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Title: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 21, 2012, 03:17:49 AM
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/15452-commodore-amiga-1000x-minus-the-keyboard-garage-and-custom-keyboard

Seems like an okay design for a case, but its a horrible name for a computer considering we already have amigaone x1000.


I guess they are behind in spamming this forum with their stuff...

At least they have progressed beyond vinyl stickers I suppose, but still, an amiga this is not.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 21, 2012, 03:18:28 AM
BTW, I wonder if this will be 3,000$ too. :)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: AmmoJammo on June 21, 2012, 03:21:17 AM
sorry, don't need a new "IBM compatible" pc.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: desiv on June 21, 2012, 03:24:54 AM
I can see what they were thinking...  But they missed it for me..
(Not that I would buy one, too cheap, but still)

For it to be 1000 themed, it HAS to have a keyboard drawer.
I actually think it looks a bit more like a CDTV; very stereo/video equipment looking.
Except for the metal look.

I thought the 64X was OK.  Too expensive for my tastes, but it looked a lot like the C64.

But since then, I haven't been impressed.

desiv
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Kesa on June 21, 2012, 03:27:31 AM
Ugly case. The Amiga engraving is positioned in a really strange way in my opinion. It seems paradoxical to me that the all aluminium case implies simplicity at the same time they insist on logo overload.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: commodorejohn on June 21, 2012, 03:29:46 AM
Ugly and poorly laid out. Fittingly so.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 21, 2012, 03:30:51 AM
Probably because the logo is their only selling point. They want to make sure everyone sees the only thing they have worth buying.

I think they should just manufacture stickers and case badges. At least then people would be able to make their own "amigas" just like them! hahaha. :p
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Duce on June 21, 2012, 03:32:04 AM
Case looks to be a Wesena E5 case, with the Commodore badge covering the Wesena logo.

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5

Can be found for under a hundred bucks via a few sources.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: AmmoJammo on June 21, 2012, 03:34:18 AM
Quote from: Duce;697292
Case looks to be a Wesena E5 case, with the Commodore badge covering the Wesena logo.

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5

Can be found for under a hundred bucks via a few sources.

better without the "amiga" logo randomly placed in the middle of the case :p

100 bucks isn't bad ;)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: EDanaII on June 21, 2012, 03:48:01 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;697285
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/15452-commodore-amiga-1000x-minus-the-keyboard-garage-and-custom-keyboard

Seems like an okay design for a case, but its a horrible name for a computer considering we already have amigaone x1000.


I guess they are behind in spamming this forum with their stuff...

At least they have progressed beyond vinyl stickers I suppose, but still, an amiga this is not.


Hmmm... what's that written on it? I can barely make the letters out... S... U... E... space... M... E... yep. That's it. It has Sue Me written all over it. ;)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 21, 2012, 04:21:06 AM
Besides the obvious attempt to mislead and confuse people....

They still have yet to explain their legal right to use either the commodore name or the amiga name. Isn't that stuff still in legal hell?

I would think that if the rights to use either name are still being argued over in court then they can't just keep using them until the court cases are settled...
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Lurch on June 21, 2012, 04:24:21 AM
Stop it, enough is enough. Go murder some other brand.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: motrucker on June 21, 2012, 05:26:01 AM
I thought these morons had given up. I guess not. Some one please dump this thread in the Who Gives a F*ck drawer....
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: runequester on June 21, 2012, 05:32:45 AM
Wait, so this is yet another existing case rebranded?

Seriously, aren't there companies where you can have custom case jobs made for you?

Considering how they are aiming at selling tons of the damn things, according to the cheerleaders, surely getting 10.000 cases made would net you a decent discount, right?
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 21, 2012, 06:57:01 AM
They are more likely making computers in quantities of 10's not hundreds or thousands. Kinda like the corner store pc shops?

The difference is they have delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Duce on June 21, 2012, 10:15:29 AM
If I was A-EON, I'd be up C-USA's arse with a flashlight over the name similarity.

Then again, I said the same thing about Apple when C-USA brought out the dead to rights clone of the Mac Mini called the "Amiga Mini".

You'd think they could at least use more inventive names that don't just parrot other makers products.  Hell, even "Amiga 1000 Pro" would have been better than just essentially ripping and flipping the "X" from X1000, lol.

Then again, a company with such inventive names as "Slim" and "Mini", I could be expecting too much.  If I ran the show I'd at least have the foresight to pick a name and buzz it through an online thesaurus and find something catchy to use and differentiate myself.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: psxphill on June 21, 2012, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: Duce;697330
You'd think they could at least use more inventive names that don't just parrot other makers products. Hell, even "Amiga 1000 Pro" would have been better than just essentially ripping and flipping the "X" from X1000, lol.

They didn't rip off the X1000 name. It follows the same naming standard as the C64X.
 
I don't like the aluminium look & they'd have been better off making a 500X.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: AmmoJammo on June 21, 2012, 11:20:11 AM
Be better off making nothing.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: cgutjahr on June 21, 2012, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;697285
I guess they are behind in spamming this forum with their stuff...

So you felt like taking over for them? Thanks a lot.

For your information: There's a forum for "Discussions of all things dealing with CommodoreUSA's Amigas" and it's not all that hard to find, because it's called "CommodoreUSA Amiga". How about using that forum next time?

I know, posting there is boring - because threads in that forum don't show up on the front page. What was it you said about spamming?
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: AmmoJammo on June 21, 2012, 01:09:21 PM
I have no problem with this being posted where it is :)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Duce on June 21, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: AmmoJammo;697346
I have no problem with this being posted where it is :)


Either do I, civil conversation thus far.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: CritAnime on June 21, 2012, 01:41:10 PM
I did a post in the cusa forum about the different "models" they have produced. It would seem that have a contarct with the guys who make the mini case to do the 1000x cases.

(http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=696518&postcount=30)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: EDanaII on June 21, 2012, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: Duce;697330
If I was A-EON, I'd be up C-USA's arse with a flashlight over the name similarity.

Then again, I said the same thing about Apple when C-USA brought out the dead to rights clone of the Mac Mini called the "Amiga Mini".


Sometimes law suites take time... just 'cause they haven't sprung one yet doesn't mean they won't later. :)


Quote from: psxphill;697332
They didn't rip off the X1000 name. It follows the same naming standard as the C64X.


Might be, but it's still too similar to a competing brand.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Megamig on June 21, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Two points...
 
#1 Can someone please find out which generic case they are ruining this time
 
#2 This new Commodore USA (I refuse to call it a Amiga) would suit Windows 8 as the new interface is toy like a lot like Commodore USA business practices!
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: number6 on June 21, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: Duce;697330
If I was A-EON, I'd be up C-USA's arse with a flashlight over the name similarity.



As I mentioned before, that is not the process.

All disputes go through Bill McEwen at Amiga Inc. due to the nature of the settlement agreement. Trevor won't be writing to CUSA about such a thing.

#6
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Duce on June 21, 2012, 02:58:03 PM
Megamig

The case for the C-USA Amiga 1000x seems to be a Wesena E5 case, just a commodity HTPC Mini/Micro ATX PC case with C-USA's customizations (Commodore badge/Amiga etching).

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5

Can be sourced for under $100 from various sources, and from what I've read they don't get terribly good reviews, though I've not used one hands on.  I'd avoid one like grim death simply because it's hard to find an adequate PSU for that form factor (Flex ATX), unless you wanted to go with an external brick.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: jorkany on June 21, 2012, 03:02:49 PM
Quote from: psxphill;697332
They didn't rip off the X1000 name. It follows the same naming standard as the C64X.
 
I don't like the aluminium look & they'd have been better off making a 500X.


I agree, that just looks like too much metal. Apple is somehow able to pull this off gracefully, not so much other manufacturers.

I think it would have been better to faithfully reproduce the A1000 case and keyboard. Then they could have offered just the case/keyboard combo. That way retro enthusiasts would have something to tinker with, and anyone who wanted a genuine CUSA full blown computer could buy an entire system.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 21, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
I often wonder what the behind the scene conversations are like when they see that people have found their parts sources or they get busted trying to pawn off other people's computers with their stickers on them as their own....

Barry : Leo, they found out about our stickers stuck on the cybernet zpcs! Dammit Leo, now no one will buy them!

Leo : Its okay, lets just cancel that model and delete it from our website.

Barry : Yeah that sounds like a plan and lets never mention this again.


A few months later....

Barry : LEO! They found out our vic slim is just another existing all in one keyboard imported from asia with our stickers attached!

Leo : Lets just ignore that and keep pretending we made it.

Barry : That sounds like a plan, then lets announce MORE new models!

Leo : YES!


A few months later....

Barry : Dammit Leo, now they found out where our 1000x cases came from.

Leo : Its okay, now we stopped using stickers!

Barry : Oh yeah! Never mind, these idiots will buy anything!

:)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: persia on June 21, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
C-USA is currently nothing more than a large computer shop, so long as they remain that small Apple can't be bothered.  But should they actually become successful Apple will sue the pants off them.  Apple spend more on monthly lawyer retention fees than C=USA has spent total so far on everything.  

http://www.apple.com/legal/contact/ (http://www.apple.com/legal/contact/)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: number6 on June 21, 2012, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;697382


Barry : LEO! They found out our vic slim is just another existing all in one keyboard imported from asia with our stickers attached!



afaik, that's the first model they've rebranded from Commodore to Amiga. No idea if that's the plan for the others, but the current references by Barry are to "Amiga Mini" and "Amiga MIO", without the "C" word.

Way off-topic...the long gone Amiga.com shop page is back up. Maybe it's just me, but I would think it would make more sense to have something to list before putting up such a page...

#6
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Bif on June 21, 2012, 07:55:08 PM
I don't really care what Commodore USA does. I also think the C64X was a decent idea, and I might even buy a 1000X case if it looked just like a real A1000. What boggles my mind is reading the comments in that thread in that forum. People actually exist that anxiously await news of this generic case that has nothing to do with an Amiga?! Eek.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 21, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_VicSlim.aspx

Still shows as commodore branded on their website. I suppose if the legal nightmare continues, they don't even actually have the right to use the commodore logo, or call their company commodore anything....

I would think thats a big deal and deserves some clarification or comment from them, but I guess they'd rather people didn't know.

As for amiga.com Silly Billy just sold a few tablets with amiga stickers so he could still claim they have amiga branded products. This way, they can continue to claim ownership and trademark rights to the name and licence the name to anyone with a couple of bucks.

I hope eventually all the grave robbers run of out money or schemes so anyone can make amiga branded products or use the logo.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 21, 2012, 08:52:05 PM
Hi,

I actually like the look of the case, it is excellent.

Why don't we all just change the name of this site to mini MAC, since you are all impressed by an old discarded thing like a G4 mini Mac. I don't hear one of you complaining that oh we are using an old obsolete MAC to pretend that it is an Amiga.
At least the new case by CUSA has Amiga on it and not MAC.

By the way in MaximumPC (a famous PC mag for those that don't know) Gordon Mah Ung the deputy editor tells you how to soup up one of C64X's made by CUSA, yes all you old obsolete Mac fanatics, he is speeding up a C64X by buying NEW MODERN DAY PARTS TO PUT IN THE C64X. Can you guys come up with something to speed up that old obsolete mini mac, you know the one even Apple ditched. Just think if they took a great OS like MorphOS and made it run on PC boards, you to could have an ultra fast system instead of a slow, no go (especially for video) modern day OS. But Amiga people instead of taking the Bull by the horns, always go for the bulls hind legs, and you know what you get when you do that don't you know Bull manure (BS) .

I love it.

smerf
even CUSA's C64X runs video smoothly. But Gordon Mah Ung,s really makes it run smooth. I wonder if the C64 emulator will outdo that old obsolete G4 mini mac.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: commodorejohn on June 21, 2012, 09:04:08 PM
Quote from: smerf;697419
Why don't we all just change the name of this site to mini MAC, since you are all impressed by an old discarded thing like a G4 mini Mac. I don't hear one of you complaining that oh we are using an old obsolete MAC to pretend that it is an Amiga.
That's because Apple hasn't spammed Amiga forums declaring themselves to be the True Unquestionable Future of the Amiga (tm)(r) and insulting anyone who dares disagree. PowerPC Macs are just as much of a cast-off orphan platform as the Amiga itself, at this point.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 21, 2012, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;697421
That's because Apple hasn't spammed Amiga forums declaring themselves to be the True Unquestionable Future of the Amiga (tm)(r) and insulting anyone who dares disagree. PowerPC Macs are just as much of a cast-off orphan platform as the Amiga itself, at this point.


Hi,

Why would Apple want to spam the Amiga forums, they don't think in terms of hundreds of people, they think in terms of thousands or millions, the 1200 people they have at Amiga.org is probably their daily returns, (old mini macs).

smerf
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: commodorejohn on June 21, 2012, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: smerf;697424
Why would Apple want to spam the Amiga forums, they don't think in terms of hundreds of people, they think in terms of thousands or millions, the 1200 people they have at Amiga.org is probably their daily returns, (old mini macs).
Well, that's basically the point, isn't it? Apple couldn't care less about MorphOS users ('smatter of fact, they'd probably be less upset about them than they would be about the people who are still using MacOS on PPC Macs, as there's no way MorphOS users could be construed as lost sales for x86 Macs the way PPC OS9/OSX users could if you look at it cockeyed enough.) So they continue on not giving a tinker's damn, and MOS users keep doing their thing, and nobody is the slightest bit upset about it, save for you.

CUSA, on the other hand, doesn't have any market but retrocomputing enthusiasts (oh wait, I forgot, there's those tens of thousands of Wal-Mart sales that are probably coming Real Soon Now,) so they spent years spamming Amiga forums to try to convince people that they are the True Future of the Amiga (and for "try to convince," read "declare insistently and verbally abuse dissenters and holdouts.") And naturally, people were a little upset about that.

And that, to answer your question, is why nobody complains about Apple the way they do about CUSA: Apple hasn't given us (personally) anything to complain about, because they don't care or probably even know.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 21, 2012, 09:55:14 PM
Hi,
Guess that leaves me out, only one thing I hate worse than Apple is Wally World, I refuse to shop there until they start treating their people right, increase their workers pay so they don't have to work two jobs just to exist. It's funny that Wal Mart who has 8 people in the top 25 richest people in the world pays the lowest. So if we go by my rules, CUSA should go bankrupt in 3 days trying to sell at Wal Mart.

smerf
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 21, 2012, 10:32:52 PM
Quote from: Bif;697403
I don't really care what Commodore USA does. I also think the C64X was a decent idea, and I might even buy a 1000X case if it looked just like a real A1000. What boggles my mind is reading the comments in that thread in that forum. People actually exist that anxiously await news of this generic case that has nothing to do with an Amiga?! Eek.


Hi,

Well now, I would buy an empty case if the price was right, but, if it is tooo high I would leave it alone, I like the look of the case, but the insides, cheapest of the cheap junk, I would use what MaximumPC used to fill their modern day looking case, load up Amiga Forever on Windows 8 and be as happy as a smerf stuck in a mushroom.

smerf
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Frags on June 21, 2012, 10:51:27 PM
I agree.  If they had just set out to reproduce classic computer cases for modern mobos from the outset instead of faking a non-existent product they`d be a lot more popular.  Who wouldn`t want a mini-itx a1200 case?
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Kesa on June 22, 2012, 03:42:35 AM
@Smerf. I just realised i can't remember the last time you said anything positive. Is there anything you like?  :confused:

Amiga forever doesn't count because the only time you mention it is to belittle something else you hate   :flak:
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 22, 2012, 04:52:05 AM
MorphOS is in so many ways just like amiga os.

