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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: lassie on August 15, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
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Hi do you know if i can put Workbench 3.0 in my Amiga 2000? or is it just for aga amigas. and if i can, do i have to change anything
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Workbench 3.x will run on any Amiga.
(Even a modified A1000)
3.0 and 3.1 will run fine on a 2000..
I haven't used 3.5/3.9, and they should run, but I'm not sure if they might be sluggish or not (wanting more CPU/RAM depending on your 2000 setup). I've heard people say both...
But there's no AGA requirement for 3.x.
desiv
p.s. This implies you have upgraded upgraded your Kickstart ROM also..
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Hi do you know if i can put Workbench 3.0 in my Amiga 2000? or is it just for aga amigas. and if i can, do i have to change anything
You WILL need a 3.0 or 3.1 Kickstart ROM chip though. (Unless you softkick Kickstart 3.0 or 3.1).
Sorry som99 :razz:
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The A2000 can run 3.1 without any problem but you need kickstart 3.x.
edit: dang paul1981 was faster then me ^^
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Workbench 3.x will run on any Amiga.
(Even a modified A1000)
3.0 and 3.1 will run fine on a 2000..
I haven't used 3.5/3.9, and they should run, but I'm not sure if they might be sluggish or not (wanting more CPU/RAM depending on your 2000 setup). I've heard people say both...
But there's no AGA requirement for 3.x.
desiv
Many thanks for your answer :-) then i dont need to change kickstart roms?
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Technically, you can't run 3.0 on an A2000 since 3.0 ROMs were never made available. But you can do 3.1 :)
3.5 and 3.9 require an 020 accelerator and some Fast RAM.
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Many thanks for your answer :-) then i dont need to change kickstart roms?
I was adding my p.s. as everyone else was posting about the kickstart. Yeah, you need a kickstart ROM. ;-)
desiv
(Kual, learn something new every day.. I didn't know there wasn't a 3.0 2000 ROM. ) ;-)
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Workbench 3.1 requires at least 2 MB of Fast Ram to perform properly.
I used to run it with 4 MB of Fast Ram and a 1 MB of Chip Ram on my Enhanced A1000 w Rejuvinator board and KS 3.1 Rom.
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Workbench 3.1 requires at least 2 MB of Fast Ram to perform properly. .
I hadn't heard that before and I haven't been able to find any "requirements" listings online.
I only ever used it on my 1200..
What's your definition of "properly?"
From what I can tell, 3.1 appears to be a pretty minor change from 3.0...
desiv
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Workbench 3.1 requires at least 2 MB of Fast Ram to perform properly.
I used to run it with 4 MB of Fast Ram and a 1 MB of Chip Ram on my Enhanced A1000 w Rejuvinator board and KS 3.1 Rom.
Using ClassicWB lite and not using the extra stuff and picking wb 1.3 theme plus using 4 color mode and it will run OK on 1MB ECS machines.
Edit: Ive tried it myself so I know it works fine.
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I run 3.1, 3.5, and 3.9 on my A2000. I have and 030 accelerator, 8mb of fast ram, and 3.1 ROM. It has ECS. I don't know about a standard, unaccelerated 2000. Try it and see. :)
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I run 3.1, 3.5, and 3.9 on my A2000. I have and 030 accelerator, 8mb of fast ram, and 3.1 ROM. It has ECS. I don't know about a standard, unaccelerated 2000. Try it and see. :)
No sense trying. It will NOT work! 3.5 & 3.9 require at least an '020 CPU.
I have an A2000 with an '030 that I run 3.5 on. 3.9 runs to slow, and hogs way to much memory. This is a great setup for the A2000/2000HD
As other's have stated, there was no 3.0 KS ever made for the A2000, only 3.1, but that works out fine.
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No sense trying. It will NOT work! 3.5 & 3.9 require at least an '020 CPU.
Only a fraction of 3.5 and 3.9 really requires 68020, all really important updates since 3.1 runs just fine on 68000 as well. I know this since I put together OS 3.9 for my minimig that only has a 68000.
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Many thanks for your answer :-) then i dont need to change kickstart roms?
If you have enough ram then you can use mkick to soft load a kickstart 3.1 image. It's not going to be legal, but it is possible.
Back in the day, I ran kickstart 2.05 and 3.0 on my a500 using a blizzard turbo board that allowed loading images from disk. With no real problems.
I switched to mkick when I got a hard drive that didn't work with the blizzard board. I bought a 3.1 upgrade when they became available.
