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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Damion on May 05, 2012, 08:27:53 PM
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DCE Cyberstorm PPC 604/233 - 060/50
Selling on behalf of a good friend.
This card booted and ran somewhat in my A3000, but is very flaky. Quake might run for an hour, or the card will crash within a few minutes of just dinking around in WB. It often fails the PPC test disk. SCSI is recognized and works, and the PPC works somewhat as I did manage to play MP3's with it. There is only 96MB of RAM present due to the installation of oscillator sockets. Physical condition is excellent, and the card is very clean.
I suspect the usual case of poor soldering of the 68K socket. Sometimes, soldering underneath the PPC fails too, which requires good equipment and technical expertise to successfully repair.
Price is $625.00 US, PayPal gift, and includes worldwide shipping.
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Hmmm.. I wish I had the dough for this :(.
Rich
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My thoughts exactly ! :)
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Hmmm.. I wish I had the dough for this :(.
Why is that? A G3 AmigaOne even is a lot faster and includes a full computer. So why all all these CyberStorms still so sought after?
Is it because they plug into a real Amiga? That's the only benefit I can see. To me it looks like people are after an Amiga PPC machine that has AGA and can run old PPC games and iFusion on the Workbench. Apart from that it's not worth doing much else.
Sure you could run OS4 but it's limited, has bugs and doesn't replace OS3.9. And if you want to run MOS you can get a Mac now.
I want to kmow why newer machines like the A1 that run at almost ten times the clock speed as a full compuiter are worth nothing compared to an older card running almost ten times slower that needs to be plugged into an actual computer with expensive support cards. Huh. :huh:
Even in the Amiga world this doesn't make sense! If the AmigaOne plugged into am A1200 like it was supposed to would it be worth a fortune now? Ten times as much as a CyberStorm goes for!? :-o
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Hi,
As said on Amibay.com I'm interested.
Price is ok for me too.
You have PM.
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@Vanilla are you new, or just trolling around? :) By now you should have realised every Amiga user has different taste, needs and requirements. And each of them has a different opinion on what can be called a 'real' Amiga.
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Why is that? A G3 AmigaOne even is a lot faster and includes a full computer. So why all all these CyberStorms still so sought after?
Is it because they plug into a real Amiga? That's the only benefit I can see. To me it looks like people are after an Amiga PPC machine that has AGA and can run old PPC games and iFusion on the Workbench. Apart from that it's not worth doing much else.
Sure you could run OS4 but it's limited, has bugs and doesn't replace OS3.9. And if you want to run MOS you can get a Mac now.
I want to kmow why newer machines like the A1 that run at almost ten times the clock speed as a full compuiter are worth nothing compared to an older card running almost ten times slower that needs to be plugged into an actual computer with expensive support cards. Huh. :huh:
Even in the Amiga world this doesn't make sense! If the AmigaOne plugged into am A1200 like it was supposed to would it be worth a fortune now? Ten times as much as a CyberStorm goes for!? :-o
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AmigaOne is not a real Amiga, it has nothing to do with the original Amiga design, neither does it work the same way. Of course real Amigans want Amigas and not new "Amigas". If you still use a slow PPC system as your main desktop today then I feel sorry for you. Most of the guys upgrading Amigas do it as a hobby, and they know that the real Amiga systems are the ones that gives the good old feeling of the great custom chip design and so on.
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@8bitbubsy
Although I agree with you that Vanilla's comments have no place in this thread, I used, until about 7 months ago, my Power book g4 ( which retired after 2 years of heavy use and abuse) and my powermac g4 as my main computers. They are definitely not new, but calling them too slow to use for everyday is an insult. My PowerMac G4 has been my longest lasting computer besides an entry level Dell desktop whose IGP card blew after eight months, and afterwards I used a Nvidia 5200 on. My timeline of computers runs like this:
1999-2003 First Computer I owned,Dell Dimension WinME on Pentium 3 600mhz
2001-2004 First Laptop- Dell WinXP Pro, Pentium 4 1.8Ghz (IIRC) (This computer was a total POS)
2004-2008 Dell B110 Pentium 4HT (Upgraded from Celeron D) 1GB RAM 126GB HDD WinXP/Ubuntu
2006-2008 Dell XPS 1 Pentium4HT 2GB XP Pro
2008-Present PowerMac G4 (see sig)
2008-2011 PowerBook G4 1.5GHZ 2GB 80GB
2008-2010 Ibook G4 1.3 GHZ 1GB 60GB
2012-Present Mac Mini (see sig)
The Point is that G4s are far from inadequate, they only show age on video conversion and ripping my DVDs, and they are fine for most daily work. Therefore I would see no reason why Eyetech A1s couldn't be used for everyday, albeit at a greater bottleneck
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I used, until about 7 months ago, my Power book g4 ( which retired after 2 years of heavy use and abuse) and my powermac g4 as my main computers. They are definitely not new, but calling them too slow to use for everyday is an insult. My PowerMac G4 has been my longest lasting computer
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The Point is that G4s are far from inadequate, they only show age on video conversion and ripping my DVDs, and they are fine for most daily work. Therefore I would see no reason why Eyetech A1s couldn't be used for everyday, albeit at a greater bottleneck
Nice rant, but Vanilla was referencing a G3 machine. Please don't try to defend the G3's usefulness as a daily use computer, now.