COS is in so many ways NOT like amiga OS, and required about 2 nights to develop verses years and years of hard work MorphOS took, regardless of what hardware it runs on.

Hard not to respect guys who busted their ass writing code for years and years more than someone who stuck an amiga sticker on a bog standard pc and did a commodore theme on mint linux.

Pardon us idiots for seeing the difference.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Darrin on June 22, 2012, 05:25:08 AM
Quote from: Duce;697292
Case looks to be a Wesena E5 case, with the Commodore badge covering the Wesena logo.

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/3/e5

Can be found for under a hundred bucks via a few sources.


Nice find.  :)

I guess the "keyboard garage" they mention is 4 stick-on feet to raise the thing high enough to slide the keyboard under.

Scan their "partners" list for a local company that provides the "Amiga" etching.  Using a simple stencil, it shouldn't take long.

I do like the aluminium case look though.  It would be a nice addition to a Home Theatre setup, but I'd like a bigger one that could take more expansion cards, drives, etc.

Note the un-sold C64x units in the background... or petrhaps they've been returned for repairs.  Still no signs of any actual "workers".
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Darrin on June 22, 2012, 05:32:38 AM
Quote from: Bif;697403
I don't really care what Commodore USA does. I also think the C64X was a decent idea, and I might even buy a 1000X case if it looked just like a real A1000. What boggles my mind is reading the comments in that thread in that forum. People actually exist that anxiously await news of this generic case that has nothing to do with an Amiga?! Eek.


I like this comment from the CTO:

Quote
We will have no problems with mass producing these cases.
Mostly everything will get done at the factory.
 It's just the initial batch that haven't.


Obviously has a little trouble understanding the difference between "rebadging" and "producing".  He's right though, everything apart from the Commodore sticker and the Amiga etching is being done at someone else's factory.  :)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Darrin on June 22, 2012, 05:49:50 AM
Quote from: jorkany;697362
I think it would have been better to faithfully reproduce the A1000 case and keyboard. Then they could have offered just the case/keyboard combo. That way retro enthusiasts would have something to tinker with, and anyone who wanted a genuine CUSA full blown computer could buy an entire system.


I think that now the truth is out and we know they're simply a "corner shop with a web-page" that there is obviously no money left to design and manufacture yet another case and keyboard from scratch.

There's no way of knowing how many C64x cases were manufactured and sold, but from the picture of the 1000x there's at least 3 left.  I'll guess that sales fell way below expectations and no additional production runs were made.  So, from a financial point of view it makes perfect sense to look for an off-the-shelf design and in this day an age there is probably just about every sort of desktop shape, size and colour available on the market.  What really matters is what they put inside the machine and past experience unfortunately suggests that it will be under-powered and over-priced.  If they do decide to do a kick-ass configuration then the price will probably make your eyes water.

The target market still seems to be the Linux user with more money than sense, an inability to build his own system and who used to be an ex-Amiga user.

That seems to be a hell of a limited market and I'm willing to bet that any Linux user who likes this case is more likely to buy a Wesena case, install his own motherboard and do his own engraving.

I'm guessing that the "franchise" option is their only hope for revenue and for that they need to convince people they have some products and designs to sell (even if they can't actually sell them).

and here's the Commodore Amiga 2000x:
http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/8/0/e6/459379660812a7fc501f12f8093bb520
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 22, 2012, 06:01:54 AM
Wish them the best of luck, even though I'm a critic of their methods.

Keeping amiga alive is tough.

Amiga however, is not linux, but maybe it should have been 10+ years ago.

Divided camps, no fucus. Its just an ideal now.

And nothing can live up to the past I think, when it really mattered.

(Sigh)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: commodorejohn on June 22, 2012, 06:08:46 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;697480
Amiga however, is not linux, but maybe it should have been 10+ years ago.

Divided camps, no fucus. Its just an ideal now.
Wait, I'm confused - you're upset about pointless camp divisions, so you want it to move to Linux?
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: runequester on June 22, 2012, 07:19:13 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;697482
Wait, I'm confused - you're upset about pointless camp divisions, so you want it to move to Linux?


I think he meant 10 years ago.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: commodorejohn on June 22, 2012, 07:27:53 AM
Quote from: runequester;697483
I think he meant 10 years ago.
I wasn't paying quite so much attention in 2002, but I don't recall the Linux community being less fractious then...
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: runequester on June 22, 2012, 07:36:32 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;697487
I wasn't paying quite so much attention in 2002, but I don't recall the Linux community being less fractious then...


Linux itself? As in the kernel ? That's never been particularly fractious.

The various GUI stuff sure, but that'd be irrelevant to some sort of theoretical amiga thing, right?

I know it's not popular around here, but linux kernel plus a thoroughly amiga like UI would have been a decent way to go, at some point in the past.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Megamig on June 22, 2012, 08:59:43 AM
I wish someone would do a Chris Crocker (Leave Britney alone) in relation to  Commodore USA!

People should not be so harsh on Commodore USA. They are innovative in model numbers, marketing, vaporware, converting generic PC cases, excess pricing and bulls#it in general.

If you wanna support the Amiga you are betting in investing your money on a AmigaOne or OS 4x compatible machine or upgrade your Classic Amiga with such goodies available from Amiga suppliers.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: haywirepc on June 22, 2012, 09:06:10 PM
"I know it's not popular around here, but linux kernel plus a thoroughly amiga like UI would have been a decent way to go, at some point in the past."


Thats what I meant, I meant the different amiga camps are seperated and fractured. AOS4, MORPHOS, AROS, all wasting resources doing the same thing 3 times. In regards to CUSA and linux, its not a bad idea just 10 or more years too late...

If 10 or more years ago amiga fans did the linux kernel plus a thoroughly amiga like ui and agreed on some standards for application programming, I think the ng amiga scene would be much better off now...

Doing that now would just create another camp, though I still think its a great idea, but not with a linux gui. I am watching broadway x developments with great interest...

Steven
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 22, 2012, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: Kesa;697465
@Smerf. I just realised i can't remember the last time you said anything positive. Is there anything you like?  :confused:

Amiga forever doesn't count because the only time you mention it is to belittle something else you hate   :flak:


Hi,

Sure I like you Kesa,

smerf
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 22, 2012, 10:23:08 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;697474
MorphOS is in so many ways just like amiga os.

COS is in so many ways NOT like amiga OS, and required about 2 nights to develop verses years and years of hard work MorphOS took, regardless of what hardware it runs on.

Hard not to respect guys who busted their ass writing code for years and years more than someone who stuck an amiga sticker on a bog standard pc and did a commodore theme on mint linux.

Pardon us idiots for seeing the difference.


Hi,

I agree totally, I know I couldn't do it,  errrr that slowly of course, I would have done it way faster, but still even though I am kinda great, we should all stand up a give at least one clapp (and not the clapp) for all the guys who have (rather slowly) programmed morphOS and Aros.

Did I say that sorta kinda right.

smerf
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 22, 2012, 10:32:22 PM
@Megamig,

[If you wanna support the Amiga you are betting in investing your money on a AmigaOne or OS 4x compatible machine or upgrade your Classic Amiga with such goodies available from Amiga suppliers. ]

That wouldn't go over to well, are we talking about all one hundred of them, ok there might be more.

