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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: XDelusion on September 23, 2012, 01:04:23 AM
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Basically to speed up Nova's port of BOOM, and to make the screen easy on the eyes as I work within OctaMED Sound Studio.
I will be using a VGA converter on this as non of my monitors have the correct jack, but hopefully all will work well as we wait on the long awaited core update.
So what has been ya'll's experience with these things? Are you happy, are you sad, are you mad?
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Basically to speed up Nova's port of BOOM, and to make the screen easy on the eyes as I work within OctaMED Sound Studio.
I will be using a VGA converter on this as non of my monitors have the correct jack, but hopefully all will work well as we wait on the long awaited core update.
So what has been ya'll's experience with these things? Are you happy, are you sad, are you mad?
Good question. I've been thinking of getting one of those for myself.
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Many thanks for you order :)
We successfully use the Indivision with VGA converters on Samsung and various other monitors
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I am very happy with mine, it has made my A1200 extremely usefull.
I am just waiting for the core update now.
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Basically to speed up Nova's port of BOOM...
I think you're gonna be very dissapointed if you think it speeds things up.
The AGA1200 is a Scandoubler Flickerfixer. It doubles the horizontal frequency of 15 kHz screen modes, so that you can use a "modern" PC monitor (CRT, LCD or TFT). It doesn't work like an accelerator/turbocard.
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I think you're gonna be very dissapointed if you think it speeds things up.
The AGA1200 is a Scandoubler Flickerfixer. It doubles the horizontal frequency of 15 kHz screen modes, so that you can use a "modern" PC monitor (CRT, LCD or TFT). It doesn't work like an accelerator/turbocard.
Thats not entirely true....
You'll get substantial speed increase(over 100%) by switching from multisync mode to interlace in things like workbench and shapeshifter. Interlace mode did not work well with my Dell 2320 monitor I was using.
Some people may be using monitors that only support the dblpal and dblntsc modes... those people will also get a speed increase...
you'll get resolutions such as 1280x720 and 1024x768.
We'll wait and see what other goodies are in the new firmware. grafitti, etc...
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I will order an Indivision sometime for my A1200. I just don't want to deal with the flickering! Can't believe I dealt with it as a younger kid. :) But I just need it to connect to a newer screen.
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I have the indi aga mk2 and can't get it to work with straight DVI, or DVI->VGA, or DVI->HDMI. My TV and my monitor both say that the signal is out of range. :(
But on my a1200 I can use the svideo cable just fine, it just looks terrible.
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I must admit, I haven't found that much speed increase between PAL interlace and multiscan productivity mode, for average workbench use.
Higher resolutions would be nice of course.
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I must admit, I haven't found that much speed increase between PAL interlace and multiscan productivity mode, for average workbench use.
Higher resolutions would be nice of course.
On my machine which is a 50mhz 060, I get 50% Quadra 950 speed in shapeshifter in multisync and 100% in 640x512 PAL interlace...
that is a huge difference in the playability of games.
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I have a Philips 107P VGA CRT monitor. HighGfx works fine and looks great for Workbench and OctaMED (gfx artifacts disappear after 5 minutes being powered on). I'm not a gamer so I couldn't give a monkeys about PAL being shifted to the right etc. I have noticed though that with SuperGfx OctaMEDs timing being related to vertical scan goes a bit out of tune. With HighGfx it is fine. I tried it with a Hanng 19" DVI and it worked but it looked too sharp and was unforgiving so I am happy with my CRT.
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On my machine which is a 50mhz 060, I get 50% Quadra 950 speed in shapeshifter in multisync and 100% in 640x512 PAL interlace...
that is a huge difference in the playability of games.
Ah, I don't use shapeshifter so I can't speak for that :)
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I have a Philips 107P VGA CRT monitor. HighGfx works fine and looks great for Workbench and OctaMED (gfx artifacts disappear after 5 minutes being powered on). I'm not a gamer so I couldn't give a monkeys about PAL being shifted to the right etc. I have noticed though that with SuperGfx OctaMEDs timing being related to vertical scan goes a bit out of tune. With HighGfx it is fine. I tried it with a Hanng 19" DVI and it worked but it looked too sharp and was unforgiving so I am happy with my CRT.
I know I fixed that artifacts issue on my current 1D4 and my previous one(also 1d4) MBs by bridging r127. Mine would do the same thing but return if a breeze went through the room...
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Ah, I don't use shapeshifter so I can't speak for that :)
try and run WB in 256 colors in both multisync and PAL interlaced...
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I'll check that tonight :)
I usually just run 32 colours in WB but if it's a huge difference, it might be worth the consideration once I have spare change.
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I'll check that tonight :)
I usually just run 32 colours in WB but if it's a huge difference, it might be worth the consideration once I have spare change.
its sad to say but AGA really only could perform on-par with 640x480@8bit SVGA or Mac video of that era if it ran in interlace mode...
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I wonder if such a thing could exist as an external device so that hardware like a Genlock and Chroma Key could still be used.
