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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Markus_Bieler on June 01, 2012, 08:53:56 PM
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Let's hope. One for me :D
A1k.org (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32249)
Sorry for german, but google translat isn't bad at all
Markus
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It's been posted to his Facebook page, so we should know soon.
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It seems to be true. But I think you have to take the whole bunch of 1500x. AND perhaps it wasn't ment to be public on FB. It was directed to the owner of the "Amiga Future" magazine.
Markus
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It's been posted to his Facebook page, so we should know soon.
Have a link to that? I couldn't find him in search.
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It seems to be true. But I think you have to take the whole bunch of 1500x. AND perhaps it wasn't ment to be public on FB. It was directed to the owner of the "Amiga Future" magazine.
Markus
That's who posted the news bit on his page. :)
LINK:
http://www.facebook.com/ptyschtschenko
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That's who posted the news bit on his page. :)
LINK:
http://www.facebook.com/ptyschtschenko
Have to be his friend to view his Facebook page, and the other link just takes ya to a German login page.
Copy & paste for us luddites, please? ;-) Are you saying there's 1,500 Amiga 1200's floating around somewhere, that he's going to get his hands on?
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other link just takes ya to a German login page.
I'm sory, I wasn't aware, that this part of the other forum was only for members. For me the link works :D :D
Are you saying there's 1,500 Amiga 1200's floating around somewhere
Not somewhere, they in India probably.
that he's going to get his hands on?
That he once shipped overthere :D
At least it seems that in one hour over 30x A1200 would have been sold in the other forum (two for me :D)
Markus (aka Ché at a1k.org)
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Commodore or escom ???
neeedddd oneeee !!!! :angel:
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At least it seems that in one hour over 30x A1200 would have been sold in the other forum (two for me :D)
Markus (aka Ché at a1k.org)
How much are they selling for?
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I remeber one amiga show in St Louis that Petro had with him a business partner in India daughter with him. There were news stories about Amiga Tech selling A1200s in India. I'm sure this is a valid possibility. Great news!
can we have a working link please? (I'm not on CIABOOK either)
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@thread
Are these the Amiga A1200 manufactured by Amiga Technologies supplied in original 'Magic Pack' Box (Kickstart 3.1 ROMs)?
#6
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How much are they selling for?
AFAIK
- no price but I would pay up to EUR 150.-- = $180.-- for NOS
- noone realy knows where they are, nor how much they cost, neither if packed or bulkware
- AND you have to take the whole lot (1500 +/-) and thats a Container or two, not a small package
It is a very hot iron. One can easaly burn the fingers. What if you only sell 1300, leaving 200 still in the (rented) storage.
(about 45 would have been sold for now, that leaves about 1455 still on stock)
Markus
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@thread
Are these the Amiga A1200 manufactured by Amiga Technologies supplied in original 'Magic Pack' Box (Kickstart 3.1 ROMs)?
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I'm sure that would be the spec. If you look into the old amiga mags you can see info on India and the magic packs iirc
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I'm sure that would be the spec. If you look into the old amiga mags you can see info on India and the magic packs iirc
Looking at the "Stock expected" and "TBA"...
wonder if there's any connection? (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=668)
Or is there more of this stock floating around?
#6
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I'm friends with Petro on Facebook, just looked at his wall now and cannot see any mention of anything like this.
Also the first link just takes me to a German log-in page.
I'd have to see some more proof before believing this to be true. I find it unlikely they'd have been sitting around for almost 20 years?
That said I wouldn't mind getting hold of an A1500 if it does turn out to be true.
Cut & paste the original post for us non-a1.org members anyone?
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He just messaged me on my wall. He offered me one for 150 Euro...
Yep, I'd say it be true! :)
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Ohboyohboyohboy !
Now we need a proper online order form.
Go Petro !
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Ohboyohboyohboy !
Now we need a proper online order form.
Go Petro !
He's sorting things out right now. You should hear official word before long.
Needless to say, I'm going to raise money to get one...
