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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: AmigaNG on October 21, 2012, 10:18:45 PM
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The news so far, mainly os4 related, but still
Warp3d support is coming on the new Radeon gfx cards.before the years out (they hope) for os4 owner who get the drivers
http://www.a-eon.com/?news=20-10-2012
Libre Office port has begun for os4, lets hope they can pull it off
http://www.a-eon.com/?news=21-10-2012
Aros is being ported to the Sam 460 boards
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news
Ps: surprised no one else has posted this on here or seems to be that interest in Amiwest, so how come amiga.org users? I know many of you are on other forums so I can kind of understand why discust topics on mulitable forums but still just found it a little odd.
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Bars and Pipes has been ported to AmigaOS 4 by Lyle Hazelwood
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actually so far im informed aros on sam series is only factual news. i guess it must have been demoed, along aros68k and the rest. both other are solely announcements as usual. funny that on amiwest as soon as it is alowed in aros steals the show completely.
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Bars and Pipes has been ported to AmigaOS 4 by Lyle Hazelwood
woah damn great news! thanks Lyle:banana:
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Libre Office port has begun for os4, lets hope they can pull it off
http://www.a-eon.com/?news=21-10-2012
That's really a lot of work. Fortunally LO doesn't need too much java.
Bars and Pipes has been ported to AmigaOS 4 by Lyle Hazelwood
You forget the softsyn he's been working on ;)
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...You forget the softsyn he's been working on ;)
well thanks that's more good news !ooh looks like i missed alot when the live stream was down:biglaugh:
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You forget the softsyn he's been working on ;)
Also his brand new MIDI app called Score.
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Bars and Pipes has been ported to AmigaOS 4 by Lyle Hazelwood
wow!!
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Hope AROS for the 460 works better than the 440 version. From start to finish that has been completely nonfunctional for me, cannot even install it.
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Hope AROS for the 460 works better than the 440 version. From start to finish that has been completely nonfunctional for me, cannot even install it.
Actually, while it might appear that "AROS stole the show",this has to be the least important announcement of those three. I mean, seriously, are you going to buy an overpriced Acube board to run AROS at 1/3 the speed you could run it on much cheaper X86 hardware?
Its sillly.
Now Warp3D support for Radeon HD cards? That's cool. Thanks Trevor.
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Actually, while it might appear that "AROS stole the show",this has to be the least important announcement of those three. I mean, seriously, are you going to buy an overpriced Acube board to run AROS at 1/3 the speed you could run it on much cheaper X86 hardware?
Its sillly.
Now Warp3D support for Radeon HD cards? That's cool. Thanks Trevor.
I guess it depends on what apps that version of AROS can run. ;)
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No one in their right mind would buy a SAM to run AROS on, but it's an added perk. Unfortunately, ever since the first release of AROS for the 440ep to just last week when I tried it last I can't even get the OS to load from the CD to even the installer mode. :/
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Ps: surprised no one else has posted this on here or seems to be that interest in Amiwest, so how come amiga.org users? I know many of you are on other forums so I can kind of understand why discust topics on mulitable forums but still just found it a little odd.
Maybe people here aren't as gullible as they are on other forums.
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woah damn great news! thanks Lyle:banana:
BnP was already ported to OS4 by Alfred J. Faust. Lyle reworked it and made it a lot better :biglaugh:
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Any news for the AOS4.x netbook? I hope the answer is yes as i would love to try AOS4 on the cheap.
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Any news for the AOS4.x netbook? I hope the answer is yes as i would love to try AOS4 on the cheap.
There's a summary of ssolie's "State of OS4" talk here:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/228597.shtml
About that netbook:
- When will you release the portable? "I don't have any additional information of releasing the portable. It's coming along, but I have no more to say than that, haha"
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Thanks Jorkany. But to be honest i would prefer an offical statement from Hyperion instead of moobunny.
PS why does he constantly say "haha"? It's creepy.
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So in summary, the news is that there is no news about the netbook.....
;)
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The news so far, mainly os4 related, but still
Warp3d support is coming on the new Radeon gfx cards.before the years out (they hope) for os4 owner who get the drivers
http://www.a-eon.com/?news=20-10-2012
Libre Office port has begun for os4, lets hope they can pull it off
http://www.a-eon.com/?news=21-10-2012
Aros is being ported to the Sam 460 boards
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news
Ps: surprised no one else has posted this on here or seems to be that interest in Amiwest, so how come amiga.org users? I know many of you are on other forums so I can kind of understand why discust topics on mulitable forums but still just found it a little odd.
I watched the Amiwest stream,but it was broken half the time, either no sound or video problems. like others have said it was either os4 or aros stuff.
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Thanks Jorkany. But to be honest i would prefer an offical statement from Hyperion instead of moobunny.
Understandable! Not sure if you've seen it but ssolie started a "clarification" thread on AWN in regards to his presentation, there's also a post there about the netbook:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36695&forum=16&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#685730
PS why does he constantly say "haha"? It's creepy.
Probably a nervous reaction to being put on the spot with no real information.
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@Kesa
The OS4 netbook was never anything but "carrot-dangling by spoon-bending", meaning they were trying to dangle a carrot in front of you by giving you an illusion of something cool happening that simply isn't there. As a result you faithfully walked their path another year. But guess what:
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/28855141.jpg)
Thanks Jorkany. But to be honest i would prefer an offical statement from Hyperion instead of moobunny.
PS why does he constantly say "haha"? It's creepy.
Look at some recording from the presentation and you will notice yourself that the moobunny post was actually a *pretty accurate* summary of the official statement from Hyperion, including the "creepiness".
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/228597.shtml
:lol:
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Look at some recording from the presentation and you will notice yourself that the moobunny post was actually a *pretty accurate* summary of the official statement from Hyperion, including the "creepiness".
Got a link to any of the videos? I don't see any on youtube or Vimeo, and the AmiWest site is down due to bandwidth exceeded (maybe they tried to host video there).
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Got a link to any of the videos? I don't see any on youtube or Vimeo, and the AmiWest site is down due to bandwidth exceeded (maybe they tried to host video there).
Too early to say. As you might imagine it takes time to adapt to a new hotel, having lost their former hotel.
Just when you learn everything you need to do to eliminate technical issues, you have to start over. And there are always surprises the first year in a new hotel...in this case not good ones.
I know that older material has been uploaded to intuitionbase, and they may do that again. Either way, I think we'll have to wait a bit longer for that info.
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dangle a carrot in front of you
also funny that he claims he has been given information about the subject last year but today not anymore. one could start conspiracy theories like he has been fired but doesnt want to admit but i rather think he has been used to spread rumors and as soon as he has fulfilled his task he has become a burden..
i mean he says literally, he has no information, which i dont want to question, as i dont think he could be a genuine liar. this means, he knows about the same what we do (being apparently a pr sort of guy)..do i have to say more?
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also funny that he claims he has been given information about the subject last year but today not anymore. one could start conspiracy theories like he has been fired but doesnt want to admit but i rather think he has been used to spread rumors and as soon as he has fulfilled his task he has become a burden..
i mean he says literally, he has no information, which i dont want to question, as i dont think he could be a genuine liar. this means, he knows about the same what we do (being apparently a pr sort of guy)..do i have to say more?
Well in the presentation summary posted on moobunny he's quoted as saying he does not work for Hyperion. This is one of the reasons I want to see the presentation video. If ssolie does not work for Hyperion, then why is he presenting for Hyperion and also claiming to be their Team Project Lead for OS4? Can anybody just say anything and have it accepted by the OS4 community? Or is Hyperion no longer involved in OS4 development?
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if he doesnt work for a company that he claims to represent.. then,well, then his word weights nothing at all. looks like post outsourcing the postal delivery, so that they can claim being innocent as soon as some credit cards go lost on the way.
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if he doesnt work for a company that he claims to represent.. then,well, then his word weights nothing at all. looks like post outsourcing the postal delivery, so that they can claim being innocent as soon as some credit cards go lost on the way.
+1
Christ, are these people ever going to learn?
@Trevor
I have a few questions to ask, which I'm hoping will be answered, but in the Amiga World, I've learned not to hold my breath.
1) Apparently you and your company (A-EON), invested a substantial monetary investment in the X1000. My question is why? That investment would have been much better spent on a partnership with ACube, by cost-reducing the Sam460. Instead, you created a new motherboard, which is superior in many ways, to the Sam460, but costs over 3 times the price and something the majority of us can't afford to spend on a "hobby." That is *NOT* cost-effective.
For you or for the rest of us.
2) We've had rumors for over a year now for a "cost-effective" netbook for OS4. While I am aware that you are not directly related to this, it's done nothing, but cause an even bigger rift in a dwindling market. Once again, my question is why? It's obvious that this "netbook" would put a major dent in sales of the X1000 and regardless of what you might think, there's no "developers" looking for "high-end, next generation Amigas", 'cos quite frankly, the previous motherboards, the A1000, Micro-A1, Sam440s, Sam460s are still having issues due to OS4, itself. I, once again, go back that the money you've invested in the X1000 would have been better spent cost-reducing a motherboard that already has been established, albeit with bugs.
3) A-Eon is stating that Warp3D drivers will (hopefully) be available before the end of the year. Once again, this is *NOT* cost-effective for you, but not from a monetary standpoint, but from an ethical one. Since the late 90's, the Amiga Community has been continually lied to, been given promises that weren't kept and many (myself included) have been out-right ripped off. If you don't have the drivers ready, *DON'T* give us a "when it's done" speech. Did you not learn anything from the Community? Didn't you learn this from 3D Realms? Don't make promises you can't keep! When the Radeon 3D drivers are completed, *THEN* tell us about it.
4) A-Eon has funded development of Libre Office. Once again, my question is why? That money would have been better spent porting WINE to AOS4, considering you gain access to applications that use the Windows API. That way, we would have had access to applications, games, etc. instead of "just" Libre Office. I could give you a list of applications that currently work in WINE on Linux, but it's pointless, 'cos you've already invested money in something the Community once again *HOPES* will get completed. Again, it feels as a waste of investment capital.
5) Finally, and I mean this with the utmost respect, but GET YOURSELF A PUBLIC RELATIONS LIASON!!!!!! You say one thing, Steven Solie says something else and the Frieden brothers grew smart and say nothing at all. Find someone that's a public speaker. One whose ready for the insipid questions they'll be asked and are prepared to give positive rebuttals, 'cos quite frankly, none of us really give a sh!t anymore.
I don't know how many times I've told you people this, even once trying to unite the Community, but you *NEVER* listen to us. You people always seem to blow off any requests we have. We ask for a cheaper, Amiga alternative and we get the X1000. When OS4 was first released, people were clamoring for a decent web browser. It took you a decade and a bounty. (Seriously? A bounty? How can you expect people to want to purchase your product, when basic, every-day use isn't even provided by the OS, itself?)
We, the Community, are your *ONLY* source of income, but it seems that you just don't want our money. You don't want us to use your products. You don't want our (ridiculously) zealous support.
I really don't want you guys to fail. I really don't, but it's time to sh!t or get off the pot.
Feel free to PM me, if you'd like assistance in your public image and relations. You need it.
Regards
Ma Din Tolifen
AKA Methuselas
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That money would have been better spent porting WINE to AOS4, considering you gain access to applications that use the Windows API.
how would that solve anything unless there is any windows software available for ppc???
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how would that solve anything unless there is any windows software available for ppc???
Presumably that would be combined with an x86 JIT, though I've been baffled for years that WINE doesn't already include that for non-x86 architectures...