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Ah, I misread his post, but how does a g3 and a g4 compare at the same CPU speed?
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@Vanilla are you new, or just trolling around?
Neither. As stated in my post, I want to know why this hardware is seen as more valuable. Why it fetches a greater price? I can understand it being sought after but not at that price and the Amiga market has not stood still since.
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As stated in my post, I want to know why this hardware is seen as more valuable.
It's rare (don't underestimate rarity's effect on price) and it makes a classic Amiga do something it can't do without this particular piece of hardware. Basically, it's the best CPU upgrade you can get for a classic.
Pretty simple, really.
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AmigaOne is not a real Amiga, it has nothing to do with the original Amiga design, neither does it work the same way.
So what? A CyberStorm has nothing to do with the original Amiga design either. All it provides is a fast co-processor to co-exist with the 68K. And being that it doesn't multitask in the hardware this futher removes it from being an Amiga like design. And if it runs an exclusive OS on the PPC how does that relate to the 68K Amiga?
Of course real Amigans want Amigas and not new "Amigas". If you still use a slow PPC system as your main desktop today then I feel sorry for you.
I have an A1-XE and it's fine for rmost of my needs. And BTW real Amigans (as I consider myself) also wanted the hardware to continue. This didn't happen. The Amiga and AmigaOne are worlds apart because the hardware was left for too long. Sure I wanted something better that was more like a real Amiga but the AmigaOne is what we got and I had to accept that.
Most of the guys upgrading Amigas do it as a hobby, and they know that the real Amiga systems are the ones that gives the good old feeling of the great custom chip design and so on.[
But when you stick in cards like this that's a moot point. If you have a 233Mhz PPC with a graphics card and a sound card you've not only replaced the Amiga main CPU to an extent but the custom chips are replaced by non-Amiga parts and most likely PC hardware parts.
The Mediator is another example of this. An expensive Amiga expansion card that is made to stick in dirt cheap PC cards!
An expanded Amiga isn't exactly an Amiga anymore. It just becomes a dongle to foreign hardware.
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Ah, I misread his post, but how does a g3 and a g4 compare at the same CPU speed?
Pretty much the same. The only main difference is AltiVec. Without vector optimisations they'd work at close to the the same speed if not the same.
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But when you stick in cards like this that's a moot point. If you have a 233Mhz PPC with a graphics card and a sound card you've not only replaced the Amiga main CPU to an extent but the custom chips are replaced by non-Amiga parts and most likely PC hardware parts.
Replaced is the wrong word, the custom chipset is still present and usable, you've simply added more capabilities to the system. Now you can run the old classic Amiga software and newer software that takes advantage of additional hardware.
An expanded Amiga isn't exactly an Amiga anymore. It just becomes a dongle to foreign hardware.
Complete nonsense. An expanded Amiga is an expanded Amiga, capable of classic Amiga usage and beyond.
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Ha, I so agree with Tone007.
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Not to mention, the Amiga came with an expansion bus and slots, CPU slot, etc, so it could be expanded. :whack: Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!! :P
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.. my card .. :p
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Not to mention, the Amiga came with an expansion bus and slots, CPU slot, etc, so it could be expanded. :whack: Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!! :P
I guess it depends on what you expand it with. Adding a PPC and RTG was always a step too far for me. IMO the video slot is for a flicker fixer or genlock, the cpu slot is for a 680x0 accelerator.
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Suprised someone hasnt mentioned it, but what if you want to run PPC programs under amiga os3.x, demos and such?
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I think the purists believe that because no Commodore Amigas came out with anything other than a 680x0, therefore it needs to be using a 680x0 to be an Amiga.
Personally, I don't understand this. The fact that an Amiga can use a PPC is testament to the versatility of the hardware and the software, and should be celebrated, not scorned. Just because it wasn't officially done by CBM doesn't mean it's not somehow "Amiga", IMHO.
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Personally I find having the PPC as a co-processor under AmigaOS 3.x a very nice addition completely in line with the philosophy of the Amiga itself. Move CPU intensive tasks to co-processors... and when running 3.x, the PPC is nothing more than a co-processor.
