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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: lassie on October 06, 2012, 06:42:48 PM
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Hi what do you think is the best OS/Workbench on your Amiga?
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Thus far I've been quite pleased with ClassicWB Lite on my A1200. I had OS3.9 back when I had an A3000, and it just felt bloated as hell, even on an 040 with 18MB RAM and RTG; ClassicWB is much lighter and zippier.
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Thus far I've been quite pleased with ClassicWB Lite on my A1200. I had OS3.9 back when I had an A3000, and it just felt bloated as hell, even on an 040 with 18MB RAM and RTG; ClassicWB is much lighter and zippier.
Yes you are right i got OS 3.9 on my Amiga 4000/30 but it is not very fast on mine, and it eats quite much RAM. I only have 18 mb to start with. it is nice looking i must admit, but i think i need a bigger CPU for it can run better, and some more RAM
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Hi what do you think is the best OS/Workbench on your Amiga?
OS3.1 with Directory Opus Magellan II as Workbench replacement. 10x more features than in OS3.9 and much faster.
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Another vote for ClassicWB for sure. It includes pretty all the patches and bits you'd have to go hunting for, on your own.
I forget which one I am using (there's a few options) but it's wicked.
3.9 was okay, but I felt unimpressed.
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ClassicWB is what I run. I've tried several different versions. I have had 3.5 and 3.9 both on my A2000. I like ClassicWB better, and am currently running ADVSP. Fast, and has everything I need already on it.
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I have Classic Workbench on my Amiga 600 Green Alien Edition. that runs quite nice :-)
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i dunno, i guess i'm lazy, but for the most part i run 3.9.
i hear what you're saying about bloated and laggy though. i tried 3.9 on my A500, it'd run, but a trim 3.1 install patched up just felt so much faster. i'll probably roll back to 3.1 on my 600 for the same reason.
maybe it's just the 16bit machines chipram bandwidth that's being squeezed - they just don't have the horses to deal with all that newicon stuff...
i've not got the roms to put it on my 3000 yet, but my 4000 and 1200's have all been fine with 3.9, so i'll see soon if an ECS machine with a 32bit spine can cope...
my main reason for 3.9'ing was the full TCP/IP stack... although the boing bag2 install always crashed on my PPC card... so didn't bother with that update...
somedays i wish i only had one amiga, that would then be my focus for a fully operational and speedy machine. :D
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Another vote for ClassicWB..
I run ClassicWB Full on my 1200...
Started with it when I only had an 8M FAST RAM card and loved it.
Works even smoother with my ACA1230/28.
My only real "add" that it didn't have was a DOCK.
But then I found ToolManager..
Works great..
I run it in Interlace mode (did when I had it on a 1084 too, but use MagicTV to reduce the flicker), as I like smaller icons. ;-)
I've considered 3.5/3.9, but I like my current setup right now, so not as much motivation to really try them out...
desiv
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I ended up preferring SCALOS to a dock, but there's a handful of dock programs for the miggy :)
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Highly vote for ClassicWB.
You can try the version that suits you best, although ClassicWB 3.9 on 030 is okey but not the best experience.
Atm I'm using a highly customized ClassicWB 3.9 on 8 colors MWB palette on my ECS A600 (with ACA630@30) with changed iconset on all environment with MagicWB icons.
It also has latest stuff from BB3/BB4 written on a custom Kickstart 3.9 for rebootless boot :)
Result is really nice for my taste, and blazingly fast even for an 030!!!
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/939939/Pics/mfilos_cwb3.9.png)
Some quick video can be seen here (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/939939/A600_CWB3.9.avi)
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ClassicWB here too.
I use the versions created from OS3.1 on my Minimig, FPGA Arcade and Chameleon64 and the OS3.9 version on my expanded A2000 (68040 & RTG) and A4000 (with Mediator). Setting it up is a bit of a pain at first, but just follow the instructions carefully and you can't go wrong.
If you want to use WHDload then it is already configured and installed. Just put the correctly named ROM files in the correct folder and dump your favourite WHDLoad games into the GAMES folder (KG's game packs rock!).
