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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Lurch on June 12, 2012, 09:26:17 AM
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Have a very wavy picture and horizontal lines running up the screen. Occasionally a pink flash.
If I connect the Amiga 500 plus back up with the s-video it's fine.
I have removed the Indivision and checked all the pins, have checked the riser card.
Have pushed it in as far as I can get it to go and appears to have no gaps, the pins are all where they are supposed to be, have installed the ground cable.
Have tried without the ECS Denise. The Amiga 500 plus is a full ECS machine so can't see any issue there.
Have stripped it down to just the motherboard and the indivsion connected and still the same thing.
Installed the Indivision config tool as I have a funny jagged missing gap at the bottom which is apparently normal on some monitors. Still same problem.
Have googled around and found one guy having the same issues and I got the impression he pushed it so hard the board bent to try and get it to work.
Not sure what else to try :-/ The most money I've spent on an Amiga LOL :-)
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Have you contacted AmigaKit for support?
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Have raised a ticket with them, but probably be in bed asleep before they read it :-)
Oh and have tried another monitor same fault.
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Make SURE it is plugged in all the way. I thought mine was, and it wasn't. I had vertical bars that looked like looking out of a jail cell, and pink flashes when I moved the mouse. I carefully "adjusted" the pins, and pressed so hard the motherboard was bending, and it snapped in. All is well now. It can be VERY hard to plug in. Just be careful and don't bend any pins or break the socket.
Jeff
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Thanks k4lmp, will try again. Have adjusted the pins and seems to be a snug fit, not sure how much more force the board can take.
But will try again :-)
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A little better now but still looks bad, shimmering/wavy picture with the occasional flicker. Move the mouse it gets worse.
Have pushed, adjusted and pulled.
The most annoying little hardware board I've ever witnessed, nowhere near as good as my s-video adapter or even a scart cable.
Picture is shaking all over the place. Looks good through a camera though, damn camera :-)
I've walked away from it before it get's shoved back in it's box :-)
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Do you have it grounded? Could be a defective unit, in which case you should return it.
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Knowing my luck prolly is faulty, but I would assume Amigakit test them as they upgrade the firmware and stick their logo on it?
Anyway will give it another try later today.
Had the day off today to enjoy playing some games via VGA but it's not meant to be I guess.
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Have grounded it as per the manual picture, it's the only real place possible with the cable provided.
If I remove the CPU and turn on the machine the Indivision Boot picture is crisp and clear. Of course this is of little help ;-)
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Some photos of my faulty Indivision ECS :( More to come....
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If I remove the CPU and turn on the machine the Indivision Boot picture is crisp and clear. Of course this is of little help ;-)
Have you tried putting your original 68000 back in to see if it is a compatibility issue with the 68010?
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One more :-) I need a new camera LOL
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Have you tried putting your original 68000 back in to see if it is a compatibility issue with the 68010?
Yep, stripped right back to just a motherboard, 68000 and the indivision. So a little puzzled.
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Yep, stripped right back to just a motherboard, 68000 and the indivision. So a little puzzled.
Weird!!!
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Yep, very weird. Waiting for Amigakit to get back to me, I see my ticket is assigned so will see what the next step is.
Will let you know what happens :-)
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so, how did it go?
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Yeah, we need an update. I hope you got it. Like I said in my earlier post, I was very frustrated with mine, until I discovered it wasn't plugged in all the way, but after I figured that out (with help from this board), it is working great. If it was a bad one, I hope you got another one. Let us know what you found out.
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Well it's been awhile but I finally got my IndiECS back from Amigakit. Which is where the good news finishes :-)
I have a new A500 plus board (well you know what I mean), installed the Indi same issue only worse now.
Colours very bright and washed out
Now and then on boot a red screen and flashing led on the Amiga.
Indi tool has the buttons but doesn't show you the settings beside it. Click any of the buttons and the Amiga locks/freezes.
Horizontal lines now follow the mouse
Green flashing is a ghost image of what is on screen.
Connect up my Amiga maniac s-video and VGA convertor box works great.
My views on the Indi so far are not that great. Brings back the old term plug and pray.
So not far off holding a burning ceremony just need to borrow a handy cam for the moment.
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so, you sent it to them, they said it was fine and sent it back?
or, they replaced it?
