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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: Xanxi on April 19, 2012, 04:44:05 PM
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Hi Amiga.org friends.
I have got a petition online to try and convince our friends Jens Schoenfeld from Individual Computers to release the rights on schematics and CPLD code of the Apollo boards. He is the legal owner of all this, but notoriously he doesn't want to release the datas nor offer any support for the boards.
It is just a shame to let an Apollo 1260 die because we are unable to reprogram a new Mach 131 for it.
With hundreds of requests through this petition, may be he will change his mind and save the future of Apollo boards.
Please sign it here before 5/31/2012: http://www.petitionduweb.com/Petition_give_apollo_boards_datas_to_the_amiga_community-11476.html
You are welcome even if you don't have (yet) an Apollo board.
Thanks in advance.
EDIT:
Here is the translation of the page you have after clicking on "SIGN":
Civilite *
Nom *
Prénom *
E-mail *
Date de naissance *
Adresse *
Code postal *
Ville *
Pays *
Profession :
"Civilité" : Choose Mr for Mister, Mlle for Miss, Mme for Mrs
"Nom": Name
"Prénom": First name
"Date de naissance": Birthdate with day before month as DD-MM-YYYY
"Adresse": Adress
"Code postal": zipcode
"Ville": City
"Pays": Country
"Profession": job (not required)
We french people make the effort to write in english in UK/US boards even if we are really bad at foreign languages, so, for once, please support the Amiga in french :)
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Unless he plans on reviving the Apollo 060, this makes no sense for him to do that.
Hope this petition pans out well.
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That's pretty much the way Amiga hardware goes, take it to your grave. Damn annoying users!
At least we got the Haynie files. That's an awesome resource.
Fingers crossed.
P.S. - Where is the petition?
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That's pretty much the way Amiga hardware goes, take it to your grave. Damn annoying users!
At least we got the Haynie files. That's an awesome resource.
Fingers crossed.
P.S. - Where is the petition?
Don't know why the link disappeared from the first post.
http://www.petitionduweb.com/Petition_give_apollo_boards_datas_to_the_amiga_community-11476.html
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Much easier to sign now ;)
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I sent an email to JS (23/02/2011) about these Mach : I explain to him these .jed files can create a job for me (by upgrading many 040 Apollo to 060), but no answer...
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I have got a petition online to try and convince our friends Jens Schoenfeld from Individual Computers to release the rights on schematics and CPLD code of the Apollo boards. He is the legal owner of all this, but notoriously he doesn't want to release the datas nor offer any support for the boards.
Xani dont you think he had reasons for doing this? Not going to happen even if you got 30k sigs..
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I have edited the first post to include the translation of the signing page for people who can't read french.
Thanks.
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You should just make it a habit of writing website text in english, especially if you want foreigners to read it or even respond to it.
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You should just make it a habit of writing website text in english, especially if you want foreigners to read it or even respond to it.
The text of this petition is in english, half the website is in english. Only the filling form is in french.
Did you know that french was the international language from 16th century to the beginning of the 20th century? I guess most native english people have studied a bit of french at school, unless everyone has gone to the chinese lesson instead by now.
Anyway, i have translated the form in the first post.
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It's a good thought, but no amount of signatures or petitions will get his attention, but money might; profit is his #1 priority.
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Spare me the history lesson, if you want your stuff to reach a broad audience, just use english.
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The text of this petition is in english, half the website is in english. Only the filling form is in french.
Did you know that french was the international language from 16th century to the beginning of the 20th century? I guess most native english people have studied a bit of french at school, unless everyone has gone to the chinese lesson instead by now.
Anyway, i have translated the form in the first post.
I guess that would have been helpful if the survey had taken place in the 19th century.
Deng Xiaoping studied in France but decided that English was the international language his country should pursue.
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I guess most native english people have studied a bit of french at school
Really?
Here in the U.S., unfortunately, multiple languages aren't very popular.
And while French is generally offered in schools, I would guess Spanish was much more popular a choice/option.
(Admittedly, I was in Southern California, so that might be distorted)
And, being a nerd, I didn't even do that.. I took Latin. ;)
Anyway, as for this, good effort. Good luck.
I don't see Jens budging, no matter how many sigs tho...
Another option might be seeing if the MAME guys can get at the MACH chip. Apparently (I read in a post on Amibay) that they dig into some chips for their work, and I think someone said a MACH chip was on their list (I don't think it was the 131). If there is a cost element, perhaps chatting with them and a small campaign to raise some funds to help them might be more productive.
desiv
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Notoriously? Did you start with a friendly email? That tends to work rather well.
