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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: nscaleworld on July 19, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
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I was wondering what classic Amiga software works with Amiga OS 4.1.
I would like to use the following on my new Amiga One computer:
- Final Writer
- Final Data
- Diskmaster 1.x
- Brilliance
Do any classic Amiga games work with Amiga OS 4.1?
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Final Writer - works
Final Data - works
All other two I don't have it, so I don't know.
Aboout 90 % of the games I test with RuninEUAE works fine in my system, I have a Sam440flex at 800 MHz.
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I was wondering what classic Amiga software works with Amiga OS 4.1.
I would like to use the following on my new Amiga One computer:
- Final Writer
- Final Data
- Diskmaster 1.x
- Brilliance
Do any classic Amiga games work with Amiga OS 4.1?
If it runs in UAE then it should work on OS4, just like it would in Windows, OS X, Linux.
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You might have a look in this thread: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29215&forum=32&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
Some posts have tips how to install 68k software, some posts have rather comprehensive information about runable software. Furthermore there's IntuitionBase and a somewhat outdated but still helpful list of 68k software and their behaviour in an OS4.x enviroment ("Classic Software): http://www.intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php
About games: Most of them are more or less "hard coded" to an Amiga, so UAE is the only chance to get them running - nevertheless there are *some* 68k games that are working without the need for a UAE setup, i.e. Soliton, Foundation, Nemac 4.
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I have never really used WinUAE because I do have real Amiga computers. I do not want to have to run an Amiga emulator on my AMIGA One computer. So, I really need to know what classic Amiga software works with Amiga OS 4.1 without the use of an Amiga emulator. My Amiga One computer will take the place of my 3.6 GHz AMD PC (short for Piece of Crap). I am sick and tired of Winblows XP Unprofessional and Winblows 7 Unprofessional. I want to use Amiga OS 4.1 as an alternative.
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I have never really used WinUAE because I do have real Amiga computers. I do not want to have to run an Amiga emulator on my AMIGA One computer. So, I really need to know what classic Amiga software works with Amiga OS 4.1 without the use of an Amiga emulator. My Amiga One computer will take the place of my 3.6 GHz AMD PC (short for Piece of Crap). I am sick and tired of Winblows XP Unprofessional and Winblows 7 Unprofessional. I want to use Amiga OS 4.1 as an alternative.
Most software that doesn't directly access the hardware will run without the need for UAE.
As mentioned above Final Writer and Final Data will run without the need for UAE. There's a native port of Diskmaster 2. Brilliance may need UAE to run.
With the latest update UAE is automatically installed along with Chris Hindley's RunInUAE which goes some way to making UAE fell more integrated with OS4.
For example if you have a game in ADF image you can simply double click on it like any application and UAE will automatically start running in it's own window or screen and load the game.
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Most software that doesn't directly access the hardware will run without the need for UAE.
As mentioned above Final Writer and Final Data will run without the need for UAE. There's a native port of Diskmaster 2. Brilliance may need UAE to run.
With the latest update UAE is automatically installed along with Chris Hindley's RunInUAE which goes some way to making UAE fell more integrated with OS4.
For example if you have a game in ADF image you can simply double click on it like any application and UAE will automatically start running in it's own window or screen and load the game.
Sounds good. I am selling my Amiga 3000T for $800. As soon as it is sold, I will order my Sam440ep Flex 733 Mhz motherboard and Amiga OS 4.1 from ACube Systems. I saw an Amiga One Motherboard blow the fraken doors off of a 3.6 GHz AMD pc on YouTube. It was really impressive how a 733 MHz Amiga One computer was running circles around a Winblows 7 Unprofessional pc. Really funny stuff. :lol:
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I saw an Amiga One Motherboard blow the fraken doors off of a 3.6 GHz AMD pc on YouTube. It was really impressive how a 733 MHz Amiga One computer was running circles around a Winblows 7 Unprofessional pc. Really funny stuff. :lol:
And where have you seen an amigaone under OS4 playing Youtube in the browser, exactly? If you did, it was in Timberwolf, and i doubt a 3.6GHz PC would be slower than 1 frame every two seconds like it is on OS4+SAM.
Now, if you mean you saw another way to play youtube content with an external player, ok, but it's a bit different. ;)
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I do not want to "defend" Windows but you can do there a lot of things with its huge software-base that you cannot with AmigaOS (or right now any other "Amigian" OS). I work with Win7 at work and partly at home and AmigaOS is certainly not able to replace Windows. And when I would like to see the youtube video where AOS with 733 MHz is beating easily 3.6 GHz. I would estimate that the creator did all to make Windows looking bad and his "favorite" OS looking good.
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No, I mean that I saw a video on YouTube, made by Dan Wood, where he compared a 733 MHz Amiga One computer from power off to surfing the web and a 3+ GHz AMD pc doing the same thing. From power off to surfing the web, the 733 MHz Amiga One did it in about 10 seconds, the 3+ GHz AMD pc took over 2 minutes to do the exact same thing.
