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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Lurch on June 18, 2012, 11:26:11 AM
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error 403 pages :-(
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yes am geting that here to!
hope its back up soon i love amibay!
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Yes, this message appears:
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
I wonder what's going on this time...
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Hopefully not hacked again :-( Last time it was a virus?
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No great loss really.
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are any Amibay moderators here that can confirm or advise what has happened?
getting the same error as users above;
"403 Forbidden You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
:(
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Been broken all arvo or me too.
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grrrrrr ...
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It's down while the server is upgraded and running a little late too!
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=824018#post824018
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I'm in middle of a deal...
I hope that all will be restored
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Good to hear its normal maintenance!
Though it got hit by another virus/trojan.
I'll sink a beer while I wait for it to come up, just in case... :pint:
(you can never go wrong with a pint!)
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Well, good to hear it's only maintenance - just wish more sites could be bothered to put up a notification page during downtime instead of letting people just assume it's in trouble...
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Well, good to hear it's only maintenance - just wish more sites could be bothered to put up a notification page during downtime instead of letting people just assume it's in trouble...
That's usually the norm, most good site admins would do this.
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Well, I'm not convinced this is totally planned maintenance..
My guess, since it's still down, is that the maintenance was supposed to be really quick and something went wrong..
Hopefully there are backups.. ;-)
I can't tell you how many "quick changes" end up taking much longer.
And people don't generally want to redirect to a "down" page because they are working on it and it will be up shortly!!!
(I've seen that shortly take a long time... )
desiv
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That's usually the norm, most good site admins would do this.
You must live on a better Internet than I do...
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I call BS to it being a planned outage as I was using it when I started getting database errors!
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I lol'd so hard when I first read this ... couldn't happen to a more deserving website :D
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I lol'd so hard when I first read this ... couldn't happen to a more deserving website :D
Spot the banned AmiBay members in this thread!
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Spot the banned AmiBay members in this thread!
you don't have to be banned to realise its not a very good forum.
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you don't have to be banned to realise its not a very good forum.
I like it for buying from the HW guru's tho but this is definitely a more friendly Miggy discussion forum tho. :afro:
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you don't have to be banned to realise its not a very good forum.
I beg to differ, it's quite a nice forum as long as you read and respect the rules.
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From here:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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Amibay is great, there's a few good eggs on there and it's the only way to deal with some hardware gurus :-)
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I beg to differ, it's quite a nice forum as long as you read and respect the rules.
Indeed... and great for n00bs and buying stuff... and the support is awesome.
Amibay is great
Ditto... it's equivalent to not having any water to drink atm... :(
you don't have to be banned to realise its not a very good forum.
wow, some people are bitter!!! :banana:
I lol'd so hard when I first read this ... couldn't happen to a more deserving website :D
Lol'd... really? - What on earth did you do to get BANNED?
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Lol'd... really? - What on earth did you do to get BANNED?
Probably the same reason as all the others, being cocky and thinking they are better then everyone else (I.E. Being a general troll). I think out of all the times people have been banned, only once was there one I didn't agree with. Can't be done with people like that. . . :)
As for the down time, it would have been nice to have been given some advance warning about this.
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Probably the same reason as all the others, being cocky and thinking they are better then everyone else (I.E. Being a general troll)
Just as I thought :)
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Probably the same reason as all the others, being cocky and thinking they are better then everyone else (I.E. Being a general troll). I think out of all the times people have been banned, only once was there one I didn't agree with. Can't be done with people like that. . . :)
It depends on the infraction. If it's general trolling the member is often given a warning but if anyone breaks the trading rules or thumbs their nose at an Amibay moderator... "Hasta la vista baby"! :uzi:
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Anyways, anyone hear anything about when it back up? :(
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Hopefully, someone over there is working on combining this Pulu dudes spam into one single thread. Whoever thinks listing dozens of games separately (giving each one their own thread), needs their ever loving head checked. ;)
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Anyways, anyone hear anything about when it back up? :(
Nothing specific yet..
From what I hear, the planned upgrade involved taking Apache from 1.3 to 2.x (among other things), and that broke things (I would expect it to)..
Last I heard, the Amibay admins have identified what they believe is the issue with Apache and notified the hosting company...
desiv
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Hopefully, someone over there is working on combining this Pulu dudes spam into one single thread. Whoever thinks listing dozens of games separately (giving each one their own thread), needs their ever loving head checked. ;)
I brought up that issue in the past and was shot down.
Basically many sellers are too lazy to maintain and update their sell threads and want to spam the **** out of the forum with tons of For Sale threads. So instead of maintaining one thread, they have to watch many. Fantastic. :insert rolleyes:
When ever I list stuff I try to group it into a single thread unless there is too much stuff (which hasn't been a problem for me) or its stuff that should be in another thread or another portion of the forum. Have 10 hardware items for sale? Great, break it up into 2 or 3 threads and maybe stagger them a day or so apart if you want to be considerate of your fellow Amibayers.
Nothing worse than posting up a For Sale thread and having some jackass come along and post up 25 different threads each with one item in them completely driving your thread off the first page.
Ohhh and yes, the admins should have let people know well in advance of the possible downtime in case they had deals in progress (cause, ya know, it is primarily a marketplace) so they could exchange email info or alt contact details in case of troubles. They might not of have known it was going to be down this long, but they must have had advance warning from their hosting company of maintenance and they should have gave a warning about it.
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Cheers for the info save2600 and desiv ;)
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Does anyone have contact details for mkl, was trying to contact him re and IDE adapter.
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I have worked with LAMP and WAMP systems in the past. If there is anything I can help with let me know. Thanks.
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It depends on the infraction. If it's general trolling the member is often given a warning but if anyone breaks the trading rules or thumbs their nose at an Amibay moderator... "Hasta la vista baby"! :uzi:
I once posted an old Apple II photo in their photo forum and said I’d gotten it for $200 at a thrift store. The post was removed because it contained a dollar amount in the body of the text.
