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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: WeiXing3D on June 19, 2012, 11:53:52 PM
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I just received a DENEB card with two USB ports and I will be tryingt to install it in my A3000 desktop this weekend. The instructions are very poor or written for computer hardware gurus, not a rookie like me.
Is there any place where I can find a guide with easier and friendlier step by step installation guide? A video in You Tube would also be awesome.
I was told I will need a jumper, but I don't even know, what type, where to buy, and where to use it.
I'm doing this as a hobby and I want to learn, but I don't want to fry my beloved Amiga in the process.
I forgot to ask: What is a Poseidon USB stack (is it software), where can I find it?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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All the software that you need is already on the deneb card, you just have to change a jumper on the card and there will popup a new icon on your desctop just open that up and all you need is inside.
Just remember to remove the jumper when you have taken all the files out.
(do NOT change the jumpers when the amiga is ON)
I have marked this photo so you can see where to put the jumper, the top marking is just to show what you are marking for :)
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg705/scaled.php?server=705&filename=deneba.jpg&res=landing)
And this is how you place it inside of your amiga
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg59/scaled.php?server=59&filename=a3k4.jpg&res=landing)
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deneb has actually three ports, two internal to connect with a cable extension to a free rear expansion slot. and one external mounted directly on the pcb. you have to be very careful to connect the cables right way around, otherwise you might fry your deneb. also be careful with the external port, while you cant misconnect the cable it is quite fragile, you should place much pressure on it.
you can download current version of poseidon (4.4) right here:
http://www.platon42.de/index2.html
the instalation is well documented and automated. read the guide.
while at it you can download the last firmware for your deneb:
http://www.e3b.de/usb/firm/DENEB_V11.lzh
check what version you have before the upgrade.
what concerns the jumper. i dont know what you mean. jumper is jumper, usually they are found laying around.
i can get you more extensive help when im back with my hardware.
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for the external port i recommend a 3,5 inch 4x hub like this:
http://www.amazon.de/Digitus-DA-70133-2-Zoll-intern-Port/dp/B000Y8BDKE
its very useful to have usb ports on front and might even shield the card against accidental damage.
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All the software that you need is already on the deneb card, you just have to change a jumper on the card and there will popup a new icon on your desctop just open that up and all you need is inside.
Just remember to remove the jumper when you have taken all the files out.
(do NOT change the jumpers when the amiga is ON)
I have marked this photo so you can see where to put the jumper, the top marking is just to show what you are marking for :)
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg705/scaled.php?server=705&filename=deneba.jpg&res=landing)
And this is how you place it inside of your amiga
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg59/scaled.php?server=59&filename=a3k4.jpg&res=landing)
Kawazu, I know this is going to sound stupid, but I don't even know what jumpers are and where can I find or buy them, because I didn't get any with the card. Is there anyway you can PM a link to see your pictures a liitle bit bigger?
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http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=680
jumper :)
lost
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A jumper is a smal plastik squar that have some small metal pices inside.
The jumpers job is to connect two points together, like the points i marked. You have a top row of pins and a bottomrow, you just place the jumper on top of the pins so it connects the top with the bottom.
Somthing like this.
(http://www.computerhope.com/help/jumper.gif)
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A jumper is a smal plastik squar that have some small metal pices inside.
The jumpers job is to connect two points together, like the points i marked. You have a top row of pins and a bottomrow, you just place the jumper on top of the pins so it connects the top with the bottom.
Somthing like this.
(http://www.computerhope.com/help/jumper.gif)
Could you please post a bigger picture showing where and how to place the jumper(s)? Sorry to trouble you. And many thanks to you and all others for the support.
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The other picture i posted that i marked in the lower corner.
Now compare that old picture to this.
(http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photos/deneb.jpg)
At the point i marked they have placed a jumper on top of those two pins, its not hard, you have two holes and two pins that goes into them you cant do it wrong as long as you place them on the two pints i have marked.
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More pics on jumpers so you get a hang of it :)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tyS7V8ZA3jc/Tfw_rn60_2I/AAAAAAAAAYA/G8E7tEmoM5k/s1600/computer-jumper.jpg)
(http://www.infohq.com/Computer/CompGraphics/MaxtorPics/CopyofJumperCloseup.jpg)
(http://images.yourdictionary.com/images/computer/JUMPER.GIF)
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More pics on jumpers so you get a hang of it :)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tyS7V8ZA3jc/Tfw_rn60_2I/AAAAAAAAAYA/G8E7tEmoM5k/s1600/computer-jumper.jpg)
(http://www.infohq.com/Computer/CompGraphics/MaxtorPics/CopyofJumperCloseup.jpg)
(http://images.yourdictionary.com/images/computer/JUMPER.GIF)
This is very cool. I have clear now what a jumper is, looks like and what is for? But I can't figure out where to put it yet? Is only one or two?
