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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: Elwood on July 10, 2012, 08:15:22 PM
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Bassano del Grappa - 10 July, 2012
After a long time, one of ACube Systems' best seller is back!
Starting from today, and for a limited time, we want to celebrate summer with a new batch of the Sam440ep Flex boards at an incredible price!
Sam440ep Flex @ 667Mhz - € 270
Sam440ep Flex @ 733Mhz - € 310
(all prices excl. local taxes were applicable - AmigaOS 4.1 not included).
PLEASE NOTE:
This new batch is equipped with a new Uboot release that adds support for booting from PATA devices connected to VIA VT6421 controller.
An Uboot update will be made available in the next days for all other Flex boards.
For orders please visit our online shop http://www.acube-systems.biz/shop
Grab your board while you can!
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Way to go Acube! Great price for a quality & well supported system:pint:
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What about the SAM440EP-FLEX COMPLETE CUBE SYSTEM (mini cube desktop model)?
That's the one I want to buy.
Bassano del Grappa - 10 July, 2012
After a long time, one of ACube Systems' best seller is back!
Starting from today, and for a limited time, we want to celebrate summer with a new batch of the Sam440ep Flex boards at an incredible price!
Sam440ep Flex @ 667Mhz - € 270
Sam440ep Flex @ 733Mhz - € 310
(all prices excl. local taxes were applicable - AmigaOS 4.1 not included).
PLEASE NOTE:
This new batch is equipped with a new Uboot release that adds support for booting from PATA devices connected to VIA VT6421 controller.
An Uboot update will be made available in the next days for all other Flex boards.
For orders please visit our online shop http://www.acube-systems.biz/shop
Grab your board while you can!
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330$ for 1998 speed hardware? Awesome!
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330$ for 1998 speed hardware? Awesome!
So why don't you manufacture a new system from scratch that will run AmigaOS4.x for a better price ? And then provide great customer support and i'll bet you'll come to the conclusion that ACube are Amiga fans first and foremost and hopefully a little profit is gained to support the next model :-)
But then again it's easier to criticize from your arm chair eh
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Seems like a good price to me considering the cost of a PPC board.
Pointless sarcastic comments don't add anything to the thread.
I am tempted but I doubt m wife will allow it :(
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330$ for 1998 speed hardware? Awesome!
Not their fault your exchange rate smells.
Wish I could trade some of my 1998 hardware for one.
Plaz
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Good price, likely half of what I paid for my EP when I bought it new.
Hopefully the 460 boards get a price cut soon, I'm very interested in one of those but they are still a bit too steep for my tastes and my 440ep still gets the job done well.
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Seems like a good price to me considering the cost of a PPC board.
Pointless sarcastic comments don't add anything to the thread.
I am tempted but I doubt m wife will allow it :(
You are not allowed to be sarcastic? :confused: You really need to stand up for yourself a bit more!
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You are not allowed to be sarcastic? :confused: You really need to stand up for yourself a bit more!
ha ha ha beat me to it
that guy is sooooooooounder the thumb
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Hey, that's less than I paid for a used AmigaOne G3 600MHz. Not bad.
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Hey, where's TMHG? Usually by this time he's reminding the whole world why it's beneficial for us to buy mac mini's instead. So how many G4 power macs can one by for the cost of one of these...
I hope he's not sick. I'm getting worried.
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330$ for 1998 speed hardware? Awesome!
The trouble is that much slower 1998 hardware, i.e. CSPPC and BPPC, often sells for far more than this.
Good to see the price drop lowering the cost of entry to those that are interested in running OS4.
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The trouble is that much slower 1998 hardware, i.e. CSPPC and BPPC, often sells for far more than this.
Good to see the price drop lowering the cost of entry to those that are interested in running OS4.
Great point that comes up ever time OS4.x hardware is mentioned.
The cost of those old PPC cards for the classics keep going up due to the demand and the slowest Sam system will run much faster than the fastest PPC card.
Still shocks me the bidding wars on EBay for the PPC cards!
@ Kesa
I was wondering the same thing about our friend Piru :-) odd they missed an OS4 related thread.
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ha ha ha beat me to it
that guy is sooooooooounder the thumb
Maybe his wife puts out a /lot/
You lose some, you win some :)
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You are not allowed to be sarcastic?
Constantly being sarcastic on the same topic gets so predictable; mostly beating the sarcasm and being just annoying. (All in IMHO).
greets,
Staf.
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"Hey, where's TMHG? Usually by this time he's reminding the whole world why it's beneficial for us to buy mac mini's instead. So how many G4 power macs can one by for the cost of one of these...