You can use archivers, play MP3's, etc. where the big chunk of calculation work is handled by the PPC... provides a nice speedup while still running in the "true" classic OS - 3.x.
These cards fetch good value because they provide extra fun to the classic Amiga. Even though practical use of running something as AmigaOS4.1 on a classic box is limited, it's still fun. Which is exactly why we all keep these boxes running in the first place.
IMHO having additional hardware for these classical systems (Indivision, Deneb USB, PPC, ...) makes for continuing fun every day!
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Suprised someone hasnt mentioned it, but what if you want to run PPC programs under amiga os3.x, demos and such?
then what? :) whats your point? thats what we all did before OS4, right?
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My point was to the guy who posted this:
Why is that? A G3 AmigaOne even is a lot faster and includes a full computer. So why all all these CyberStorms still so sought after?
Because they can do things an AmigaOne can't, run OS3.x programs with PPC support.
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I think there's two good reasons:
One is that you can run software on a classic that you can't run on new hardware, as even under OS4 it can use the native chipset.
Secondly there's the fact that people are attached to their old hardware. Maxing out a machine you've had for years can be quite a buzz.
And that's apart from the fact that the CS-PPC particularly is the fastest 68K accelerator out there too, so you get very fast OS 3.x compatibility to boot (including WHDload).
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AND on a1200 its the best route to get RTG by means of the bvision
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@tone007
Now you can run the old classic Amiga software and newer software that takes advantage of additional hardware.
Not always. I've found even an 030 or 040 breaks certain software and games.
n expanded Amiga is an expanded Amiga, capable of classic Amiga usage and beyond.
Unless you can disable it your stuck in beyond land.
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@Damion
Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!! :P
I wasn't saying that. Bui if you stick a Mediator and associated cards then that is a clear intent to replace onboard hardware with PC parts! Against a 24-bit truecolour chunky display and 16-bit sound AGA looses out.
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@Damion
Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!! :P
I wasn't saying that. Bui if you stick a Mediator and associated cards then that is a clear intent to replace onboard hardware with PC parts! Against a 24-bit truecolour chunky display and 16-bit sound AGA looses out.
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Just because it wasn't officially done by CBM doesn't mean it's not somehow "Amiga", IMHO.
So where does the AmigaOne fit into that? ;-)
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Because they can do things an AmigaOne can't, run OS3.x programs with PPC support.
It can be done, an A1 can run WarpUP programs, but it is limited. A G3/G4 is more compatible with a G2 than the SoC on a Sam which can give you nightmares if you expect Warp PPC programs or games to work. :-)
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Because they can do things an AmigaOne can't, run OS3.x programs with PPC support.
It can be done, an A1 can run WarpUP programs, but it is limited. A G3/G4 is more compatible with a G2 than the SoC on a Sam which can give you nightmares if you expect Warp PPC programs or games to work. :-)
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So where does the AmhgaOne fit into that? ;-)
AmigaOne runs AmigaOS, and AmigaOS is designed to run on it natively. Therefore - to me at least - it's an Amiga. Custom chips do not an Amiga make - they used to, but times changed.
Which is what I said.... though maybe there were a few too many negatives to make that sentence easily parsable. :)
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AmigaOne runs AmigaOS, and AmigaOS is designed to run on it natively. Therefore - to me at least - it's an Amiga. Custom chips do not an Amiga make - they used to, but times changed.
I know it's not exactly the same. The firmware isn't Amiga like at all. I would have made it act more like an Amiga with an early firmware Gadtools like boot screen. With a red pointer. Kind of like what EFI does. I think it does.
But, I am rather purist in this regard as to me the AmigaOne isn't an Amiga, it's an AmigaOne! :razz:
Which is what I said.... though maybe there were a few too many negatives to make that sentence easily parsable. :)
Hehe. What I find the most amusing here and what seems to be missed in the arguments was that this is a DEFECTIVE board. So everyone has been arguing how a defective board is better than a working machine. Haha! :)
A friend had a CyberStormPPC that ended up being defective. He really wanted to make good use of it and promptly purchased OS4 classic. When he tried to boot OS4 it went through boot colours and then stopped. Just wouldn't work. Some OS3 PPC software was tested also also and it was determined the board was due for repair. It was sent off and hasn't come back. Years after buying OS4 his A4000T and him have never seen it. :(
However, an opportunity came up to buy an AmigaOne with a working install of OS4. He took up the offer. Though he didn't like the PC like UBoot that comes on screen and I agree here he had to get past that. And also get past the onboard IDE not being as good as SCSI. And now has a working machine with OS4. Or he did until all the screenmodes went missing for which I am currently to blame! Hehe. :laugh1: