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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: lassie on November 02, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
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Hi
I have a Geforce 9800 GT in my PC and it has 512 MB RAM, and i have seen that some have 1024 RAM. So i want to ask if i can upgrade it to 1024 MB RAM?
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Nope sorry, some old cards use same PCB for 512MB and 1GB versions and you could solder new vram chips on there but that requires you to reflash the rom also.
But in your case and the 9800GT it is not possible sorry :(
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Many thanks :) It is a PC i just got.
It has
3.2 GHZ Dual core
4 GB RAM
Geforce 9800 GT 512 MB RAM
Windows 7
Can it play some of the new games for PC?
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Yes, with medium (- low) settings and reduced resolution.
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Yes, with medium (- low) settings and reduced resolution.
Okay do you think it will help if i buy a bigger Graphic Card with 1 or 2 GB RAM?
What do you think it will take to play with high settings
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Don't be fooled by vRAM amount, it's common for the OEM manufacturers to use slow crap cards with loads of vRAM to trick te consumer that it's a fast card, most low end cards with a lot of vRam today is not even fast enough to use 512MB vRAM.
For example, you can buy a GeForce GT 610 with 2GB vRAM but the card is slow as heck and can't use near that amount of memory for big texures in high resolutions, so it's just marketing and you wont get more speed per auto because you get more vRAM.
On the other hand if you got a fast card then more vRAM can be used but in the low/mid segment loads of vRAM is pointless.
So give me a price range you would like to spend on a new GFX card and I can show the best for the buck.
Going to high end won't do you no good because the CPU will be the bottleneck anyways.
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Don't be fooled by vRAM amount, it's common for the OEM manufacturers to use slow crap cards with loads of vRAM to trick te consumer that it's a fast card, most low end cards with a lot of vRam today is not even fast enough to use 512MB vRAM.
For example, you can buy a GeForce GT 610 with 2GB vRAM but the card is slow as heck and can't use near that amount of memory for big texures in high resolutions, so it's just marketing and you wont get more speed per auto because you get more vRAM.
On the other hand if you got a fast card then more vRAM can be used but in the low/mid segment loads of vRAM is pointless.
So give me a price range you would like to spend on a new GFX card and I can show the best for the buck.
Going to high end won't do you no good because the CPU will be the bottleneck anyways.
Is it a small CPU in it or is it a good enough CPU :)
I was thinking around 100 Euro maybe a little more
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Are there much different between DDR 2 RAM and DDR 3 RAM
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Yes, DDR3 is quite a bit faster.
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Yes, DDR3 is quite a bit faster.
Is it something i will notice when surfing the net? or is it more for bigger games /programs etc?
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Anything that's memory-intensive will benefit the most from faster memory (usually media applications like video players; I don't know where typical web browsing lies, but since I can browse fairly well on even a PC133 SDRAM system, I'm guessing it's more CPU-bound.) It's never going to hurt to have it, but depending on what you need to do it may be more cost-effective to stick with DDR2, especially if you already have a DDR2 motherboard (they're not interchangeable - I have seen some motherboards with two different kinds of memory slot, but I dunno if yours is such a thing.)
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What sort of games are you planning on playing? if it is high end then your gonna need a high end card to go with it, then theres the cpu which will more than likely bottle neck the the card and you will also need to look at the PSU and check wether or not it has enough amps on the +12v rail(s)? Can you give a full detailed lisst of the system ie what cpu, memory, psu etc...
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What sort of games are you planning on playing? if it is high end then your gonna need a high end card to go with it, then theres the cpu which will more than likely bottle neck the the card and you will also need to look at the PSU and check wether or not it has enough amps on the +12v rail(s)? Can you give a full detailed lisst of the system ie what cpu, memory, psu etc...
Hi the system is
AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 6400+ 3.20 GHZ CPU
64 Bit System
and 4 GB RAM think it is DDR2 RAM
Nvadia Geforce 9800 GT 512 MB RAM
I was thinking about playing Far Cry 2, Borderlands 1 and 2 and Mass Effect 3 and some Shooters etc :)
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I have read that i can put one more Geforce 9800 in my PC, so i have 2 graphic cards. Do you know if that is right
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If it is a SLI capable motherboard, you can put another card in it.
Bear in mind said card needs to be identical, right down to firmware, manufacturer/brand, die size, etc. Your PSU would need to be up to snuff as well.
For a 9800, SLI would be a waste IMHO. Could go out and buy a cheap 600 series card and have 10x the performance of 2 9800's. Even 2 9800's would not do well at higher resolutions and settings with those games you mentioned, they are 4+ year old graphics cards.
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If it is a SLI capable motherboard, you can put another card in it.
Bear in mind said card needs to be identical, right down to firmware, manufacturer/brand, die size, etc. Your PSU would need to be up to snuff as well.
For a 9800, SLI would be a waste IMHO. Could go out and buy a cheap 600 series card and have 10x the performance of 2 9800's. Even 2 9800's would not do well at higher resolutions and settings with those games you mentioned, they are 4+ year old graphics cards.
Hi
I can see your point, it is a almost 5 years old Card i have found out, i thought it was newer, so it will just be better to buy 1 newer/better instead :)
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Go for a Radeon HD 7770 or 6850 and you will be set, I would look at how much you can overclock the CPU with your cooler.
Using that and you can atleast run every game out there, and using that hardware and you will run Borderlands 2 in mixed mid/high settings :)
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Go for a Radeon HD 7770 or 6850 and you will be set, I would look at how much you can overclock the CPU with your cooler.
Using that and you can atleast run every game out there, and using that hardware and you will run Borderlands 2 in mixed mid/high settings :)
Many thanks mate :) There is a a very big cooler in it, the man i purchased it from, has build it himself with the best things he could get at the time. with blue led light, and 4 Air cooler. He told me he has use around 2000 Dollars on it, but Hardware goes down fast in price.
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Many thanks mate :) There is a a very big cooler in it, the man i purchased it from, has build it himself with the best things he could get at the time. with blue led light, and 4 Air cooler. He told me he has use around 2000 Dollars on it, but Hardware goes down fast in price.
Your welcome, yes new x86 hardware do go down fast ^^
I just put together a PC by old parts lying around to get as near as possible to your specs to test it out.
I used a Intel Core 2 E6300 1,87GHz, 4GB DDR2 ram and a Geforce GTX 260 GTX (about same speed as a Radeon hd 4870).
Overclocked it to 2,3GHz and teh GFX to 700MHz GPU and 1100MHz vRAM and it ran Borderlands 2 in mid/high settings @1280x1024 so a new card and some overclocking will get you far :)
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Your welcome, yes new x86 hardware do go down fast ^^
I just put together a PC by old parts lying around to get as near as possible to your specs to test it out.
I used a Intel Core 2 E6300 1,87GHz, 4GB DDR2 ram and a Geforce GTX 260 GTX (about same speed as a Radeon hd 4870).
Overclocked it to 2,3GHz and teh GFX to 700MHz GPU and 1100MHz vRAM and it ran Borderlands 2 in mid/high settings @1280x1024 so a new card and some overclocking will get you far :)
But Amiga parts do seem to hold the price :)
I just had a look at Radeon HD 7770 on Ebay it is not to expensive so i think i will go with that. Are there some places you could recommend buying from?
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If it is a SLI capable motherboard, you can put another card in it.
Bear in mind said card needs to be identical, right down to firmware, manufacturer/brand, die size, etc. Your PSU would need to be up to snuff as well.
For a 9800, SLI would be a waste IMHO. Could go out and buy a cheap 600 series card and have 10x the performance of 2 9800's. Even 2 9800's would not do well at higher resolutions and settings with those games you mentioned, they are 4+ year old graphics cards.
That is not true as long as its the same gpu and memroy size it does not matter what brand it is just as long as its the same card. I ran 2 8800gt's in SLI one card was zotac and the other BFG and worked brilliantly.
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Go for a Radeon HD 7770 or 6850 and you will be set, I would look at how much you can overclock the CPU with your cooler.
Using that and you can atleast run every game out there, and using that hardware and you will run Borderlands 2 in mixed mid/high settings :)
Do you know were i can see how much RAM the PC can takes in total? I cannot find it. Or what do you think this System can take in total RAM
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Hi
I can see your point, it is a almost 5 years old Card i have found out, i thought it was newer, so it will just be better to buy 1 newer/better instead :)
Its all good saying you will get a new card but you need to check that your psu can handle it, make sure you have enough amps on the +12v rail(s), does the case have good airflow etc.....? The last thing you want are heat problems.
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Its all good saying you will get a new card but you need to check that your psu can handle it, make sure you have enough amps on the +12v rail(s), does the case have good airflow etc.....? The last thing you want are heat problems.
He has build it himself the man i purchased it from, with the biggest Air cooler he could get, there is 4 in it, and they are huge, he said i never had to worried about it will run hot. As for the power he said it could handle a lot. I am not a expert :) So how can i check amps on it?