I hope he's not sick. I'm getting worried."
Since you mentioned it...
I think you could buy 5 or 6 power pc macs for the price of the least expensive os4 board... Or at least 2 or 3 really decent spec ones.
And remember, the benchmarks prove not only are those old power pc macs faster than any SAM board, they are faster than the x1000 which costs 3,000$+
I love amiga, I wish all flavors the best but talk about shooting yourself in the foot... Its ridiculous. People are allowed to be sarcastic when the prices are so ridiculous for 10+ year old hardware speeds.
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It's a hobby - no one is paying vast amounts of money to beef up legacy systems, or for pricey NG OS4 PPC boards, or for expensive OS licenses for old Mac PPC hardware for any reason other than the love of the platform.
It's about fun, start taking it too seriously you realize it's just a big race towards obsolescence. We buy and use what we use cause it's fun, and in a world where 3ghz commodity PC's can be had for $400 at a Best Buy, you gotta pay to play if you want to be different.
Pick your poison and enjoy it I figure.
Benchmarks on these systems mean absolutely nothing because no one in their right minds would use these systems for intensive tasks like rendering or encoding when you have a far faster PC available. I'm not going to run Blender on MOS or OS4 hardware for production stuff just because I can, I'll bring out the big guns. Benchmarks on the Amiga platform is a pecker measuring contest and nothing more :)
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Constantly being sarcastic on the same topic gets so predictable; mostly beating the sarcasm and being just annoying. (All in IMHO).
greets,
Staf.
+1
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What is the cheapest a newly manufactured powerPC board /can/ be sold for?
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What is the cheapest a newly manufactured powerPC board /can/ be sold for?
history says efika for $99
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So let's make it a little less gimp, and say 200'ish.
How much did the Pegasos machines go for back in the day ?
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"Hey, where's TMHG? Usually by this time he's reminding the whole world why it's beneficial for us to buy mac mini's instead. So how many G4 power macs can one by for the cost of one of these...
I hope he's not sick. I'm getting worried."
Since you mentioned it...
I think you could buy 5 or 6 power pc macs for the price of the least expensive os4 board... Or at least 2 or 3 really decent spec ones.
And remember, the benchmarks prove not only are those old power pc macs faster than any SAM board, they are faster than the x1000 which costs 3,000$+
I love amiga, I wish all flavors the best but talk about shooting yourself in the foot... Its ridiculous. People are allowed to be sarcastic when the prices are so ridiculous for 10+ year old hardware speeds.
I'm not sure about the relevance of benchmarking Amiga systems. The reason is that benchmarks don't take into account nostaglia and perception. These are impossible to measure using numbers so you can use all the benchmarks you like it doesn't mean much at the end of the day. Sure my macmini is cheaper, higher quality (debatable) and has higher performance when compared to the Sams but an Apple is still an Apple. All these little Amiga benchmarks prove is that i am not a robot but in fact a human being with emotions.
I love my Morphos but can't stand my mini because it's an Apple. Any ideas how to benchmark that? Good luck.
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So let's make it a little less gimp, and say 200'ish.
How much did the Pegasos machines go for back in the day ?
When Pegasos 2 G4 was new it was sold at 499e (motherboard only) so it was not cheap. This Sam440ep is cheaper but also lot slower. Relatively pricing is ok.
@Kesa
Sure my macmini is cheaper, higher quality (debatable) and has higher performance when compared to the Sams but an Apple is still an Apple.
How is some Acube or A-eon hardware more nostalgic than Apple? To be honest I dont see difference. If you want nostalgia go buy real Commodore Amiga 500.
All these little Amiga benchmarks prove is that i am not a robot but in fact a human being with emotions.
I know it is difficult to let old trademark go... ten years I bought Amiga gear (games, magazines, software, hardware...) to support Amiga companies and so on and finally I had to let it go. All that money wasted on CU Amiga or Amiga Format, poor quality Amiga games and what not. The Amiga is not coming back.
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When Pegasos 2 G4 was new it was sold at 499e (motherboard only) so it was not cheap. This Sam440ep is cheaper but also lot slower. Relatively pricing is ok.
Remember that those 499Euro included VAT and free access to the OS (MorphOS1.4x in that case) while none of it is included in the SAMs being offered.
Depending on exchange rates then and now these SAMs might actually turn out a little more expensive then a Peg2 for some folks.
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Remember that those 499Euro included VAT and free access to the OS (MorphOS1.4x in that case) while none of it is included in the SAMs being offered.
