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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: nac on January 20, 2004, 08:08:56 PM
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So we have the new hardware and OS 4 is on the brink of being unleashed (PLEASE!!!) but what is going to happen after OS 4?
Will there be updates and continued development or will the Amiga be left to stand still for another 10 years?
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i'd guess the latter one :-D
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Im sure there will be updates getting os 4 done is more important .
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Im sure that there will be updates... there has been a lot of work put into OS4 im sure they are not going to just release it and let it go..
At least i hope not. I think its figures thats going to sell OS4 / amiga one, and tbh i think most "non amiga peeps" are going to go for the PC's which seem faster, ie Amiga one @ 800mhz or PC at 2.6GhZ for 1/2 the price? I think thats the biggest hill amiga needs to climb... moreso than the future releases of amiOS.
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An os4.0 owner will become
more like every pc user is...
Telling themselves over and over again
that they need a better processor
and a better graphics card
and then a better sound card
and so a better monitor
and then a better ...etc
If you keep wanting all your life,
you'll never like what you already have.
I dont care much for AOS4
because it looks like a whinedouze hybrid,
and plus that I LoVe AOS3.9 and 060 68k AGA 50fps.
Wonderfull setup.
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nac wrote:
So we have the new hardware and OS 4 is on the brink of being unleashed (PLEASE!!!) but what is going to happen after OS 4?
Will there be updates and continued development or will the Amiga be left to stand still for another 10 years?
My opinion is that OS4 currently is more of a "work of love", similar to AROS, but better organized and with far better developer support (much thanks to the brand). I am pretty certain that OS4.0 will be released, both in (several) betas and in a "final" version. I am also quite certain that updates will follow, like a "4.1" ...
A sustainable future is another thing. IMO, a sustainable future has less to do with technology and more to do with business. Who is going to make OS4 fruitful, who has the muscles?
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"and plus that I LoVe AOS3.9 and 060 68k AGA 50fps."
AOS3.9 on AGA sucks compared to any Amiga with graphic card (Classic or not).
50fps? and 50Hz of course. With a graphic card I can have 50fps AND 100hz so I don't burn my eyes like AGA users. Oh I almost forget it, thanks to my Picasso4 I can see AGA at 100Hz on my 20" Eizo. Try to do that with your plain AGA setup.
"I dont care much for AOS4
because it looks like a whinedouze hybrid,"
If that's your only problem you can define a 3.1 look.
BTW if you insist OS4 supports AGA. But it requires PPC of course... that was the point in releasing OS4, migrating to a pure PPC like MOS has already done.
"An os4.0 owner will become
more like every pc user is...
Telling themselves over and over again
that they need a better processor
and a better graphics card
and then a better sound card
and so a better monitor
and then a better ...etc"
why you upgraded to a 060? do you feel like a pc user? A 020 should be enough, shouldn't it?
your comment sounds childish to me.
Have you ever owned a big box amiga? I had a 2000, a 3000,a 4000 and now I've got a 4000T. If I can do anything faster why not upgrade? If someone doesn't want to upgrade it's ok for me, I prefer to make the computer wait me rather than the opposite.
Amigas has always been expandable.
Draco users are pc users because they don't use aga?
Toaster users are pc users because they use cards?
If someone uses birdie to put textures to its windows is he a pc user?
if you use 3.9 and you use amidock are you a pc user?
What's a "pc user"?
Come on if everyone thought like you we would still be using A500. we wouldn't use ide drives because peecee users use ide drives so they suck, and we wouldn't use serial or parallel because pc users also use it and blah blah blah
Do you use a HD? why you installed a hard disk in your 1200? are you becomin g a pc user? oh no! :-D
did you felt the need of doing your work faster? oh no! now you are a pc user!
bah! this is pathetic.
It's ok for me that someone thinks that a 060 AGA is ok for his needs, but if somebody updates his equipment or would like simply that his computer worked faster he does not become a pc user.
And for your information, most of Amiga users also own a pc due to their jobs and it's not the end of their lifes. They can have as much fun as you with their amigas.
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BTW I also own a Pegasos with MorphOS and it's a great system. It still requires some work but it kicks any 3.x ass.
Leave AGA and do the evolution baby!
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Crumb wrote:
BTW I also own a Pegasos with MorphOS and it's a great system. It still requires some work but it kicks any 3.x ass.
Leave AGA and do the evolution baby!
Is it smoother?
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OS4 currently is more of a "work of love", similar to AROS, but better organized and with far better developer support
Sir, that is a slur upon my character... Of course, you know this means war ;-) :lol:
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"Is it smoother?"
Pegasos works very smoothly. Even solid window movement is smooth (miles ahead of AGA). The pointer moves quite smoothly too. I have a voodoo 3500 at it works really well. It seems that Radeons work even better.
If you have never tested an Amiga with a decent graphic card, try it... you won't want to use AGA again :-D
If you are thinking that a gfx card on amiga works like the windows marquesine screensaver forget it. It works smoothly, and that's due to incompetent windows programmers.
Even an old card like a Picasso2 has a blitter much faster than AGA so you can move smoothly anything. We are not in the VGA times when pc gfx cards didn't use a blitter to move stuff.
Try to use Zorro3, PCI or AGP gfx cards. Zorro2 are a cheap solution if you already have zorros, if you don't have zorros go for a pci solution.
A Pegasos has the benefit of better and faster PCIs, AGP, IDE, a faster CPU, etc...
A1s should work well too (I don't know compared to Pegasos2, but anything is better than AGA and 68k)
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Crumb wrote:
BTW I also own a Pegasos with MorphOS and it's a great system. It still requires some work but it kicks any 3.x ass.
Leave AGA and do the evolution baby!
There will always be people who continue to use and foster their ageing machines. I remember that two years ago I came across a site of a guy who was still using an Amstrad computer. That's a Z80-based machine with, in its basic configuration, 64 KB (!!) of RAM. He had equipped it to the max, and it did everything he wanted to do. It made and still makes me wonder if people are still using their ZX Spectrums, VIC-20s, Tandy TRSs or even more ancient equipment than that.
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AGA can be fun for demos/intros because it's very limited and it's fun to "push the limits", but I don't agree with those comments about how wonderful AGA is compared to more modern machines.
You can do 50fps easily with a gfx card on a 680x0 (or ppc) Amiga.
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I have to saz that I fully agree with crumb in wht he says. Of course AGA is great and was a great invention back in the days, but since everything keeps on getting better, faster and looks nicer, you cannot use that old system anymore, and secondly, i think that this is going completly off topic, so yeah, i'm quite positive that there will be updates to the new AmigaOs, and yes, I think that what the developers of AOS4 are doing is a step towards making the position of the amiga look better. Of course, it cannot be seen as the final cure, but it is a good path they are going. So for me, i think there will be updates to AOS4, and there wil be more support towards the Amiga due to the A1 and other hardware that supports AOS4.
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That being said (I do use a PicassoII, BTW), I'm wondering if ANY Gfx Card can do Colour-Cycling? :-?
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It should be possible to make Clolour-Cycling changing the colour table...
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@Crumb: Yup, as the Allegro programming library handles color-shifting automatically on modern hardware. It can only be done with 256 or fewer colors, though. 16, 24, and 32-bit frambuffers work very differently.
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@Waccoon
"16, 24, and 32-bit frambuffers work very differently"
yes. That's why doing a simple colour fade is quite hard with 16 and 24 bit displays, you have to rewrite the entire display
I guess that thanks to the 8-bit transparency of a 32bit display it would be faster to do fades with 24bit screens
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I was trying to troll
as best I could.
dont be so hard on me...
When I said 50fps,
I ment on games. (even multitasking games)
The AOS3.x blit routines are actually very slow,
because James Conwell made assembly AGA blit routines
that are 5 times faster,
in his game Total Chaos (http://xavprods.free.fr/chaos/index.html).
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Cymric wrote:
There will always be people who continue to use and foster their ageing machines. I remember that two years ago I came across a site of a guy who was still using an Amstrad computer. That's a Z80-based machine with, in its basic configuration, 64 KB (!!) of RAM. He had equipped it to the max, and it did everything he wanted to do. It made and still makes me wonder if people are still using their ZX Spectrums, VIC-20s, Tandy TRSs or even more ancient equipment than that.
Read this (http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=c85cebb3.0306060617.3c178775%40posting.google.com&rnum=20&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Drun%2Ba%2Bbusiness%2Bon%2Ba%2Bspeccy%2Bgroup:comp.sys.sinclair%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Dc85cebb3.0306060617.3c178775%2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D20). You may find it quite enlightening :-)
Chris
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A comment about vga cards. Remember at the time AGA was developed and released many 8 bit vga cards were just coming of age with 256 colors (8 bit not 24 or 32 bit) and not all of them had bit block xfer capabilities and some of them even had separated and non-linear memory.
AGA was very forward thinking at the time, the thing I hated most that when it went into a "multiscan" mode pull-down screens didn't work or didn't show the screens behind correctly if they weren't in the same scan mode (which makes sense), you'd see a screen with nothing on it from that screen mode (without any mode promotion).
I think the one thing I miss and will always miss though is those pull down screens.. It made the Amiga paradigm unique compared to windows, but most OS'es and systems just uses windows but don't have separate screens (unless they have a "virtual" screen manager).
It was one of the truly unique and useful things the Amiga User Interface brought to the world..
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@DonnyEMU
And don't forget, AGA was a "hack" created after AAA had begun development.
Imagine if AAA was pushed instead for release in 1990 as originally planned.
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After all the hardcore Amiga users buy the hardware and os4 i would say that would be the end of the market for os4 and the A1.