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Yep, stripped right back to just a motherboard, 68000 and the indivision. So a little puzzled.
What PSU are you using? Bad PSUs could cause visual problems like the ones you describe.
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@ AmmoJammo - Sent it back and they said they knew what it was and applied a fix :-)
@ Crumb - Have tried a standard Amiga PSU and two ATX PSU's. A Pico and standard ATX.
Works fine if I'm using an s-video adapter, only get the problems when the Indi is being used.
Don't really want to go through sending it back again as last time it took two months :-/ Have updated them so will see what they come back with.
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Going to grab another ATX PSU from work and go from there :-)
2 ATX
1 PICO
1 A500 (heavy version) PSU
Tried so far, so whats one more? ;-)
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Another PSU 300W ATX, one board, one indivision, one monitor, nothing else. Same result.
I give up :-)
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It's crap. Send it back for a refund.
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Is it possible you could record a video of the actual fault so we can all see what we're dealing with? If we could see it, some people may have a good idea where the problem lies.
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http://youtu.be/0m1cxu-C1gA?hd=1
A little hard to see the jelly (jello) wobbly screen and the entire screen flashing green really quickly.
Can see the lines and flicking and tearing :-)
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Appears to be noise. Make sure board is grounded and shielded.
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This would be perfect in my Amiga 500 tower computers, but the price is too fracken high. Now if they were $59.95 I would buy two of them, but, over $100.00 each, screw that. I am not stupid enough to pay that kind of money for one of these boards. Places like AmigaKit, they really take advantage of you people, and they are laughing at you all the way to the bank.
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This would be perfect in my Amiga 500 tower computers, but the price is too fracken high. Now if they were $59.95 I would buy two of them, but, over $100.00 each, screw that. I am not stupid enough to pay that kind of money for one of these boards. Places like AmigaKit, they really take advantage of you people, and they are laughing at you all the way to the bank.
I don't even know why I frequent this forum anymore... The rampant idiocy is beyond ridiculous. It is a damned good thing that breathing is an involuntary thing as I am certain that if active THOUGHT was required many of you would be dead by now.
OK I will talk real slow for you so you hopefully won't miss anything..
As has been stated at least 20 trillion times on this board and many others, building hardware for the Amiga (or any other extremely limited quantity item) means that the possible sales of such hardware will be extremely low as well... Low quantities means a higher price for each one as the higher the quantity sold the more you can spread the R&D, manufacturing, overhead etc.
Once again you guys bitch piss and moan that no one builds anything for the Amiga and then when they do you slam them for it and whine that they don't give it away.
I think the world is being taken over by Spock's (Dr. Spock, NOT the Star Trek one) children and you are so whiny, needy, spoiled and "Entitled" that you have moved into the land of absolute IDIOCY.
Oh and the answer is that if it is to pricey for YOU, just don't buy it...
but save the rest of us your self-centered opinions based on lack of thought or intellect..
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It is too pricey, so, I will not buy it. I do not support greedy people. I worked in the electronics industry for many years, there is no reason for this board to cost more then $59.95, accept maybe greed. And to be frank, even $59.95 seems a bit high to me for what this is.
REMEMBER: Greed was the main reason why Commodore went out of business in the first place.
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Anyway, back on topic, try testing the board with the shield back on. What I saw in the YouTube video is "noise" or interference. Make sure that the Denise socket is a high quality "double-contact" socket. Many Amiga 500 computers I repaired had low quality sockets that had to be replaced. DO NOT use "machined" sockets. These are for special purposes. Make sure the grounding wire is soldered correctly.
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It is too pricey, so, I will not buy it. I do not support greedy people. I worked in the electronics industry for many years, there is no reason for this board to cost more then $59.95, accept maybe greed. And to be frank, even $59.95 seems a bit high to me for what this is.
REMEMBER: Greed was the main reason why Commodore went out of business in the first place.
Don't buy one then, as simple as that.
It's easy to talk but you just make yourself looking as a fool, the small productions and the parts used when making Amiga hardware makes it expensive, if you have ever been involved in small production runs you know no matter what hardware is used it will cost a lot.
You say you have been in the "electronics industry" doing what? Lightbulbs or mopping floors?
No point arguing with people like you, you think you know how things work an sit on your high horse and say ive been doing this and that and nothing to show for it.
Even if the indi ecs would cost 50$ to make I still would have no problem paying an extra 50$ for the work and effort been put into it.
Go and design your own hardware and manufacture it then come talking.
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Ignorance is neither a crime nor a defect of character; arrogance is an excellent example of the latter
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Could it be dirty mains? Either on the A500, monitor or both? Do you have any interference in your vacinity that you know of?
Is there any way you could test your kit somewhere else? Like at a friends house?
If you've tried a different motherboard, different monitor, and AmigaKit says the Indi is okay, then there's a good chance it is.
How about your monitor cable? Could you try a different one? Or have you already?
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@ paul1981 - Have tried a higher quality VGA cable that we use at work. Same deal, it does look like noise of some sort.
I have the Indi earthed to the A500 as per the picture in the brief manual that came with it. It clicks into the socket fine.
Will try replacing the power cords for the monitor and ATX PSU next.
Could it be the power board it's plugged into, which would be weird because it works fine with an S-video adapter and I use it for other computers.
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I'm sorry, I've read your posts/thread and did you say you have tried the Indivision ECS Configuration tool? I found it on Jen's site by Googling the "Indivision ECS Configuration tool." I believe it can adjust the pixel clock to match the monitors.
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Only noise I can think of nearby is a wireless router and my partners computer, but they're plugged in on a different circuit.
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Could you try your kit in another room and without the plug board? Or try a different plugboard. If same, I'd take it along to a friends house and hook it up to his/her monitor and see how that goes. If it works at your friends, then there could be mains or RF interference at play in your house.
Have to admit, it seems unlikely, but I don't know what else to suggest.
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Well, since the config tool was no help, have you tried to contact Jens? You can email him at:
http://amiga.think42.com/email/email_e.htm
From what I hear he is a "good guy" about this stuff.
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I don't even know why I frequent this forum anymore...
so go away then?
problem solved.
I couldn't possibly justify the cost of one of these, and I've wasted a lot of money on useless crap over the years! :crazy:
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@ Paul1981 - Will try it, it's puzzling wouldn't think it would have such tight requirements. More updates tonight when I get home :-)
@ danbeaver - Amigakit are dealing with Jen's, so have left them to that.
Stay tuned, same bat channel same bat time ;-)
@ammojammo - It is an impressive bit of kit, but yeah I cringed at the price. Took me awhile to save almost thought I had missed out. And it is starting again for the ACA500/ACA1220 ;-)
Anyway doesn't take long for someone to pollute a discussion on here of late. EAB seems to be the new amiga.org. But somehow still seem to be loyal to here.
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DB.
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All good appreciate every ones input.
Anyway, different plug on the wall, different power cords, different power board, same issue :-)
The A500 is back together, lid on still does it. Go back to my s-video adapter and it's fine, a shame as it's much better picture quality with the indi (apart from the wobbling about and screen tear ;-)).
Anyway that's enough for now going to go do something else and come back to it.
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Interesting read
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=31249
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=32216
Will assume this is the fix they did but I still get the same result as before. So thinking it's still the Indivsion ECS.
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Have you tried the new ECS config tool which is available from Individual Computers web site.
If your current tool shows no indivision, then its the old version that doesnt work with the new batch of ECS Indivisions.
Interesting read
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=31249
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=32216
Will assume this is the fix they did but I still get the same result as before. So thinking it's still the Indivsion ECS.
Thats correct.
As I said its very odd, as I was seeing your issue. I then applied mod and then it was perfect.
I have done the same mod to about 10 Indivisions so far. You are the only one that has said your still having issues.
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hi, i've bought just 2 days ago my ECS indivision from a famous web site in germany (!) and it don't work: after the logo about the "great hardware", i get yellow screen (or sometimes red screen) and a600 hangs.
I've noticed a strange fix in the board, i've never seen before on the net, as in the picture attached.... the vendor said it's normal, it's a fix made from the productor, but......
Is only on mine?
Thank you!
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hi, i've bought just 2 days ago my ECS indivision from a famous web site in germany (!) and it don't work: after the logo about the "great hardware", i get yellow screen (or sometimes red screen) and a600 hangs.
I've noticed a strange fix in the board, i've never seen before on the net, as in the picture attached.... the vendor said it's normal, it's a fix made from the productor, but......
Is only on mine?
Thank you!
Thats fine, its the fix.
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Thank you, so the cause it doesn't work on my A600 is another...
i was wondering about buy another one, but it may not solve my situation....
anyway, now you are out of stock, i think....
p.s.: maybe someone want to change his ECS indivision with mine, already fixed??? ;)
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so go away then?
problem solved.
I couldn't possibly justify the cost of one of these, and I've wasted a lot of money on useless crap over the years! :crazy:
No idea who you are or why you have decidied to interject your self in this, but my going away does NOT solve the problem. It simply keeps me from having to deal with people like you, so from that point it is probably a decent solution...
I was hoping that maybe folks would stop making stupid statements about things they know nothing about and trying to bring down companies and hard working people based on their own inadequacies and selfishness..
(Silly idea I know, but there it is..)
Thank you for your opinion.. Wrong and short-sighted as it is..
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Have you tried the new ECS config tool which is available from Individual Computers web site.
Have the latest config tool it doesn't display the screen mode or show any of the settings for the monitor.
The screen does go blank and then comes back when you use the software so I assume it's seeing it.
Even the splash screen of the Indi does it when you first turn on the Amiga.
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hi, i've bought just 2 days ago my ECS indivision from a famous web site in germany (!) and it don't work: after the logo about the "great hardware", i get yellow screen (or sometimes red screen) and a600 hangs.
I've noticed a strange fix in the board, i've never seen before on the net, as in the picture attached.... the vendor said it's normal, it's a fix made from the productor, but......
Is only on mine?
Thank you!
Yours already has the fix Aotta :-)
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As a side note since the "fix" I have to have a denise in for the mouse to move, buttons still work just can't move the pointer :-)
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Yours already has the fix Aotta :-)
So, the "fix" doesn't work on all A600:
my ECS Indivision IS NOT WORKING AT ALL!!!! :flak:
Sorry for the caps, but it's four days i was testing it!!!! :mad:
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No idea who you are or why you have decidied to interject your self in this, but my going away does NOT solve the problem.
solves the problem for me?
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As a side note since the "fix" I have to have a denise in for the mouse to move, buttons still work just can't move the pointer :-)
So it's all working now?
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So it's all working now?
No? Was sent in for the fix came back the same :-) As I posted awhile back.
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So, the "fix" doesn't work on all A600:
my ECS Indivision IS NOT WORKING AT ALL!!!! :flak:
Sorry for the caps, but it's four days i was testing it!!!! :mad:
Know your pain, have an A500 to test it on?
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No? Was sent in for the fix came back the same :-) As I posted awhile back.
sounds like it came back worse? with the mouse issue.
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Know your pain, have an A500 to test it on?
No, i've only a 600... :(
that's why i'm looking for some A600 user with this new ECS indivision fixed, for checking if the fixed ones work on all A600's!
(or, more simply, the one Vesalia send me it's faulty! :angry:)
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sounds like it came back worse? with the mouse issue.
Wouldn't recommend buying from the new batch, I didn't know there was an issue. Then again for that sort of money there shouldn't be.
Back to waiting, that's the Amiga world for you though :-)
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Did you ever get a chance to test it in an other A500?
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Did you ever get a chance to test it in an other A500?
This is a 2nd motherboard, so I suppose that counts as a 2nd A500? Don't have any other Amiga's sold most of it off and focused on the A500.
Works fine using the s-video adapter.
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I say it's the Indivision ECS, same fault yet worse now since getting it back, now I have to have a Denise chip in the Indivision ECS for the mouse to be able to move.
Remove the Indivision ECS and the A500 is very stable, can't fault it. So big finger pointing back to the Indivision ECS.
Wish I bought from the first batch :-)
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I say it's the Indivision ECS, same fault yet worse now since getting it back, now I have to have a Denise chip in the Indivision ECS for the mouse to be able to move.
Remove the Indivision ECS and the A500 is very stable, can't fault it. So big finger pointing back to the Indivision ECS.
Wish I bought from the first batch :-)
You using it without denise? You have to have denise installed.
Only the A600 doesnt need denise.
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You using it without denise? You have to have denise installed.