Depending on exchange rates then and now these SAMs might actually turn out a little more expensive then a Peg2 for some folks.
Was Pegasos 2 G3 600MHz sold at 299 or 399 EUR?
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299
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I buy one
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@Kesa
How is some Acube or A-eon hardware more nostalgic than Apple? To be honest I dont see difference. If you want nostalgia go buy real Commodore Amiga 500.
I didn't say it was. But there is a difference. Apple takes away any nostaglia that's there but the Sams don't. Everytime i use my Macmini i am constantly reminded it is an Apple and i don't think the Sams would do this.
Also i said perception and not just nostaglia. These two emotions are very different.
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How is some Acube or A-eon hardware more nostalgic than Apple? To be honest I dont see difference. If you want nostalgia go buy real Commodore Amiga 500.
I know it is difficult to let old trademark go... ten years I bought Amiga gear (games, magazines, software, hardware...) to support Amiga companies and so on and finally I had to let it go. All that money wasted on CU Amiga or Amiga Format, poor quality Amiga games and what not. The Amiga is not coming back.
Simply put they were designed and made by Amiga users for Amiga users.
I still have my original A500 & A1200 and they unfortunately have been neglected ever since I got my old Samflex back in 2009.
You say supporting Amiga companies is a waste of time and I say it gives me great joy to know that my favourite OS is still alive today and being actively developed. When I use my X1000 and AspireOS on my netbook I get this feeling of resilient pride and my wife & friends tell me I always have a mischievous smirk on my face :-)
You say 'wasted money' but I say 'priceless';)
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To me there's a huge difference between buying a brand spanking new, purpose built machine like a Sam, and buying someone else's cast-off. I know that effectively they're similar, but it's a psychological thing. Plus there are things that I love about my Sam which an Apple can't do, for instance the massively low power consumption and silence (it has an SSD), as well as the fact that it's using something a bit esoteric like the 440ep chip rather than a standard G4.
And it has the added advantage that it's helping toward the future. Buying a used PowerMac doesn't encourage any new hardware in the future, buying a Sam or X1000 encourages and rewards the people working on it, and new hardware which in turn is likely to be more powerful than current machines (OS4 or MOS) can be built.
That's why I prefer going the bespoke hardware, anyway. Horses for courses, though, really, of course.
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I understand that some want "dedicated hardware", something special that most others not have. But when we want to grow and get some life again we need concepts that are attractive to "outsiders", even for people that never owned Amiga in their life and not just nostalgic feelings. Most people outside never used "Amiga" in their life and I do not see anything regarding AOS and MOS that could attract new users. Where are the new ideas and innovatations?
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what's up with AmigaOS and MorphOS?
I'm buying a SAM to run Linux.
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You buy a SAM to run Linux? There are certainly cheaper ways to do that...
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@spirantho
A vintage Mac Mini capable of running MOS with a non-SSD hard drive has an idle power consumption of 23w and a max of 110w, with a thermal output of 79 BTU/h idle and 376 BTU/h Max. How does that compare with your Sam440ep Flex?
Modern Mac Minis are more efficient but don't run MOS....
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@spirantho
In two years Acube and A-eon are gone and OS4 is left without any new hardware.
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I understand that some want "dedicated hardware", something special that most others not have.
Acube doing for us cool and sexy hardware.
There is no reason to sacrifice it.
Rather, the rest of the community should do something to attract new users.
For example, MorphOS, why keep this system closed source?
MOS team will not earn money, on sale of MorphOS dedicated hardware.
MorphOS should be open source.
And MOS team should join forces with AROS developers.
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"And MOS team should join forces with AROS developers."
I already tried to start to discuss it as least but the answer was clearly no. It will never happen. Hyperion will develope AOS as long there are enough people that pay the updates and the MorphOS team is not definitely not interested. I do not think the MorphOS team acts this way because of money. Perhaps they are so proud on their "baby" that it is out of discussion. Partly there are legal reasons (copyrighted parts)
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@ppcamiga1
Rather than trying to find new users we should concentrate on retaining old ones. There's really very little that would attract outsiders, and not enough money to change that.
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@spirantho
In two years Acube and A-eon are gone and OS4 is left without any new hardware.
I'd love to know how do you calculate this, based on Eyetech lifespan? Kamelito
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one thing I don't get, the biggest bashers here seems to be the MOS users. "Its underpowered" "its 1998 all over again" "Dont rely on old HW" "The amiga wont have any new HW in x amount of years" Yet, what new HW does MOS support? Sooner or later, sticking to old ppc mac will get you just that, old hardware.
Who cares about cpu clock, the sam is not about power, rather, to me at least, the opposite, low power usage.
I still use my A1200/060 no moving parts at all, doesnt make a sound, not even the floppies. Its underpowered compared to +3ghz what-ever cpu. But I still enjoy using my amiga.
And you know, the easiest thing to do is web-bashing, that doesnt require anything at all.
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Great. Next month i'm getting a ep460 though. I just have to. There's an empty spot under my computerdesk that needs to be filled:) Has anyone tried Crux or Debian btw on ta 440/460 btw? Or maybe there's an netbsd dist even? (I wouid like to dualboot with some unix/linux thingy)
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Not tried Linux on a 460 specifically, but have used it extensively on my 440ep. Runs like a champ (Debian).
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I'd love to know how do you calculate this, based on Eyetech lifespan? Kamelito
It is just too expensive support this ecosystem. There will be a day they say enough is enough and quit Amiga market.
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@yssing
Nah, SAM is just ok and current price ~300 is quite reasonable.
Hmm btw:
I still use my A1200/060 no moving parts at all, doesnt make a sound, not even the floppies. Its underpowered compared to +3ghz what-ever cpu. But I still enjoy using my amiga.
But you rather bash those who want GHz machines instead of 667MHz? Hmm...
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330$ for 1998 speed hardware? Awesome!
Indeed! Glad I spent a similar amount of money on a MUCH faster peecee (I'll spend money on my A1200, though) :D
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Indeed! Glad I spent a similar amount of money on a MUCH faster peecee
Hero. Which topic is this forum about, recently? "I spend money on a cheap PC" and "How to install Windows 8"? Oh dear.
In two years Acube and A-eon are gone and OS4 is left without any new hardware.
Oh no! Not again! ;)
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So why don't you manufacture a new system from scratch that will run AmigaOS4.x for a better price ? And then provide great customer support and i'll bet you'll come to the conclusion that ACube are Amiga fans first and foremost and hopefully a little profit is gained to support the next model :-)
But then again it's easier to criticize from your arm chair eh
new system??.... Sam440ep Flex is old it was first released in 2008 for the os4... its standard was then of the 1998. today it is 2012 and in a few months we hit 2013. things move forward, people are already struggling with slow system. because 660mhz isn't enough for the os4. so they could just drop the 660mhz model, and just sell the 730mhz as minimum system for only €170... in 1 year or so this system will be useless for the internet, it will be like trying to get your old 1995 pc/mac on the internet with windows 1995/os9.
Sam440ep Flex is like an appetizer, before the big dinner. in this case the big dinner is the X1000... if money is short, just save up your money for the X1000. in 2013 it will get a price drop too, that i am sure about.
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I will buy a complete system. Do you guys ship to the US? How much for the AmigaOne 500 in US dollars? Does it include Amiga OS 4.2? What can I do to make this computer last for at least 20 to 30 years?
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Hero. Which topic is this forum about, recently? "I spend money on a cheap PC" and "How to install Windows 8"? Oh dear.
Yep, you're right, sometimes I just can't resist :(
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Itix >> If you felt that I was bashing at people with ghz machines, then either you misread what I wrote or my formulation was wrong. Naturally I didnt bash ghz owners, that would be bashing myself.
All I ment was, I use and enjoy using my A1200/060.
Anyway, these prices are pretty low, and I would love a AOS4 system but alas can't afford alot, yet, so this is a great entry price for me.
Fell free to think and feel what you want, I to will enjoy that freedom.
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Well holy poo... This is down to a price I just might consider. Far out.
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I am sorely tempted to buy one of the cheapest ones but is the difference between the 667 & 733 really noticeable?
I wish I could afford an x1000 but it is so far out of my league especially when I cant be sure it will be money well spent.
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If you spend money for your hobby, it is never well spent :) At least my wife thing so.
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@spirantho
In two years Acube and A-eon are gone and OS4 is left without any new hardware.
Maybe Acube are already working on their next generation.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35140&forum=33&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#665335
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Maybe Acube are already working on their next generation.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35140&forum=33&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#665335
:drink: see what happens when you support current good Amiga suppliers:cool:
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Or maybe there's an netbsd dist even?
Not yet. (http://wiki.netbsd.org/users/rkujawa/sam4x0/)
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@spirantho
In two years Acube and A-eon are gone and OS4 is left without any new hardware.
Hmmm ... I wonder how they survived by now, not how they would survive from now, since situation has improved in every aspect at least a bit.