The reason for the configuation issues using real Workbench disks and having to add the ROM images for WHDLoad is because they have tried to keep the package legal, thus they couldn't include all of the files you need. As I said, just follow the instuctions. :)
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mfilos, very nice mate :) very polished.
i might just have a look at this "classic workbench" thing you speak of :)
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nothing beats a fully patched, properly configured os3.9 install on a 060 + rtg setup.
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I use ClassicWb 68k with 1.3 theme. I have also tried both lite and 3x on my 600. But settled for 68k in the end.
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I use ClassicWb 68k with 1.3 theme. I have also tried both lite and 3x on my 600. But settled for 68k in the end.
Yes ClassicWB i think is cool, it runs fine on my Amiga 600 with 4 MB RAM.
Is your Amiga 1200 still in the closet most at the time :)
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Highly vote for ClassicWB.
You can try the version that suits you best, although ClassicWB 3.9 on 030 is okey but not the best experience.
Atm I'm using a highly customized ClassicWB 3.9 on 8 colors MWB palette on my ECS A600 (with ACA630@30) with changed iconset on all environment with MagicWB icons.
It also has latest stuff from BB3/BB4 written on a custom Kickstart 3.9 for rebootless boot :)
Result is really nice for my taste, and blazingly fast even for an 030!!!
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/939939/Pics/mfilos_cwb3.9.png)
Some quick video can be seen here (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/939939/A600_CWB3.9.avi)
That looks very nice :)
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Here's my ClassicWB on the Minimig (sorry for the link only, but it is a huge picture of the 42" screen):
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/SDC10114.jpg
This is a basic ClassicWB 3.9 screen using an Indivision screenmode (A4000):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/workbench600.jpg)
And here my RTG version on my A4000:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2s.jpg)
Link to full size image:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2.jpg
(I had replaced the AMIDOCK at the bottom with a Windows style task bar and moved AMIDOCK to the left side)
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Here's my ClassicWB on the Minimig (sorry for the link only, but it is a huge picture of the 42" screen):
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/SDC10114.jpg
This is a basic ClassicWB 3.9 screen using an Indivision screenmode (A4000):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/workbench600.jpg)
And here my RTG version on my A4000:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2s.jpg)
Link to full size image:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2.jpg
(I had replaced the AMIDOCK at the bottom with a Windows style task bar and moved AMIDOCK to the left side)
Looks very nice :) i wish i had that at least on one of my Amigas
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@ Lassie:
Your A4000 and A1200 should get something close with a 256 colour screenmode (of course they won't get those 1920x1080 screens). My A2000 looks almost the same, except it is a lower resolution via a Cybervision643D RTG card.
All your A2000 and the 4MB A600 will manage the same ClassicWB as my Minimig.
If you decide to have a go at installing ClassicWB and have problems then post here. We'll help with any questions.
Here's the link to ClassicWB home page:
http://classicwb.abime.net/
Read the minimum specs on the different versions and decide which on is best for you.
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Yes ClassicWB i think is cool, it runs fine on my Amiga 600 with 4 MB RAM.
Is your Amiga 1200 still in the closet most at the time :)
I have the ACA 630/25 Stealth Accelerator in my 600 so 68k is incredibly fast and resonsive. The others ran fine, in fact pretty darn well, but 68k does what I need it to and is just fast. I can't beleive how well an OS can actually run.
Here's my ClassicWB on the Minimig (sorry for the link only, but it is a huge picture of the 42" screen):
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/SDC10114.jpg
This is a basic ClassicWB 3.9 screen using an Indivision screenmode (A4000):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/workbench600.jpg)
And here my RTG version on my A4000:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2s.jpg)
Link to full size image:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2.jpg
(I had replaced the AMIDOCK at the bottom with a Windows style task bar and moved AMIDOCK to the left side)
That is teh sexi, as the kids say it these days, except for that blood evlen thing (hord FTW BTW) ;)
I have had the 600 outputting 800x600 through the Indi ECS, thanks to info from mfilos's website. And it does it very well. But did I dream this or did someone get the Indi ECS to do Picasso96?
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That is teh sexi, as the kids say it these days, except for that blood evlen thing (hord FTW BTW) ;)
LOL. Don't worry, I hang out in Stormwind. I just can't resist bad girls. :D
I have had the 600 outputting 800x600 through the Indi ECS, thanks to info from mfilos's website. And it does it very well. But did I dream this or did someone get the Indi ECS to do Picasso96?