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That's pretty much the way Amiga hardware goes, take it to your grave. Damn annoying users!
At least we got the Haynie files. That's an awesome resource.
Fingers crossed.
P.S. - Where is the petition?
I wish someone (with the ability to do so) would do the same about the CSA 12-Guage accelerator. This is a great accelerator for the A1200, and has a very nice SCSI system on-board, but the latest ROM for it does not support the memory controller under 3.1. I tried upgrading my ROM from 3.0 to 3.1, but found that If I install any RAM using the on-board SIMM slot, the computer will not post! Anyone wants to take a look & see if they can fix this bug?!
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CSA 12-Guage accelerator
What's that ???
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http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/search.pl?product=gauge&company=
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What's that ???
It was one of the first generation 030/50Mhz accelerators for the A1200. It worked beautifully, and has built-in a SCSI-II interface. Problem is, I believe the company stopped support/closed its doors before 3.1 was released. Apparently, the memory control system has changed between 3.0 & 3.1, so the ROM on the unit does not work with RAM installed, if you have the 3.1 ROMs installed. I really don't want to purchase a whole new accelerator, just because this one will not work with 3.1!!
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I dont own any apollo card but its a good idea, its good for us to take control over any kind of hardware, like the indivision aga mk1, not a old piece of hardware but seems abandoned and more with the mk2 near the market.
Just my opinion.
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Why on earth is Jens going to give away not only something he paid good money for, but something that would then allow his customers to produce similar (although less advanced) products to the ones he is spending time and money to develop for possibly less than his sell for? This is just a pointless excercise. Start making serious cash offers and then he will maybe start to consider it, but as it stands I'm sure Jens will be less than impressed with this petition.
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I don't think you guys realize how complicated a product like that is.
Its not something you're going to easily be able to duplicate even with all the technical information.
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Havent you guys considered that Jens purchased the rights to BURY them? this is very common in the tech world..
Also about English yes its the New World Order language. The illumnati are trying to go back to Tower of Babel days!
And yes, they were teaching French when I was in grammar school (private school in Mass.) Taught by nuns no less lulz.. and you better pay attention or you get the ruler on the knuckles! (not joking)
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@Xanxi
Did you know that more people spoke English than Francais in the 20th and 21st centuries? I guess most native la langue Francaise people have studied a lot of English at school, unless everyone has gone to the Chinese lesson instead by now.
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@Xanxi
Did you know that more people spoke English than Francais in the 20th and 21st centuries? I guess most native la langue Francaise people have studied a lot of English at school, unless everyone has gone to the Chinese lesson instead by now.
Yes, Chinese probably IS the wave of the future.
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France Will Simply Have to Swallow Anglobalization of Common Language (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703837004575013033899213088.html)
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Yes, Chinese probably IS the wave of the future.
China has more english speakers than USA ;-)
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Although India is bound to top China's population - so better start learning Hindi if you want to be up to date tomorrow! ;)
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Sorry to bring the thread back on topic... ;)
What would be considered "enough"?
Is it the binaries, the source or replacement parts?
He might feel that source and schematics could raise up a competitor.
Binary files or selling pre-programmed parts might be a better angle if you just want your existing cards up and running.
You might also consider a bounty proposal to reimburse him on his investment.
I don't feel confident that an unfocused "give us everything for free" approach is going to get very far.
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Sorry to bring the thread back on topic... ;)
What would be considered "enough"?
Is it the binaries, the source or replacement parts?
He might feel that source and schematics could raise up a competitor.
Binary files or selling pre-programmed parts might be a better angle if you just want your existing cards up and running.
You might also consider a bounty proposal to reimburse him on his investment.
I don't feel confident that an unfocused "give us everything for free" approach is going to get very far.
Let me ask you something: do you recall an old, old ooooooooold thread on aw.net posted by someone who asked Thomas Dellert(sp) if he'd sell the plans for the DCE PPC cards? Yeah, he said $250,000. That was probably motivated by nothing but spite. Jens has a vested interest in burying the Apollo cards above and beyond being a snarky dick about it. So...I'd say it ain't never gonna happen.
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Sorry to bring the thread back on topic... ;)
What would be considered "enough"?
Is it the binaries, the source or replacement parts?
He might feel that source and schematics could raise up a competitor.
Binary files or selling pre-programmed parts might be a better angle if you just want your existing cards up and running.
You might also consider a bounty proposal to reimburse him on his investment.
I don't feel confident that an unfocused "give us everything for free" approach is going to get very far.
Enough would be a components list, the complete board layout (all layers), any manufacturing tips that might prove essential, programming information for any programmable logic, all necessary software sources, and any other information necessary to create new functional boards.
In a word, a lot.
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France Will Simply Have to Swallow Anglobalization of Common Language (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703837004575013033899213088.html)
Interesting article from the Wall Street Journal.
However, if we do learn and speak english, there is no need to abandon french. French is still a language for educated people around the world. Just see how Henry Kissinger / Tony Blair / Johnny Depp (to choose three random examples) prove their intelligence and culture when they can speak fluent french on TV. And if that's not enough, think of the Merovingian from Matrix :D
Latin should be the language for very educated people. Not to mention the Ancient Greek for extremely educated people. :)
About those Apollo, a first step would be to have the CPLD code to program MACH chips. The schematics would be even better. The primary objective is just to be able to repair our boards if necessary.
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About those Apollo, a first step would be to have the CPLD code to program MACH chips. The schematics would be even better. The primary objective is just to be able to repair our boards if necessary.
Well I've always found the French to be xenophobic and somewhat arrogant.
And they share my government's unsettling willingness to sell arms to dangerous countries.
But then, I guess we're more similar then I like to think about.
In fact, if it wasn't for the King the French decided to behead, our own revolution would not have been successful.
On the CPLD code, without that the device could not be built.
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Well I've always found the French to be xenophobic and somewhat arrogant.
And they share my government's unsettling willingness to sell arms to dangerous countries.
But then, I guess we're more similar then I like to think about.
In fact, if it wasn't for the King the French decided to behead, our own revolution would not have been successful.
French are proud and independant but not arrogant, and certainly no more xenophobic than any other people around the world. Some would say that USA are arrogant, racist and imperialist. However i don't, because i am educated enough to know american history and key figures from George Washington and Benjamin Franklin to Henry Kissinger to understand the heart of Americans and even sometimes feel like one of them (actually i do admire a lot Abraham Lincoln but really despise Kissinger).
And this goes for any other country including Jens Schoenfeld's Germany ;)
I agree that it is a shame that France sells weapons to any other country.
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Some would say that USA are arrogant, racist and imperialist.
Um.. er.. (looking around the news websites).. uh...
However i don't, because i am educated enough to know american history...
OK... then... Sounds good... ;)
I love my country.. but we can be a little arrogant, racist and imperialist at times... Although I think the media (I'm not saying intentionally) amplifies it. When I watch the news, I get mad at us; and I like us.. ;-)
But we mean well... ;-)
Well, some of us..
I agree getting at least some MACH 131's from Jens would be great. But I just don't see it...
Besides, he's German! I've seen those German's on TV, they're terrible!
(KIDDING!!! KIDDING!!!!)
desiv
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I am so sorry that I am not as educated as the french, I only speak 3 languages and understand more, but french is not one of them. I guess I must be under educated then.
By the way, Jens decide what he wants with his own stuff and I for one, wont sign this petition.
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If you don't know french, you are uneducated?
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Some would say that USA are arrogant, racist and imperialist.
*SIGHS*
I *REALLY* wish people would stop using the words "racist" and "racism." There's *NO* such thing. We're *ALL* the same frakking "race"! Homo Sapien. There are different *ETHNIC* groups and therefore, there's *ETHNIC* hate.
And no offense, but *EVERY* Country has people mired in ethnic hatred.....
:mad:
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Whats this? another french revolution? be realistic, french is a unusefull language for a big percent on planet earth, sorry is just the reality.
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@Xanxi
Did you know that more people spoke English than Francais in the 20th and 21st centuries? I guess most native la langue Francaise people have studied a lot of English at school, unless everyone has gone to the Chinese lesson instead by now.
That French i took in HS is not doing me much good here in Miami. Maybe if you understood it really well you could understand Creole which is spoken here.
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*SIGHS*
I *REALLY* wish people would stop using the words "racist" and "racism." There's *NO* such thing. We're *ALL* the same frakking race! Homo Sapien. There are different *ETHNIC* groups and therefore, there's *ETHNIC* hate.
And no offense, but *EVERY* Country has people mired in ethnic hatred.....