I am talking about another person on YouTube showing off Amiga OS 4.1 on his 733 MHz Amiga One computer. He loaded up Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3, and Workbench. He had each program in its own window, at different resolutions, and he was dragging the screens around. My 3.6 GHz AMD pc can NOT do that, and if I tried, my pc would crash or choke and die. Once again, the Amiga blows the fraken doors off the pc. It is funny how a pc has to be at least 3 times faster then an Amiga computer, just to keep up with it. :lol:
Anyway, we are starting to get off topic.
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If I can do the following things on an Amiga One computer, I will nolonger be using a pc:
- Surf the web
- sell on eBay
- Run my online business
- Create my web pages
- Run a word processor
- Run a data base
- play music
- play videos
- Print using a HP Inkjet printer
The only thing that I will continue using my pc for is for WoW and FPS games, basicly another video gaming console, like an XBOX.
Millions of people are fed up with Microshaft and Winblows and are looking for an alternative platform. I would like to help ACube Systems push the Amiga One platform here in the USA. It is time for the Amiga computer to return. This time, with myself leading the team here in America, and providing we can get the financial backing we will need, the Amiga will be the number one personal computer in the world. We will spend millions of dollars on advertising. We will actually state that the Amiga computer is the best personal computer in the world, always has been, and we will dare Microsoft, Intel, and Apple to prove us wrong. I will do what Commodore should have done to begin with. I WILL NOT DROP THE BALL!
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Why start small? :-)
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I WILL NOT DROP THE BALL!
I believe you already did, or rather you never had the ball to begin with.
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We will spend millions of dollars on advertising.
Better to spend millions of dollars in development first.
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I have never really used WinUAE because I do have real Amiga computers. I do not want to have to run an Amiga emulator on my AMIGA One computer. So, I really need to know what classic Amiga software works with Amiga OS 4.1 without the use of an Amiga emulator. My Amiga One computer will take the place of my 3.6 GHz AMD PC (short for Piece of Crap). I am sick and tired of Winblows XP Unprofessional and Winblows 7 Unprofessional. I want to use Amiga OS 4.1 as an alternative.
Are you for real?. Good luck then.
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If I can do the following things on an Amiga One computer, I will nolonger be using a pc:
- Surf the web
- sell on eBay
- Run my online business
There is a browser.
Notepad should be sufficient.
There are plenty of options to choose from. Kindwords, Word Perfect 4 and Finalwriter 97 to mention few.
LiteSQL port does exist.
No probs. FullHD may have some minor issues though.
- Print using a HP Inkjet printer
The only thing that I will continue using my pc for is for WoW and FPS games, basicly another video gaming console, like an XBOX.
No idea about HP Inkjet printer. My BJC-4000 was supported but I dont remember was it HP or Canon brand.
Millions of people are fed up with Microshaft and Winblows and are looking for an alternative platform. I would like to help ACube Systems push the Amiga One platform here in the USA. It is time for the Amiga computer to return. This time, with myself leading the team here in America, and providing we can get the financial backing we will need, the Amiga will be the number one personal computer in the world. We will spend millions of dollars on advertising. We will actually state that the Amiga computer is the best personal computer in the world, always has been, and we will dare Microsoft, Intel, and Apple to prove us wrong. I will do what Commodore should have done to begin with. I WILL NOT DROP THE BALL!
Sounds cool.
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I believe you already did, or rather you never had the ball to begin with.
What I mean is, if I do "get the ball" I will not drop it, like Commodore did. ACube Systems are on the right track with their boards and Amiga OS 4.1. But, they should think world-wide, not just Europe. Most of you have given up hope on the Amiga, and to you, it is just a hobby. Well, I know that the Amiga can become a mainstream computer. In fact, with the right marketing stratagy, the Amiga computer can be number one. It takes a person with Amiga-size balls to do it, that person is me. If you want to beat the big boys, you have to be aggressive. If they think that I actually pose a threat to their business, they will first offer to buy me. If that does not work, they will have me killed! But, that is the chance I am willing to take, for a computer that I really do believe in.
Millions of people, all over the world, are fed up with Windows, Intel, and the over-priced Apple computers. Now is the perfect time to bring back the Amiga.
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Why start small? :-)
LOL!
Have to clean the coffee off my keyboard now.
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LOL!
Have to clean the coffee off my keyboard now.
Oddly, fear of being killed over this is not a new thought.
The author of "freeamiga" posted that same concern on AW back in the day.
And apparently, you've missed a longer thread about Would you support a company that decided to support Amiga? (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36055&forum=17&viewmode=flat&order=0)
You need to catch up.
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Oddly, fear of being killed over this is not a new thought.
The author of "freeamiga" posted that same concern on AW back in the day.
And apparently, you've missed a longer thread about Would you support a company that decided to support Amiga? (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36055&forum=17&viewmode=flat&order=0)
You need to catch up.
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I probably do. :biglaugh:
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Oddly, fear of being killed over this is not a new thought.
The author of "freeamiga" posted that same concern on AW back in the day.
And apparently, you've missed a longer thread about Would you support a company that decided to support Amiga? (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36055&forum=17&viewmode=flat&order=0)
You need to catch up.
