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Title: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: MelbourneBen on August 15, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
Hi All,

Are the Kictstart ROM chips from an AGA amiga interchangable? For example could I use the 2 kickstart 3.1 rom chips from my A1200 in an A4000? I'm pretty certain that the chips would fit but are there any differences in the kicstart software itself to handle slight differences in the hardware?  

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: Crumb on August 15, 2012, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: MelbourneBen;703599
Hi All,

Are the Kictstart ROM chips from an AGA amiga interchangable? For example could I use the 2 kickstart 3.1 rom chips from my A1200 in an A4000? I'm pretty certain that the chips would fit but are there any differences in the kicstart software itself to handle slight differences in the hardware?  


A1200 rom includes specific drivers for pcmcia and ide and A4000 rom includes drivers for a4000 ide. These are not interchangable. Use Blizzkick or buy new roms :-)
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: wa9yoz on August 15, 2012, 04:21:07 PM
Quote from: Crumb;703601
A1200 rom includes specific drivers for pcmcia and ide and A4000 rom includes drivers for a4000 ide. These are not interchangable. Use Blizzkick or buy new roms :-)
Just learned something new!....Now where can I get the 3.1 ROM for my A-4000?
I'm in the US.
Thanks
Tony
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: Foul on August 15, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
A1200 40.068 Rom :

Code: [Select]
KickInfo 1.2 © 1995 MJSoft -- analysing `1483a091.rom'
File size=080000, Ident=1114, Entry=00F800D2, Ver=40.68, ExecVer=40.10
IntSize=080000, Checksum=87BA7A3E/87BA7A3E
Kickstart ID: Kick40068.A1200

Modules:
F800B6 exec 40.10 (15.7.93)
F83706 alert.hook
F837B8 expansion 40.2 (9.3.93)
F837D2 diag init
F84290 romboot
F842AA strap 40.1 (8.3.93)
F851A8 graphics 40.24 (18.5.93)
F9F2B8 dos 40.3 (1.4.93)
FA825E fs 40.1 (15.2.93)
FAE1D8 console 40.2 (5.3.93)
FB1E5C layers 40.1 (15.2.93)
FB5040 scsidisk 40.12 (21.12.93) [A600]
FB79B2 con-handler 40.2 (12.5.93)
FBA170 gameport 40.1 (8.3.93)
FBA19A keyboard 40.1 (8.3.93)
FBA1C4 input 40.1 (8.3.93)
FBB7A4 audio 37.10 (26.4.91)
FBC844 cardres 40.4 (4.5.93)
FBD428 utility 40.1 (10.2.93)
FBDDE8 battclock 39.3 (20.4.92)
FBE750 carddisk 40.1 (12.2.93)
FBF080 ramlib 40.2 (5.3.93)
FBF4A4 ramdrive 39.35 (21.5.92)
FBFA98 cia 39.1 (10.3.92)
FBFE88 misc 37.1 (8.1.91)
FBFF3A wbtag 39.1 (20.4.92)
FC0008 potgo 37.4 (28.1.91)
FC0140 filesysres 40.1 (15.2.93)
FC02E0 disk 37.2 (21.4.91)
FC0628 mathffp 40.1 (16.3.93)
FC0AC4 timer 39.4 (29.7.92)
FC18B4 mathieeesingbas 40.4 (16.3.93)
FC2754 keymap 40.4 (12.3.93)
FC33D4 bootmenu 40.5 (17.3.93)
FC3414 syscheck
FC49E4 trackdisk 40.1 (12.3.93)
FC66EC icon 40.1 (15.2.93)
FC8B88 ram 39.4 (9.8.92)
FCAFEC shell 40.2 (4.3.93)
FCF498 intuition 40.85 (5.5.93)
FE8E14 gadtools 40.4 (24.5.93)
FEE9C0 wb 40.5 (24.5.93)
FFFDB0 battmem 39.2 (6.3.92)
Kickety-Split: 11114EF9 00F80002

A4000 40.070 rom :