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I hadn't heard that before and I haven't been able to find any "requirements" listings online.
What's your definition of "properly?"
desiv
I've tried WB3.1 with 1 meg...
it ran out of ram opening a window/folder?
you might get away with 1 meg if you just want to use it as a clock?
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I've tried WB3.1 with 1 meg...
it ran out of ram opening a window/folder?
you might get away with 1 meg if you just want to use it as a clock?
Read what I wrote a few posts back, ive ran it on 1 meg using ClassicWB lite no extras minimal install, WB 1.3 theme and 4 color mode, it runs fine, not optimal but fine.
Edit: I would still rather use an older WB version, but it will work.
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Read what I wrote a few posts back, ive ran it on 1 meg using ClassicWB lite no extras minimal install, WB 1.3 theme and 4 color mode, it runs fine, not optimal but fine.
but that's just pointless?
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but that's just pointless?
Pointless yes, but the original poster asked if he could run it, not if it's practical, but doing as I said and you will be left with about 500KB chip left (you can remove a bit to save a lill more), Depending on what you want to do 500KB is plenty or nothing, so ill leave it up to the thread starter to decide if it's somehting he want to do or not. Still nothing I would use in the long run.
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Pointless yes, but the original poster asked if he could run it, not if it's practical, but doing as I said and you will be left with about 500KB chip left (you can remove a bit to save a lill more), Depending on what you want to do 500KB is plenty or nothing, so ill leave it up to the thread starter to decide if it's somehting he want to do or not. Still nothing I would use in the long run.[/QUOTE
Thanks again for your input, then i know this also :)
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Thanks again for your input, then i know this also :)
Your welcome, by the way ive been a lill bussy but ill try to take a look in my basement tonight after a SCSI drive for you :)
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Workbench 3.1 requires Kickstart 3.1 (3.0 might work too) and 512K RAM, you will have about 300K to play with after booting up, but installing 3.1 actually requires 1M because of the bloated installation tool and its huge script.
The installation is just a matter of copying files, so if you have a way of transferring files onto the hard drive of your 512K Amiga then you can just finish the installation in WinUAE and move the files over and you're good.
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Your welcome, by the way ive been a lill bussy but ill try to take a look in my basement tonight after a SCSI drive for you :)
Okay thanks just take your time to look :)
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I have gone online on IRC with 1MB, played MUDs with 1MB, and run a few programs at once comfortably, on an A600 with Kickstart 3.1 and Workbench 3.1. Here's an old video showing a multi-window MOD player playing some music while I change the palette presets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTLvrhlNdyc
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It is possible run wb 3.1 with kickstart 3.0
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It is possible run wb 3.1 with kickstart 3.0
You can use the workbench 3.1 disk on kickstart 3.0, but as workbench itself is stored in rom then it won't be much different.
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It is possible run wb 3.1 with kickstart 3.0
I imagine that's actually a pretty common combo :) I never noticed any drawbacks, but ended u pgetting the 3.1 ROM's anyways, just in case
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I've run Workbench 3.1 on several Kickstart 3.0 A1200s over the years without a single problem. I don't think I ever even used Workbench 3.0 at all. It is 100% compatible, and probably improved over 3.0, even on 3.0 ROMs. It is only certain software that requires Kickstart 3.1, as well as Workbench 3.5 and 3.9 of course.
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No sense trying. It will NOT work! 3.5 & 3.9 require at least an '020 CPU.
I have an A2000 with an '030 that I run 3.5 on. 3.9 runs to slow, and hogs way to much memory. This is a great setup for the A2000/2000HD
As other's have stated, there was no 3.0 KS ever made for the A2000, only 3.1, but that works out fine.
Yes you are right even on my Amiga 4000/30 with 18 MB RAM 3.9 is not so fast. It takes a long time to boot up. Are there something i can do to make it faster? change color or background picture etc?
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Yes you are right even on my Amiga 4000/30 with 18 MB RAM 3.9 is not so fast. It takes a long time to boot up. Are there something i can do to make it faster? change color or background picture etc?
Somewhat. Add more fast RAM, and use routines that allow using Fast RAM rather than chip RAM for as much as possible. I am not familiar with all of the routines/programs that do this however. Maybe some others can help here.
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I tried 3.1 on A500, no problem if you have only 1MB chip but not stable if you have 512KB chip + 512KB slow.
Has anyone tried it too? :confused: