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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: takemehomegrandma on July 25, 2012, 09:59:32 AM
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36052&forum=32&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#673979
With RC1 out we (the bounty team) decided that bounty requirements were met. Of course we hope that new bugs will be fixed and speed and stability improved over time but all in all the Friedens have met the requirements.
Apparently, the money was transferred yesterday and the bounty was closed at the same time.
Congratulations goes to the Friedens! Now don't spend it all on candy! ;)
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Mother of god! You said something positive about the red camp! :eek:
;)
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Mother of god! You said something positive about the red camp! :eek:
;)
Well, finally having (after so many years) a fully working web browser solution (the OS4 version of Odyssey (or "MUI-OWB" as they still call it erroneously, for some strange reason) isn't even close to the latest MorphOS version in fundamental areas) is certainly a milestone for OS4 worth highlighting in a thread of its own here on Amiga.org! :)
It must feel good for them to finally not having to resort to using two or three different browsers anymore on a single www session! :)
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hey grandma are you ok ? no seriously;)
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I continue using IBrowse as my main WWW app. To my understanding so does many others. (MOS and AOS4 users)
Is there any hope for new PPC native build of IBrowse?
(on pages that IB does not work, I try netsurf, then OWB, then Timber. Speed matters on my 667Mhz system.)
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I find IBrowse so hideously out of date on my SAM I'd be better off sending smoke signals to webservers. When it does display things, it crashes. Most of the time it just doesn't show anything properly.
I honestly don't know how anyone can use it in this day and age. I'd rather use Lynx.
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I continue using IBrowse as my main WWW app.
Surely you're not serious? You can't be using the web much then... :lol:
To my understanding so does many others. (MOS and AOS4 users)
I'd be very surprised if a single MorphOS user is using Ibrowse as their main web browser, or indeed even having it installed on their computer at all.
Is there any hope for new PPC native build of IBrowse?
Odyssey certainly is like a 2012 version of Ibrowse, i.e. a true Amiga browser but in 2012 standards.
Speed matters on my 667Mhz system.
If you have to resort to using Ibrowse because of your limited CPU resources, then you clearly have a much too weak computer. Complex web pages and HD media content is everywhere now, that kind of stuff is part of the common daily routine for desktop systems today, and even my $129 Efika MX handles this just fine. There are no shortcuts, you need a certain minimum level of performance in desktop today, using ancient and obsolete applications like Ibrowse certainly isn't the answer...
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I use OWB on my 600MHz Sam 440ep... I guess different people have different levels of acceptability of speed.
I very rarely use IBrowse, it's just not compatible enough. When I do use a "classic" browser I use AWeb, anyway.
I didn't know the Efika MX could run MorphOS...? I thought it was an 800MHz ARM? Wouldn't be fair to compare Linux (which has much more resources) a Cortex A-8 based system with a Sam running AmigaOS (or MorphOS if it existed on that platform).
It is nice to see TMHG posting positive news about AOS4? Could this be a sign of a new co-operation and mutual respect between camps? Please? :)
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I use OWB on my 600MHz Sam 440ep... I guess different people have different levels of acceptability of speed.
I very rarely use IBrowse, it's just not compatible enough. When I do use a "classic" browser I use AWeb, anyway.
I didn't know the Efika MX could run MorphOS...? I thought it was an 800MHz ARM? Wouldn't be fair to compare Linux (which has much more resources) a Cortex A-8 based system with a Sam running AmigaOS (or MorphOS if it existed on that platform).
It is nice to see TMHG posting positive news about AOS4? Could this be a sign of a new co-operation and mutual respect between camps? Please? :)
http://www.genesi-tech.com/efika
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http://www.genesi-tech.com/efika
That's the Efika, not the MX though (which is a completely different beast). Or am I missing something...?
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It is nice to see TMHG posting positive news about AOS4? Could this be a sign of a new co-operation and mutual respect between camps? Please? :)
Surely you jest.
btw-for those who post one side of their "personna" here and a different one on moo...
If someone tells you that Timberwolf will require payment in the future, they are simply BS'ing. Timberwolf will ALWAYS remain a free program, just like Firefox is a free program. Even if sale of the program would even be possible (I don't believe it is), we would never do that. Feel free to quote me on that wherever someone tell you otherwise.
tfrieden
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Surely you jest.
btw-for those who post one side of their "personna" here and a different one on moo...
If someone tells you that Timberwolf will require payment in the future, they are simply BS'ing. Timberwolf will ALWAYS remain a free program, just like Firefox is a free program. Even if sale of the program would even be possible (I don't believe it is), we would never do that. Feel free to quote me on that wherever someone tell you otherwise.
tfrieden
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So they plan to change the name from Timberwolf? Interesting...