Code: [Select]
KickInfo 1.2 © 1995 MJSoft -- analysing `75932c3a.rom'
File size=080000, Ident=1114, Entry=00F800D2, Ver=40.70, ExecVer=40.10
IntSize=080000, Checksum=47BCEC13/47BCEC13
Kickstart ID: Kick40070.A4000T

Modules:
F800B6 exec 40.10 (15.7.93)
F8370E alert.hook
F837C0 timer 39.4 (29.7.92)
F845AC ramdrive 39.35 (21.5.92)
F84BA0 expansion 40.2 (9.3.93)
F84BBA diag init
F85700 scsidisk 40.20 (18.2.94) [A4000]
F881E4 NCR scsi.device
F8C160 gameport 40.1 (8.3.93)
F8C18A keyboard 40.1 (8.3.93)
F8C1B4 input 40.1 (8.3.93)
F8D794 utility 40.1 (10.2.93)
F8E150 misc 37.1 (8.1.91)
F8E26C ram 39.4 (9.8.92)
F9067A wbtag 39.1 (20.4.92)
F90742 con-handler 40.2 (12.5.93)
F92F00 console 40.2 (5.3.93)
F96B84 disk 37.2 (21.4.91)
F97B58 dos 40.3 (1.4.93)
FA0AD8 bonus 40.1 (15.2.93)
FA0BFE fs 40.1 (15.2.93)
FA6B78 graphics 40.24 (18.5.93)
FC0008 bootmenu 40.5 (17.3.93)
FC0048 syscheck
FC161C mathieeesingbas 40.4 (16.3.93)
FC24BC layers 40.1 (15.2.93)
FC5670 mathffp 40.1 (16.3.93)
FC5B0C ramlib 40.2 (5.3.93)
FC5F30 battmem 39.2 (6.3.92)
FC6114 icon 40.1 (15.2.93)
FC8544 wbfind 40.1 (7.6.93)
FC876C cia 39.1 (10.3.92)
FC8B5C audio 37.10 (26.4.91)
FC9C54 shell 40.2 (4.3.93)
FCE0DC keymap 40.4 (12.3.93)
FCED5C romboot
FCED76 strap 40.1 (8.3.93)
FCFC74 trackdisk 40.1 (12.3.93)
FD1980 battclock 39.3 (20.4.92)
FD230C intuition 40.85 (5.5.93)
FEBC88 gadtools 40.4 (24.5.93)
FF181C potgo 37.4 (28.1.91)
FF1954 filesysres 40.1 (15.2.93)
Kickety-Split: 11114EF9 00F80002

:banana:
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: Lizard on August 15, 2012, 05:13:46 PM
Quote from: wa9yoz;703625
Just learned something new!....Now where can I get the 3.1 ROM for my A-4000?
I'm in the US.
Thanks
Tony

Amigakit sells them: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=40_99
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: psxphill on August 15, 2012, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: Foul;703630
A1200 40.068 Rom :
A4000 40.070 rom :
 
Code: [Select]
KickInfo 1.2 © 1995 MJSoft -- analysing `75932c3a.rom'
File size=080000, Ident=1114, Entry=00F800D2, Ver=40.70, ExecVer=40.10
IntSize=080000, Checksum=47BCEC13/47BCEC13
Kickstart ID: Kick40070.A4000T
 
