Amibay 4 weeks ago to sell my A1200 and the result is............I now have Two A1200s bought expansions, OS4.1 modded them....Blah Blah.... so yeah I know how you feel Lol
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Just Lol. I joined Amibay 4 weeks ago to sell my A1200 and the result is............I now have Two A1200s bought expansions, OS4.1 modded them....Blah Blah.... so yeah I know how you feel Lol
Sound familiar.:crazy:
Got an A1200 a few months ago, just for fun to play some of my old games.
The psu of my old a500 was broke so the 1200 was an easy replacement.
Well, that was three months ago, in the mean time my amiga 1200 has a new MB, Floppy drive, HDD and an brand new aca1232 accelerator card.:crazy:
Still want a flickerfixer, cdrom drive and a pcmcia networkcard.
with other words, i'm hooked up with the amiga, i love it.
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Sound familiar.:crazy:
Got an A1200 a few months ago, just for fun to play some of my old games.
The psu of my old a500 was broke so the 1200 was an easy replacement.
Well, that was three months ago, in the mean time my amiga 1200 has a new MB, Floppy drive, HDD and an brand new aca1232 accelerator card.:crazy:
Still want a flickerfixer, cdrom drive and a pcmcia networkcard.
with other words, i'm hooked up with the amiga, i love it.
Yeah once an Amigan.....@marcel got one of the ACA1232s man they are the dogs.
Thats whats great about our miggys they were designed future proof !
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I lost interest in the legacy Amiga systems when I realized it would cost me damned near 2x *now* to rebuild my old fave A4000 compared to when I had it in the mid 90's. The prices are just extortionate and old hardware is not getting any more reliable. I sunk about 1000e into a PPC A1200 with a BVision only to find out it was a jumbled together crashfest trainwreck. Damned near unusable really, a pile of wires draped over each other, running a cobbled together OS full of crappy patches and apps pulled from shareware and PD (3.9). Not a fan of 3.9, heh.
Switched to a Mini ITX socket 775 based PC that boots directly into WB 3.1 and runs faster than my fastest real Amiga ever ran, quiet as a churchmouse. The size of a kleenex box.
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What about Amiga NG? What's the situation with Amiga OS4.1? I would love to get a machine to run OS4.1 but am I correct when saying that development is very, very slow, if at all?
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I am very happy with my SAM 440/OS 4 machine, tbh. I've been coding on it lately (concerting old 68k software to native PPC) and it's a real treat to develop for.
As far as being slow developmentally, there's been 5 update packs in the 4 years I've owned it. None being revolutionary really, just fixes and evolutionary. Legacy/emulation got a bit shot in the arm a few updates ago, as the OS now comes with fairly seamless 68k emulation and it comes with ROM's.
Main problem with OS4 machines is the high cost of entry. MOS is the clear winner when it comes to "bang for your buck" with the NG platforms.
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I lost interest in the legacy Amiga systems when I realized it would cost me damned near 2x *now* to rebuild my old fave A4000 compared to when I had it in the mid 90's. The prices are just extortionate and old hardware is not getting any more reliable. I sunk about 1000e into a PPC A1200 with a BVision only to find out it was a jumbled together crashfest trainwreck. Damned near unusable really, a pile of wires draped over each other, running a cobbled together OS full of crappy patches and apps pulled from shareware and PD (3.9). Not a fan of 3.9, heh.
Switched to a Mini ITX socket 775 based PC that boots directly into WB 3.1 and runs faster than my fastest real Amiga ever ran, quiet as a churchmouse. The size of a kleenex box.
When you have a hobby, where old stuff is involved, you know spare parts will become expensive. Especially when it's "very" popular old stuff.
It's simply a matter of supply and demand.
For example , so called teacup taillights for my 77' mazda 818, will cost me near 1200 aus dollars, just because they where made only one year and for the japanese marked only. Back here in the netherlands i can buy a complete car for that kind of money.
just want to say, hobby's always cost you a lot of money.
ps. nothing will be the same as the real thing. The output on your screen may be the same, but it wil never give you the same feeling of a real amiga.
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@ DigiMan
If you've lost your passion for your hobby take a break from it for a while. I don't recommend selling any gear that's hard to find nowadays or you have an emotional connection too as I sold some stuff 10 years ago and still regret it.
Perhaps try out some NG gear & might reignite your passion for the classics.
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I am very happy with my SAM 440/OS 4 machine, tbh. I've been coding on it lately (concerting old 68k software to native PPC) and it's a real treat to develop for.
As far as being slow developmentally, there's been 5 update packs in the 4 years I've owned it. None being revolutionary really, just fixes and evolutionary. Legacy/emulation got a bit shot in the arm a few updates ago, as the OS now comes with fairly seamless 68k emulation and it comes with ROM's.
