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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: redrumloa on January 21, 2004, 03:16:44 AM
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Not quite Amiga? Well Red Hat was announced as an Amiga patner at one time:-P
Any-hoo I'm attempting to swear off M$ completely, and going to give Red Hat another shot. So far the installer seems buggy, but I'll stick it out. Any other Red Hat users here?
BTW no i am not giving up on my Amigas or Peggy:-)
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This for x86 right? Then i really think Mandrake 9.2 is a much better choice.. There is so much hassle with redhat, since they stripped system of several things, including mp3 playback.. Also mandrake has much better GUI for configuring hardware and so on and has more up2date software, including newer kernel.
The installer on mandrake is sweet also :-D
Redhat linux is not being developed anymore either, though there is a new distro based on redhat "fedora".
Edit:
some screenshots here:
installer: http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/install_b.png (http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/install_b.png)
http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/install_d.png (http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/install_d.png)
Mandrake control center:
http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/s5.png (http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/s5.png)
http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/s6.png (http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/s6.png)
http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/s8.png (http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/9.2/s8.png)
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Redhat linux is not being developed anymore either
It's not? Boy am I up to date? :-( I just spent $50 on the 'Red Hat Bible'
I've never really been a linuxhead, so I guess it's time for trial and error. Thanks for the input, i'm sure once i wet my feet i will be testing the various distros.
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redrumloa wrote:
Redhat linux is not being developed anymore either
It's not? Boy am I up to date? :-( I just spent $50 on the 'Red Hat Bible'
I've never really been a linuxhead, so I guess it's time for trial and error. Thanks for the input, i'm sure once i wet my feet i will be testing the various distros.
If you want Red Hat, why not try Fedora! BTW, on the A1 I'm using YDL3.0 and is very much a carbon copy of Red Hat very nice and easy to use distro. However, Mandrake really is a wonderful distro especially if you are new to the whole Linux world. My bro has it on his x86 and loves it :-D . Installation is a breeze :-)
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best linux?
for:
security/server - debian (master-like knowledge required)..
daily use/fool around - slackware (some above shelf knowledge required)
lazy lameass - mandrake :-D
if you haven't seen mandrake yet, then I think, better for you would be knoppix - this is very simple distro, you boot from CD - no need to install - and it's ready to use..
/note: this is my opinion, no need to start WW3 for this "lameass" word :-D
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voytech wrote:
/note: this is my opinion, no need to start WW3 for this "lameass" word :-D
Maybe we should have a Linux flame fest on an amiga site ?:-P :-D
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voytech wrote:
lazy lameass - mandrake :-D
/note: this is my opinion, no need to start WW3 for this "lameass" word :-D
I'm a Mandrake 9.1 user... lameass eh?!
Why you little.. :evil: :ak47: :griping: :destroy: :flame:
Hehe. Yeah Slackware is WAY too difficult for a tool like myself. Knoppix, I have never used, although I do have a couple versions lying around the house here. My opinion would be to go the way of Mandrake 9.2... :-)
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Maybe we should have a Linux flame fest on an amiga site ?
Yeah let's not and say we did :-o We Amigans are all full of love compared to those nasty Linux users ;-)
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I think that the best way to learn something is to experiment with it.. so the best way to learn linux is to install and try to use the hardest one distro - after installing redhat, and mandrake, I didn't know what was happening when I was using it, it was very similiar to Windblows - there was something goinon, but you didn't know what, if you pressed this and that.. So I installed debian, and after screwing it few times I finally was able to control what was happening at the moment..
One more thing.. Linux isn't so hard to learn..
I found it similiar to AmigaDOS and Workbench when I was using it for the first time..
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Bodie_CI5 wrote:
I'm a Mandrake 9.1 user... lameass eh?!
Why you little.. :evil: :ak47: :griping: :destroy: :flame:
Didn't wanted to offend anybody, but i couldn't resist..
echhhh...
:-)
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I also use debian today.. I really love the package system and the control you have there :-D
I am really not sorry for that i started with mandrake though.. I really dont think i would have used linux today, if it was not for the experience i had with mandrake..
I think mandrake is a real nice way to get to know linux. :-)
One tip though... Make one dedicated partion for /home, as then you will have all you programs/documents untouched, if you decide to change distro later on..
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voytech wrote:
Didn't wanted to offend anybody, but i couldn't resist..
echhhh...
:-)
Hehe, no offence taken, part of the fun!
@ Tomas
Agreed, Mandrake was what got me into Linux, rather simple to use (although I am a tool with computers at large). I have a dual boot box, Windows and Mdk9.1 (used to have 9.0). Only reason why I haven't completely discarded Windows, is for the lack of games of the Call of Duty stature. (And yes, I do know of Transgaming :-) ).
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by redrumloa on 2004/1/20 22:16:44
Any-hoo I'm attempting to swear off M$ completely, and going to give Red Hat another shot. So far the installer seems buggy, but I'll stick it out. Any other Red Hat users here?