Some threads above and below it also contained dollar amounts, but were not touched. Amibay’s moderators all appear to interpret their forum rules differently or randomly.
I appreciate the strict moderation, but the poorly trained moderators make that site too unpleasant to use.
By the way, if I posted this on Amibay, it would certainly get me banned.
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I once posted an old Apple II photo in their photo forum and said I’d gotten it for $200 at a thrift store. The post was removed because it contained a dollar amount in the body of the text.
That would get the price removed, that's for sure.
They are very cautious about "price driving" types of information.
Some threads above and below it also contained dollar amounts, but were not touched.
Those should have been also.
They are very complete at removing prices for items that might be sold on amibay.
I'm surprised they missed any.. It's really infrequent that they don't delete that info. ;-)
Amibay’s moderators all appear to interpret their forum rules differently or randomly.
I think some of that might be related to the fact that there are numerous moderators.
I've seen some forums where moderators have posted, and then another moderator will "edit" something that the first mod didn't get.
Missed? Different interpretations? Both...
I appreciate the strict moderation, but the poorly trained moderators make that site too unpleasant to use.
I'm sure they will dock them in what they pay them for those errors.. ;-)
None of these mods are being paid.
By the way, if I posted this on Amibay, it would certainly get me banned.
Not for a first infraction, but it would get edited/removed and you'd be warned...
;-)
desiv
(IMHO, I'm not a mod there...)
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I once posted an old Apple II photo in their photo forum and said I’d gotten it for $200 at a thrift store. The post was removed because it contained a dollar amount in the body of the text.
Some threads above and below it also contained dollar amounts, but were not touched. Amibay’s moderators all appear to interpret their forum rules differently or randomly.
By the way, if I posted this on Amibay, it would certainly get me banned.
When was this? I've been a member there since 2010, and as far as I've observed the rules are quite consistently applied, and moderation is generally as gentle as it can be, unless the member in question is an obvious troll or discovered to be a scammer.
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That would get the price removed, that's for sure.
They are very cautious about "price driving" types of information.
Those should have been also.
They are very complete at removing prices for items that might be sold on amibay.
I'm surprised they missed any.. It's really infrequent that they don't delete that info. ;-)
I think some of that might be related to the fact that there are numerous moderators.
I've seen some forums where moderators have posted, and then another moderator will "edit" something that the first mod didn't get.
Missed? Different interpretations? Both...
I'm sure they will dock them in what they pay them for those errors.. ;-)
None of these mods are being paid.
Not for a first infraction, but it would get edited/removed and you'd be warned...
;-)
desiv
(IMHO, I'm not a mod there...)
Sounds like the underlying issue is a set of rules either too complex or too different from other forums for posters or moderators to internalize. Glad you have memorized the rules so you can rebut me point by point.
But when you can't feel out the rules by reading the tone of other posts, something is wrong with the forum.
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Sounds like the underlying issue is a set of rules either too complex or too different from other forums for posters or moderators to internalize.
They are complicated. But, as it's a trading site, I am OK with that.. I expect it to be very different..
Glad you have memorized the rules so you can rebut me point by point.
You're welcome..
.. Oh, that was an insult.. HA!! Funny!! :D
Seriously, I've been a member there (and on lots of other Amiga sites) for a long time, so I'm fairly familiar with the rules.
But when I first joined, I got some things wrong..
I got some PMs.. It is a different site rule-wise..
But when you can't feel out the rules by reading the tone of other posts, something is wrong with the forum.
Yes and no..
It's not perfect.. There are issues..
There's lots of talk about it all the time, and they tweak the rules from time to time to try to improve it..
They have some "different" rules that take some getting used to..
You can't always judge by the tone of other messages, unless you read ALL the other messages, which isn't realistic.
Also, they strongly encourage people to read (and really read) the rules, but that's not realistic either (I know I didn't read them thoroughly initially).
So, you end up with encouraging reading the rules, and "reminders" about it when you miss it..
Once you get it, it's pretty easy to follow.
It's not for everyone, and that's OK... Not all sites are for all people..
Doesn't mean the site is bad.. Just is what it is..
Have a good one..
desiv
p.s. Back on topic...
I'm surprised they are still down.. Must be a serious compatibility issue, or the hosting site really isn't familiar with Apache 2.x....
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The rules are there to keep it safe, at the end of the day we are talking about hard earned money here, not something that should be taken advantage of. I do agree there have been countless times where I have seen things not being moderated but others have, it is inconsistant but there again nobody is perfect.
As for your post removal I doubt they would do that unless you infrindged several rules. They probably edited out the price which is what they would and should do. I can't say I agree with all the rules but i'd like to believe they are there with good intentions in mind for our safety.
I like how people complain so much on this forum. Is it really that hard just to avoid stuff that you don't like? I guess trolling is much more fun...
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The rules are there to keep it safe, at the end of the day we are talking about hard earned money here, not something that should be taken advantage of. I do agree there have been countless times where I have seen things not being moderated but others have, it is inconsistant but there again nobody is perfect.
As for your post removal I doubt they would do that unless you infrindged several rules. They probably edited out the price which is what they would and should do. I can't say I agree with all the rules but i'd like to believe they are there with good intentions in mind for our safety.
I like how people complain so much on this forum. Is it really that hard just to avoid stuff that you don't like? I guess trolling is much more fun...
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Amibay is run by a bunch of egoist geek control freaks. Internet stalking, privacy invasions, ip tracking, is standard procedure for these people. This kind of behavior is everything we hate in Apple and Microsoft and is against the spirit of Amiga. And they wonder why their site gets hacked all the time! Lulz.
Amibay is a disgrace compared to the once great Amibench.
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Amibay is run by a bunch of egoist geek control freaks. Internet stalking, privacy invasions, ip tracking, is standard procedure for these people. This kind of behavior is everything we hate in Apple and Microsoft and is against the spirit of Amiga. And they wonder why their site gets hacked all the time! Lulz.