What do you mean above by jump first and then remove the jumper after installing?
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This is very cool. I have clear now what a jumper is, looks like and what is for? But I can't figure out where to put it yet? Is only one or two?
What do you mean above by jump first and then remove the jumper after installing?
Think of the two pins as a switch. If no jumper is connected, the switch is OFF, but if a jumper is connected, the switch is ON.
So what he means is that you first turn a function ON, and then turn it OFF by removing the jumper.
BTW. I don't think it is a stupid question, there was a time when I was wondering about the same myself. :)
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Think of the two pins as a switch. If no jumper is connected, the switch is OFF, but if a jumper is connected, the switch is ON.
So what he means is that you first turn a function ON, and then turn it OFF by removing the jumper.
BTW. I don't think it is a stupid question, there was a time when I was wondering about the same myself. :)
Can you show me or point to me where to put the jumper? Thanks
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Well, I really don't have Deneb myself, but I think you will find what you are looking for here: http://www.e3b.de/usb/soft/dnb_manual.pdf
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Can you show me or point to me where to put the jumper? Thanks
On the first picture i posted i marked the first two pins that needs connection in for the first run so you can get the software out of the card.
On the second picture of the deneb card you can see that they have placed a jumper on the exact same spot that i marked with a red sqauar so there is where you want to place it.
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The other picture i posted that i marked in the lower corner.
Now compare that old picture to this.
(http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photos/deneb.jpg)
At the point i marked they have placed a jumper on top of those two pins, its not hard, you have two holes and two pins that goes into them you cant do it wrong as long as you place them on the two pints i have marked.
Kawazu, I will be receiving the jumpers I ordered from amigakit next week. I only have one more question: Should I leave the case of the Amiga open exposing the Deneb board, while I connect and turn on the system, so that I can download the software and applications? Then remove the jumper when finished and close the case?
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Kawazu, I will be receiving the jumpers I ordered from amigakit next week. I only have one more question: Should I leave the case of the Amiga open exposing the Deneb board, while I connect and turn on the system, so that I can download the software and applications? Then remove the jumper when finished and close the case?
If you have an old hard drive or an old CD/DVD ROM drive lying around then you might have a jumper on the back of them you can use (They're the same jumpers you use on IDE drives to make them master or slave, or use on some SCSI drives to set the ID number).
From experience, leave the case off until you have your Deneb software installed and the jumper removed.
One word of warning, make sure you have the latest copy of INSTALLER handy. When I tried to install the Deneb software onto OS3.1 it failed and I had to upgrade to the latest version of INSTALLER (downloadable from Aminet). I think OS3.9 works OK.
Once you have your USB stack working and it recognises a USB memory stick then go to the Deneb website, follow the links and download the latest software using a PC to the memory stick and then update the software on your Amiga.
Once you have your Deneb card working you'll never be able to use an Amiga without it. :)
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@ Kawazu
Belive it or not, it wasn't until today, and after 2 weeks after placing my order with Amigakit, that I received my jumpers. So I have a coupe of questions before installing my Deneb card this weekend:
1. What is the correct way to connect the two USB adapter cables (the ones attached to the plate) to the pcb? Do the metal contacts in the black plastic connectors face up or down? How can I tell what is the right position? Someone else in this forum told me that I have to be extremely careful when connecting those 2 cables, or I can fry the pcb.
2. About the jumpers. It seems in your picture that the pins that I will jump are the first two ones from right to left facing toward the daugther board, right? And is the jumper placed perpendicular to the axis of the jumper board, on top of the first two pins?
If you could please send either a small hand made drawing or a close-up picture. In any casde any help you can give me will be fully appreciated.
All the software that you need is already on the deneb card, you just have to change a jumper on the card and there will popup a new icon on your desctop just open that up and all you need is inside.
Just remember to remove the jumper when you have taken all the files out.
(do NOT change the jumpers when the amiga is ON)
I have marked this photo so you can see where to put the jumper, the top marking is just to show what you are marking for :)
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg705/scaled.php?server=705&filename=deneba.jpg&res=landing)
And this is how you place it inside of your amiga
(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg59/scaled.php?server=59&filename=a3k4.jpg&res=landing)
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@ Kawazu
Belive it or not, it wasn't until today, and after 2 weeks after placing my order with Amigakit, that I received my jumpers. So I have a coupe of questions before installing my Deneb card this weekend:
1. What is the correct way to connect the two USB adapter cables (the ones attached to the plate) to the pcb? Do the metal contacts in the black plastic connectors face up or down? How can I tell what is the right position? Someone else in this forum told me that I have to be extremely careful when connecting those 2 cables, or I can fry the pcb.
2. About the jumpers. It seems in your picture that the pins that I will jump are the first two ones from right to left facing toward the daugther board, right? And is the jumper placed perpendicular to the axis of the jumper board, on top of the first two pins?
If you could please send either a small hand made drawing or a close-up picture. In any casde any help you can give me will be fully appreciated.
Regarding point 1, as you can see in the second picture posted above, the black wires should face away from the edge connector (the part that plugs into the Zorro slot).
There are 10 header pins all in a row. Set the card so that those pins are facing you. Connect the first USB cable so that the black wire covers the rightmost pin. The remaining wires in the cable will cover the next 4 pins. Now do the same for the second cable, this time for the rightmost pin that's still exposed.
Hopefully another user can post a more detailed photo.
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Exactly, the jumper is placed to the far right when you have placed the card in the zorro slot on top of the pins, the pins will be inserted into the jumper.
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Can these updates be uploaded after I finish installation, removed jumper and closed unit's case?
deneb has actually three ports, two internal to connect with a cable extension to a free rear expansion slot. and one external mounted directly on the pcb. you have to be very careful to connect the cables right way around, otherwise you might fry your deneb. also be careful with the external port, while you cant misconnect the cable it is quite fragile, you should place much pressure on it.
you can download current version of poseidon (4.4) right here:
http://www.platon42.de/index2.html
the instalation is well documented and automated. read the guide.
while at it you can download the last firmware for your deneb:
http://www.e3b.de/usb/firm/DENEB_V11.lzh
check what version you have before the upgrade.
what concerns the jumper. i dont know what you mean. jumper is jumper, usually they are found laying around.
i can get you more extensive help when im back with my hardware.
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Today I finally connected my DENEB card and jumped it as per above installation instructions. I got a couple of green lights coming up steady in the board, but nothing is popping up on my WB to allow me to finish installation (download software).
Am I missing something? How can I download the required software from the board?
(http://[IMG]http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u371/WeiXing3D/InstalledDENEBcard_Pic2.jpg)[/IMG]
(http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u371/WeiXing3D/InstalledDENEBcard_Pic1.jpg)
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Check that the icon isn't off the visible screen area.
In my case, I first installed the software off a clean WB3.1 install and the actuall Deneb disk icon was off the screen below the visible area. I had to scroll down to find it (or alternatively refresh your icons into columns).
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Check that the icon isn't off the visible screen area.
In my case, I first installed the software off a clean WB3.1 install and the actuall Deneb disk icon was off the screen below the visible area. I had to scroll down to find it (or alternatively refresh your icons into columns).
You were so right. I didn't notice it the first time, so I scrolled down and ther it was. Thanks for the advice.
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You were so right. I didn't notice it the first time, so I scrolled down and ther it was. Thanks for the advice.
Glad I could help. I was banging my head on the desk when it happened to me. :)
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I also suggest that you look after this internal USB hub http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nzxt_iu01_internal_usb_expansion/
I'm using this in my A2000 with my Deneb to power all my USB devices from the PSU instead of draining power through the zorro port and the Deneb lines. It protects the Deneb and gives enough juice for any power hungry devices such as external hard drive or CD. My front USB bay is connected on this.
(http://www.overclockersclub.com/siteimages/articles/nzxt_iu01_internal_usb_expansion/nzxtinternalusb_04_thumb.jpg)
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Thanks Xanxi. And where can I get one of those?
I also suggest that you look after this internal USB hub http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nzxt_iu01_internal_usb_expansion/
I'm using this in my A2000 with my Deneb to power all my USB devices from the PSU instead of draining power through the zorro port and the Deneb lines. It protects the Deneb and gives enough juice for any power hungry devices such as external hard drive or CD. My front USB bay is connected on this.
(http://www.overclockersclub.com/siteimages/articles/nzxt_iu01_internal_usb_expansion/nzxtinternalusb_04_thumb.jpg)
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Now, that I'm done with the h/w installation and struggling to make the USB ports to work. I downloaded everything during installation of the card, removed the jumper and closed the computer case, but I'm now sitting down not knowing what to do next to start using this expensive thing.
I was told I need to run Trident from the prefs drawer so I did that just to find an error message saying " Failed to open muimaster.library. This application requires MUI!
Can someone give me some guidance on how to get this DENEB USB controller working? BTW, I'm using Workbench 3.9. Thanks in advance for any help.