I use RedHat on three systems (was four, had to go evil M$ for a must have application). I would suggest that you go with RH 10 which is now known as Fedora (http://fedora.redhat.com) which is currently with Core 1 release. Core 2 release is scheduled for Feb 14th. All in all, you may want to wait till the 14th and download the three CDs. I suggest you install everything and turn off what you do not need once you are booted up. Fedora has a nifty daemon called Yum. Yum will automatically update your system for you or you can do "yum update" as root. It's free and it's pretty nice. I will also suggest buying Crossover (http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxplugin/) so you can still get all the nifty web experience you're use to via IE without M$ anchor. ;-)
Dammy
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I tried Red Hat 6 and 8. 6 didn't install at all, and 8 was the version that looked just like Win95, so I lost interest pretty fast.
What exactly has been "stripped" out of the interface in Red Hat 9?
I think mandrake is a real nice way to get to know linux.
Hmm... then I have a few questions about Mandrake.
Does anyone have a problem where after you run the package installer, half of your system menu disappears, including the icon for Konsole? I have to type Alt-F2 to get a 'Run' dialog to bring up the Konsole, then use Perl to run the Mandrake config utility to "rebuild" the system menu. It's such a pain in the butt, and really reminds me of rebuilding the desktop on an old Mac, or rebuilding icons with TweakUI on Windows.
Also, I've found the Mandrake installer is really horrible at sorting out dependency problems. I tried to install some dev utilities, and it bowled me over with conflictions, but didn't give me more than one conflict at a time before aborting, forcing me to deselect one package at a time to figure out which packages were causing the problem. Just getting some C dev tools installed took me about 3 hours because of all the dependency problems!
Now that I've tried the package installer, I really miss "Setup.exe" :whack:
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Hi Waccoon,
I'm not at all techincally familiar with the intricacies of Linux, nor have I had any problem of this sort (re: dependancy probs), but maybe this link (http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=7411&forum=1) could point you in the right direction. Be warned, it is a slow site.
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voytech wrote:
best linux?
for:
security/server - debian (master-like knowledge required)..
daily use/fool around - slackware (some above shelf knowledge required)
I'd say the difficulty level is the other way around. Slackware requires more linux savvy than Debian..
All that Debian really needs is *Debian-savvy* as many things need to be done "the Debian way" in order for everything to continue running smoothly.
Both are just as fit to run as servers, either way you need to know what you're doing in order to have a secure system.
Personally, I run Slack on x86 hardware and Debian on everything else. :-)
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Hmm... I started with Mandrake (7 or 8?) and went to RedHat 9 back when Mandrake was in trouble, and released a few really crappy versions that didn't install at all.
RedHat 9 has proven to be quite stable and usable for me. Not as easy to finely configure, but then again, if you're just starting out, you probably don't want to jump into that much config at the very start.
RH9 seems to have fixed a lot of the dependency problems mentioned above. I've done some really strange stuff to mine, and it's kept its packages straight, even after a force or two, and a few installs from sources, etc. Also, a nice thing is that you can install apt-get on it, as well, thus giving you simple updates.
RH9 base is probably a little dated to start from by now, though. You should probably start with Fedora. I'm going to go to it pretty soon, myself.
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Redhat is fine but it is not the ideal distribution for home use. I would go for RH or Debian in a business environment, and Mandrake at home...
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Give gentoo a chance.
Aside from it's steep setup procedure, it's downhill from then on. Absolutely great package system (ports fron *BSD), very fast and will always be as up to date as you want it.
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my analogy of linux is that it's a kit car.
if you can put it together and make it work, then it's fantastic, if you can't? then it's a big pile of junk :-D
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dammy wrote:
by redrumloa on 2004/1/20 22:16:44
Any-hoo I'm attempting to swear off M$ completely, and going to give Red Hat another shot. So far the installer seems buggy, but I'll stick it out. Any other Red Hat users here?
I use RedHat on three systems (was four, had to go evil M$ for a must have application). I would suggest that you go with RH 10 which is now known as Fedora (http://fedora.redhat.com) which is currently with Core 1 release.
Excellent suggestion. Fedora really is "Red Hat Linux 10", only with a faster release/update cycle. It's still developed by Red Hat themselves - among others. The possible downside is that it's "only" community supported, you can't buy it in the stores as a Red Hat supported distribution. OTOH I have personally never bought any commercial Linux distro with support, and as usual the mailing lists and forums are filled with helpful people from Red Hat should you need assistance.
I understand that this is not suitable for all, as some apparently prefer to be told where they're allowed to buy their hardware and pay extra for it in order to participate on a Yahoo Groups mailinglist for their OS... ;)
Core 2 release is scheduled for Feb 14th.
Final release on April 2nd - April 5th (http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/), surely? Unless I've missed some good news...
Anyway, that will have goodies like kernel 2.6, GNOME 2.6, KDE 3.2...
I will also suggest buying Crossover (http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/cxplugin/) so you can still get all the nifty web experience you're use to via IE without M$ anchor. ;-)
Some have already mentioned the lack of included commercial/patented/"unfree" media support, which is a result of RH's/Fedora's "GPL-or-bust" policy. This is easily solved with a quick downloading session at e.g. FreshRPMs (http://freshrpms.net/), if you don't want to compile things like mplayer yourself. With mplayer/xine and Windows DLLs for WMP/Quicktime support plus OO.org and AbiWord/Gnumeric for MS Office support the only attraction with Crossover for me would be the Shockwave plugin.
Repositories like FreshRPMs can also be configured as additional sources for yum/up2date to keep third party stuff updated as easily as the Fedora Core stuff.