:mad:
Homo sapiens is a species, not a race.
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@Xanxi
Instead of accepting the fact that you made a crusial error when using French on a worldwide online petition you start justifying it, and not only that, you do it in a way that pushes people away that you try to gain support from. Absolutly educated brilliance!
I for one think quite highly of Jens and what he is offering this dwindling community and actually think more highly of him for what he did with Apollo, good riddance!
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Homo sapiens is a species, not a race.
Ethnicity refers to selected cultural and sometimes physical characteristics used to classify people into groups or categories considered to be significantly different from others. Commonly recognized American ethnic groups include American Indians, Latinos, Chinese, African Americans, European Americans, etc. In some cases, ethnicity involves merely a loose group identity with little or no cultural traditions in common. This is the case with many Irish and German Americans. In contrast, some ethnic groups are coherent subcultures with a shared language and body of tradition. Newly arrived immigrant groups often fit this pattern.
A race is a biological subspecies (http://anthro.palomar.edu/ethnicity/images/horn.gif) (http://anthro.palomar.edu/ethnicity/sounds/subspecies.mp3), or variety of a species, consisting of a more or less distinct population with anatomical traits that distinguish it clearly from other races. This biologist's definition does not fit the reality of human genetic variation today. We are an extremely homogenous species genetically. As a matter of fact, all humans today are 99.9% genetically identical, and most of the variation that does occur is in the difference between males and females and our unique personal traits. This homogeneity is very unusual in the animal kingdom. Even our closest biological relatives, the chimpanzees have 2-3 times more genetic variation than people. Orangutans have 8-10 times more variation.
It is now clear that our human "races" are primarily cultural creations, not biological realities. The commonly held belief in the existence of human biological races is based on the false assumption that anatomical traits, such as skin color and specific facial characteristics, cluster together in single distinct groups of people. They do not. There are no clearly distinct "black", "white", or other races.
http://anthro.palomar.edu/ethnicity/ethnic_1.htm
There you go, dipsh!t!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
While I loathe to use wikipedia, to school you more. Until, there's a SUBSPECIES of homo sapiens, excluding yourself, of course, there's no such thing as race.
Yes, we are a species, but I was referring to the fact that most people are ignorant enough to use terms such as
"racist" and "racism", 'cos they've been educated to think that we are, in fact, a "race", especially since we've constantly, throughout history, been referred to as the "Human Race."
Now, I'll go and "correct" my previous post, but my statement is still valid.
Thanks again for trolling..... :rolleyes:
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On the subject of the petition, I intend to sign as soon as I get off work and have 20minutes or so to figure it out.
On the subject of the US, it would be fair to say that about one fourth of us are educated and well informed. Another fourth are fairly educated and not at all bad chaps. Then you get the one fourth people who include the ignorant, the sheeplike and the good for nothings. Finally, you get the imperialist, racist radical conservatives who make us all look bad. They are the reason we look like a bunch of blithering arsefaces to everyone else and they are the reason we are depicted as we are. Sadly, that's the main reason I wish to emigrate, as soon as I finish my education that is. It really is a shame, the only education we have that's of any quality is our higher education, and we have fallen behind in almost any statistic you could name.
On the French, they are a lovely people, with good food, medical care and hospitality, and I highly believe that the anti French sentiment is perpetuated by our government and the bloody dolts that run it. I do not care too much for their language, or any romance language for that matter as its very difficult to learn. But overall they are as good as any people that exist.
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There you go, dipsh!t!
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you lose an argument, regardless of the quantity and quality of the facts you might have also mentioned..
:swords:
desiv
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you lose an argument, regardless of the quantity and quality of the facts you might have also mentioned..
That's debatable, but it does make one look like an idiot ;)
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I'm heading to the diner to order some FREEDOM FRIES!
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Roughly one on topic post per page in a thread trying to unify us for a cause. :whack:
I guess no good deed goes unpunished, right Xanxi?
Well, at least it's staying on the front page.
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I'm heading to the diner to order some FREEDOM FRIES!
That "Freedom Fries" nonsense after Iraq invasion was one of the most embarassing things for me as an american personally. The fact that america is quickly descending into the Land of the NOT SO FREE its quite a joke. And the joke is on us - the citizens. America has more citizens in incarcaration than any country in the world. America has more military bases and more troops in more countries than any other in the world. We also have the most arms and nuclear weapons..
but then again when everyone says "freedom" and points to the illumantis symbol of the Statue of "liberty" (Another cruel irony) you know we are in for some 1984/Soylent Green/Planet of the Apes/ THX 1138 type crap.