Main problem with OS4 machines is the high cost of entry. MOS is the clear winner when it comes to "bang for your buck" with the NG platforms.
Do you think I should go for a Sam440 or spend extra and get a Sam460 instead? Also, I have no interest in MOS :/
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Some of us are pushing the old girl very hard....
Curse Of Monkey Island running in AGA mode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WIOpQ2Qv6Q&feature=youtu.be)
Just checked your video. Nice!
Regarding your complaints about hard drive speed, I'm getting more than double, possibly tripple your hard drive speed on my 060/80 with FastATA. Check out my gallery: http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3721
Can't say I've got around to using ScummVM yet, as I have lots of other Amiga projects at the moment, but I'll definitely be trying it out at first opportunity. ;)
Keep up the good work mate.
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Just checked your video. Nice!
Regarding your complaints about hard drive speed, I'm getting more than double, possibly tripple your hard drive speed on my 060/80 with FastATA. Check out my gallery: http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3721
Can't say I've got around to using ScummVM yet, as I have lots of other Amiga projects at the moment, but I'll definitely be trying it out at first opportunity. ;)
Keep up the good work mate.
Hiya,
Yep I was thinking about changing my IDeFix Express over to FastATA but they are such a horrible bit of hardware to work with that I'm trying to hold out for Jens to release his new SATA based IdeFix Express which should be very special.
Your setup should run ScummVM AGA very nicely, you should give it a whirl.
Now I'm starting work on NetSurf AGA, that should keep me busy for a while ;)
Like I said, the Classic scene is not dead. New software continues to be written the pushes the hardware and thanks to people like Jens new hardware is also being developed. In a lot of ways the Classic scene is more active than the NG scene(s) and certainly more interesting to people like me.
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You'd be far happier with the 460, Nostromo. The price difference isn't terribly great between it and the 440's and the 460 performs far better.
I find my 440ep sufficient for what I personally do on it, but if you were to throw multimedia, rendering or gaming at it you'd find it to be terribly anemic.
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You'd be far happier with the 460...
Definitely the minimum you'd want.
And there are still some X1000s available if you want something that has CPU power comparable to what the MorphOS community has had lately.
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Switched to a Mini ITX socket 775 based PC that boots directly into WB 3.1 and runs faster than my fastest real Amiga ever ran, quiet as a churchmouse. The size of a kleenex box.
This is probably the best option, Have a similar setup with a midi tower but have seriously thought about an itx setup, even a case without an optical drive would be cool :-)
Hmm, have thought hard about selling my a500 but just can't do it, but with the hassles in keeping it going might put it in a box.
Got me thinking again Duce :-)
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Do you think I should go for a Sam440 or spend extra and get a Sam460 instead? Also, I have no interest in MOS :/
I'll give you the same advice I left you at aw.net, go with the Sam460/AmigaOne 500 especially now that you can gain a free PCI slot and use the latest Radeon HD cards.
I sold my Samflex@800 over a year ago and even though it was a quick & reliable board to run OS4.1 it needed a few hundred more Mhz to smoothly run some AGA game via E-UAE, play videos, render dwgs in Blender/Lightwave quicker etc.
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I'm not slamming on the guys that prefer "the real McCoy". There's a lot of charm in the old legacy Amiga systems, that's for sure. Charm you'll never really get from an emulation machine if what you are after is an old timey, full fledged hands on experience with an original Amiga.
I simply got sick of frittering around with 20 year old hardware, hardware that took up too much space, was too cobbled together. I found it far easier just to throw a Mini ITX machine together, and I picked up a Corsair K90 mechanical keyboard to give me the old time clicky experience.
Lurch, case I used for my Mini ITX build is neat - sort of reminds me of the Walker case in a vague way:
http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=2102&fid=23
My rig has XP installed but I've got it setup so it boots directly into WB 3.1, never see the Windoze side at all unless you need to. Emulation isn't for everyone, but even the most dedicated Amiga guys have fun on my little M-ITX rig. It's dead silent, power efficient and absolutely tiny.
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Do you think I should go for a Sam440 or spend extra and get a Sam460 instead? Also, I have no interest in MOS :/
You know I'm going to say get both :hammer:
seriously though, I'm tossing up getting a SAM460 myself :knuddel:
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...go with the Sam460/AmigaOne 500 especially now that you can gain a free PCI slot and use the latest Radeon HD cards
THAT has to be the best selling point of the 460, its PCIe slot.
The faster processor is also nice.
Obviously, no one wanted to chime in about the X1000, but I'm quite fond of A-eon.
And Trevor has already been quoted stating that they are working with Varisys to develop additional products.-
Remember, it was Trevor that financed the Radeon HD drivers.
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@Digiman
I really think the future is AROS. It runs on industry standard equipment as well as PPC and even 68K machines.