Modules:
F800B6 exec 40.10 (15.7.93)
F8370E alert.hook
F837C0 timer 39.4 (29.7.92)
F845AC ramdrive 39.35 (21.5.92)
F84BA0 expansion 40.2 (9.3.93)
F84BBA diag init
F85700 scsidisk 40.20 (18.2.94) [A4000]
F881E4 NCR scsi.device
F8C160 gameport 40.1 (8.3.93)
F8C18A keyboard 40.1 (8.3.93)
F8C1B4 input 40.1 (8.3.93)
F8D794 utility 40.1 (10.2.93)
F8E150 misc 37.1 (8.1.91)
F8E26C ram 39.4 (9.8.92)
F9067A wbtag 39.1 (20.4.92)
F90742 con-handler 40.2 (12.5.93)
F92F00 console 40.2 (5.3.93)
F96B84 disk 37.2 (21.4.91)
F97B58 dos 40.3 (1.4.93)
FA0AD8 bonus 40.1 (15.2.93)
FA0BFE fs 40.1 (15.2.93)
FA6B78 graphics 40.24 (18.5.93)
FC0008 bootmenu 40.5 (17.3.93)
FC0048 syscheck
FC161C mathieeesingbas 40.4 (16.3.93)
FC24BC layers 40.1 (15.2.93)
FC5670 mathffp 40.1 (16.3.93)
FC5B0C ramlib 40.2 (5.3.93)
FC5F30 battmem 39.2 (6.3.92)
FC6114 icon 40.1 (15.2.93)
FC8544 wbfind 40.1 (7.6.93)
FC876C cia 39.1 (10.3.92)
FC8B5C audio 37.10 (26.4.91)
FC9C54 shell 40.2 (4.3.93)
FCE0DC keymap 40.4 (12.3.93)
FCED5C romboot
FCED76 strap 40.1 (8.3.93)
FCFC74 trackdisk 40.1 (12.3.93)
FD1980 battclock 39.3 (20.4.92)
FD230C intuition 40.85 (5.5.93)
FEBC88 gadtools 40.4 (24.5.93)
FF181C potgo 37.4 (28.1.91)
FF1954 filesysres 40.1 (15.2.93)
Kickety-Split: 11114EF9 00F80002
:banana:

Thats the A4000T kickstart 3.1, not the A4000. As well as the ID, you can tell by the NCR scsi and wbfind instead of wb.
 
It's possible that an a1200 kickstart would work in an a4000.
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: som99 on August 15, 2012, 06:13:40 PM
Quote from: wa9yoz;703625
Just learned something new!....Now where can I get the 3.1 ROM for my A-4000?
I'm in the US.
Thanks
Tony


There you go, in stock and all :)
http://www.vesalia.de/e_kickstart[153].htm
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: motrucker on August 15, 2012, 09:04:36 PM
Quote from: som99;703638
There you go, in stock and all :)
http://www.vesalia.de/e_kickstart[153].htm

Sure, with ten times the shipping cost!
Stick with Amigakit.
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: som99 on August 15, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
Quote from: motrucker;703664
Sure, with ten times the shipping cost!
Stick with Amigakit.


Amigakit only has 4000T roms that's why I linked Vesalia, since the 4000T roms are missing  workbench.library it's worth the extra shipping to get 4000D roms. But that's just my opinion and up the the buyer to decide.
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: Foul on August 16, 2012, 12:25:06 PM
Quote from: psxphill;703637
Thats the A4000T kickstart 3.1, not the A4000. As well as the ID, you can tell by the NCR scsi and wbfind instead of wb.
 
It's possible that an a1200 kickstart would work in an a4000.


Exact ! wrong line .. sorry ..

You can find it all here : http://foulcap.free.fr/Amiga/  :)
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: Crumb on August 16, 2012, 02:33:56 PM
Quote
It's possible that an a1200 kickstart would work in an a4000.

You would lose IDE support. A1200 roms may try to initialize ide at wrong address & pcmcia so perhaps it's not a good idea. A4000 in A4000T on the other hand would probably work but you would lose motherboard scsi support.
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: hese7 on August 16, 2012, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: motrucker;703664
Sure, with ten times the shipping cost!
Stick with Amigakit.

What, is Amigakit any cheaper?
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: RedskullDC on August 17, 2012, 10:03:12 AM
Hi psxphill, et al.
Quote from: psxphill;703637

It's possible that an a1200 kickstart would work in an a4000.


Possible? I don't think so, but not recommended.

For starters, the A4000 kickstart has routines in the boot code to set the state of the MAPROM function on the A3640 card, which the 1200 kickstart doesn't.

Cheers,
Red
Title: Re: Are 3.x Kicstart Roms the same for A1200 and A4000?
Post by: Ratte on August 18, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
A1200 roms can be used to locate errors on the a4000-hardware.
Broken Buster or other Zorro-problems.

ide is different, a4000/a3000.bonus is missing (onboard mem)
zorro is missing