(since we are so OT it doesnt matter figured i'd add this)
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Freedom Fries and Soylent Green...
MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!
desiv
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Well its probably not in Jens commercial interest to share this technology.
Now where are my chilli bean fries??? (Had them in Korea super yum miss them!)
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Well its probably not in Jens commercial interest to share this technology
I'm dreaming about a new mentality from ALL the important Amiga actors :
=> thinking FIRST about the Amiga cause, and AFTER about our respective interest...
I'm a dreamer, yes, I know... Anyway, this new mentality called unity is the ONLY way to save Amiga computers...
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Yes its nice to dream, but at the end of the day it comes down to money.. Sure it would be very generous and honourable to release much needed information into the community freely, but as you see alot of ppl llike to make money from the community as well. So if the information is held back thats one way to protect Jens business against any future competitors.
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In reality, it would be better to team up with the natami team and use their fpga 68k with memory controller to get "lightning" fast accelerator for the old amigas.
I guess it would make a lot more sence, than continuing on the "old" 68k path.
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Actually, my dear friends, your french or freedom fries have nothing to do with France.
French fries, "les frites", come from Belgium and even if some of the Belgians do speak french, this country is not a part of France since 1815.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS439Ss-j7yC02_cZl404Lj0bfYu3hP4w9eXGbkGZFDR4VHgRki)
As for the ones who are not interested in the release of the Apollo datas, why keep posting in there? There is so much to do on a Sunday afternoon, isn't it?
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French are proud and independant but not arrogant, and certainly no more xenophobic than any other people around the world. Some would say that USA are arrogant, racist and imperialist. However i don't, because i am educated enough to know american history and key figures from George Washington and Benjamin Franklin to Henry Kissinger to understand the heart of Americans and even sometimes feel like one of them (actually i do admire a lot Abraham Lincoln but really despise Kissinger).
And this goes for any other country including Jens Schoenfeld's Germany ;)
I agree that it is a shame that France sells weapons to any other country.
Sorry, you're probably right that the French are no more arrogant then any other country.
And Kissinger is easy to despise.
Also, as I've mentioned, we owe the French a debt for their involvement in our own revolution.
As to Jen's homeland, many of the people I interact with on the internet are German.
They're generally pretty bright people.
Still, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the Apollo.
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Still, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the Apollo.
This thread has slid on some anti french commentaries because some members have found inacceptable to sign a petition on a website where a part of the text is written in french, even if those french words are translated in english on the first post.
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This thread has slid on some anti french commentaries because some members have found inacceptable to sign a petition on a website where a part of the text is written in french, even if those french words are translated in english on the first post.
Perfectly silly. Added my signature.
With the tools we have on the web, we can translate anything.
And French (luckily enough) is a fairly straight forward translation.
German, now that can get a little weird.
But is this petition likely to have any effect on Jens?
PS
French fries, "les frites"
I'd always heard them refereed to as "pom frites".
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I dig the French. They aren't afraid to say "**** em" (in French obviously) and replace their government every now and again, when they've screwed up, or have a revolution just to remind everyone that yeah, you're in charge, but we're still the people and there's a lot of us.
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Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?
I'm very curious to know the real reason(s)...
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Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?
I'm very curious to know the real reason(s)...
Jealousy :)
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Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?
I'm very curious to know the real reason(s)...
They don't. Not in general..
In fact, "Going to France" is considered a very high end / romantic vacation.
That being said, there is a general thought that people in France are "rude" to tourists (specifically American tourists I suppose).
Whether or not that's true in general, I doubt..
And in some cases, I'm sure it was true but deserved...
American tourists (and probably many others) can probably be pretty rude.
Remember, we're used to Disneyland as a vacation, and when the people of the local town don't act like the paid performers/staff at Disneyland, we don't know how to react.. ;-)
I'm guessing that there's a bit of cultural difference in there, and a bit of stereotyping too..
Personally, I blame Monty Python....
I know all of my perceptions of people from France comes from the soldiers and their viscous "tauntings" of King Arthur!!!!
:-)
desiv
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Jealousy :)
Not in the least.
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American tourists (and probably many others) can probably be pretty rude.
You want bad behavior?
You need Russian tourists.
Trust me, I work part time in a local four star hotel.
The biggest blow ups we've had were with Russian guests.