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I continue using IBrowse as my main WWW app. To my understanding so does many others. (MOS and AOS4 users)
The only reason to use iBrowse on MorphOS is when you are using an Efika, because of the 128MB memory limit and even there it is possible to use OWB, if you pick the right version and save memory where you can. Speed if more than fine. It even plays videos, so speed is not an issue. Tabs and picture loaded pages are making OWB usage on Efika a pain for sure.
OWB on MorphOS has all iBrowse features, looks like it, is for free and even is included on the MorphOS CD.
Why would anyone mess with an outdated web browser, which produces the longest websites on the planet? (missing style sheet support) If you prefer that look you can configure OWB to look like ibrowse again and to create the same ugly page layouts.
Geit
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If you have to resort to using Ibrowse because of your limited CPU resources, then you clearly have a much too weak computer. Complex web pages and HD media content is everywhere now, that kind of stuff is part of the common daily routine for desktop systems today, and even my $129 Efika MX handles this just fine. There are no shortcuts, you need a certain minimum level of performance in desktop today, using ancient and obsolete applications like Ibrowse certainly isn't the answer...
And that is exactly the problem. There is no affordable os4.x hardware that has anywhere near enough power.
I dont know how rc1 is of timberwolf, but the earlier was at least completely unusable on my sam system.
And there is no way I will ever afford the x1000 either.
Even though Ibrowse is ancient, it is at least more useable than timberwolf on such a low end system.
As a main browser I use mui-owb/odyssey though.
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Ibrowse works okay on my A1200 :) It doesn't crash barely ever, but it IS slow of course.
I couldn't get it work on MOS, but OWB works great in any event.
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Why would anyone mess with an outdated web browser
It works on every Amiga site I visit. It's fast and efficient. And it's familiar.
And sometimes it's nice to have another browser while the otherone slows down with some scripts...
(for some reason MUIOWB does not start any more ... I'll wait for the next update, RA-OWB is pretty limited and little slower (far better in web compatibility than IB, though), netsurf is not much better than IB to my eyes, TW is too slow to be fun to use on my HW, I use it only on mandatory thing(s) where others fail, etc.)
My MOSMINI is not in active use yet. But for some reason some MOSMINI users use IB. Perhaps similar reasons that I have?
one more thing: For some reason, on AOS4 I get fastest download speeds with IB.
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It works on every Amiga site I visit. It's fast and efficient. And it's familiar.
And sometimes it's nice to have another browser while the otherone slows down with some scripts...
(for some reason MUIOWB does not start any more ... I'll wait for the next update, RA-OWB is pretty limited and little slower (far better in web compatibility than IB, though), netsurf is not much better than IB to my eyes, TW is too slow to be fun to use on my HW, I use it only on mandatory thing(s) where others fail, etc.)
My MOSMINI is not in active use yet. But for some reason some MOSMINI users use IB. Perhaps similar reasons that I have?
one more thing: For some reason, on AOS4 I get fastest download speeds with IB.
Dunno but on my Amigas IBrowse is useless due to its lack of SSL. It does support it through 3rd party libs but I really cant bother to download half of Aminet to get 10 years old browser running. Only disadvantage in OWB to IBrowse is memory consumption but then OWB does support lot more features than IBrowse.
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@number6
If someone tells you that Timberwolf will require payment in the future, they are simply BS'ing. Timberwolf will ALWAYS remain a free program, just like Firefox is a free program. Even if sale of the program would even be possible (I don't believe it is), we would never do that. Feel free to quote me on that wherever someone tell you otherwise.
Sorry, but that statement is kind of BS if they decide to tie the future final version to OS4.2 (which it looks like they'll do?), which won't be free at all. The money goes to the same pockets, only through a different route (via the other product they tie it to), and you won't be able to use Timberwolf unless you pay. Smoke and mirrors. Heh.
@Tomas
And that is exactly the problem. There is no affordable os4.x hardware that has anywhere near enough power.
I dont know how rc1 is of timberwolf, but the earlier was at least completely unusable on my sam system.
The RC2 release seems to be even less usable, judged by the comments on AmigaWorld.net? Wonder how it would feel on a 5121e based "G2" netbook with about half the performance of the highest-end Sam 440? Sure, at $300 (or whatever) it may be affordable, but if it can't be used for Internet or for viewing todays media files etc, it will be kind of useless, and then suddenly $300 will seem like a lot of money...