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Its all good saying you will get a new card but you need to check that your psu can handle it, make sure you have enough amps on the +12v rail(s), does the case have good airflow etc.....? The last thing you want are heat problems.
Yes the PSU is important, first thing to check is if he even got 6(6+2) pin connectors for PCI-E cards.
Judging from what he is saying that he got a big CPU cooler and a chassi with LEDS ill guess it's a "gaming" chassi with decent airflow.
Tho from experience both the 6850 and 7770 can run in nearly any case if you are using ref coolers that blows out the air in the back brackets. Any midi-tower case with two fan places will be sufficient enough to keep them cool and since he have a big CPU cooler he will be fine, nothing to worry about.
Ive ran a Radeon HD 7970 in a case with one front 120mm fan and one back 120mm fan + PSU outtake without any troubles in stock while I was waiting for my Cooler Master Cosmos II case and that's AMD's fastest single GPU card, sure it ran a bit hot but well under the limit.
EDIT: Saw that Lassie posted before I was done :)
He has build it himself the man i purchased it from, with the biggest Air cooler he could get, there is 4 in it, and they are huge, he said i never had to worried about it will run hot. As for the power he said it could handle a lot. I am not a expert :) So how can i check amps on it?
Check the PSU, it has a sticker showing the amps on the rails, or just simply write the PSU name and model and ill check it for you :) Any decent 400-450W will have enough AMPs for both cards I wrote as long as they are not cheepo PSUs.
One of my Folding@home machines are running a GTX 670 at full load 24/7 on a 450W PSU that has 38A on the 12v rail, people tend to read the total W and it seems people allways buy a lot bigger PSUs then they need.
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Yes the PSU is important, first thing to check is if he even got 6(6+2) pin connectors for PCI-E cards.
Judging from what he is saying that he got a big CPU cooler and a chassi with LEDS ill guess it's a "gaming" chassi with decent airflow.
Tho from experience both the 6850 and 7770 can run in nearly any case if you are using ref coolers that blows out the air in the back brackets. Any midi-tower case with two fan places will be sufficient enough to keep them cool and since he have a big CPU cooler he will be fine, nothing to worry about.
Ive ran a Radeon HD 7970 in a case with one front 120mm fan and one back 120mm fan + PSU outtake without any troubles in stock while I was waiting for my Cooler Master Cosmos II case and that's AMD's fastest single GPU card, sure it ran a bit hot but well under the limit.
EDIT: Saw that Lassie posted before I was done :)
Check the PSU, it has a sticker showing the amps on the rails, or just simply write the PSU name and model and ill check it for you :) Any decent 400-450W will have enough AMPs for both cards I wrote as long as they are not cheepo PSUs.
One of my Folding@home machines are running a GTX 670 at full load 24/7 on a 450W PSU that has 38A on the 12v rail, people tend to read the total W and it seems people allways buy a lot bigger PSUs then they need.
Hi i can seen on the back the psu is called TX650W
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Hi i can seen on the back the psu is called TX650W
Thas is a good Corsair PSU, low ripple and 52amps on the 12v rail, that PSU can run any single GPU card on the market (I would bet even most SLI/Crossfire setups).
So you got a good solid PSU so go for it :)
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Thas is a good Corsair PSU, low ripple and 52amps on the 12v rail, that PSU can run any single GPU card on the market (I would bet even most SLI/Crossfire setups).
So you got a good solid PSU so go for it :)
That is good to know :) The person i bought it from, seems like a man there will not save money on cheaper stuff. So i think it is true that he bought the best he could get at the time :)
Do you know how i can see how much RAM it can take maximum?
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That is good to know :) The person i bought it from, seems like a man there will not save money on cheaper stuff. So i think it is true that he bought the best he could get at the time :)
Do you know how i can see how much RAM it can take maximum?
Well since you have a socket AM2 CPU you most likly have the 6xx chipset and then depending on motherboard manufacturer and model (printed in white text on the middelish part of the mobo PCB) you will guaranteed have support for 8GB but odds are you can have 16GBs of RAM (if you only plan to game 8GB will be enough in dual channel, 4x 2GB sticks)
Tell me what motherboard you have, cant you find it on the motherboard download and run CPU-Z and it will tell you under the motherboard tab :)
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Well since you have a socket AM2 CPU you most likly have the 6xx chipset and then depending on motherboard manufacturer and model (printed in white text on the middelish part of the mobo PCB) you will guaranteed have support for 8GB but odds are you can have 16GBs of RAM (if you only plan to game 8GB will be enough in dual channel, 4x 2GB sticks)
Tell me what motherboard you have, cant you find it on the motherboard download and run CPU-Z and it will tell you under the motherboard tab :)
Hi again it is
M4A77 ASUS Motherboard
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Hi again it is
M4A77 ASUS Motherboard
Even better, congratulations you got a 770 chipset board, you can use 16GB ram and the best part is that you can use Phenom 2 CPUs!
The board do not have the best voltage regulators so I would stay away from overclocking past 4GHz, but if you feel like it you can boost the machine with a Phenom II x6 1090T in the future :)
You did a good deal, and you can without trouble expand the machine to be future proof :)
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Even better, congratulations you got a 770 chipset board, you can use 16GB ram and the best part is that you can use Phenom 2 CPUs!
The board do not have the best voltage regulators so I would stay away from overclocking past 4GHz, but if you feel like it you can boost the machine with a Phenom II x6 1090T in the future :)
You did a good deal, and you can without trouble expand the machine to be future proof :)
That is good to hear :) it is a very good looking machine, i could see that it was build with good stuff when i saw it :) with blue led on the side and front, and dvd burner etc, i got wireless keyboard and mouse and fujitsu flatscreen with it. and it cost 300 Dollars, is it a fair price? i know it is not new but still.
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That is good to hear :) it is a very good looking machine, i could see that it was build with good stuff when i saw it :) with blue led on the side and front, and dvd burner etc, i got wireless keyboard and mouse and fujitsu flatscreen with it. and it cost 300 Dollars, is it a fair price? i know it is not new but still.
For a complete system that is a fair price indeed :)
I myself do not like LED fans and such, i prefeer low noise fans like FD and Noctuna and cases with good space for water cooling and alot of space to work with but that's my taste :)
I am happy for you, hope it works great and you can decide what GFX card you want :)
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That is not true as long as its the same gpu and memroy size it does not matter what brand it is just as long as its the same card. I ran 2 8800gt's in SLI one card was zotac and the other BFG and worked brilliantly.
Earlier models were more forgiving with it, as are pure reference designs.
Most people don't buy the simple reference design models unless they are extremely early adopters, though. I have seen different brans work occasionally together, and does only really apply to 100% reference models, but it'd be foolish to tell this guy it WILL work. I've got two old 9800's here of different brand type, as well as 2 285's of different manufacturer that I simply know do *not* work because they are different brands. I've tried them, and they don't work in the least in SLI form together.
nVidia themseves say to only use the same manufacturer, so I'd rather not confuse people, heh.
Crossfire is a whole different animal altogether.
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For a complete system that is a fair price indeed :)
I myself do not like LED fans and such, i prefeer low noise fans like FD and Noctuna and cases with good space for water cooling and alot of space to work with but that's my taste :)
I am happy for you, hope it works great and you can decide what GFX card you want :)
Hi
I have had a look at DDR2 RAM to get 8 GB RAM with 1024 mhz will be around 200 Dollars and 16 GB RAM is around 500 Dollars. Can it be true that they cost so most?
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Hi
I have had a look at DDR2 RAM to get 8 GB RAM with 1024 mhz will be around 200 Dollars and 16 GB RAM is around 500 Dollars. Can it be true that they cost so most?
NO NO NO, take a look at komplett.dk, there you can buy 4x 2GB sticks for 800DK
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=451110
Also 4x4GB DDR2 for 1600 DK
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=346195
I do not know where you are looking for parts but you need to know the good stores :)
Komplett is a good store and is avaliable in Sweden, Norway and denmark :)
DDR2 is getting old so prices are going up.
Second hand market is a lot cheeper.
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NO NO NO, take a look at komplett.dk, there you can buy 4x 2GB sticks for 800DK
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=451110
Also 4x4GB DDR2 for 1600 DK
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=346195
I do not know where you are looking for parts but you need to know the good stores :)
Komplett is a good store and is avaliable in Sweden, Norway and denmark :)
DDR2 is getting old so prices are going up.
Second hand market is a lot cheeper.
Many thanks :) i looked at Ebay Uk for the RAM.
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NO NO NO, take a look at komplett.dk, there you can buy 4x 2GB sticks for 800DK
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=451110
Also 4x4GB DDR2 for 1600 DK
http://www.komplett.dk/k/ki.aspx?sku=346195
I do not know where you are looking for parts but you need to know the good stores :)
Komplett is a good store and is avaliable in Sweden, Norway and denmark :)
DDR2 is getting old so prices are going up.
Second hand market is a lot cheeper.