By the way have OS 4.1 on my PPC 240 mhz Amiga, if you call that progress, I would rather use Amiga DOS 1.0, it was much faster and worked way better.

smerf
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Darrin on June 22, 2012, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: smerf;697592
By the way have OS 4.1 on my PPC 240 mhz Amiga, if you call that progress, I would rather use Amiga DOS 1.0, it was much faster and worked way better.

smerf


If I was trying to run Windows 7 on a 486 then I'd probably rather use MS-DOS.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 23, 2012, 01:45:49 AM
Quote from: Darrin;697593
If I was trying to run Windows 7 on a 486 then I'd probably rather use MS-DOS.


Hi,

Good Point!!

but

Wasn't the original OS 4.0 made for the Blizzard PPC, I could be wrong, but if I remember back that far, OS 4.0 was made to be run on the Blizzard PPC, it is just that things got caught up on 4.0 in court, and by the time things got loose, the Blizzard PPC was no more.

but yes I think you are right.

smerf
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Darrin on June 23, 2012, 02:16:19 AM
Quote from: smerf;697613
Hi,

Good Point!!

but

Wasn't the original OS 4.0 made for the Blizzard PPC, I could be wrong, but if I remember back that far, OS 4.0 was made to be run on the Blizzard PPC, it is just that things got caught up on 4.0 in court, and by the time things got loose, the Blizzard PPC was no more.

but yes I think you are right.

smerf


Yep, the problem is that we've waited for so long for a PPC OS that the original classic cards just aren't up to the task.  It reminds me of my Efica board which is really not up to the task of running MorphOS (so I welcome the new discount given on purchasing a MOS key for it because it reflects how well the OS will run on low-spec hardware).
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: rewlako on June 23, 2012, 07:14:51 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;697285
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/15452-commodore-amiga-1000x-minus-the-keyboard-garage-and-custom-keyboard

Seems like an okay design for a case, but its a horrible name for a computer considering we already have amigaone x1000.


I guess they are behind in spamming this forum with their stuff...

At least they have progressed beyond vinyl stickers I suppose, but still, an amiga this is not.


Remove the sticker, and this would never have been mentioned on this site. Ignore them instead of giving them free ad space like this.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: psxphill on June 23, 2012, 10:30:55 AM
Quote from: AmmoJammo;697333
Be better off making nothing.

Unless you have something useful to add then don't bother posting.
 
While I haven't bought any of CUSA's products and think their behaviour has been pretty poor, I don't see the point in making snarky comments about them.
 
Nobody cares how much any of you hate CUSA. Get over it. You'll feel better and people can have conversations without threads being hijacked. I know that is the point, but you don't get to control what people talk about.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: AmmoJammo on June 23, 2012, 10:34:01 AM
Quote from: psxphill;697645
Unless you have something useful to add then don't bother posting.
 
While I haven't bought any of CUSA's products and think their behaviour has been pretty poor, I don't see the point in making snarky comments about them.
 
Nobody cares how much any of you hate CUSA. Get over it. You'll feel better and people can have conversations without threads being hijacked. I know that is the point, but you don't get to control what people talk about.

:cry:
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: Megamig on June 23, 2012, 01:27:51 PM
Commodore USA is a joke!
 
First they put rendered sketches of a 'future Amiga' then they just go out and buy generic PC cases and sticky tape or (these days) engrave a Amiga logo on.
 
So what will be next? Commodore OS will become Windows 8 with a Commodore welcome screen! The sooner Commodore USA go bust the better.
 
Nobody is interested in their crap apart from the Commodore 64x case (which is about the only good thing that has came out of C= USA)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: cgutjahr on June 23, 2012, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: runequester;697488
I know it's not popular around here, but linux kernel plus a thoroughly amiga like UI would have been a decent way to go, at some point in the past.

Define "thoroughly amiga like UI"? One of the Amiga's main problems was that it never had any uniform UI experience. You won't find any Amiga setup with less than three different GUI systems and five different ways of answering a simple yes/no requester using the keyboard (none of which none works on all yes/no requesters you're going to encounter).

You don't need to write your own OS based on a linux kernel if all you need is a global menu bar and a close button on the left side of the title bar.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: spirantho on June 23, 2012, 04:00:56 PM
Thing is AmigaOS is so much more than a GUI. You can't just stick a Workbench screen on a Linux installation and expect it to behave like AmigaOS.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: smerf on June 23, 2012, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: spirantho;697664
Thing is AmigaOS is so much more than a GUI. You can't just stick a Workbench screen on a Linux installation and expect it to behave like AmigaOS.


Hi,

Why not?

Cloanto's Amiga Forever did it on a Windows machine, and it behaves better than my Amiga 4000 and my A1200. It even plays CD 32 programs when I insert them in my DVD drive. I don't have to worry about degrading, pal or ntsc, cpu number etc.

Just click on the ADF and Amiga Forever does the rest, real nice.
If they can do it on Windows, I am sure they can do it on Linux. I said it 12 years ago and I will say it today, it is the best way to go, euae and Linux. The only ones who have problems with this are MAC users. Linux is way to complex for them. Who knows if they used it and got used to it, does MAC's may be out the door.

Lets see on my Ubuntu Linux 11.10 I play Amiga games with euae, play Farcry, FarCry2, Half life, Half Life II, Call of Duty, Call of Duty II, Crysis, Crysis II.

Lets see Mac users can play no life, gaycry, call of pooty, Crysis HIV,

smerf

getting older but still got it.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: commodorejohn on June 23, 2012, 04:45:32 PM
Quote from: spirantho;697664
Thing is AmigaOS is so much more than a GUI. You can't just stick a Workbench screen on a Linux installation and expect it to behave like AmigaOS.
This. That's what they've never understood and aren't interested in being enlightened on: the Amiga has so much more to it than just retro looks. Every other follow-up attempt gets that, from OS4 to AROS to Amithlon; CUSA don't really care at all, and are more interested in getting the most money from people's nostalgia in the shortest time possible.

(They just happen to be really, really inept at it.)
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: commodorejohn on June 23, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: smerf;697667
Lets see Mac users can play no life, gaycry, call of pooty, Crysis HIV,
Ooh, good one :/ Did you hire a third-grader to write that for you?
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: _ThEcRoW on June 23, 2012, 04:49:41 PM
Strange, as i have installed team  fortress2, portal, half life2 and starcraft2 on my mac. Can you have it installed on an Amiga?
Quote from: smerf;697667
Hi,

Why not?

Cloanto's Amiga Forever did it on a Windows machine, and it behaves better than my Amiga 4000 and my A1200. It even plays CD 32 programs when I insert them in my DVD drive. I don't have to worry about degrading, pal or ntsc, cpu number etc.

Just click on the ADF and Amiga Forever does the rest, real nice.
If they can do it on Windows, I am sure they can do it on Linux. I said it 12 years ago and I will say it today, it is the best way to go, euae and Linux. The only ones who have problems with this are MAC users. Linux is way to complex for them. Who knows if they used it and got used to it, does MAC's may be out the door.

Lets see on my Ubuntu Linux 11.10 I play Amiga games with euae, play Farcry, FarCry2, Half life, Half Life II, Call of Duty, Call of Duty II, Crysis, Crysis II.

Lets see Mac users can play no life, gaycry, call of pooty, Crysis HIV,

smerf

getting older but still got it.
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: A1260 on June 23, 2012, 05:20:11 PM
That was the most butt ugly computer case i have ever seen, miss placed logos and everything.... Commodore USA is a joke!
Title: Re: WTF - Amiga 1000x - hmmm.. Not not x1000, 1000x!
Post by: rewlako on June 23, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
Quote from: _ThEcRoW;697672
Strange, as i have installed team  fortress2, portal, half life2 and starcraft2 on my mac. Can you have it installed on an Amiga?


Smerf doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He has proven this again and again (I've been watching him). Full of hate based on misinformation and outdated info.

I thought this kind of childish, immature behavior died out in the 90's, but it seems that the saying' right: those who do not know the past are condemned to repeat it.