Only the A600 doesnt need denise.
Currently has the denise installed.
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Currently has the denise installed.
So the mouse is not working, even with denise installed?
As far as I remember it needs denise for certain things on everything except the A600.
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So the mouse is not working, even with denise installed?
As far as I remember it needs denise for certain things on everything except the A600.
No as posted works fine with the denise installed.
Anyway I have purchased a standard A500 revision 6A board, just waiting for it to turn up so we'll see how that goes :-)
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Have a very wavy picture and horizontal lines running up the screen. Occasionally a pink flash.
If I connect the Amiga 500 plus back up with the s-video it's fine.
I have removed the Indivision and checked all the pins, have checked the riser card.
Have pushed it in as far as I can get it to go and appears to have no gaps, the pins are all where they are supposed to be, have installed the ground cable.
Have tried without the ECS Denise. The Amiga 500 plus is a full ECS machine so can't see any issue there.
Have stripped it down to just the motherboard and the indivsion connected and still the same thing.
Installed the Indivision config tool as I have a funny jagged missing gap at the bottom which is apparently normal on some monitors. Still same problem.
Have googled around and found one guy having the same issues and I got the impression he pushed it so hard the board bent to try and get it to work.
Not sure what else to try :-/ The most money I've spent on an Amiga LOL :-)
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A few years ago I bought the Indivision ECS and I had major troubles. I could not get the damn thing to work to save my life. My mouse wouldn't work correctly, icons were distorted and other strange things were happening. In fact I was about to sell it on ebay just to recoup back some of my money.
Solution: I realized the thing was not seated all the way. Initially I tried and tried to seat it as far as I could but the problem was still there. Finally, I said thats it!!! I lined the pins up pushed the chip hard as hell until it slid into place. Check out this thread I started a few years ago regarding the problem I was having. Hope it helps.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52706
Barney
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Same exact problem here. Push until the MB flexes, going against all that you think is right, and it finally snapped into place. All is well now.
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Don't really have the mouse problem as described in the other thread. Have horizontal thin black lines, the entire screen will flash and the picture wobbles for want of a better word.
The indi can't be pushed much further, all the pins appear to be in and the Denise is flush with the top of the indi, well as far as it can go in.
So looks like a clash between the Amiga 500 plus and the Indivision ECS. So waiting for Jen's and Amigakit to sort out whats happening there.
In the meantime the Rev 6A board I thought I had bought fell through so going to have a nose on ebay/amibay.
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Well after a long wait (like most things in Amiga land) I received a 6a board.
Installed the board, the splash screen is still shaky so was worried. However once into workbench it shaked but almost unnoticeable. 99% good on the picture.
1) Don't buy an Indivision ECS from the new batch if your have an Amiga 500 plus/+
2) A non plus Amiga 500 is not going to work with WHDLoad, nowhere near the 1MB available chip RAM to play any games.
3) Still waiting on an Amiga 500 plus fix.
4) The indivision ECS still doesn't give you a 100% good picture. But is a step up from what I had previous with a svideo to vga adapter.
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1) Don't buy an Indivision ECS from the new batch if your have an Amiga 500 plus/+
don't buy it if you have an Amiga 600 too.... my new Indi is under checking at Vesalia since 3 week ago!!!!
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http://youtu.be/0m1cxu-C1gA?hd=1
A little hard to see the jelly (jello) wobbly screen and the entire screen flashing green really quickly.
Can see the lines and flicking and tearing :-)
Just got my Indivision ECS from Amigakit and I can see very similar artifacts. I installed it on a A500 rev8 board, no other extensions.
I read in other forums that is could be related to the PSU - I use the original PSU. Would it be a good idea to try a different one? (will require taking apart the current one + soldering from a PC PSU, so I am not really looking forward to it :) ).
Any hope for a fix?
Thanks!
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Just got my Indivision ECS from Amigakit and I can see very similar artifacts. I installed it on a A500 rev8 board, no other extensions.
Would check with Amigakit, it may need another fix done to it if it's a A500plus/Rev8 board. My indi is back with them at the moment hopefully getting the second fix done.