Signed no less. :)
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Interesting and kind of cool news, but 150euro seems a little steep in my opinion, unless there's a warranty involved.
To each his own though and nice to have some more classic amigas in circulation.
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He's sorting things out right now. You should hear official word before long.
Needless to say, I'm going to raise money to get one...
Signed no less. :)
As much as I grumble about having no discretionary money, I'm pretty sure I can dig up the buck to snag a NOS 1200. I don't suppose 1500 will go too very quickly, though I wouldn't want to chance that at a good price.
I wonder how the caps will be after all this time.
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Interesting and kind of cool news, but 150euro seems a little steep in my opinion, unless there's a warranty involved.
To each his own though and nice to have some more classic amigas in circulation.
From what I understand, these are the old Magic Packs. Box, software and all.
That and having it signed would make it worth while to me. I'll end up storing it in a plastic tote as a collector's item.
Now to raise the cash. Joblessness sucks!
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150E is a bargain. Good condition A1200s go for more on ebay. And these are NOS.
Still.. I would like them to go on sale through AmigaKit so they can test each and every one. It would really suck to buy one of those Amigas straight from the container and realize it's not working. I would pay 20E more for that kind of reassurance.
EDIT:
What is there in a Magic Pack ?
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http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amigamagic.html
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Any more info on where these machines comes from?
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http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amigamagic.html
Whoa, that's some serious software.
Well my money is ready...
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Any more info on where these machines comes from?
From my understanding of Petro's English...
They are coming from a buyer that Petro had sold to back in the day when he was president.
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Probably the indian connection. Amiga tech. Sold some equipement to India in their last years. Less than a year ago, i talked to an Indian reseller that still stocked NOS amiga equipement.
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Something else besides the Magic Packs ?
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Something else besides the Magic Packs ?
There might also be some CD32s. I remember ther was a massive sale/stock dissapearance when CBM went bust.
I heard of numbers of about 15000 units, but then it could have been just nonsense gossip.
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There might also be some CD32s. I remember ther was a massive sale/stock dissapearance when CBM went bust.
I heard of numbers of about 15000 units, but then it could have been just nonsense gossip.
1,500 is the number Petro quoted to me.
EDIT: 1,500 units, not 15,000.
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Holy crap. We'll be knee deep in Amigas.
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If it is 15,000 units, then that would actually be bad for the seller. It would saturate the remaining small market there is and drive prices down. 15,000 units would probably be equal to the amount of total dedicated Amiga users left in the world, perhaps.
It is be kind of neat to think that there might be 15,000 brand spankin' new Amigas sitting somewhere, though!
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Sorry guys, my mistake. I double check his message to me.
It was 1,500 units, not 15,000 units.
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Sorry guys, my mistake. I double check his message to me.
It was 1,500 units, not 15,000 units.
That seems more realistic. I thought there might be an extra zero in there! Could you even fit 15,000 boxed Amigas in a single warehouse?
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Hmmn just wondered if this could be related to the warehouse worth of A1200s that were rumoured to have gone missing during the Escom/Gateway handover?
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/76089
I remember Bill Mcewen trying to track them down for a few years back in the early 00s.
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I want one... no wait... I want two! :-)
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I hope he sells only 1-2 per person giving people enough time to gather up the money a chance, otherwise
the greedy profiteers on eBay will be hoarding them by the crate load and selling them at 5 times the price.
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Akiko
Thats probably a good idea. But the man is a business man so I'm sure he wants to dump them fast. Who the heck wants to process 1500 seperate orders?
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Crap, guess that means the value of my A1200 just went down.
I wonder what condition they have been stored in. Also, I think we are talking a few shipping containers full.
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I wonder about the condition they've been kept in, and whether there might be any faulty electronics after sitting in a box for 20 years.
Anyone has experience there?
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wow! thats like 1500 MFLOPS if you fire all those bad boys up at once.
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I wonder about the condition they've been kept in, and whether there might be any faulty electronics after sitting in a box for 20 years.
Anyone has experience there?
I bought a NOS CD32 that turned out to be in excellent physical condition... but yeah.. it never worked very well. But I have read that NTSC CD32s has all sorts of issues even when new.
With a 1200 as long as the KB and case are nice, you could get the MB reworked with new caps and such.
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I bought a NOS CD32 that turned out to be in excellent physical condition... but yeah.. it never worked very well. But I have read that NTSC CD32s has all sorts of issues even when new.
With a 1200 as long as the KB and case are nice, you could get the MB reworked with new caps and such.
Yeah. The NOS CD-32 I bought about six years ago has a flakey CD drive, and I recall the same thing as you about the drives. Spectacular condition otherwise. I'd like to think that someone like Amigakit or Vesala (I'm not sure who's active in Amiga stuff these days) might be able to pick up some of these units and provide optional testing.
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Yeah. The NOS CD-32 I bought about six years ago has a flakey CD drive, and I recall the same thing as you about the drives. Spectacular condition otherwise. I'd like to think that someone like Amigakit or Vesala (I'm not sure who's active in Amiga stuff these days) might be able to pick up some of these units and provide optional testing.
i think the drive works ok, just the machine only worked for 20 minutes before it would not run anything and just start crashing or guru... last time i tried to boot it up it did nothing at all...
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I hope they are in good working condition. I'd love a new a1200.
Everyone getting this excited about this just shows that someone really should make a new classic amiga from fpga arcade or netami. People would but it, especially if it was reasonably priced.
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I would probably buy one for 150€ if it is PAL machines. Not interested in NTSC crap.
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It's great with NOS 1200's - but why all that excitement. Amigakit has been selling NOS A1200's until 2010......
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Yes, but that was, as you said, until 2010. Some of us did not manage to snag one of those. Also some Amigas have died during this time. This new batch is worth even if only as spare parts. But they also mean 1,500 sparkly, shiny white untouched cases. No drill holes, no cracks, all screws present.
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Not interested in NTSC crap.
Isn't the difference basically grounding one pin on Alice and the PSU?
(And lets face it, the A1200 PSU is the worst of them anyway..)
desiv
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I would probably buy one for 150€ if it is PAL machines. Not interested in NTSC crap.
You can keep that PAL crap.:juggler:
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Hehe sorry but most Amiga games and demos are made for PAL afaik.
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Isn't the difference basically grounding one pin on Alice and the PSU?
(And lets face it, the A1200 PSU is the worst of them anyway..)
desiv
Not only that, but the main xtal clock and the RF/composite modulator are totally differently "tuned".
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Gulliver is right, if you compare a real PAL machine between an NTSC one in PAL mode, the faster oscillator noticeably affects games and demos.
I'd take 2 PAL units. After dealing with the big expanded machines and all the headaches over the last years, I really lost a lot of interest. (Like WHDLoad on '060's - most games ruined with access faults halfway through.) A NOS PAL A1200 with a Blizz 1230, MK2 Indi and 3.1 sounds just about perfect!
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I only keep a couple NTSC machines around to work with my NTSC DCTV, Super Gen +, and Chroma Key.
My other two machines are PAL, most def! :)
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Gulliver is right, if you compare a real PAL machine between an NTSC one in PAL mode, the faster oscillator noticeably affects games and demos.
Interesting.. How so?
Do the PAL games run faster or slower on an NTSC machine? Other issues?
I haven't noticed it, but I don't have a true PAL machine to compare it to..
I just tell WHDload to go into PAL and they seem to run fine.
(Again, not having a real PAL machine to compare them to)
And using a 1084S, I don't worry about composite or RF issues.
desiv
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Sad thing is, even if this is true, we are not very likely to see any here in the U.S.. 1500 will never make it out of Europe... Ya think?
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Interesting find. Seem to recall rumours of hardware going missing under Petro's watch. 14 years later Petro has 1500@ 150 euro = 225,000 euro's worth of Amiga hardware to sell out of the blue. Possibly the most sales of any single Amiga re-seller or developer in the past decade.
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I wonder how the caps will be after all this time.
That's the first thing that came to mind when reading this. Largely depends on the manufacturer I guess.
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Interesting find. Seem to recall rumours of hardware going missing under Petro's watch. 14 years later Petro has 1500@ 150 euro = 225,000 euro's worth of Amiga hardware to sell out of the blue. Possibly the most sales of any single Amiga re-seller or developer in the past decade.
Yea fascinating.. Can one of his facebook chums poke him, and ask if he has also found a secret stash of NOS A4000T's? :)
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Is this legit?
Is it morally ok to hide some Amigas when a company is dying then later sell them.
Either way I want one haha
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Is this legit?
Is it morally ok to hide some Amigas when a company is dying then later sell them.
Either way I want one haha
At this point the damage is already done, if any was done at all. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and doing so leads me to several conclusions, one being that if the company was heading down-hill at the time the 1200s in question may have had a sealed fate. The reality is that few people know exactly what really happen, and I will likely never be one of them.
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Interesting find. Seem to recall rumours of hardware going missing under Petro's watch. 14 years later Petro has 1500@ 150 euro = 225,000 euro's worth of Amiga hardware to sell out of the blue. Possibly the most sales of any single Amiga re-seller or developer in the past decade.
hmm who ever originally purchased the stock must be making a big loss... back in the day new a1200 surely would have costed more than 150 Euro to purchase wholesale? unless Saint Petro did the biggest accounting mistake on purpose.. freeebie!!
Hope its true and not the Vodka talking... :O
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Even if these were real i'm not sure they are an investment. Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy an FPGA Arcade from MikeyJ? Also faster!
Personally i think we should all ignore these new 1200's and support the FPGA instead. When the Amiga community finally releases new hardware we turn our backs on it?
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I'm friends with Petro on Facebook, just looked at his wall now and cannot see any mention of anything like this.
Also the first link just takes me to a German log-in page.
I'd have to see some more proof before believing this to be true. I find it unlikely they'd have been sitting around for almost 20 years?
That said I wouldn't mind getting hold of an A1500 if it does turn out to be true.
Cut & paste the original post for us non-a1.org members anyone?
Petro dont write this on his own FB-Page. He write it on my FB-Page. And yes, its true
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Is it morally ok to hide some Amigas when a company is dying then later sell them.
If he'd stolen them and hidden them in his garage then yeah, however I suspect there is a more complex story behind them.
You'd be suprised what is sitting forgotten in warehouses around the world.
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Interesting find. Seem to recall rumours of hardware going missing under Petro's watch. 14 years later Petro has 1500@ 150 euro = 225,000 euro's worth of Amiga hardware to sell out of the blue. Possibly the most sales of any single Amiga re-seller or developer in the past decade.
Is this legit? Is it morally ok to hide some Amigas when a company is dying then later sell them.
I think it's interesting when people tries to argue from a moral high ground point based on loose accusations, very similar to propaganda, coming from those very people responsible for assigning the Amiga brand the to lies, scams, deceit and general foul play (yes, that's the "Amiga brand values" today, thanks to Amiga Inc, Hyperion and Eyetech, and their likes).
And no, Petro obviously didn't keep "a hidden stash of Amigas", he sold them to some Indian entity towards the end of "Amiga Technologies", and now it seems like a great deal of them never came to use and remain unsold by that Indian entity, and now Petro has contacted that old customer and put an offer on those machines that clearly *never* will be sold by that Indian company in 2012 (meaning: from that Indian entity's point of view, that worthless pile of junk occupying floor space in some warehouse suddenly got a small value).
hmm who ever originally purchased the stock must be making a big loss... back in the day new a1200 surely would have costed more than 150 Euro to purchase wholesale? unless Saint Petro did the biggest accounting mistake on purpose.. freeebie!!
Today, these Amigas has *zero* value to anyone else but you people reading this thread (Amiga classic enthusiasts). They are utterly *unsalable* to anyone else but you, but to you they have some value! It seems to me that Petro is simply acting as a middle-man, a reseller, using both his connections to the Amiga community as well as his connection to that old Indian customer, and he is probably doing a nice little profit by connecting the dots in between. As long as you (the customers), the Indian entity (the seller) and Petro himself (the middle-man) are happy about this arrangement, then *everyone* will be winners in this arrangement!