I haven't heard that. The reason my A4000 is using an Indivision mode but has P96 modes available in the 1st screenshot was that I had an old ViRGE card fitted while I was waiting for my Radeon to arrive from Elbox.
The 2nd A4000 pic is of the Radeon fitted and most of the 256MB of RAM on the card allocated as system RAM.
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@ Lassie:
Your A4000 and A1200 should get something close with a 256 colour screenmode (of course they won't get those 1920x1080 screens). My A2000 looks almost the same, except it is a lower resolution via a Cybervision643D RTG card.
All your A2000 and the 4MB A600 will manage the same ClassicWB as my Minimig.
If you decide to have a go at installing ClassicWB and have problems then post here. We'll help with any questions.
Here's the link to ClassicWB home page:
http://classicwb.abime.net/
Read the minimum specs on the different versions and decide which on is best for you.
Okay thanks i will have a look and see what i will choose. And i am quite sure that i will run into a few problems :) but you all are very helpful here
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LOL. Don't worry, I hang out in Stormwind. I just can't resist bad girls. :D
I haven't heard that. The reason my A4000 is using an Indivision mode but has P96 modes available in the 1st screenshot was that I had an old ViRGE card fitted while I was waiting for my Radeon to arrive from Elbox.
The 2nd A4000 pic is of the Radeon fitted and most of the 256MB of RAM on the card allocated as system RAM.
Hmm mfilos usually has his ear to the ground about the Indi ECS so I will shoot a message over to him. But they are still very nice looking Amiga screens. What is it like working with that much space?
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I knew I hadn't imagined it (http://mfilos.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/a600-picasso96-via-indivision-ecs.html) I know what i will be trying when I finish this set of night shifts lol.
Okay thanks i will have a look and see what i will choose. And i am quite sure that i will run into a few problems :) but you all are very helpful here
How I set it all up was configure WinUAE to the specs of my system and installed the various versions of CWB that I was interested in on it to guage how resposive it possibly could be. Once i decided I connected my formatted CF to my pc, configured WinUAE to accept it as a blank physcial drive and just transfered the entire system across to the CF using dopus.
Easy enough but a bit of a bitch the first time you try it lol. If you have issues formatting the CF for any reason I grabbed a image of Amiga911 which has some handy tools. But do ask if you get stuck.
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Hmm mfilos usually has his ear to the ground about the Indi ECS so I will shoot a message over to him. But they are still very nice looking Amiga screens. What is it like working with that much space?
Great, because you can resize things like your WHDLoad draws and see the 36 other "A-Z 0-9" draws without scrolling. Surfing the net in Ibrowse2 is handy in that resolution too.
How I set it all up was configure WinUAE to the specs of my system and installed the various versions of CWB that I was interested in on it to guage how resposive it possibly could be. Once i decided I connected my formatted CF to my pc, configured WinUAE to accept it as a blank physcial drive and just transfered the entire system across to the CF using dopus.
Easy enough but a bit of a bitch the first time you try it lol. If you have issues formatting the CF for any reason I grabbed a image of Amiga911 which has some handy tools. But do ask if you get stuck.
Same here, even down to formatting the CF card. If you do it on the PC, use Amiga Forver and boot into the "AmigaSYS" OS. The HDToolbox in that version has never failed me for mounting, prepping and formatting "Amiga" hard drives or CF cards on my PC.
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Great, because you can resize things like your WHDLoad draws and see the 36 other "A-Z 0-9" draws without scrolling. Surfing the net in Ibrowse2 is handy in that resolution too.
Same here, even down to formatting the CF card. If you do it on the PC, use Amiga Forver and boot into the "AmigaSYS" OS. The HDToolbox in that version has never failed me for mounting, prepping and formatting "Amiga" hard drives or CF cards on my PC.
Don't know if you noticed but I linked to Milfos website where he got it working on a 600 with indi ECS so gonna give that a bash after I finish nights.
Never knew that about Amiga Forever. I have the 2012 plus version and if it works better than the Amiga911 disk then it might save me some headaches. Because that disk is not very intuative the first time you use it. Very handy but a pain in the neck to use the first time.