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This is what you need.
http://aminet.net/util/libs/mui38usr.lha
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This is what you need.
http://aminet.net/util/libs/mui38usr.lha
Thanks. I found that, but I can't make it fit in one floppy to port it to my A3000, because the file is too big.
Any suggestions?
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Un-lha the mui archive then delete all the demos and locales then re-lha it so the archive fits a floppy. You should be able to do this on a PC with the unZip utility, at least mine handles lha files easily
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Extract it on your PC and then copy the files to a couple of floppies, recombine them into a single folder on the Amiga and then do the setup from there.
I never realised the LHA file was so big because my A4000 has a high density drive.
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Un-lha the mui archive then delete all the demos and locales then re-lha it so the archive fits a floppy. You should be able to do this on a PC with the unZip utility, at least mine handles lha files easily
I'm using MOS running in a Mac Mini to download and manipulate downloads. How do I re-ha the rest of files to in fit in a floppy?
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All,
This is my technological dilemma:huh:
As I have explained, I have installed and extracted all files from a DENEB card in my A3000, configured with an internal (adapted and no modifications were necessary) CF Card Reader (from Mechware) and one floppy drive. I have a 2GB cf card mounted in a PCMCIA card adapter with Workbench 3.9 mounted on it, and serving as my booting HD.
Then I have an A1200, also equipped with a PCMCIA card reader, 66GB HDD (with 3 partitions) and finally, a MOS 3.0 equipped Mac Mini (I have a multiple firmat card reader working with my MOS computer).
My dilemma is how to combine or use these 3 technologies, to bring muimaster.library to my A3000. I tried to copy the downloaded (from my MOS computer) file in lha format from a CF card using the PCMCIA adapter with WB3.9 in my A3000, but I guess that I may need to finish some configuring here too, since when I swapped the card: First, I get a mssg saying that I need to replace WB39 back in the unit, and if I cancel that, and insert the cf card with my muimaster file, I get a mssg saying that my dh0: (I guess it refers to my PCMCIA mounted unit) is unassigned and it's ghostly.
So, you experts out there...what kind I do to break this vicious cycle which doesn't let me finish the installation of my DENEB and bring life to my A3000?
Does it make any sense?
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Does it make any sense?
I think so! :P
Do you have FAT installed on the A1200? The easiest solution would seem to be transferring the file from your MorphOS machine by FAT-formatted CF card to the A1200, then from the 1200 to the 3000 by floppy.
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I think so! :P
Do you have FAT installed on the A1200? The easiest solution would seem to be transferring the file from your MorphOS machine by FAT-formatted CF card to the A1200, then from the 1200 to the 3000 by floppy.
Could you please tell me where to find FAT, if it's installed in my A1200? I'd think that I might have it, since I have been using cf cards in my A1200 for almost a week now, after installing a few files and apps that I was recommended to have (i.e. FAT95 that came with cf card patch).
If not where can I download it from and how to use it? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Sounds like you're already using it. In which case, you should be able to share files between your MorphOS box/PC and your 1200 via the CF cards, then by floppy to your 3000. You might have to unarc the MUI archive on the 1200 and split it up over a few floppies.
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@ damion or anybody else who could help:
I'm getting closer, but NOT quite there yet. This is what I did:
1. I copied the mui88usr.lha file directly in the cf card that I'm using as my startup HDD in my A3000.
2. I extracted the .lha file just by double-cliciking and the Unarc app did the job. I unpacked everything in a partition that I have in my cf card called "Data,"
3. I found a drawer named "MUI" in my Data, that was made during the unpacking.
4. I opened the drawer and launched by double-clicking the Install-MUI and used the Intermediate level. BUT, I noticed that the installation says that it will create a drawer called "MUI," which I already have there
5. So I continued with the installation in spite of the warning and I got ...Sorry...an Error Has Ocurred!
COPYFILES: Couldn't copy file :"LiesMich" in line 563. I know this is German for ReadMe file
DOS Error Type: Unable to access a file or drawer--object in use.
Then the install windows closes and I don't think the installation was done.
What can I do?
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I'd look at line 563 and delete it if there's just that LiesMich copy stuff.
Perhaps you need another version of Installer, if yours is an old one - you could type in shell: which installer all and then version installer (with the path) to look what you have.
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I just pulled my 3000 out of storage and while doing the ritual chip reseats etc., i noticed my deneb appears to only be providing power to the built in port and the pins closest to that port... I.e., Tue outermost expansion port doesn't appear to have power. Could this be a PSU issue on the 3k or a denied- issue? I haven't been able to actually boot and try any devices yet and won't until later this evening so I figured is try here to get others input while I have downtime.
I've confirmed the poeer status using a USB netgear adapter that has a USB powrer indicator on it.
Thx all!