:)
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150E is a bargain. Good condition A1200s go for more on ebay. And these are NOS.
Still.. I would like them to go on sale through AmigaKit
If AmigaKit would be interested, I guess there is nothing stopping him from putting up an offer to Petro for a couple of hundred units. I'm sure price is negotiable at volume.
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Even if these were real i'm not sure they are an investment. Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy an FPGA Arcade from MikeyJ? Also faster!
But then AmigaForever from Cloanto would be *even cheaper* and *even faster*!
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Ithe to lies, scams, deceit and general foul play (yes, that's the "Amiga brand values" today, thanks to Amiga Inc, Hyperion and Eyetech, and their likes).
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isn't that the very reason we should ask things?
haven't we been ****ed over enough times?
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Wow! I'd like one of these myself :)
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isn't that the very reason we should ask things?
haven't we been ****ed over enough times?
By Petro? Really?
Wasn't his reign *before* all the Amiga Inc / Eyetech / Hyperion crap begun?
*Petro made* these Amigas, it's his doing that they exists in the first place! In my book, this is defines him.
:)
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Hm Amiga Technologies A1200s.. didn't they have some issues with the disk drives or something? Ok these days no one uses disks anymore.. anyway, I'm glad my C= A1200 is still working after ~20 years :)
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I think it's interesting when people tries to argue from a moral high ground point based on loose accusations, very similar to propaganda, coming from those very people responsible for assigning the Amiga brand the to lies, scams, deceit and general foul play (yes, that's the "Amiga brand values" today, thanks to Amiga Inc, Hyperion and Eyetech, and their likes).
And no, Petro obviously didn't keep "a hidden stash of Amigas", he sold them to some Indian entity towards the end of "Amiga Technologies", and now it seems like a great deal of them never came to use and remain unsold by that Indian entity, and now Petro has contacted that old customer and put an offer on those machines that clearly *never* will be sold by that Indian company in 2012 (meaning: from that Indian entity's point of view, that worthless pile of junk occupying floor space in some warehouse suddenly got a small value).
Do you know all of this for a fact or is it just your opinion.
Today, these Amigas has *zero* value to anyone else but you people reading this thread (Amiga classic enthusiasts). They are utterly *unsalable* to anyone else but you, but to you they have some value! It seems to me that Petro is simply acting as a middle-man, a reseller, using both his connections to the Amiga community as well as his connection to that old Indian customer, and he is probably doing a nice little profit by connecting the dots in between. As long as you (the customers), the Indian entity (the seller) and Petro himself (the middle-man) are happy about this arrangement, then *everyone* will be winners in this arrangement!
:)
Yes and we could connect the dots in a different way and end up with a totally different conclusion.
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Yes and we could connect the dots in a different way and end up with a totally different conclusion.
One of my conclusions is that Petro is a time-traveler. How many immaterial speculative conclusions can we conjure up for this scenario?
@Kesa, I fail to see how wanting to buy a NOS A1200 is equivalent to turning our backs on FPGA. Will the appearance of 1500 A1200s suddenly kill the FPGA market? Film at 11...
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A1200s are far from unsaleable - there's a lot of people wanting them still and happy to pay good money. I don't know about elsewhere but here in the UK you can pay £50 for a tatty A1200. A brand new bundled one would fetch £150 without breaking a sweat. I'm tempted to buy some myself for my shop, if Petro can do bulk purchases cheap enough.
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A1200s are far from unsaleable - there's a lot of people wanting them still and happy to pay good money.
I doubt there are 1500 people waiting with good money. Which causes a bit of a problem. The people who have them will want to shift them in one go, but if they sell to multiple vendors then competition will make it hard to make a profit on them. If one company buys them then they still have to be competitive with the price or few people will buy them.
I don't know anybody in real life that would buy one.