Uh, can you point me to any time anybody's been tracked who wasn't a scammer? I've seen plenty of dumbasses trying to cheat members out of their money and get tracked down via IP logs and publically-available information which is then handed on to the proper authorities, but I can't recall anybody else being given a hard time. (The only edge case I can think of is AppleIIFan, who was a known repeat scammer in the Apple II community and came over to Amibay allegedly trying to go straight; I didn't really agree with the mods' preemptive action there, but he did have a history.)
And if you think logging IPs is "invasion of privacy," you don't really understand much about how the Internet works.
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I've been banned from there 3 times and still go back to both buy and sell.
I'm waiting for Merlin to come on down and make good on his threat to beat up a 65yo woman in order to get at me. I'd even pay his train fare but he hasn't taken me up on the offer yet :)
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I've been banned from there 3 times and still go back to both buy and sell.
What were you banned for, if you don't mind my asking?
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What were you banned for, if you don't mind my asking?
First time was for catching a high ranking member of Amibay out plagurizing other people's work and the other 2 times for being previously banned
I'm aiming for 10 bans, I'll then be eligible for a Blue Peter badge lol
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First time was for catching a high ranking member of Amibay out plagurizing other people's work
Really? Do tell.
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Really? Do tell.
I prefer not to as he eventually apologized and removed said plagurized work
Matter is closed as far as i'm concerned, let sleeping dogs lie :)
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commodore john
Yes, I was spyed on and tracked personally. I joined amibay and was a member for like 6 months. i bought an a1200 accel, which I used for a couple of months and upgraded to a better one. I sold the board to a friend in a user group who sold it on ebay. they tracked the board to me and banned me for "scalping" or some stupidity.
I've never in my life ever heard of any other amigan telling another he cant upgrade/trade/sell amiga hw how they want to . We all do it constantly.
The real problem i have is the internet stalking and privacy invasion. Its inexecusable
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I have heard someone say they believed the admins there regularly went through peoples PMs and read them.
Sounds unlikely, however there is plenty of people that have beef with Amibay, deserved or not. Clearly they are rubbing some people the wrong way with sometimes heavy handed and inconsistent moderating. I think part of the problem is too many moderators.
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I have heard someone say they believed .
Oh, you heard someone say they believed it???
Well, there we go.. :roflmao:
desiv
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Somehow, I see both sides of the issues with amibay. They don't want ebay dealers coming there buying amiga gear for cheap and then robbing people with crazy prices for it on ebay.
I know they have banned a few people for doing exactly that (Not saying those here did so, but I know of a few users for a fact who bought on amibay, jacked up the price they got it for x10 and went right to ebay with the gear.)
All this being said I don't think you can decide what people can do with what they own... If someone buys something they have the right to resell it at whatever price they can, and thats the freedom they are trying to take away from their buyers...
Steven
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All this being said I don't think you can decide what people can do with what they own...
True, but what Amibay is saying is that if you want to do that, don't be a member of Amibay....
You can still do that elsewhere.. Buy anywhere, sell anywhere..
Just not on Amibay.
It's one of numerous places where people can buy/sell.
I really like it, and it's worth the restrictions for me...
If it's not for you (in general, not you specifically HW), then it's OK and don't use the site.
But it's not a bad site because of it...
Amiga.org isn't a bad site because it's very open in the way they moderate. It's just what defines the site..
That should be OK...
I'm not saying Amibay is great or always fair or anything..
I'm just saying it's not bad. It's just what Amibay is. If it's not for you, then that's OK.
And remember.. There are two sides to every story.
And more importantly..
They are still down... :(
I wonder if they will have to install the software clean onto Apache 2.x and import the databases and configs.. that could be painful???
desiv
p.s. Oh, and for all of my talking about what Amibay is saying, it's all BS.. ;-) I don't speak for Amibay.. I'm not a mod. I'm not a hugely active trader.. I just like the site and can't keep from voicing my opinion about many many things. I'm sure they would MUCH rather I not. ;-)
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I have heard someone say they believed the admins there regularly went through peoples PMs and read them.
I have had that confirmed by a senior member of the website in past conversations
Not sure if they do it now but ... ;)
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I've casually bought (and sold an item or two) over the years at Amibay, never had a single problem or run in with a moderator. I picked up an A1200 from a member there a while back that turned out to be a POS, but it was cheap and I didn't ask enough questions. I can see how scalping might be an issue, but in my experience, a Picasso IV is going to cost 4-500 no matter where it's being sold.
Amibench was a great place to get scammed towards the end. I've also paid for items from amiga.org members that I never received. On that note, I'm glad to have a few more regulated avenues like ebay and amibay to choose from.
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I have heard someone say they believed the admins there regularly went through peoples PMs and read them.
OOH, I heard that Aliens selling spare parts on Amibay.
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OOH, I heard that Aliens selling spare parts on Amibay.
You too?
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OOH, I heard that Aliens selling spare parts on Amibay.
How dare you!!!
Aliens!!
They are "terrestrially challenged"!!
:laugh1:
desiv
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I must say I've found the mods to be responsive and helpful when ive made some n00b mistakes so I really can't complain.
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mm.. what kind of orrible psychopatic are amybay moderators:cool:. but how this can be interesting here, or intopic? truth is simply that amybay is a very good site as all we know, and every good site has its rules. but -always- someone wants to get smart, someone "clever" than other. Someone that usually at the end, in a forum as sometimes in the real life went banned for his stupidity. when this happen person can discuss his personal behaviour and change (subject with a chance to be better), or to whining and gossiping with other persons hoping to have their endorsement and so a momentary relief (subject with poor chance to be better, or other than stupid). this is my point of view, hope will be more interesting than previous out topic:)
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I have just returned to the Amiga scene in the last couple of months. The amibay admins have been great as far as I am concerned. I had a thread that started going off course and a moderator stepped in to keep it on track. So I just opened a new thread to discuss the issues that had gotten the original thread off track. Win/win right? So I don't really get all this negativity. And thanks to amiga.org moderators for giving us some space to discuss the current amibay problems.
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1&1 did a Debian Linux and Apache upgrade to their servers and in doing so, broke the php handling on their server, effectively knee-capping the site.