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That being said, there is a general thought that people in France are "rude" to tourists (specifically American tourists I suppose)
You must know that in France, we speak only french... Watch me with my pitty english...
Maybe we are "rude" because of the language, hard to be polite & cool with someone we don't understand what he's saying !!
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You must know that in France, we speak only french... Watch me with my pitty english...
Maybe we are "rude" because of the language, hard to be polite & cool with someone we don't understand what he's saying !!
Your English is fine Cosmos.
And your statement points to a primary difference between how our countrymen act.
When I run into someone who speaks poor English (or no English) I try to communicate.
The French tend to obfuscate in similar situations.
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Maybe we are "rude" because of the language, hard to be polite & cool with someone we don't understand what he's saying !!
And I think that probably has a lot to do with it...
Americans expect people to be able to understand them (in general) when they travel.
The world is our EuroDisney.. :banana:
;-)
desiv
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And I think that probably has a lot to do with it...
Americans expect people to be able to understand them (in general) when they travel.
The world is our EuroDisney.. :banana:
;-)
desiv
The frightening thing is, that since English is one of the most common second languages you usually can find someone who understands you.
Want to bet that when french tourists travel they don't keep up the pretense of speaking "only French".
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Want to bet that when french tourists travel they don't keep up the pretense of speaking "only French".
I could use this as an example of the thought that people "assume" that everyone understands English...
I don't know if most French people also speak English...
I know many cultures do, but I'm not sure about the French...
Just had another thought (Ouch)..
I keep using the word "rude," but that's a behavior judgement based on cultural norms..
It could be that the French (in general, as I don't have specifics, not having traveled) don't consider their behavior rude, but we do... We're judging the way they act in their own country by our mores...
desiv
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I could use this as an example of the thought that people "assume" that everyone understands English...
Sure, and if they don't understand you just speak slower and louder.;)
Actually, I'm not sure if its rude behavior or defensive.
And I certainly wouldn't want to hold up many Americans as paragons of polite behavior.
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You want bad behavior?
You need Russian tourists.
Trust me, I work part time in a local four star hotel.
The biggest blow ups we've had were with Russian guests.
I met a Russian once, and he was very rude and sarcastic. He spoke good English though. :laugh1:
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It was not my intention to twist this thread into some sort of french bashing when I pointed out that it would reach a wider audience using english.
I currently study Multimedia Design at an international school in Denmark, we have many nationalities, russian, english, french, american, chinese and so on. I can assure you that none of them are rude in any way, in fact they are all quite nice and helpfull folks to be around.
Now, if we could get back on track, we might be a bit more constructive.
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It was not my intention to twist this thread into some sort of french bashing when I pointed out that it would reach a wider audience using english.
I currently study Multimedia Design at an international school in Denmark, we have many nationalities, russian, english, french, american, chinese and so on. I can assure you that none of them are rude in any way, in fact they are all quite nice and helpfull folks to be around.
Now, if we could get back on track, we might be a bit more constructive.
While I do agree with your original point, I didn't have that much trouble figuring out the French form (and I don't speak French).
On the original topic, does anyone have any idea how much Jens paid for the rights to the Apollo design?
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Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?
I'm very curious to know the real reason(s)...
It's silly because it's people from Zaragoza the ones who should be angry after the 2nd napoleonic siege ;-) and we still invite french people to beers when you come here :-)
Bah! don't be serious about their "french fries" to "freedom fries" change, it's clear who were the first europeans in eating potatos, in frying them and in making the best omelettes with them (oh! and the first ones doing chocolate tablets too) ;-)
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Why UK english and USA ppl hate so deeply french & France ?
Well English I can see due to 19th century history of warring between nations..
As far as Americans they are so brainwashed by Mainstream Media that if they were told to hate ice cream they would! When the French wouldnt give the UN go ahead for the US invasion of Iraq us media started a propaganda campaign against the French. (not to mention CointelPro disinformation and culture shaping efforts e.g "freedom fries")
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This thread is bottomless awesome. It's like a jumbo container package of Instant *******. Just add users.
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Haha! I dont know how we got from Jens please release the Apollo documents to French Fries...
Maybe if we give Jen's a 1 year supply of french fries he might release the Apollo documents ???
You know it would be very funny if Jens was eating french fries at this moment..
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I dont know how this thread degraded too, but if users think that they can petition a company to release something they paid good money for to bury its rather silly to begin with?
