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Title: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 26, 2012, 06:46:19 PM
Hello all!

What kind of converter do I need to connect my 1200 to VGA input?
My Amiga has been in a box to long now, and if there are any way to hook it up to my LCD TV it would be awesome.. the old monitor does not work that well :/


Cheers!
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: runequester on August 26, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Depends

1: If you set the 1200 up to output a VGA screen mode (DBL PAL or Productivity should work), you just need an adapter for the monitor cable. (RGB to VGA or some such). Those are a couple bucks from amigakit.

This works great for workbench and a few (very few) games.

2: If you want to play games etc, you need either a scan doubler (indivision or an external box) or an LCD that supports the amiga screen modes.


edit: If you are in europe, and have an LCD with scart, you can get scart adapters and you'll be all set. Damn NTSC standard
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lassie on August 26, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
Quote from: lekgroda;705314
Hello all!

What kind of converter do I need to connect my 1200 to VGA input?
My Amiga has been in a box to long now, and if there are any way to hook it up to my LCD TV it would be awesome.. the old monitor does not work that well :/


Cheers!

Hi you can use Composite video out cable, you know red, white, yellow and then connect them back on the tv, or RGB AV Scart Cable TV Lead. You can buy them on ebay or AmigaKit.com
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: runequester on August 26, 2012, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: lassie;705319
Hi you can use Composite video out cable, you know red, white, yellow and then connect them back on the tv, or RGB AV Scart Cable TV Lead. You can buy them on ebay or amikit.com


In europe, yes. In North America, they don't have scart, and the TV's are NTSC, while almost all amiga stuff is in PAL format. :mad:
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: danbeaver on August 26, 2012, 06:58:17 PM
There are several answers to that question; do you want cheapest cost, best AGA output, RTG output, best speed, most future expansion? There are as many answers as there will be responders; many folks will give their opinion as fact. Take each answer with a "grain of salt," and weigh the options yourself. You are the one you want to please, not someone with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lassie on August 26, 2012, 06:58:36 PM
Quote from: runequester;705320
In europe, yes. In North America, they don't have scart, and the TV's are NTSC, while almost all amiga stuff is in PAL format. :mad:


Yes you are right, i have not thought of that. glad you pointed that out
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: runequester on August 26, 2012, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: danbeaver;705321
There are several answers to that question; do you want cheapest cost, best AGA output, RTG output, best speed, most future expansion? There are as many answers as there will be responders; many folks will give their opinion as fact. Take each answer with a "grain of salt," and weigh the options yourself. You are the one you want to please, not someone with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder.



You mean the answer isn't "run out and buy 6000 dollars of obscure equipment on ebay, on the recommendation of some nutter on the internet" ? :angry:
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 26, 2012, 07:03:39 PM
Well then, seems there are some advantages to Europe after all haha.
Excellent... my LCD TV has scart connector.

Does Amigakit have any scart cables that would do the trick?
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: runequester on August 26, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
THey do, though I'm not sure which exact cable you'd want. Search for "scart" on their site, and you'll find a few.

And yes, for amiga stuff, being in Europe is the bee's knees :)
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lassie on August 26, 2012, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: runequester;705320
In europe, yes. In North America, they don't have scart, and the TV's are NTSC, while almost all amiga stuff is in PAL format. :mad:


Are there not many televisions in america that have scart? What are your standard connection in tv,s?
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 26, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
Yes, I had a look and found:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226

guessing that is what I am looking for

also, I found:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1094

*drooooling …* :D seems there will be quite a bit of nostalgia taking place here very soon :)
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lassie on August 26, 2012, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: lekgroda;705330
Yes, I had a look and found:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226

guessing that is what I am looking for

also, I found:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1094

*drooooling …* :D seems there will be quite a bit of nostalgia taking place here very soon :)


Yes your are about to take a trip back to yesteryear, where games were fun :)
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lassie on August 26, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
But that cable you found is the same i use in my 43 inch plasma and it works fine :)
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 26, 2012, 07:31:14 PM
Quote from: lassie;705332
But that cable you found is the same i use in my 43 inch plasma and it works fine :)


In deed :)

Sounds awesome :)
I only have 32”, but still much better than (I think) 14” commodore monitor..
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lassie on August 26, 2012, 07:36:18 PM
Quote from: lekgroda;705333
In deed :)

Sounds awesome :)
I only have 32”, but still much better than (I think) 14” commodore monitor..


Yes 32" is big for Amiga :)
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 26, 2012, 07:40:44 PM
Shame tho
I just gave away an old projector to a friend that I thought I had no need for that also had scart.. it did 200” without any problem :S ohwell..
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: desiv on August 26, 2012, 08:03:57 PM
Quote from: lassie;705329
Are there not many televisions in america that have scart? What are your standard connection in tv,s?

There are virtually no televisions with SCART in the U.S.  At least not that I've seen.

Other than cable, our TVs currently generally have HDMI and frequently composite.  Also, they often have component and VGA.

Less frequently, they still have S-Video.

desiv
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: danbeaver on August 26, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
As a person in America, there are limitations, but we suffer through -- I'll just keep to Amiga's and suffering.   My old TV's had composite and S-Video, my newer ones have VGA, DVI and HDMI.  Since I gave up on watching "Broadcast TV" years ago for Internet shows, I use my TVs as monitors. My A4000T can give me DVI-d, DVI-a, VGA, and HDMI over DVI-d. I use a 32 inch and 42 inch screen both with 1080x1920.  I was in Germany for several months and picked up a SCART cable for my Amigas, so life is not completely hopeless.
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 26, 2012, 08:14:10 PM
Hm, any particular reason why scart is not standard in US?
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: danbeaver on August 26, 2012, 08:34:16 PM
Any particular reason so much in the US has to do with politics and not reason or common sense?  

Many things here are decided by committee or the Golden Rule (money) and not logic nor compatibility; who needs world-wide standards when we have Rush Limbaugh type thinking (y'all in Europe just Google him).

Yes, I'm off topic; let's say GE, Westinghouse, and Edison set up a way of thinking in the US similar to the Monroe Doctorine, political views of Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson , and of course, Emminent Domain
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: danbeaver on August 26, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
Oh, there is no one named, "Emminent Domain " unless he is a rapper.

Sorry, liberal arts education.....
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 26, 2012, 09:04:24 PM
Haha, you know whenever you hear the name 'Rush Limbaugh' it never seems to be associated with anything good :P

But okay, I get the picture
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lassie on August 26, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Thanks for all your answers :) now i know a little about american televisions
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: utri007 on August 26, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
Note that not all tvs works with that cable. And usually IF you have 2 scart connectors second one will need this http://images.bidorbuy.co.za/user_images/255/466255_120216202050_scart2.jpg

Connect it composite output, not TV-output.
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 27, 2012, 08:17:15 AM
utri007: good to know, thank you
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: emuola on August 27, 2012, 10:52:42 AM
Scart has it's plusses and minuses... It can carry composite video, (true) rgb and s-video. The trick is that the connector is always the same, but *not all* of the pins are always connected and thus not all the aforementioned signal types are actually carried (depends on the cable and of course the computer and display).

The best picture quality (which actually is comparable with vga) is rgb via scart. The signal is not compressed, only the sync is different compared to vga. I can assure you that for example my belowed A1200 produces a great picture even when hooked up to a modern lcd pojector (1920 x 1080) via scart directly from the A1200 rgb out. Qualitywise the possible signals carried via scart are (in descending order):

1. rgb
2. s-video
3. compos(h)ite
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 27, 2012, 11:56:05 AM
emuola;
all right, well, I will see how this works out when I get the scart cables I ordered :)
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: som99 on August 27, 2012, 01:29:12 PM
Since no one mentioned, if you want VGA without buying a scandouble/flixerfixer you can use a Arcade game converter GBS-8220, they work decent and the price is fair.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ARCADE-GAME-CONVERTER-CGA-RGB-YUV-EGA-to-VGA-GBS-8220-Promotion-/250899701935?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3a6ac9a0af#ht_7741wt_1020
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: lekgroda on August 27, 2012, 06:20:33 PM
som99;
Thanx :)
Allthough I am keeping my fingers crossed regarding the scart cable I ordered.
Title: Re: Amiga 1200 to VGA
Post by: psxphill on August 27, 2012, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: lekgroda;705339
Hm, any particular reason why scart is not standard in US?

SCART only became standard in 50hz regions because France made the connector mandatory for connecting minitel decoders & it was cheaper to make one standard TV and sell it to everyone.
 
Because 60hz TV's were different and never offered RGB inputs, 60hz devices that output it were rare. Component video took off instead.