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Actually I have been following that thread off and on. However I don't really see much in there that hasn't already been played in one form or another over the past 12 years. If things ever get out of the "Hey Gang let's put on a musical! We can use that barn down the road and I know a Hollywood star who's just dying for a launching pad to Broadway!" stage then maybe something worth commenting on will appear. You know, a solid product, actually being produced in quantity, for sale, and actually having something to do with the real Amiga. Until then it's just more of same.
OT, but I'm more interested in reading about RoqueFort's struggles with his UPS. Specifically, how did he manage to plug a keyed connector in the wrong way?
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If things ever get out of the "Hey Gang let's put on a musical! We can use that barn down the road and I know a Hollywood star who's just dying for a launching pad to Broadway!"
Someone is just bound to steal that line unless you ® it.
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"ACube Systems are on the right track with their boards and Amiga OS 4.1"
Yeah because selling 10 year old spec hardware for MORE than todays spec prices is the right track, using an os that doesn't do flash, smp, overlay or any other modern os features. is that really "on the right track"?
some people are just delusional when they link os4 has any hope of gaining any significant market share. Its a hobby os, and unless they port to hw that makes sense (arm or intel) and do significant work on the os so that it can compete with modern os systems like windows,osx or linux, thats where it will stay.
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Haven't found a NG Amiga system yet that can even come close to serving as a replacement for my Windows PC's, unfortunately. That includes my SAM and Mac Mini.
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Whats frustrating is that each NG option has problems...
Os4 systems too slow to do anything, won't running many classic games right without frame skipping and stuttering sound,no youtube, no good apps for creative folks (video or audio editors?) crazy expensive.
I think morphos inexpensive hw is too slow for many things... which is unfortunate because the cost of ownership is much lower than os4.
Aros is looking like the option that has the best chance of being able to be an everyday os, because it will run on fast hardware but it really needs better browsing like morphos, and a way to support multiple cores (same for morph and os4) Its a waste running aros on a dual or quad core intel pc.
All of the systems are decent, but no replacement for your everyday work os.
I hope they all continue to improve.
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Hd-Rec and OctaMED Sound Studio (with Maestrix) work like a charm from what I've seen.
Not rich enough to own OS 4 my self though. :/
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Hi,
Karlos makes me laugh
smerf
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I believe you already did, or rather you never had the ball to begin with.
Hi,
Boy, are you brutal
smerf
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@nscaleworld
Some Amiga 68K programs require the Classic Amiga chipset or some stuff from AmigaOS 3.1.
I think Brilliance 2.0 might be one of these programs. It crashes immediately if I try to launch it directly on OS4, but it is quite happy with AmigaOS 3.1 running on the OS4 PPC version of E-UAE. I use an older version of E-UAE than the one distributed with the latest version of OS4. Just haven't got around to upgrading to the newer version of E-UAE.
Just to clarify... I tried Brilliance 2.0 only. Brilliance 1.0 uses a dongle.
Final Writer 97, Cloanto Personal Paint and TVPaint run fine directly on OS4 and do not require E-UAE.
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redfox
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@nscaleworld
Some Amiga 68K programs require the Classic Amiga chipset or some stuff from AmigaOS 3.1.
I think Brilliance 2.0 might be one of these programs. It crashes immediately if I try to launch it directly on OS4, but it is quite happy with AmigaOS 3.1 running on the OS4 PPC version of E-UAE. I use an older version of E-UAE than the one distributed with the latest version of OS4. Just haven't got around to upgrading to the newer version of E-UAE.
Just to clarify... I tried Brilliance 2.0 only. Brilliance 1.0 uses a dongle.
Final Writer 97, Cloanto Personal Paint and TVPaint run fine directly on OS4 and do not require E-UAE.
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redfox
On OS4.0 I got Brilliance/True Brilliance V2 working by using ModePro using multiple screen definitions. Unfortunately, like DPaint, it is not fully functional despite a patch that was developed.
The interesting part though is that I have different screens (Brilliance picture/Brilliance Menu) on the same monitor at the same time, without need to use mouse to bring up the menu.
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Thanks number6.
I just remembered that I get a small window that says "Unable to open display" when I try to launch Brilliance or True Brilliance from OS4. If I recall correctly they default to 320 x 200 screen when I use E-UAE. I don't have this choice available in my normal OS4 screenmodes.
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Thanks number6.
I just remembered that I get a small window that says "Unable to open display" when I try to launch Brilliance or True Brilliance from OS4. If I recall correctly they default to 320 x 200 screen when I use E-UAE. I don't have this choice available in my normal OS4 screenmodes.
I'm running it without E-UAE of course.
I could give you a step-by-step using ModePro, but even with the blitter emulator, it is just more of a curiosity to see it running, due the issues.
Oh, and it's possible you're hung up actually on the Brilliance warning screen. If you recall running under OS3.x, you get a requestor regarding whether SetPatchMrgCop is installed or not. If you can't get passed that you have no shot of starting the program on NG.
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