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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: AmigaWorkbench on September 22, 2012, 03:01:35 PM

Title: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on September 22, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
Hi!

I'm havng difficulties figuring out how to connect my Amiga 2000 with my Commodore 1081 monitor. I haven't used this set up since the early-mid 90s so I've forgotten the drill.

I can't find any connectors for this application. I have still got the mains cord for both monitor and computer but I need to know what sort of cable to use for connecting these two units.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: danbeaver on September 22, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
I'm not familiar with this monitor, it has an 8-pin round DIN and a scart connector -- European model; normal for a 1080/1084 monitor, the cord has a 23-pin connector on the Amiga side and a 9-pin on the monitor. You could use the a2000 Black/White composite (yellow RCA) but it is fuzzy and only good for diagnosis.
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on September 22, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
Thanks for your reply!

I don't have much know-how regarding connectors, but is it possible to find a cheap composite 23-pin/9-pin connector cable and are they widely available?

Fuzzy resolution is fine as long as it's cheap since I'm primarily just wan't to check if my Amiga 2000 is functional.

In fact, any cheap cable that enables me to connect the monitor and Amiga 2000 to set a diagnosis will work. :)
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: Matt_H on September 22, 2012, 04:58:36 PM
In that case, a standard RCA cable should suffice. You should be able to do mono video out from the 2000 to the single connector on the 1081. If there are three connectors on the monitor, remember that two of them are video (old-style luma/chroma) and one is audio. I *think* you can connect to either video.

If you want good video quality, you'll need a 23-pin to DIN video cable. This (http://www.redmondcable.com/dynamicdata/shop/shopexd.asp?id=97) might be the right kind. Or if there's a 9-pin DSUB connector, one of these (http://www.redmondcable.com/dynamicdata/shop/shopexd.asp?id=95). Hard to tell what your monitor has, since there are a gazillion different versions of each model number monitor!
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on September 22, 2012, 05:18:56 PM
Hi

Thanks for your posting.

Here's a photo, taken with my mobile phone, illustrating the back-side connectionson the C1081 monitor and Amiga 2000. Although the quality is bad I hope it's visible enough.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on September 22, 2012, 05:24:42 PM
I'm going to the flicks soon, but I will return to see any postings in this thread later this evening or tomorrow, in case you wonder why I don't reply :)
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: danbeaver on September 23, 2012, 01:11:04 AM
Yeah the RCA on the far left looks like a composite. A proper SCART cable will set you back about 15 £
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on September 23, 2012, 10:10:10 AM
Here are two (slightly) better pictures of A2000 and C1081 monitor.
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: zipper on September 23, 2012, 10:53:45 AM
SCART TO AMIGA (RGB) CABLE from Amigakit is in stock.
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on September 23, 2012, 11:41:15 AM
Hi,

Thanks!

I looked at Amigakit and found these cables (among others):

SCART TO AMIGA (RGB) CABLE WITH AUDIO, €16.56 and

SCART TV TO AMIGA (AV) CABLE WITH AUDIO, €4.86.

First and foremost I need to verify that this set up actually works and I'll go for the cheapest option. Will the 2nd cable (euro 4,86) work for the intended purpose?
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: Matt_H on September 23, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
Ah, SCART! If only it were more common in the USA. Would make finding an Amiga display much easier.

You'll want the RGB (more expensive, sorry) variant for maximum quality. The AV version will work, but you'll get a fuzzy, black and white picture.

In fact, if you're using composite video out from the Amiga, then the SCART cable gives you no advantage in this case. Just run a single RCA cable from the mono video port on the 2000 to the video connector on the monitor - the leftmost one. Quality will be identical to the AV SCART cable.
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on September 23, 2012, 08:19:35 PM
Hi!

Ok, just coupling the units with one single RCA, then?

I'm probably talking through my hat ...but I've actually got something that looks like a "single" RCA cable in front of me. It's red in one end and black in the other end. Could this do the trick?
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: carvedeye on September 23, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
Try this http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=50&products_id=226

it is so much better than an RCA to Scart :)
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on October 02, 2012, 01:54:43 PM
Hi!

I found these web-store offers on Scart-RCA connectors:

https://datordax.se/product/28259

http://www.kjell.com/sortiment/ljud-bild/kablar-adaptrar/scart/scart-rca/kabel-scart-3xrca-med-switch-p39239

http://www.biltema.se/sv/Kontor---Teknik/TV-ljud-och-bild/Kablar/Scart--3-RCA-84633/

Could I use any of these three cables to connect my A2000 with the C1081 monitor?

Although the text is in Swedish, the images can be enlarged to have a better view.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: smf on October 02, 2012, 02:09:01 PM
@AmigaWorkbench

Just use a single RCA cable if you just want to test how how you'r machine functions, and if you want good quality picture buy this one: http://www.ggsdata.se/Datorer/scartami.php
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: midway on October 02, 2012, 05:41:12 PM
I have an amiga rgb ttl cable if u need one. Are u in europe? It has 6 pins on one end and 23 on the amiga end. Pm me if interested.
And a round 8 pin cable with 3 rca (video and 2 audio ) on the other end. Cant see how many pins ur monitor connector has from ur picture.
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on October 02, 2012, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: smf;710053
@AmigaWorkbench

Just use a single RCA cable if you just want to test how how you'r machine functions, and if you want good quality picture buy this one: http://www.ggsdata.se/Datorer/scartami.php


Hej och tack för svaret!

Är som sagt inte särskilt kunnig på det här med kablar. Hittade en billig scart-rca på Biltema för 29,90:-, vilket är biiligt med tanke på att jag till att börja med bara vill se om Amigan funkar. Den borde funka för detta ändamål, eller?
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: motrucker on October 02, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Dump the idea of the other cables (specially SCART!)
a simple RCA cable will run you about $1.00 USD. Might end up with monochrome display, but it will let you know if it works.
OR use the one you have - cheaper still!
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: klx300r on October 03, 2012, 12:31:07 AM
well I'm biased but the A1000 IS the Amiga before Commodore tainted it!

today we can upgrade the Fast Ram to 8MB and also use IDE drives as DHO's:pint:(check out the new hardware goodies from kipper & others at Amibay), not to mention the great flicker fixer by Jens for those that don't have their old monitors anymore.

nothing against the A3000 but the for me it doesn't have the historical respect and Ferrari like mystique that the 1000 has.
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on October 03, 2012, 07:21:10 AM
Quote from: midway;710066
I have an amiga rgb ttl cable if u need one. Are u in europe? It has 6 pins on one end and 23 on the amiga end. Pm me if interested.
And a round 8 pin cable with 3 rca (video and 2 audio ) on the other end. Cant see how many pins ur monitor connector has from ur picture.


Thanks midway!

Yes I'm in Europe, Scandinavia.

I will try the "single RCA" path first. I will let you know in case I need a rgb ttl.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Amiga 2000 Connection problem
Post by: AmigaWorkbench on October 10, 2012, 08:47:16 PM
Ok,

I tried to hook up the C1081 monitor + A2000 using one of these:

http://biltema.se/sv/Kontor---Teknik/TV-ljud-och-bild/Kablar/Scart--3-RCA-84691/

("Anslutning: Hane - Hane" indicates male connectors)

It didn't work.The screen is still white.

The computer starts up and the fan sounds, however, the green light (under the red Power light) doesn't illuminate, and I also inserted the Amiga Workbench disk but the disk drive didn't seem to respond.

Is it safe to conclude that I'm dealing with a hardware failure or have I missed something?

Thanks in advance.