:-)
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I opened a ticket -- it seems mine is missing the second fix as well (bad luck apparently, it was supposed to be done). Let's hope it will work - I am looking forward to the perfect picture :)
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Let me know how you get on, I'm getting indi with drawl symptoms LOL
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Woot, My indi showed up a couple of days ago. Have been testing it hard out and man it's sexy. Crisp, the Amiga has never looked so good.
Chris at Amigakit is amazing, genious give that man a pay raise as he also fixed my accelerator card, rebuilt the pins.
I will be buying more stuff for sure through them.
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2) A non plus Amiga 500 is not going to work with WHDLoad, nowhere near the 1MB available chip RAM to play any games.
please explain? I have 1 meg chip, 8meg "fast" and 512k of super fast ram in my Amiga 500?
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please explain? I have 1 meg chip, 8meg "fast" and 512k of super fast ram in my Amiga 500?
On the standard A500 I get 1 MB chip RAM, most of the WHDLoad games I try and run wont and state not enough chip RAM to run.
But on the A500 plus it has 2MB chip RAM and I don't get that error and workbench is snappier too :-)
Man need to stop posting on here, should be working LOL
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Woot, My indi showed up a couple of days ago. Have been testing it hard out and man it's sexy. Crisp, the Amiga has never looked so good.
Chris at Amigakit is amazing, genious give that man a pay raise as he also fixed my accelerator card, rebuilt the pins.
I will be buying more stuff for sure through them.
I am so jealous!!! :angry:
My A604 and ECS Indi, Dead On Arrival, are returned to Vesalia on 1st september, replaced with working ones "weeks ago" (as mailed me from individual computers) and i'm still waiting for Vesalia shipping me them!!! :furious:
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I got a used one on ebay which works well. Sure not a crisp picture as the indi aga mk2 for the 4000d on dvi, but hey it works. The one i ordered from amigakit cam with a broken pin, exchanged that by them sending a new socket after a few messages to and fro. But: the indi ecs from amigakit which seems to have been reworked apparently needs a second rework.... will return it as soon as as i have time.....120 bucks is too much for a product producing artefacts (horizontal short strips) flickering on screen.....
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I am so jealous!!! :angry:
My A604 and ECS Indi, Dead On Arrival, are returned to Vesalia on 1st september, replaced with working ones "weeks ago" (as mailed me from individual computers) and i'm still waiting for Vesalia shipping me them!!! :furious:
Wow that does suck, hang in there. Mine took two trips and two fixes and a couple of months to get it working right.
Can you get Vesalia to credit you and then buy through Amigakit?
I got a used one on ebay which works well. Sure not a crisp picture as the indi aga mk2 for the 4000d on dvi, but hey it works. The one i ordered from amigakit cam with a broken pin, exchanged that by them sending a new socket after a few messages to and fro. But: the indi ecs from amigakit which seems to have been reworked apparently needs a second rework.... will return it as soon as as i have time.....120 bucks is too much for a product producing artefacts (horizontal short strips) flickering on screen.....
Can't fault the one I have now, had two different fixes applied. First one was meant to fix the artifacts and green/flickering screen but never did. However it was fine on a V6 A500 and my machine is a A500 Plus.
The second fix that Amigakit and Jens came up with was the winner. Really sharp picture, games look amazing too colours are brighter than I've seen on an Amiga before.
Will have to post some pictures :-)
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Can you get Vesalia to credit you and then buy through Amigakit?
Since i return my A604 and ECS for "repairing or replacing", i didn't sent back the whole packages content (the cable and the support for the 2° clock port), so Vesalia said he couldn't refund me...
Looking at the time passed, i could take the missing parts from italy to germany on foot!!! :biglaugh:
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Since i return my A604 and ECS for "repairing or replacing", i didn't sent back the whole packages content (the cable and the support for the 2° clock port), so Vesalia said he couldn't refund me...
Looking at the time passed, i could take the missing parts from italy to germany on foot!!! :biglaugh:
Finally i can update you about my case: yesterday, after 5 months, Vesalia give me back my ECS Indivision and A604! I've not yet tested them, but i'm so happy.... :D
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Finally i can update you about my case: yesterday, after 5 months, Vesalia give me back my ECS Indivision and A604! I've not yet tested them, but i'm so happy.... :D
Wow 5 months, one thing I've learnt about the Amiga world is things take time :-(
Go try it out!!! :-D