This is the message that came back today, after we lodged a support ticket with 1&1 earlier in the week to get the issue fixed...
"Our administrators have informed us that the current dedicated server you have, UK Dedicated Managed Server Value 1 (2008/08), was actually never intended to have support for PHP. Apparently there was a stable bug in the image design that allowed for PHP to be run, but however now that the debian upgrade has been performed the 'Value' servers are no longer able to support PHP. Additionally we no longer offer that tier of server anymore."
Huh? So Apache isn't a server php handler after all? I must have missed that meeting... O_o
We are working to get an alternative hosting solution sorted right now.
WotTheFook aka Merlin
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Thanx for the update..
Wow..
(A "stable bug"??? What a great way of describing it.. ;-) :-) :-) :-)
Good luck with moving to a better host.. ;-)
desiv
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"That's not a feature, it's a bug!"
Sheesh...
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I beg to differ, it's quite a nice forum as long as you read and respect the rules.
The rules are ridiculous and although i am not banned there, i have had run-ins with the mods. You can't reason with them( at least the one i dealt with) and its pointless to go back and forth because they cant seem to understand anything.
When i pointed out that the idiot who suggested twisting capacitors off amiga motherboards was causing inexperienced people to rip the pads off boards and doing harm. When i told the mods this instead of taking the message down their solution was to tell me to write a better guide,meanwhile leaving this damaging info up.. UH HELLO?:furious:
If i had time to write a guide it would of been posted already.
They say silly things like EVIL BAY and yet they have bay in their name.
I'm no ebay fan,but unless you use paypal to pay you can just as easily be ripped off in any transaction. It's Ironic that they don't seem to mind using Paypal which is part of evil bay. Its delusional to think amibay is any safer than any other method of buying and selling.
They talk crap about resellers (even though in effect anyone who ever sells used gear is technically a reseller).
There are some knowledgeable users there, its just a shame they don't post on proper Amiga forums.
As far as i can tell amibay is a good place for spreading the typical amiga misinformation.
It is basically the UK "good old boy network" as far as i can tell.
Mech
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It is basically the UK "good old boy network" as far as i can tell.
Yeah, anyone who thinks they can one-up the eBay/PayPal combo in buyer protection is delusional, not to mention the whole premise of people nosing in to every transaction and tracking items as they go from user to user is completely ridiculous and shows that yes, there are people with too much time on their hands that are too interested in the dealings of others.
NO ONE EXPECTS TEH AMIBAY INQUISITION! ....oh wait, yes they do.
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When i pointed out that the idiot who suggested twisting capacitors off amiga motherboards was causing inexperienced people to rip the pads off boards and doing harm. When i told the mods this instead of taking the message down their solution was to tell me to write a better guide,meanwhile leaving this damaging info up.. UH HELLO?:furious:
There are lots of different opinions on teh interwebs.
I remember that thread and people brought up that it could be risky.
The person posting (doing this from memory, since they are still down) originally was maintaining that pulling straight up was bad and could damage pads, but twisting wouldn't for some reason...
I don't remember all the reasoning behind it. It sounded risky to me, but it was his opinion.
He's apparently done that a lot and not had a problem.
He posted his belief. People posted replies that they weren't so sure...
He was (IIRC) a working electronics tech (which doesn't mean he's right, but..).
That's the internet.
I read that thread and decided not to try that.
They suggested you write your own guide.. That sounded like a good recommendation..
They say silly things like EVIL BAY and yet they have bay in their name.
They? All of them? ;-)
I'm know some people there say that.. I like to say e-bait. :-) Yes, it's silly.. I don't think anyone takes me seriously, and I shop more on e-bait than I do on Amibay.. ;-)
As for the mods, they don't like people talking about e-bay at all...
They would prefer it not come up, and get frustrated when their users rant about it..
Sounds like you would like Amibay to be much more restrictive in their moderation... Interesting, most people who don't like Amibay seem to think they do too much moderation..
Its delusional to think amibay is any safer than any other method of buying and selling/
Yes and no..
It can be safer, if you know the person selling; and frequently you do. It's a smaller area.
On e-bay, you have to rely on the ratings system.
That being said, especially with new sellers, there is risk; and they remind people to be careful.
To me, it's more about keeping the Amiga/retro equipment in the community. I bought my 8M RAM card for $xx on Amibay. A good deal I think.. Then I got an ACA.. I sold the 8M to someone on Amibay who needed one for less than I paid. I felt good about helping out someone that way. I could try to do that on e-bay, but I think I'm more likely to get it into the hands of someone who needs it (rather than a re-seller) at a good price that way. I could be wrong, but that's the way I feel about it.
It is basically the UK "good old boy network" as far as i can tell.
Well, as long as your thoughts are based on facts and not some geographical bias, we're all good. ;-)
As I've said, Amibay is an option. It's not perfect. It's not for everyone. It's not for you. That's OK.. But it's not a bad site..
It just is what it is..
As is e-bay and Amiga.org and.. etc..
IMHO
desiv
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Well you found the time to write this rant, if you used it more productively I'm sure you could find the time to write that guide ;)
All those posting your sob stories about Amibay you are as entitled to your opinion as much as Amibay is to run a Website/Trading Venue/Forum as it sees fit.
But if you don't like the site don't use it, simple!
Amibay really has been at the center of my return to the scene, I've been able to find well priced Amiga items to add to my collection and it's been a great place to sell my unwanted items.
The staff and members that I have dealt with have all made it a wonderful place to trade and share the progress with my projects :cool:
The discussion on Amibay may be moderated strict and the rules may seem a little harsh to some, but they are there to protect the members and make the lives of the moderators (who donate their time to running the site) a little bit easier.
Hopefully the site is back up soon, thanks again to the Mods for the updates :)
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There are lots of different opinions on teh interwebs.
I remember that thread and people brought up that it could be risky.
No, there has been a correct way to replace surface mount caps on electronics since they were invented, this is not about opinion,its about fact (and common sense-which is not so common).