Obviously there is still (and will be in future as well) a tangible need for Odyssey on OS4. A much more resource efficient browser, an *Amiga* browser in its true sense (not just by "theme" (is Timberwolf even properly "themed" BTW?)), that in a NoSVG version runs pretty decent even on an Efika (only 128MB RAM and the same CPU resources as the rumored OS4 netbook). No bloat, and it's free!
@takemehomegrandma
With RC1 out we (the bounty team) decided that bounty requirements were met. Of course we hope that new bugs will be fixed and speed and stability improved over time but all in all the Friedens have met the requirements.
Well, in RC2 it seems like stability decreased (and the speed as well, at least for some users), so in hindsight I guess "the bounty team" (whoever "they" are, anybody knows?) were perhaps a bit too eager to pay out the bounty money? And I wonder why? Sure, I guess close friends scratches each others backs some times, but €7,000 of community bounty money is actually a lot of "back scratching"...
I think Itix and and cgutjahr are raising fair points: 1 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36132&forum=32&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#674500), 2 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36132&forum=32&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#674617), 3 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=36121&forum=49#674098), 4 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=36121&forum=49#674108), 5 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36132&forum=32&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#674651)
I actually thought they had released a working, usable product when I wrote the initial post in this thread (the pay-out of the bounty money had me fooled I guess), which doesn't seem to be the case, and I apologize if I was part in spreading confusion/delusion about this... :rolleyes:
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rants removed
I actually thought they had released a working, usable product when I wrote the initial post in this thread (the pay-out of the bounty money had me fooled I guess), which doesn't seem to be the case, and I apologize if I was part in spreading confusion/delusion about this... :rolleyes:
You've always been ... are and will always be a clown to my eyes!
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TMHG >> It is good that MOS does not rely on old used HW and tha apple still produces PPC HW, right?
I don't really get your logick.
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You've always been ... are and will always be a clown to my eyes!
Although I *was* fooled by the €7,000 bounty money being paid out in full (I really thought this meant a product that was practically finished, and not a friend doing another friend a favor by giving him the €7,000 way too early in development), you are the real fool here, because only a real fool would recent to insults and character assassination instead putting in meaningful arguments to a discussion. But you haven't got any, that's obvious. Still you had to say *something*, you couldn't simply sit silent, so you called me a clown. Heh.
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TMHG >> It is good that MOS does not rely on old used HW and tha apple still produces PPC HW, right?
I don't really get your logick.
:confused:
Honestly, I really don't understand WTF you are trying to say here? Where did that come from? What does "apple still produces PPC HW" has to do with Timberwolf? And then you are talking about "logic"? Are you drunk?
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The RC2 release seems to be even less usable, judged by the comments on AmigaWorld.net? Wonder how it would feel on a 5121e based "G2" netbook with about half the performance of the highest-end Sam 440?
I guess that asking you to remeber previous posts are to much to ask.
My point is this: there are HW being made for AOS4, where it would seem that MOS realies on used ppc macs, sure they come cheap, but they are used and not produced any more.
So MOS options are to move to ARM, x86 or some thing else, and thus loose compatibility with MOS SW or start using AOS4 HW.
So all I am saying is, please don't b!tch about AOS4 HW being slow, it is still in production.
I hope I am making myself clear now.
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(A lot of pointless OT ramblings about MorphOS and its potential future migration paths deleted)
So all I am saying is, please don't b!tch about AOS4 HW being slow, it is still in production.
I hope I am making myself clear now.
I guess that asking you to actually read previous posts in the thread is too much to ask.
It was not *me* who "complained" about poor performance of OS4 HW, open your eyes! Someone else said he used IBrowse as his main(!) web browser because of speed issues, despite it being *completely obsolete* and ancient, and another said Timberwolf was "completely unusable" on his Sam system also because of poor speed because of not enough power in the HW.
And here you are babbling away about Mac HW, WTF?
Odyssey (NoSVG version) runs OK even on Efika 5K2, which is half the performance of the highest end Sam 440. Timberwolf is obviously (according to testimonies here) unusable on a system with twice that power. To me, this looks like a SW issue, an issue of *bloatware*, not about second hand PPC Mac's or whatever you try to make it about. That is completely off topic!
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So in reality you made this thread, as yet another bashing.
I just pointed to where you atarted mentioning slow HW, it wouldnt be the first time you were bashing AOS HW, even though MOS rely on used HW.
Apparently I didn't make myself clear before. What ever.
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Although I *was* fooled by the €7,000 bounty money being paid out in full
Sorry... i dont read the full thread, but... someone somewhere have 7000eur of a bounty just to make some kind of homebrew software?
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