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its sad to say but AGA really only could perform on-par with 640x480@8bit SVGA or Mac video of that era if it ran in interlace mode...
So I tested it. Interlace is a tad snappier but its pretty pokey either way, to be honest.
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Yep to get any more speed for games we need Jens to update the firmware with some decent chunky modes (aka Graffiti).
I'm currently using the SuperPlus driver to run at 800x600 in WB in 64 colors and it seems nice and quick to me.
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Thats not entirely true....
You'll get substantial speed increase(over 100%) by switching from multisync mode to interlace in things like workbench and shapeshifter. Interlace mode did not work well with my Dell 2320 monitor I was using.
The original poster was talking about using it to speed up the game BOOM.
He didn't mention either shapeshifter or workbench.
To speed up games like Doom/Boom you definatly need an real 040/060 accelerator.
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I got one on my A1200 and I can say a few things.
First there are pros and cons using VGA over DVI, using VGA gave me horizontal lines that annoyed me a lot due to pixel clock etc, got that on all monitors I tried when using VGA and I had no way to remove it before the config tool is released.
The pros of VGA is that you can adjust the picture size on the monitor to remove a lot of the black borders in some screen modes witch is great and the auto adjust on decent monitors seem to do it good enough.
I switched to DVI just because of the horizontal lines, when using DVI I got perfect crystal clear picture but I can not adjust the image to remove black borders in lower resolutions due to DVI is digital pixel by pixel match.
But I preferred some black borders over horizontal lines so I am sticking with DVI until the config tool comes, if you wan't to see what I mean with horizontal lines etc I can post a few pictures.
Edit: I am using Superplus @ 800x600 as screen mode on a 4:3 EIZO FlexScan 1901 monitor and then I get no black borders in WB only in games.
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Basically to speed up Nova's port of BOOM, and to make the screen easy on the eyes as I work within OctaMED Sound Studio.
I will be using a VGA converter on this as non of my monitors have the correct jack, but hopefully all will work well as we wait on the long awaited core update.
So what has been ya'll's experience with these things? Are you happy, are you sad, are you mad?
best thing i ever got for my 1200 ..next to the 030 ..one day ppc an usb ..then id be truely happy ..almost a poem
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The original poster was talking about using it to speed up the game BOOM.
He didn't mention either shapeshifter or workbench.
To speed up games like Doom/Boom you definatly need an real 040/060 accelerator.
Will an 80Mhz 060 do? ;)
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Every darned time I went to order the ECS/OCS version for my A2000, it was out of stock!
I finally found a good deal on a Microway 2000 AGA SD/FF, so I bought it. I prefer CRT monitors, so this works out well for me.
I would rather have supported a current device, but it just wasn't woking out.
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I'm not up to date on this "horizontal" line stuff; are these scan lines? When I use the MK2 in VGA mode I can see faint vertical lines from clock pixel mistiming that, obviously due to its digital nature, are gone on DVD-D use. So what gives with the horizontal lines?
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Will an 80Mhz 060 do? ;)
Yeah! That certainly kicks some *ss! :biglaugh:
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I have a Philips 107P VGA CRT monitor. HighGfx works fine and looks great for Workbench and OctaMED (gfx artifacts disappear after 5 minutes being powered on). I'm not a gamer so I couldn't give a monkeys about PAL being shifted to the right etc. I have noticed though that with SuperGfx OctaMEDs timing being related to vertical scan goes a bit out of tune. With HighGfx it is fine. I tried it with a Hanng 19" DVI and it worked but it looked too sharp and was unforgiving so I am happy with my CRT.
I really would like an Indivision AGA MkII, but if there's artifacts then that would definitely put me off buying one. Did the MkI have artifacts?
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I really would like an Indivision AGA MkII, but if there's artifacts then that would definitely put me off buying one. Did the MkI have artifacts?
The banding on the VGA is caused by a difference in the pixel clock on the monitor vs the Indivision... it does not happen on all monitors or even all modes... the new firmware will fix that... Some people have reported that changing the pixel clock in their monitor setup reduced the effect... Did not seem to help on the monitor I have the banding issue on.
The artifacts are not caused by the Indivision. They are a bug in the hardware and if you have them, you'll get them in Multisync mode even without the Indivision. If anything, with the Indivision you can just run interlace mode if you don't feel like fixing the hardware. If you don't fix the motherboard, you'll also have the same artifacts in highgfx and the other new modes...
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The banding on the VGA is caused by a difference in the pixel clock on the monitor vs the Indivision... it does not happen on all monitors or even all modes... the new firmware will fix that... Some people have reported that changing the pixel clock in their monitor setup reduced the effect... Did not seem to help on the monitor I have the banding issue on.
The artifacts are not caused by the Indivision. They are a bug in the hardware and if you have them, you'll get them in Multisync mode even without the Indivision. If anything, with the Indivision you can just run interlace mode if you don't feel like fixing the hardware. If you don't fix the motherboard, you'll also have the same artifacts in highgfx and the other new modes...