The person posting (doing this from memory, since they are still down) originally was maintaining that pulling straight up was bad and could damage pads, but twisting wouldn't for some reason...
I don't remember all the reasoning behind it. It sounded risky to me, but it was his opinion.
He's apparently done that a lot and not had a problem.
He posted his belief. People posted replies that they weren't so sure...
He was (IIRC) a working electronics tech (which doesn't mean he's right, but..).
It doesn't matter if you do a indian rain dance on one foot while jerking on a capacitor,its the wrong way period. No need for speculation or guessing.
His "opinion" causes damage to good boards period(that i have to fix in many cases).I hope he doesn't starve as a "tech" with bad practices like that.
Its common sense, you have a delicate copper pad soldered with molten metal to a capacitor. its was soldered on originally,it must be soldered off.. i don't see whats so hard to understand-no magic, voodoo, or witch doctoring needed.
That's the internet.
I read that thread and decided not to try that.
They suggested you write your own guide.. That sounded like a good recommendation..
Are you even paying attention? I don't have time, i've been busy fixing boards that people messed up following this guys advice.
They? All of them? ;-)
I'm know some people there say that.. I like to say e-bait. :-) Yes, it's silly.. I don't think anyone takes me seriously, and I shop more on e-bait than I do on Amibay.. ;-)
As for the mods, they don't like people talking about e-bay at all...
They would prefer it not come up, and get frustrated when their users rant about it..
Typical hypocrites.. They don't mind using paypal(a division of ebay).
That is another thing, i see most the users there abuse paypal by sending everything as "GIFT" so avoid all fee's. Its just a matter of time to see that service shut down when the bean counters figure how much they money are losing ruining the service for the rest of us.Its a measily 4% or so which is like $4 of $100. [/Quote]
Sounds like you would like Amibay to be much more restrictive in their moderation... Interesting, most people who don't like Amibay seem to think they do too much moderation..
If that is the conclusion you drew,then you are wrong. taking down bad,damaging info is not over moderation, it is common sense.Asking the person who posted it to take it down didn't work.
Yes and no..
It can be safer, if you know the person selling; and frequently you do. It's a smaller area.
On e-bay, you have to rely on the ratings system.
HUH? i know people who have bought items from amibay here in the usa as well as canada and other countries...small group? it is NO safer. As a matter of fact i know a few people who have gotten broken hardware only for the amibay member to disappear. No different to what can happen on ebay. Why do you keep pushing this farce that it is safer.
That being said, especially with new sellers, there is risk; and they remind people to be careful.
To me, it's more about keeping the Amiga/retro equipment in the community. I bought my 8M RAM card for $xx on Amibay. A good deal I think.. Then I got an ACA.. I sold the 8M to someone on Amibay who needed one for less than I paid. I felt good about helping out someone that way. I could try to do that on e-bay, but I think I'm more likely to get it into the hands of someone who needs it (rather than a re-seller) at a good price that way. I could be wrong, but that's the way I feel about it.
In most cases short of knowing the person,you cannot say what happens to the hardware. it can go in a collectors closet,ebay,or in a landfill. Just because you deal in a narrow range does not mean others have that luxury. When you need a hard to find piece of hardware you go where its available.
Well, as long as your thoughts are based on facts and not some geographical bias, we're all good. ;-)
As I've said, Amibay is an option. It's not perfect. It's not for everyone. It's not for you. That's OK.. But it's not a bad site..
It just is what it is..
As is e-bay and Amiga.org and.. etc..
IMHO
desiv
I just call it like i see it. You guys perpetuate this false "amibay is safer" thing. At the end of the day only using paypal will likely save your butt since it has buyer and seller protections.
I had not intended to hijack this thread,and i will not reply to any further messages here.
Mech :D
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Here be trolls.... don't feed them.
I'm waiting for Godwin's Law to be proven again, if it hasn't already been in this thread...
/bothered
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No, there has been a correct way to replace surface mount caps on electronics since they were invented,
Which is your opinion.
As I said, it's also mine. I didn't agree with it.
It's not his..
Everyone with an opinion about what is right (myself included) is sure the other people are wrong..
Are you even paying attention? I don't have time, i've been busy fixing boards that people messed up following this guys advice.
I didn't see where you said you fixed boards that you knew were damaged because someone twisted. I must have missed that, sorry..
I saw that you said his advice was causing that, but I wasn't sure if that was direct evidence, or not.
I can see someone reading his post, but pulling and not twisting and breaking it and saying they followed his post and it broke.
That being said, I can also see it being bad advice. I didn't like it myself.
I'm glad there were people like you who posted their opinion on it.
Typical hypocrites.. They don't mind using paypal(a division of ebay).
So if you use paypal, that means you have to like e-bay because they own them? Interesting..
That is another thing, i see most the users there abuse paypal by sending everything as "GIFT" so avoid all fee's.
I don't think its "most" users, but I agree...
Amibay does not recommend doing that, and have warned users of the risks, but they don't prevent people from doing that.
I personally hate that and won't use paypal gift.
If that is the conclusion you drew,then you are wrong. taking down bad,damaging info is not over moderation, it is common sense.Asking the person who posted it to take it down didn't work.
I didn't say it was overmoderation. I said it was more restrictive in moderation.
I'm not one of the people who feels Amibay is overly restrictive.
HUH? i know people who have bought items from amibay here in the usa as well as canada and other countries...small group?
Compared to e-bay? Of course it is.. Small doesn't imply geographically close.. It could just be number of members.
it is NO safer. As a matter of fact i know a few people who have gotten broken hardware only for the amibay member to disappear. No different to what can happen on ebay. Why do you keep pushing this farce that it is safer.
Once again, I do NOT use Amibay because it is supposedly safer.
That said, buying from a smaller (not necessarily geographically) group can be safer..
Now, there's an important word there.. "safer"
safer does NOT equal safe.
I never said it was safe.
Buying has inherent risks.
I just call it like i see it. You guys perpetuate this false "amibay is safer" thing.
You guys?