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And no, Petro obviously didn't keep "a hidden stash of Amigas", he sold them to some Indian entity towards the end of "Amiga Technologies", and now it seems like a great deal of them never came to use and remain unsold by that Indian entity, and now Petro has contacted that old customer and put an offer on those machines that clearly *never* will be sold by that Indian company in 2012 (meaning: from that Indian entity's point of view, that worthless pile of junk occupying floor space in some warehouse suddenly got a small value).
:)
Bill McEwen was certainly claiming that a warehouse worth of Amigas went missing when they took over Amiga Inc back in 2000ish. I remember him saying at Amiwest 01 that inventory had been stolen, they knew who it was and "we're coming to get you".
Basically Bill went to Germany to inspect the inventory that they had bought. But when he got there the warehouses were empty. Apparently Amiga have a good idea where all the stuff went, but would appear powerless to get it back.
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/76092
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1027828288&category=news#message21
Bill was also on the hunt for copies of invoices from Amiga dealers from the Amiga Technologies era:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46958
On another note, we have had a very strange request about sales that
occurred from 1996 through 2000 regarding Amiga computers. Now I understand based on the documentation that we have here that the machines were purchased primarily from Petro at Amiga International.
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1062268363&category=forum
There were also tales of former Commodore plants in the Philippines continuing to produce Amigas well after CBM went under, reports from witnesses say the lights were on and Amigas were still being produced in November 1994, authorised by the Philippines government to try and claw back money owed from CBM under supervision from soldiers!
From November 1994:
http://mobile.google.com/group/comp.sys.amiga.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/44ab8e845fc57b1c/7a662a118332f6a3?#7a662a118332f6a3
Yes... a friend of mine has relatives that went to the plant
THIS WEEK and reported:
"The lights are on; they are building computer."
He also stated that they are white colored. We suspected that they
were building A4000's, because people have A4000's with manufacture\
dates after the liquidation, but European suppliers who are receiving
these machines say they are all or mostly PAL A1200's.
Those soldiers have been overseeing production of A1200's for
weeks now. The government is building the machines and keeping the money
for themselves.
This was verified by someone who drove 1 hour to the plant
and saw it with his own eyes. This has been proven by people receiving
machines dated over the past few weeks. They are mostly PAL A1200's.
I thpought that some were A4000's or A4000T's, but later was told that
none of them are.
So there are definitely tales and folklore of missing and black market Amigas, and Bill McEwen certainly was on the hunt for some around a decade ago.
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There were also tales of former Commodore plants in the Philippines continuing to produce Amigas well after CBM went under, reports from witnesses say the lights were on and Amigas were still being produced in November 1994, authorised by the Philippines government to try and claw back money owed from CBM under supervision from soldiers!
So, since they were owed money from Commodore, who was now out of business...
They decided to best way to get money was to build more machines that Commodore would never be able to buy?
I'm not a business savvy person, but I'm not sure that would be a good idea... :laugh1:
desiv
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So, since they were owed money from Commodore, who was now out of business...
They decided to best way to get money was to build more machines that Commodore would never be able to buy?
I'm not a business savvy person, but I'm not sure that would be a good idea... :laugh1:
desiv
Presumably from the left over inventory in the factory, I don't think they were selling them to Commodore, they were being sold on the black market to business/customers in Europe from reports.
Apparently there were A1200s/4000s with manufacture dates after April '94 when CBM went under, so this would verify that.
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A1200s are far from unsaleable - there's a lot of people wanting them still and happy to pay good money.
Pretty much exactly what I said above, right? ;)
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Bill McEwen was certainly claiming
Which was exactly my point... ;)
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Which was exactly my point... ;)
It does make me hope it is true though, the look on Bill and Fleecy's faces arriving in Germany to an empty warehouse and Petro laughing off into the sunset with a truck full of A1200s, fills me with joy :D
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This is the kind of talk that makes me question why I associate with Amigans. Why is it hate first and foremost every time?
Seriously, people believe that this was some grand get rich quick scheme all along? Store a hoard of stolen Amigas (next to worthless in the market at the time) and expect there to be a market for them in 17 years?
The most obvious reason these became available:
A large sale was made to a new market.
The market flopped when Amiga went under and the computers became almost worthless.
Petro inquired as to what ever happened to them or it came up in conversation.
Owner wants to get some of his lost investment back instead of paying to store them.
End of story.
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This is the kind of talk that makes me question why I associate with Amigans. Why is it hate first and foremost every time?
Seriously, people believe that this was some grand get rich quick scheme all along? Store a hoard of stolen Amigas (next to worthless in the market at the time) and expect there to be a market for them in 17 years?
The most obvious reason these became available:
A large sale was made to a new market.
The market flopped when Amiga went under and the computers became almost worthless.
Petro inquired as to what ever happened to them or it came up in conversation.
Owner wants to get some of his lost investment back instead of paying to store them.
End of story.
There's no hate from me at all, just does seem a coincidence that people were claiming a warehouse of Amigas went missing back then and now suddenly 1500 have turned up.
No skin off my nose if it's true or not, in fact it's quite pleasing if it is true, would mean at least McEwen got some comeuppance for years of conning everyone else.
It's more an interesting/historical discussion rather than finger pointing and accusation. The two stories are going to draw comparisons.
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The most obvious reason these became available:
A large sale was made to a new market.
The market flopped when Amiga went under and the computers became almost worthless.
Petro inquired as to what ever happened to them or it came up in conversation.
Owner wants to get some of his lost investment back instead of paying to store them.
End of story.
True. This sequence of events is the most likely one.
Buuuuut...
I like danwood's "truck & sunset" version better, so I'm gonna go with that one and imagine it all happened that way :laugh1:
And no hatin' here. I'm quite pleased it happened that way.
Anywayz, I love ghost stories, and feel mighty proud today just for being a part of this.
Go Petro !
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A1200s are far from unsaleable - there's a lot of people wanting them still and happy to pay good money. I don't know about elsewhere but here in the UK you can pay £50 for a tatty A1200. A brand new bundled one would fetch £150 without breaking a sweat. I'm tempted to buy some myself for my shop, if Petro can do bulk purchases cheap enough.
I wouldn't say no to some NOS A1200 to replace the four I have now while I send them off to be re-capped :D
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I hope the folks who buy them love them but I do wonder what condition they'll be in after having been shipped from the Philippines to India to God knows where else over the course of the last twenty years.
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So many conspiracy theories, so little time...
Let's keep it simple. Bolton Peck:
What happened is that Bill didn't do his due diligence well enough before he bought into Amiga. Petro had a 'sweetheart deal' with the Germans and in fact was contractually prevented from being fired by Amiga-they couldn't get rid of him. Petro was a very smart guy. He also was the exclusive recipient of OS 3.9 revenues, not Amiga, and this was also unknown to Bill when he signed on, and he found out later to his dismay
Petro didn't like American Amiga companies much (can you blame him?) so he pretty much did what he could to stick it to them. See the 060 deal, where he subsidized Phase5, selling them 060 CPUs for two hundred bucks less per chip than American companies, such as DKB, could get them. Suddenly, Phase5 060 boards were much cheaper than the Wildfire! Ask any American Amiga retailer, of which I was briefly one, and they'll tell you about how Petro sold European companies A1200s for literally hundreds less per unit than American companies could get them-sometimes American vendors would buy them from Euro vendors as it was still cheaper than getting them direct. Thanks, Petro!
At least you could get Petro drunk and he'd give you Amiga stuff like tie clips, lighters, etc. Petro was more fun to party with..
Anyway, yes, Petro did kinda stick it to Amiga and it was a bad deal for them. Sales of Amiga hardware were subsidizing things like paychecks. I don't know if Bill really could have known all this when he signed on, as in, it might have been very difficult for him to find it all out, and Petro took major advantage of that fact.
This was the followup inside explanation that followed Bill McEwen's statements concerning the issue on this very site in his answer to the 25 questions. Bill had stated:
Think of my surprise when I learned that all of our inventory was sold for $75,000.00 to a company in India, when we were generating more than that on a monthly basis. This created a big operational hole for the company and caused us great harm in our ability to move forward. This hardware was not even put up for bid or auction, and nobody was consulted in the process.
If you choose to believe Bolton Peck's account, then Bill's response is easily dismissed as "the usual".
sources (http://web.archive.org/web/20080307073335/http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6955)
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Even if these were real i'm not sure they are an investment. Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy an FPGA Arcade from MikeyJ? Also faster!
Personally i think we should all ignore these new 1200's and support the FPGA instead. When the Amiga community finally releases new hardware we turn our backs on it?
Why can't we have both :)
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Saw a number of requests here for the original text.
I see Franko supplied
a link (http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/My%20Misc%20Pics/Petro01.jpg)
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I take 10 ! :-D
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Maybe he's just using a 3D printer...
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Maybe he's just using a 3D printer...
I wish I had a printer that could print out fully working Amigas. How awesome would that be?
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when would these be available?
does anyone have a likely timeframe?
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Maybe he's just using a 3D printer...
come on persia, tell us the truth ... are you the Grinch?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gk82lD5wDug/TrVWAhoiEpI/AAAAAAAAAI4/DndrJTRFEC0/s320/grinch.jpg)
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Oh dear, the missus is going be very upset about this! :D
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Any news?
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Come on Petro, we need some news :)
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I'd like a couple, if there are enough that is. This is really exciting, lets hope for some more news soon...
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I'd love one too! :cool:
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I hope they are in good working condition. I'd love a new a1200.
Everyone getting this excited about this just shows that someone really should make a new classic amiga from fpga arcade or netami. People would but it, especially if it was reasonably priced.
The case and bespoke keyboard re-manufacture alone >£150 for small runs.
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I'd love one too! :cool:
Me too! :razz:
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There were also tales of former Commodore plants in the Philippines continuing to produce Amigas well after CBM went under, reports from witnesses say the lights were on and Amigas were still being produced in November 1994, authorised by the Philippines government to try and claw back money owed from CBM under supervision from soldiers!
While interesting, these would be CBM Amigas and not AT Amigas.
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What is interesting is the price of used A1200 accelerator cards will go up if 1500 chipram only A1200s are sold.
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What is interesting is the price of used A1200 accelerator cards will go up if 1500 chipram only A1200s are sold.
It depends on whether there will be 1500 new users, or whether 1500 people buy one to refresh their key caps and case.
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Just 1000 new AGA owners and 1000 new Amiga owners wanting even just to add fast ram to remove the 50% drop in speed using only chip ram will have a serious effect prices on the few used accelerators left out there.
Jens should seriously think about producing 28mhz 8mb 020 cards, 030 is no faster anyway.
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AmigaKit have updated their home page and added the 1200 for £104.13 with a delivery time of TBA:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=40_85&products_id=305
They also have a stack of Config options to go with it (It's definitely a different page to the old 1200 Magic Pack item).
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Those are refurbs.
Am I missing something?
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Those are refurbs.
Am I missing something?
Ah good point, I missed that. :o
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Jens should seriously think about producing 28mhz 8mb 020 cards, 030 is no faster anyway.
Why do you think that?
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Not refurbs at this link http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=668 - says quite clearly New Old Stock.
Anyways, I think I'll have to buy a couple if I can...
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I don't think either of those two AmigaKit A1200 offerings have changed in months. Both have been T.B.A for quite some time.
And for anyone wondering, their refurbed A1200's when they did have them were extremely high quality and looked borderline mint/new.
Hopefully they are able to source some from Petro as I think they would be the best way to obtain these units. I would rather buy one from Amigakit with some markup in them then deal with Petro directly. Nothing against Petro, just from a business standpoint with regards to warranty and shipping issues its easier to deal with a business.
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I would buy the WHOLE stock easily...
... but from my calculations, you would need 2x 40' container to transport 1500 Amigas in Magic Pack, and that is with very optimized loading, so it may not be trivial to store.