Do you know if it will work if i buy 4 GB RAM and put it in with the 4 GB that i have? I know that there are different versions of RAM
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Do you know if it will work if i buy 4 GB RAM and put it in with the 4 GB that i have? I know that there are different versions of RAM
What cofig of ram do you have now? 2x 2GB sticks? If so buy 2x 2GB sticks and it should work :) You are not in need of more then 8GB ram anyways :)
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Hi
I have had a look at DDR2 RAM to get 8 GB RAM with 1024 mhz will be around 200 Dollars and 16 GB RAM is around 500 Dollars. Can it be true that they cost so most?
Shop around for the RAM. You will be amazed at the span of prices. Lots of times I will use newegg.com to catch a sale, but not always. Check more than few places. It will pay you to check around.
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What cofig of ram do you have now? 2x 2GB sticks? If so buy 2x 2GB sticks and it should work :) You are not in need of more then 8GB ram anyways :)
How do i see what cofig the RAM has, i have tried under System but cannot find it
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@Lassie
Do you have any pics of the PC?
Would love to see what it looks :)
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@Lassie
Do you have any pics of the PC?
Would love to see what it looks :)
Hi here it is :)
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How do i see what cofig the RAM has, i have tried under System but cannot find it
You know you have a total of 4GB ram, open the case and look at the ram sticks. do you have two or four sticks in it :)
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How do i see what cofig the RAM has, i have tried under System but cannot find it
You know you have a total of 4GB ram, open the case and look at the ram sticks. do you have two or four ram sticks in it.
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You know you have a total of 4GB ram, open the case and look at the ram sticks. do you have two or four sticks in it :)
Yes of course :) there is 4x 1 RAM
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Yes of course :) there is 4x 1 RAM
4x 1GB in now, you can remove 2x of them and replace with 2x2GB sticks and get 6GB ram as long as same size are in the same channel :)
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4x 1GB in now, you can remove 2x of them and replace with 2x2GB sticks and get 6GB ram as long as same size are in the same channel :)
Now i have had time to use it, i must admit it is quite a fast machine :)
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Hi guys i have a new laptop, and yesterday i upgraded to Windows 8, but now my internet on it is so slow on Windows 8, it was 4 times faster on Windows 7. Any thoughts what it can be?
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Hi guys i have a new laptop, and yesterday i upgraded to Windows 8, but now my internet on it is so slow on Windows 8, it was 4 times faster on Windows 7. Any thoughts what it can be?
Whar web browser do you use? If IE then "internet options" -> "Connections" -> "LAN Settings" -> uncheck Automaticly detect settings and see if the response time gets better.
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Whar web browser do you use? If IE then "internet options" -> "Connections" -> "LAN Settings" -> uncheck Automaticly detect settings and see if the response time gets better.
Many thanks mate, i will do that. I dont know what to say about Windows 8 something are good, and something are bad.
And my laptop has frozen 4 times since it got installed, where i have to take out the battery, and put it back in, before it works again.
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Whar web browser do you use? If IE then "internet options" -> "Connections" -> "LAN Settings" -> uncheck Automaticly detect settings and see if the response time gets better.
I use wireless connection.
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I use wireless connection.
Same setting applies.
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Same setting applies.
Thanks :)
Have you used or have Windows 8? If so what do you think about it?
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Hi
I have a Geforce 9800 GT in my PC and it has 512 MB RAM, and i have seen that some have 1024 RAM. So i want to ask if i can upgrade it to 1024 MB RAM?
I have a couple of 9800 GT DDR 3 1mb versions. If you need them let me know
Rich
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Thanks :)
Have you used or have Windows 8? If so what do you think about it?
W8 was not my taste at all, I do not like the path Windows is going, but it is usable if you install classic shell http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/, then atleast you get a start menu and classic explorer.
Some like W8 some don't, I'm not a fan of the route, neither am I a fan of the Unity shell interface used in ubuntu nowdays but at least I got the option to switch to whatever I want in linux.
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W8 was not my taste at all, I do not like the path Windows is going, but it is usable if you install classic shell http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/, then atleast you get a start menu and classic explorer.
Some like W8 some don't, I'm not a fan of the route, neither am I a fan of the Unity shell interface used in ubuntu nowdays but at least I got the option to switch to whatever I want in linux.
I got Windows 8 a couple of weeks ago, and somethings are good and somethings are bad, it gets better each day, but i will not upgrade my others PC with Windows 8 for now :) I am happy with them having Windows 98 ( good to have to play old games ) and XP and Windows 7.
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Hello guys
Do you know where to get Ddr2 RAM to a fair price? They are for this Computer
AMD Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 6400+ 3.20 GHZ CPU
64 Bit System
It has 4 GB now, but it could use a little more.