It's not black or white. Not everyone on Amibay thinks the same way, just like not everyone on amiga.org thinks the same way.
And once again, safer does not equal safe. No one (that I have seen) is saying there aren't any risks...
I have nothing against you.
I am glad you sell the products you sell and have heard only good things.
All I am saying is that Amibay is not bad just because it's not for you.
desiv
p.s. I'm not saying Amibay is safe... ;-) I do think it's marginally safer, but I still tell people to always use paypal and never use paypal gift. And I use e-bay and other services too....
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Here be trolls.... don't feed them.
I'm waiting for Godwin's Law to be proven again, if it hasn't already been in this thread...
/bothered
I was being completely sincere in my earlier post. Amibay is inconsistently moderated to the point that it sometimes causes frustration among members (trolls and regular users alike.)
I sincerely wish I felt comfortable enough to have spoken with someone there, but I feared even the most softly worded constructive criticism might result in a ban.
So I chose to complain here where I cannot be banned. Dows that make me a troll? From your perspective, it might…
At any rate, I have not been on Amybay in months (or a year?) I only posted here to show that some 'trolls' also worry about Amibay’s moderation.
Rebut this post in any way you want. Call me whatever names you want. I won’t defend myself anymore.
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I was being completely sincere in my earlier post.
No names..
Unfortunate that you were afraid you'd be banned.
In my opinion (which many disagree with, and sometimes, properly :-), PMing to the mods about concerns won't get you banned..
It might not get you the answer you want, but it won't get you banned.
I've had some good discussions with the MODs there when I have concerns.
Yes, I don't always agree with them.. ;-)
We have had frequent PM discussions.
I always think they've heard me...
They don't generally act on my concerns, but I hope they remember and if there are enough other people, perhaps it will make a difference..
That being said, sometimes I end up learning what their perspective is.
And frequently, I come to an understanding (if not agreement) on why they are doing what they are doing...
I think you are totally free to voice your thoughts to the MODs in PMs..
They have yet to ban me for that.... ;-)
Pop back by and see...
(Well, not right now, as it's still broken... ;-)
It's not everyone's cup of tea, but if you are OK with it being what it is, there are some great people there...
And people like me too, but you have to take the good with the bad.. ;-)
desiv
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Who needs amibay, just did some digging on here and found Mika's contact details. Now the long wait for it to be sent to NZ :-)
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just a heads up.
paypal isn't safe, the "buyer protection" is completely redundant, as if there are no funds left in the persons paypal account, they won't refund the money.
I paid $4200 for something, guy never sent it, took the issue up with paypal, they investigated, told me they'd decided in my favour, and that when the person had sufficient funds in their account, they'd be able to refund it to me... ah, what?
So, I contacted my credit card company, and they reversed the transaction, leaving paypal chasing the other party for the money... screw you paypal! ;) hahahahah
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It`s quite interesting to see all the negative comments about Amibay here, didn`t realise there was so much hostility to the site. I have to admit that I spend most of my time on Amibay as the people on their are extremely helpful, I have not found another site where people are willing to give their time and gear away for free to help others like those on Amibay. Sure it can be a bit strict at times and inconsistent but hey that`s life and as Fitzstve said if you don`t like it there then b**ger off, life`s too short to be complaining like old women about Amibay. But I do like Amiga.org, eab.abime and the other sites but I guess it is a continental thing too, I am British and to be honest it is easier to communicate with the users on Amibay as they are mostly British, sounds bad to say it but it`s the truth.
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I haven't had a bad experience with amibay yet. The mods I've come in contact with have been very helpful no matter how stupid my questions have been.
The other thing that amibay is great for is getting in contact with other hardware guru's and getting some great kit. i.e. 8MB module from Tom and internal IDE from Mika.
Didn't know these guys existed until discovering amibay.
EAB is another great forum, plenty of good threads/forums about hardware mods and photos to look at.
Amiga.org has been my home base for awhile, through red/blue splits/being sold etc.
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Downside of amibay is spending more than intended. :-(
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Downside of amibay is spending more than intended. :-(
I have that problem with eBay too! :D
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I'm with fitzsteve (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=7341)! amibay is on my daily visits since returning to the scene several months ago. Hell, fitzsteve (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=7341) posts are on my daily visits! I have read his history series (parts 1 through 487!). Ok, ok. Maybe a little less than 487 parts. But still loads of fun. So I say thank you amiga.org. Thank you eab. Thank you amibay. Thank you fitzsteve (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=7341). And thank you amibay mods as you work to get the board back up and running.
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as we can see attention given to AmyBay, even with some tedious comment, provides a significant measure of its importance for international retrogamers community. in my opinion this support tha validity of moderators job. then, if someone don't think so can without problems delete amybay link from favorites, surely the better solutions for all:)
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Looks like AmiBay is moving hosting services/servers:
Amibay.com is currently offline
We have been experiencing some server issues and are now in the process of moving the site to a new server. This work is expected to take a couple of days, so we are hopeful Amibay will be back up and running by the weekend.
We can be reached at admin@amibay.com
Progress updates will also be posted by Harrison on http://forum.classicamiga.com
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I have that problem with eBay too! :D
Yes, looked through my purchase history on Ebay and it's a shocker :-)
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I had a nice bit of cash saved up for my play money. I got back into the Amiga scene several months ago and I have blown all my saved up play money! But man am I having fun!
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When i pointed out that the idiot who suggested twisting capacitors off amiga motherboards was causing inexperienced people to rip the pads off boards and doing harm.
I missed that thread, but I generally stick to the FS section. Anyway, you are spot on here - twisting capacitors off is a great way to ruin a board!
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http://www.amibay.com = no go
However
http://www.amibay.com/index.php = working :-)
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Weird, it even let me logon when using the index link.
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We're back.....
OK, http://www.amibay.com/index.php should get you back in. http://www.amibay.com is still not working 100% but I think that's down to a DNS routing update that needs to refresh on your local ISP server caches.