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Obviously, no one wanted to chime in about the X1000, but I'm quite fond of A-eon.
And Trevor has already been quoted stating that they are working with Varisys to develop additional products.
I actually thought the X1000 was mentioned and yes, I'd rather have an X1000 any day. I'm typing this reply on one of mine at the moment :pint:
I'm looking forward to the next release of hardware for sure, I'm right behind Trevor and the extended business team and support them with purchases as often as I can.
It's looking very healthy for us who are inclined :banana:
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No, don't call it quits. Just hibernate for a bit until the mood strikes you again. If you get rid of all your gear you'll regret it later!
Ha-ha! That's exactly what I did - for a few years! But the Amiga is like Quake III - it'll always call you back - sooner or later!
Just put it all in the attic for a while - you'll really be glad you didn't sell it all!
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Ha-ha! That's exactly what I did - for a few years! But the Amiga is like Quake III - it'll always call you back - sooner or later!
Just put it all in the attic for a while - you'll really be glad you didn't sell it all!
You know thats the perfect analogy for it. I have moments where I look at my Miggy and think why should I be bothering with it at all. But then I give it a month or two, chill out, and then one day I just think screw it and turn it back on and BLAM it's like it's all new again.
It just takes that spark of "Oh I really fancy doing...." then it's all back, the love, the anguish and the joy.
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And also somehow picked up the bitterness of Doomy (or whatever that singing retard is called) sadly :(
The scene seems dead because unlike other retro platforms there doesn't really seem to be anyone pushing the old dog as far as homebrew games go, everything is of PD/Acorn Archimedes quality which has a whiff of cheapness to it. Did everyone else who could code technically impressive games just give up like me too?
It just seems like such a struggle these days to replace broken machines or find certain things that nobody bothers to re-manufacture and there are just so many really questionable decisions going on with hardware projects.
So for me, I think it's time to finally let go of my stuff on pi$$-bay. Amiga was great, Amiga 1000 will ALWAYS be the best computer EVER launched (in the same way Ayrton Senna will always be the most talented Formula 1 driver despite being dead 2 decades) BUT it's time to end this chapter of my life.
It's been a pleasure talking to some of you, was even great fun working on a game for the old girl too for a while back, I just don't have $$ to invest in this AND the other 60 or so machines I collect (most of which are also going soon enough).
See you in another life brother :)
Hi,
It is about time you gave up and quit, you were useless to the Amiga world anyhow, all you ever did was cry about this or cry about that.
By the way what kind of Amiga's did you say you wanted to sell, I might be interested in a few. You know the vultures will be flying around the dead carcass.
Well anyhow Digiman, I remember selling my Amiga 2000 video toaster, but then I sold it only to buy an Amiga 4000, but I still miss that A2000.
Me, Myself and I , use the Amiga for various things, like home budget, Pen Pal, VIP professional, Scalos, altering home movies off the VCR tape (you know, compared to todays camera's the old VCR camera is huge and heavy, you ought to see the looks I get when using the darn thing). So believe me there is still a lot of use in the old Amiga, and I like having it around just to show all the new kids what the Amiga did or could do, a long, long, long time ago. It is just a fun computer. Sort of like building up a hot rod out of an old Model A.
But you, you just want to go and quit, remember quitters never win, and winners never quit.
So go ahead and throw in the old Amiga, you feel bitter just because all the loonies on here are fighting over which new non Amiga system is the best. They call them the new Amiga's but to tell you the truth they couldn't keep up with an old A1000. Mac's as the new Amiga, what a crock of sheet. Aros on a PC, someday over the rainbow, dreams may come true, but using a PC as an Amiga makes me cry boo hoo.
enough said
Good Bye and Good riddance to bad company,
smerf
Did you really think I would be like the rest of them and try to convince you to stay
brah hah hah haaa.
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Well someone's got a weed stuck up their arse today :whack:
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Well someone's got a weed stuck up their arse today :whack:
Anyone shocked at Smerf at this point in the game doesn't pay enough attention around here or ever had one of those crotchety old grandpas who was cantankerous but always fun to be around.
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Lurch, case I used for my Mini ITX build is neat - sort of reminds me of the Walker case in a vague way:
http://www.antec.com/product.php?id=2102&fid=23
Have had my eye on the skeleton case for awhile, I've also been looking at
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/chassis/prodigy/ in possibly white :-)
My current setup is an old HP machine core2duo running on windows 7, but you wouldn't know that.
Have removed everything windows wise so boots like an Amiga, mouse arrows and all and then I replaced the shell with winuae. Fastest most reliable Amiga ever.
I've wasted a grand or so (over 4 to 5 years, sold 500, bought another etc) on my A500 plus and it's still not stable. Things don't work as they should. One day it's fine the next morning heartache.