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Don't know if you noticed but I linked to Milfos website where he got it working on a 600 with indi ECS so gonna give that a bash after I finish nights.
I didn't see it. Amazing!
I still fondly remember using a serial link to send a 1024x768 8bit RTG Workbench screen from my A1200 for my Win95 PC to display. Using your PC has a RTG card... :D
Never knew that about Amiga Forever. I have the 2012 plus version and if it works better than the Amiga911 disk then it might save me some headaches. Because that disk is not very intuative the first time you use it. Very handy but a pain in the neck to use the first time.
Just remember to run AF as an Administrator, select AmigaSYS to boot, mount the CD card as an Amiga drive, "reboot" your UAE Amiga, go to HDToolbox and (IIRC) there are 3 different "SCSI" devices. You'll find the CF card/HD under one of them and just prep it and format it from there. I use PFS3-DS for the file system.
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Hi guys,
Atm I'm just using 800x600 via Ratte's SuperPlus Monitor driver.
P96 via Lutz's driver is not as much responsive (still in beta) but the pros is the pseudo RTG meaning you take advantage of P96 stuff.
Only drawback of not using native modes like PAL/NTSC is the thing Indivision ECS has at changing modes from SuperPlus or HighGFX to Lo-Res when playing for example games...
(Indy logo with some delay almost unpredictable).
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nothing beats a fully patched, properly configured os3.9 install on a 060 + rtg setup.
I also vote for properly configured AmigaOS 3.9 with all the patches on any classic Amiga machine.
I don't understand the people who say 3.9 slow. Actually it's faster when you remove all the eye candy, icons, backdrops etc and install the proper patches and devices. On top of that you don't have to deal with AmigaOS 3.1 limitations, like small hard drive partitions and bugs. AmigaOS 3.9 is the best OS for classic machines without PPC board.
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Hi guys,
Atm I'm just using 800x600 via Ratte's SuperPlus Monitor driver.
P96 via Lutz's driver is not as much responsive (still in beta) but the pros is the pseudo RTG meaning you take advantage of P96 stuff.
Only drawback of not using native modes like PAL/NTSC is the thing Indivision ECS has at changing modes from SuperPlus or HighGFX to Lo-Res when playing for example games...
(Indy logo with some delay almost unpredictable).
That's handy to know. I will just stick to 800x600 then. But if you need another test machine let me know and I would be happy to try it.
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I'm presently giving OS 3.9 a shot again. I have a 80Mhz 060 with 32Mb of RAM on it, but that didn't seem to help...
...at first.
Then I began to learn about the wide world of patches, modules and the like and I've been a happy camper since! Once you get the right patches applied, OS 3.9 really begins to shine.
I have always been a huge fan of Directory Opus 5.x as well. I would even run it even if my system was too slow, but now I can run it with OS 3.9 and my system still seems just as responsive if not more so than my initial install. Likewise many games and applications run better as well.
Of course owning an Indivision MKII probably helps a bit too.
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Lack of interest in hunting down patches and configuring crap is why I went with ClassicWB instead ;)
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@ Lassie:
Your A4000 and A1200 should get something close with a 256 colour screenmode (of course they won't get those 1920x1080 screens). My A2000 looks almost the same, except it is a lower resolution via a Cybervision643D RTG card.
All your A2000 and the 4MB A600 will manage the same ClassicWB as my Minimig.
If you decide to have a go at installing ClassicWB and have problems then post here. We'll help with any questions.
Here's the link to ClassicWB home page:
http://classicwb.abime.net/
Read the minimum specs on the different versions and decide which on is best for you.
Thanks for the link, Darrin.
Once again you provide something that lures me back to old hardware.
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Lack of interest in hunting down patches and configuring crap is why I went with ClassicWB instead ;)
Same here. The OS3.9 version is... OS3.9 with lots of goodies! :D
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Thanks for the link, Darrin.
Once again you provide something that lures me back to old hardware.
LOL. You're welcome. Suddenly I feel like a crack dealer. :D
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LOL. You're welcome. Suddenly I feel like a crack dealer. :D
No, a crack habit would probably be cheaper (and no more likely to upset the wife).:laugh1:
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No, a crack habit would probably be cheaper (and no more likely to upset the wife).:laugh1:
:)