(There would also be whatever software was written for Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0 on PowerPC, but I don't know that there was ever much of that.)
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Presumably that would be combined with an x86 JIT, though I've been baffled for years that WINE doesn't already include that for non-x86 architectures...
Im speaking from ignorance but is this feasible perfomance wise, when we're talking about the 1 ghz range of computers?
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Im speaking from ignorance but is this feasible perfomance wise, when we're talking about the 1 ghz range of computers?
That's a good question, and I don't really know. I know trying to boot XP was agonizingly slow on my 2GHz Power Mac G5 (can't remember if that was using Bochs or QEMU,) but that may just reflect a crappy JIT, and anyway there's a big difference between emulating the whole PC and emulating the application code with the system calls translated to the host OS. I know for a while virtual-machine software was big business on PowerPC Macs for people that wanted to run PC software, and they'd always boast significant fractions of native speed, but I never used any of that myself.
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Presumably that would be combined with an x86 JIT, though I've been baffled for years that WINE doesn't already include that for non-x86 architectures...
(There would also be whatever software was written for Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0 on PowerPC, but I don't know that there was ever much of that.)
darwine has included a x86 emulator for years... or you could just use wine with the qemu userspace emulation layer.
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darwine has included a x86 emulator for years... or you could just use wine with the qemu userspace emulation layer.
Ah, interesting. Too bad it's abandoned. Any idea how performance is on PPC?
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Ah, interesting. Too bad it's abandoned. Any idea how performance is on PPC?
I would imagine pretty slow but depending on what's running who cares.
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Im speaking from ignorance but is this feasible perfomance wise, when we're talking about the 1 ghz range of computers?
Without JIT we see 386/40 kind of performance.
With jit ... perhaps P1/100 kind of ....
No one would have fun with any windows apps at that speed.
Better have a real x86 CPU there somewhere.
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I'm not Trevor, but anyway:
>1) Apparently you and your company (A-EON), invested a substantial monetary investment in the X1000. My question is why?
I believe it's because Trevor likes AmigaOS and wanted to see the most modern PPC Amiga possible.
(a few years ago PA6T was best, next year Freescale T series will be the king of PPC)
>but costs over 3 times the price
Just remember that original estimated price would only have been 50% of what it ended up to.
I agree we need affordable HW.
>2) We've had rumors for over a year now for a "cost-effective" netbook for OS4. While I am aware that you are not directly related to this, it's done nothing, but cause an even bigger rift in a dwindling market.
Some people had too big hopes? Most likely.
It could have been anoounced more carefully.
"we are working on to get AOS to run on a existing PPC netbook. Realease date is not known. perhaps in 2012."
Other than that... Yes, it's a shame that not all projects happen as planned.
>3) A-Eon is stating that Warp3D drivers will (hopefully) be available before the end of the year. .... Don't make promises you can't keep! When the Radeon 3D drivers are completed, *THEN* tell us about it.
Community is just too hungry for the info. Also I prefer to see at least some info.
>4) A-Eon has funded development of Libre Office. Once again, my question is why?
We (the community, new customers) need native office tools.
>That money would have been better spent porting WINE to AOS4,
Wine is not possible option. At least not before AOS4 runs on x86 or we have some 5Ghz PPC on Amigas.
>5) Finally, and I mean this with the utmost respect, but GET YOURSELF A PUBLIC RELATIONS LIASON!!!!!!
Who would be that person?
The person could apply a work from hyperion or a-eon.
(not much is paid, a lot of sh*t will be coming, etc...)
>How can you expect people to want to purchase your product, when basic, every-day use isn't even provided by the OS, itself?)
Money talks. If someone have millions to put in AOS4 SW development, please go ahead.
>We, the Community, are your *ONLY* source of income, but it seems that you just don't want our money. You don't want us to use your products. You don't want our (ridiculously) zealous support.
???
>Feel free to PM me, if you'd like assistance in your public image and relations. You need it.
You can also post your offer to Trevor & co PM.
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The Microsoft Surface is running a 1.3 GHz Quad-core NVIDIA Tegra 3, the iPad a 1.3 GHz dual core A6. ARM is the future, can OS4.x be ported to ARM?
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I'm not Trevor, but anyway:
>1) Apparently you and your company (A-EON), invested a substantial monetary investment in the X1000. My question is why?
I believe it's because Trevor likes AmigaOS and wanted to see the most modern PPC Amiga possible.
(a few years ago PA6T was best, next year Freescale T series will be the king of PPC)
>but costs over 3 times the price
Just remember that original estimated price would only have been 50% of what it ended up to.
That was no "estimate". That was bait & switch, pure and simple. A-Eon could not have said, "Hey guys! We've got a new OS4 machine coming, and it's only $3000+! You want, just register your interest, LOL!" Maybe not enough people would jump at $3000, but many might at a price just a bit higher than a SAM.
What I remember is when the original A-Eon was formed one of the partners was Trevor's level-headed business buddy whose job was to ensure that the effort didn't turn into a giant money sink. That partner left, now we can see some of the reasons why.
I agree we need affordable HW.
>2) We've had rumors for over a year now for a "cost-effective" netbook for OS4. While I am aware that you are not directly related to this, it's done nothing, but cause an even bigger rift in a dwindling market.
Some people had too big hopes? Most likely.
It could have been anoounced more carefully.
"we are working on to get AOS to run on a existing PPC netbook. Realease date is not known. perhaps in 2012."
Other than that... Yes, it's a shame that not all projects happen as planned.
The netbook is one "project" that seems to have worked as planned. It never had to actually exist, you know. Let's see if it continues to work for the next year.
>5) Finally, and I mean this with the utmost respect, but GET YOURSELF A PUBLIC RELATIONS LIASON!!!!!!
Who would be that person?
Rogue claims there already are "marketing guys" for Hyperion, why not ask him about who they are?
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=74374#forumpost74374
In the past ssolie claimed he was the Hyperion rep, but now he claims he barely even works for them, despite being the "Project Team Lead". You'll never get a straight answer out of anyone associated with Hyperion, why haven't you learned that by now?
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Without JIT we see 386/40 kind of performance.
With jit ... perhaps P1/100 kind of ....
Where are you getting those numbers? They don't match up with even my crappy VM experience, let alone the claims made by professional virtual PC software of the time.
No one would have fun with any windows apps at that speed.
Better have a real x86 CPU there somewhere.
Actually, plenty of Windows software is usable at 100MHz. As long as you're not foolishly trying to run YouTube on a Pentium/100 or something, you can actually do a lot.
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The Microsoft Surface is running a 1.3 GHz Quad-core NVIDIA Tegra 3, the iPad a 1.3 GHz dual core A6. ARM is the future, can OS4.x be ported to ARM?
If they did, perhaps they can get some help from the AROS devs who ported AROS to ARM, as Jason was showing off at AmiWest via Raspberry Pi. It would be interesting to see a video of Jason's table. As usual, it's a question of who at Hyperion would do the work and who is going to pay for it.
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I'd rather see the AROS devs stay focused on improving AROS so that we won't need AOS anymore.
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...a few years ago PA6T was best, next year Freescale T series will be the king of PPC
The P5040/5021 isn't that bad right now. When the T5040 (with AltiVec) is introduced (hopefully in the 23.2 to 2.5 GHz range) it should be pretty nice.
But none of them have as many PCIe lanes as the PA6T.
And who knows what A-eon and Varisys are up to. Trevor mentioned that they were working on more then one project several months ago.
The X1000, while expensive, actually is a pretty nice system. Sure, its slower then a lot of X86s, but compared to other PPC and ARM ystems its quiite fast with a nice complement of expansion slots.
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The X1000 [--8<--] is a pretty nice system. [--8<--] compared to other PPC and ARM systems its quiite fast with a nice complement of expansion slots.
+1 x 2 :banana:
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