Thanks for the info. My motherboard revisions are 1A and 1D3. Does that mean I won't get artifacts? Or are the artifacts a seperate issue to the timing fix issue?
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Thanks for the info. My motherboard revisions are 1A and 1D3. Does that mean I won't get artifacts? Or are the artifacts a seperate issue to the timing fix issue?
On a 1D4 with the timmingfix still these artifacts (with my mk1) i dont understand why some people talks about a fix by a indivision fw, if thats true, why indivision aga mk1 dont have it fixed?
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Thanks for the info. My motherboard revisions are 1A and 1D3. Does that mean I won't get artifacts? Or are the artifacts a seperate issue to the timing fix issue?
Well, actually, there are two different artifacting issues. The one I'm taking about is due to the MB being sensitive to thermal changes. As far as I know, while this type is annoying, it does not actually lead to instability.
There is another blitter artifacting error that causes graphics corruption and instability. This is the timing fix you hear about that makes the 1200 more compatible with accelerator cards.
neither of these issues are caused by the Indivision but the indivision can make them more pronounced as you are simply pushing the chipset harder.
There is really no telling what fixes you'll need. Even the same MB revisions may need different fixes.
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Yep to get any more speed for games we need Jens to update the firmware with some decent chunky modes (aka Graffiti).
I'm currently using the SuperPlus driver to run at 800x600 in WB in 64 colors and it seems nice and quick to me.
Hi i was thinking was Amiga a hit in Australian back in the day?
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Many thanks for you order :)
We successfully use the Indivision with VGA converters on Samsung and various other monitors
I presume this will work nicely then! :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-SyncMaster-711T-17-Flat-Screen-LCD-Desktop-Computer-Monitor-Black-DVI-/221126775347?item=221126775347&ViewItem=&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:US:3160&nma=true&si=bCZAUe0Mt32cy9k0yYWP20X7gCI%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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I presume this will work nicely then! :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-SyncMaster-711T-17-Flat-Screen-LCD-Desktop-Computer-Monitor-Black-DVI-/221126775347?item=221126775347&ViewItem=&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:US:3160&nma=true&si=bCZAUe0Mt32cy9k0yYWP20X7gCI%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
hopefully... it works with my samsung S27B750V in HDMI. samsung makes a lot of monitors though :)
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Will an 80Mhz 060 do? ;)
I'm planning on doing a special 060 build of BOOM because another user has told me even his 060 struggles with Community chest 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdiqO2QARZw)
Indivision's Mrk2 work great with BenQ monitors via DVI, check the end of this video for a quick look at my WB -> AmiQuake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=lcNmWZRqFbQ)
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I'm planning on doing a special 060 build of BOOM because another user has told me even his 060 struggles with Community chest 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdiqO2QARZw)
Indivision's Mrk2 work great with BenQ monitors via DVI, check the end of this video for a quick look at my WB -> AmiQuake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=lcNmWZRqFbQ)
Glad to hear! With the right patches, I can get it to run fine, without them, it runs too slow, even on my 80Mhz 060. I really need to get back to my patches. I got a lot of help on that issue, but found my self busy all of a sudden.
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Glad to hear! With the right patches, I can get it to run fine, without them, it runs too slow, even on my 80Mhz 060. I really need to get back to my patches. I got a lot of help on that issue, but found my self busy all of a sudden.
I can help, I've got the same card as you. I'll let you have a copy of my start-up sequence etc, just let me know.
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I can help, I've got the same card as you. I'll let you have a copy of my start-up sequence etc, just let me know.
Yes, yes I would!!! Thank you!
The Zone or E-mail?
AdvertAndEntice AT gmail DOT com
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It arrived today! Was easy to install. I forgot to order a DVI cable for my Samsung, so I used the DVI to VGA adapter for now and already it impresses the hell outta me!
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And now that my DVi cable came in the mail...
...the visuals have become even MORE impressive! WOW!
The downside is that with my monitor, I can no longer adjust the screen as I could when I was using the VGA adapter. I guess we'll have to wait for proper tools and software to release from Indivision.
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Well I get alot of modes nicely but NO NTSC. Its been like 8 months and Still no config tool or new core... I'm able to use HIghGfx and Superplus modes nicely no corruption. However, Highgfx may be cool but man it eats up so much chip ram its almost impractical! I'm dying for the new cores so i can run NTSC stuff as my a1200 is ntsc.
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I need to try out SuperPlus again. At the moment I'm running in Multiscan Productivity mode. at 648x990.
It too eats at the chip RAM. The upside is that OctaMED S.S. has PLENTY of room for it's display now! At long last!!!
Currently, I have all my upgrades plugged into my NTSC system. Seems to me I have the most trouble running PAL WHD games, even if I reboot into PAL mode. Some work, most fail. It makes me rather sad cause I think the PAL unit needs recapped and I can't find anyone to do it in a cheap and timely manner. My last board has been out for months now, and I have an Atari that a dude has had for three years now. :/