;)
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It`s quite interesting to see all the negative comments about Amibay here, didn`t realise there was so much hostility to the site. I have to admit that I spend most of my time on Amibay as the people on their are extremely helpful, I have not found another site where people are willing to give their time and gear away for free to help others like those on Amibay. Sure it can be a bit strict at times and inconsistent but hey that`s life and as Fitzstve said if you don`t like it there then b**ger off, life`s too short to be complaining like old women about Amibay. But I do like Amiga.org, eab.abime and the other sites but I guess it is a continental thing too, I am British and to be honest it is easier to communicate with the users on Amibay as they are mostly British, sounds bad to say it but it`s the truth.
Yes but we are talking about the internet here and guys love to have a bit of a b*tch about stuff since they feel superior and right after doing so. I always wonderd why Wayne sold this site and looking back, it's about the same time I stopped being so active on here.
Needless to say, I lost alot of interest in this forum because of theads like these. Plain unhelpful and just so negative all the time. it's really sad since I remember the days of old when I joined this place over 6 years ago and it was a much different story back then.
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Mechy you hit the nail on the head. Amibay is a good ole FANBOY network in UK. They DONT like Americans for sure. And THEY DO 100% read PMs all the time. Not only this but they privacy invade by internet stalking people.
I loved your post about how these idiots say "Evil bay" yet they have bay in the name. LULZ. Even more of a joke they all use ebay all the time. To make it worse they run that site worse than the Ebay nazis ever could. Its so anti amiga.
I'm actually shocked people use the site because of this Big Brother elitist attitude. The original Amibench creator should cry himself to sleep at night what these people have done to his once cool Amiga trading post.
How many times do these morons need to get their site hacked by Amiga people before they learn to change their ways? NEVER because they dont care in the least bit about the community. Only their little happy click of British amigan HOARDERS. How sad and pathetic
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i just got a "Could not find phrase 'invalid_redirect_url_x'."
When trying to login in my account... :huh:
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They DONT like Americans for sure.
Some of the mods are Americans. :-)
And many of the happy users as well..
But - and I am only saying that because I care - there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.
We accept that the site isn't for you tho.
That's OK...
Oh, maybe working now? I gotta go check it out!
desiv
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I'm American, I've never had anybody there give me any crap about it.
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commodore john
Im guessing you havent done a lot of transactions there.
@ Desiv
Yes, people that read my PMs, internet stalk me, and generally invade my privacy are not for me you are right.
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Well over a dozen, actually. Never had a problem with any of them, except one guy that turned out to be a scammer and was banned (before I paid, thankfully.)
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commodore john
Im guessing you havent done a lot of transactions there.
@ Desiv
Yes, people that read my PMs, internet stalk me, and generally invade my privacy are not for me you are right.
Don't you ever give up? You sound like a broken record...
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I have had a great run so far with Amibay for selling and buying some Amiga stuff.
They have been great to work with and I don't have a complaint.
I haven't seen any arrogance against myself, an American.
Again, so far it has been fun buying and selling. Time will tell if that changes.
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The only ones bitching in here are ones that broke the rules, got caught and were banned. Two of them were profiteering at the expense of our members and one was banned for multiple breaches of the rules on duplicate accounts.
If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.
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If u have done nothing wrong u have nothing to fear. Spoken like a true fascist. It's funny that's what CIA/FBI/NSA says how perfect!
So if amibay has nothing to hide why did my post to Merlin get DELETED on the eab thread? Hmm they are certainly hiding something. Reminds me of the ministry of truth from 1984 deleting reality to conform to their desire.
Matt3k
Sure it's all fun now as soon as u go up against an egomaniac mod and they ban you. Oh and I hope u have zero expectation of privacy on amibay. They are as bad as CIA book aka face book
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Dang it..
I just typed this great long "can't we all get a long" post.
It was beautiful...
Very moving... Trust me...
But apparently I hit preview and not save!!!
Oh the humanity...
It's a sign...
I'm done.
I wish everyone in here well..
Have a good one..
desiv
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I would like to hear from a high ranking Amibay admin like Merlin or Zetr0 about a couple things:
Magnetic has stated he was unfairly banned due to perceived scalping or flipping of 1 item. When he called them out on their overbearing rules, he was life banned. What I would like to know is why exactly he was banned. Cause its pretty easy to look through the Amibay forums and see people sell items they recently received or no longer need. Some (though I am not going to name names) are habitual seller/upgraders and this hasn't been an issue.
Also, he has mentioned that Amibay admins read other users PMs. To be honest I have heard this from another source a couple weeks ago and I would like to hear if there is any truth in this and if so, under what conditions it was done? This seems like it would be an enormous breach of peoples Privacy.
Also, its pretty obvious that there is a small, but vocal community upset with Amibay and some of their rules and policies. Perhaps the Amibay admins need to take a step back and reconsider how things have been ran to date and possibly consider that things could be done differently and better for the sake of the community. Amibay is a community driven site and when parts of that community, however small, start voicing concerns we should consider what can be done to improve the experience that Amibay provides.
And yes, I am a member over there (different user name). In the past when I have brought my concerns directly to a mod via PM or opened a thread in the forum, I seem to get this very distinct "don't rock the boat" type of response.
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For some reference, go here:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55500
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?p=123014
(for those who love old "scandals")
magnetic is quite vocal, and his case has been discussed before.
For full disclosure, I'm a moderator over at Amibay. I remember that his case was discussed, twice.
I don't think that it will be well spent time to dig up this dead horse for another beating.
Yes, there is a small vocal community who doesn't like Amibay. Keyword is small. Amibay works for it's members, and not for everyone. It's like tv, don't like what's on? Change the channel.
Much of Amibays success, for those who like it there, is the style of moderation. It's allowed to have fun, and talk retro. But if you like to make a nuisance through name-calling and other low brow ways of expressing yourself, you'd be happier at another site. And the mods will happily show you the door.
To me there are several good Amiga forums, Amibay, English Amiga Board, Amiga.org, AmigaWorld.net and MorphZone. And several more, each one has it's distinct appeal and good sides.
At Amibay I know I can relax in a friendly place, and strike up a deal in moderately orderly settings. More free, but also stricter than eBay.
Here, I can enjoy lots of fun and rumors, if Amibay is like the country club, Amiga.org is the Star Wars Cantina.
Each place has it's own style and wibe. All is good IMHO.
As for magnetic, his case is old and his feelings or pride are still hurt. Sorry to hear that, but life goes on - and I'm sure he's still had a lot of good times at other Amiga sites and with other Amiga guys.
So to quote the police "nothing to see here, move along. Enjoy your day sir" :)
Disclaimer: All these are my personal opinons, and may not reflect those of Amibay Global LLC :P LOL "corporate drones have spoken" :)
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Amibay is run by a bunch of egoist geek control freaks. Internet stalking, privacy invasions, ip tracking, is standard procedure for these people. This kind of behavior is everything we hate in Apple and Microsoft and is against the spirit of Amiga. And they wonder why their site gets hacked all the time! Lulz.
Amibay is a disgrace compared to the once great Amibench.
You were Banned because you like making money on the backs of Amiga
users buy it cheap and sell it for a profit I see alot wrong with that we
call it profiteering...
And the only disgrace I see is you and that comes from a American amibay
is more or less a place for people who like order and not chaos..
All this happened in 2010 just grow up magnetic!
PS.
I'm also a Mod so your American theory is out the window were all just people there...
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Mechy you hit the nail on the head. Amibay is a good ole FANBOY network in UK. They DONT like Americans for sure. And THEY DO 100% read PMs all the time. Not only this but they privacy invade by internet stalking people.
I loved your post about how these idiots say "Evil bay" yet they have bay in the name. LULZ. Even more of a joke they all use ebay all the time. To make it worse they run that site worse than the Ebay nazis ever could. Its so anti amiga.
I'm actually shocked people use the site because of this Big Brother elitist attitude. The original Amibench creator should cry himself to sleep at night what these people have done to his once cool Amiga trading post.
How many times do these morons need to get their site hacked by Amiga people before they learn to change their ways? NEVER because they dont care in the least bit about the community. Only their little happy click of British amigan HOARDERS. How sad and pathetic
I can see where this is going. This reminds me of the threads with Magnetic and Franko that turned the whole forum upside down. Magnetic can you drop it? LOL
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If u have done nothing wrong u have nothing to fear. Spoken like a true fascist. It's funny that's what CIA/FBI/NSA says how perfect!
So if amibay has nothing to hide why did my post to Merlin get DELETED on the eab thread? Hmm they are certainly hiding something. Reminds me of the ministry of truth from 1984 deleting reality to conform to their desire.
Matt3k
Sure it's all fun now as soon as u go up against an egomaniac mod and they ban you. Oh and I hope u have zero expectation of privacy on amibay. They are as bad as CIA book aka face book
Wow amazing what drugs can do!!!!:insane:
Your just one :anger: :pissed: off dude!!
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May I suggest this gets closed now? Firstly AmiBay is back up and secondly it's just butthurt banned members flaming this thread now.
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+1
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Chris Union
Do you know anything about Facebook? Who financed it? Apparently not.
And do you deny that Amibay spys on its users? Because if you do you have a pretty indefensable postion.
And not one of the mods from Amibay has justified how they banned me for life without any previous warning for selling one item off of amibay for a better one. (it was an ematrix and I got an apollo)
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Chris Union
Do you know anything about Facebook? Who financed it? Apparently not.
And do you deny that Amibay spys on its users? Because if you do you have a pretty indefensable postion.
And not one of the mods from Amibay has justified how they banned me for life without any previous warning for selling one item off of amibay for a better one. (it was an ematrix and I got an apollo)
*indefensible, *position
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May I suggest this gets closed now? Firstly AmiBay is back up and secondly it's just butthurt banned members flaming this thread now.
I agree with ya Tokyoracer thanks amiga.org for putting up with this crap..
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why wont you honestly answer the fair questions I ask? Its because they were wrong and you know it. That is why they deleted my question to Merlin on EAB. Its so transparant. So anti amigan.
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The broken record goes round and round, round and round :insane:
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yeah the broken record until they give a proper response to their wrongdoings.
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yeah the broken record until they give a proper response to their wrongdoings.
So if we really want to go over this one conflict again, in the Amibay thread where your banning was discussed, Merlin said that you had the opportunity to contact the admins and dispute the judgement/seek some kind of reconciliation but hadn't (as of the time of writing.) Did you ever seek acquittal through the channels provided? Or are you just complaining about something you didn't even try to fix?
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Commodorejohn
Of course I tried to appeal it. It was pointelss. I think the real reason they banned me was how upset I was that not only did they stalk me on the internet but they also stalked a friend of mine during their "investigation" I also called them un amigan for trying to tell people what they can and cant do with their own personal hw. ( I sold my board because I found another one. Something amigans do all the time) I never intented to purchase the board for resell. I have better things to do than flip a board to make $30 us. Its also the kind of tactics you expect from M$ or Apple and we amigans are against this kind of thing. (As are the open source crowd)
Why do you think i'm so angry about this? I joined Amibay when I got back into classics because the forums are cool and there is a lot of productive users with cool mods and advice. But the methods of spying they used in the "investigation" were ugly and privacy invading. I have very strong convictions when it comes to personal privacy.
So I have no idea what Merlin is talking about as ALL the mods there know about this and they voted for it to happen. I wrote a page long Pm in the appeal as to why I sold the board (found a better accel) they didnt care. No warnings, no chances just life ban. As stated by others in this thread the high and mighty amibay mod fanboy club cannot be challenged. How lame.
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hugs?
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hugs?
I was gonna offer Magnetic a cup of Concrete*! :D
*to harden the F'K up! :banana:
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I'm thinking that since amibay is back up AND this thread has gone so WILDLY off on a tangent it might be time to lock it up and shut down anymore posts here!
If you want to rant against amibay, I suggest a new thread specifically for that purpose!
Just my nickel...