Hardware is getting too old, which is a shame. Jen's is making some nice gear, but pricing wise hard for me to spend. The indi is the only thing I've purchased that's been brand new, and that was a nightmare getting to work (as I've posted in another thread) and the cost was a hard one to swallow.
The A500 never looked better though, amazng picture. I've made the mistake of selling old hardware before and I don't think I'll do that again.
But I think anymore money will go into PC hardware, stable, fast, cheap, new :-)
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Best thing to do is keep the machines you know you will have time to use.
I too use a modern PC most of the time as I am sure many do. WinUAE is more convenient, faster, runs on a laptop so I can have it anywhere. Now, also they have old games coming out on tablets and phones which is awesome. I have Alien Breed on my playbook and iPad, Bards tale, Defender of the Crown along with others. Another World on Android.
I have a Powerbook G4 running MorphOS for a "pure" Amiga experience.
But nothing takes me back to the day like sitting in front of the old hardware and kicking it on. So I have my main 1000/3000 and 4000, a 600, 1200 and 500 to take to shows. CD32, CDTV. Seems a lot but I am also looking at what i have and use and as you get older the longer you dont use something the less likely you ever will. So some of the extras I have, the other stuff I've bought (Apple, Atari) that I dont use will go soon to make the room more enjoyable.
Best bet, look at what you use and enjoy. Sell the rest of it but keep the ones you like (and some extra parts for those if you have them). Even if you put them away someplace for now. At least you know most likely you will come back to them at some point when you have time.
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Hi,
@Lurch,
LOOKAHERE NOW
Don't give up on hot rodding an Amiga, it is fun and gives you something to do when you are sick of playing new games on the PC.
Sure PC hardware is cheap and easily found, but there is no excitement in it, or should I say excitement like doing something on an Amiga.
My A4000 boots up way much faster than my 6 core amd machine running Windows 8, (used to be Vista but it changed yesterday, windows 8 pro for sale at microsoft for $39.95 a download).
Lets see I still have a CD32, and a 3000, and a 500 to try to figure out how to hot rod. Still have to build up a 5 1/2 inch disk drive for the Amiga's found the interface board on ebay, now have to figure out how to get it going. The A1000 I still have to find and build another one back up.
By the way all those pop on boards like the keyboard adapter and the indi don't be afraid to press it on, you should hear a positive click when it snaps on, other wise you will have all kinds of problems.
Well anyway don't give up the Amiga, keep looking for specials, I go to the salvation army and look found a couple there really cheap.
smerf
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I actually thought the X1000 was mentioned and yes, I'd rather have an X1000 any day. I'm typing this reply on one of mine at the moment :pint:
I'm looking forward to the next release of hardware for sure, I'm right behind Trevor and the extended business team and support them with purchases as often as I can.
It's looking very healthy for us who are inclined :banana:
Man, you have some neat toys.
If I had the spare funds, the X1000 would definitely been part of my computer nook too.
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Hi,
@Lurch,
LOOKAHERE NOW
Don't give up on hot rodding an Amiga, it is fun and gives you something to do when you are sick of playing new games on the PC.
I shall stick it out, always good to get some words of wisdom. I must admit I do tire of new games. Where's the soul gone these days? :-/
Well anyway don't give up the Amiga, keep looking for specials, I go to the salvation army and look found a couple there really cheap.
smerf
Will keep looking, I still have a dream of owning a 4000 and 3000. Slim pickings locally, A500's everywhere down here.
Will hit up a couple of op shops maybe luck will come my way. There has to be a treasure of Amiga gear hiding somewhere :-)
Thanks again Smerf :-)
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As the famously articulate and prophetic pop artist Justin Bieber says;” I will never say never!”
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Its incredible to find post like this on the different amiga forums of peopple talking about farewells, as if you were fighting for the future of the amiga or something... i dont understand.
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First, your mistake was to spend thousands on crappy and expensive PPC hardware. That will make you more bitter than anything as you have lost lots of money. Stick to the retro stuff that works.
Second, what crack pipe are you smoking from? As I want a hit. The Amiga scene is one if the best, with hardware and software projects still being released. Lots of hardware too! ACA1230, ACA1232, ACA630, ACA620, ACA500, IDE2CF, 4MB-8MB RAM for A500/1000, Zeus 68K, Indivision scan doublers, etc!
So maybe stick to these things and leave the crappy expensive Blizzard and Cyberstorm PPC stuff alone. That will surely drive anyone mad trying to get them/keep them running.
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Its incredible to find post like this on the different amiga forums of peopple talking about farewells, as if you were fighting for the future of the amiga or something... i dont understand.
Of course you don't understand. You're Finnish! Everyone knows about the strangeness of the Finnish, i mean, look at Piru! ;)
We on the otherhand have the problem of being upside down...