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Yep Mag,
This was silly to begin with, so whatever its degraded into, let's have fun with it.
If Bigfoot wants pizza, why not fries for Jens?
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Iggy
Right. Bigfoot wanted pizza because he works FOR FREE. Jens makes a living with his company. Bigfoot has a real job and does morphos work for free afaik
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I dont know how this thread degraded too, but if users think that they can petition a company to release something they paid good money for to bury its rather silly to begin with?
A petition will probably only work if each user puts a small amount of $$$ to finally make up a large amount of $$$ to purchase the rights to the documentation from Jen's *if he wishes to sell it in exchange for money*
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Buying something just to bury it is a **** thing to do to a community that provides him with a living.
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A petition will probably only work if each user puts a small amount of $$$ to finally make up a large amount of $$$ to purchase the rights to the documentation from Jen's *if he wishes to sell it in exchange for money*
If all Classics lovers give only 10 €, we can reach a beautifull jackpot. For me, I'm ok to give 50 €...
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If all Classics lovers give only 10 €, we can reach a beautifull jackpot. For me, I'm ok to give 50 €...
Well theres 23 ppl who have signed the petition..
I would think at least each person puts in 80 € then thats an amount of money that might start to make someone pause and think? Dunno but with all classic users they would prefer to get documentation for free close to nothing..
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Buying something just to bury it is a **** thing to do to a community that provides him with a living.
You can't really believe that Jens income is basically from the hardware he makes for the Amiga community do you?
Amiga is a hobby for Jens and he creates hardware because he likes to.
OK he gets some money from time to time, but profitwise, his mk1 Indivision series was not SUCH a profit for him based on his sayings. A1200 mk1 version was indeed profitable, but the A4000/CD32 version took 3 years to sell out and his ECS series didn't go as well as he planned.
I'm not a businessman myself but I guess investing to something that MIGHT give you some ROI back in 3 years... is a bad investment.
Recently he announced also that his has another field of income and way more profitable.
I really hope you'll gain something with this petition but I certainly doubt it.
Jens bought the rights and schematics for the Apollo boards just to get rid of them from the community. As he said numerous times, Apollo's weren't made (at least from his POV) right and created only fuss and grief to it's owners (especially the Apollo 630 which he hates deadly lol).
I can't judge his own perspective although I tend to disagree with his attitude from time to time.
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Perhaps Jens will not give his datas because some people can easily make money with his files.
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Perhaps Jens will not give his datas because some people can easily make money with his files.
Or they are so terrible, Jens is embarrassed to have them released :-)
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I think that making a batch of Mach131 chips for A1240 and A3040/4040 would be great... Those chips are cheap now and it could make happy some Amiga users (including me) who did not have any problem with ex ACT's Apollo products. I do not know why Jens does not want to provide this solution... He always says that Apollo are unstable (that is not true) and they have bad design (I agree with him on that point, mainly for their scsi). But I do not think it is the right reason.
Apollo's are part of the Amiga history, especially for 040/060 accelerators. It is a shame that someone decide to let them die like this.
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Well theres 23 ppl who have signed the petition..
Actually, the total is 30 by now.
I hope we reach 100+ by the end of the petition scheduled for the 31th of May.
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Apollo's are part of the Amiga history, especially for 040/060 accelerators. It is a shame that someone decide to let them die like this.
Apollos may be a part of Amiga history, but I, for one, am glad they will be killed. I owned three Apollo boards, and each of them were terribly unstable and unreliable. I'd have killed them, myself, given an opportunity.
Having said that, they seem to be like Compaq or Windows Vista: you either absolutely love it or absolutely hate it. None the less, my Blizzards and CyberStorm are far more reliable and compatible, for that matter.
As to whether Jens intended to kill them off or not, I'd like to see his statements to that effect. I'd like to think that, given his massive contributions to the community, he may be interested in taking them and improving upon the designs for future product. But then if they really are shyt and he really does want them dead, well, so be it. I didn't see anyone else stepping forward to claim the designs for themselves.
Are for everyone who's signing up, good for you guys. Even if it's a moot point, all power to those who believe in a cause.
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Maybe give schemes of "how to make your own apollo" is a bit excesive, but the possibilities of make their own open firmwares to abandoned hardware like the first indivision ist good.
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*SIGHS*
I *REALLY* wish people would stop using the words "racist" and "racism." There's *NO* such thing. We're *ALL* the same frakking "race"! Homo Sapien. There are different *ETHNIC* groups and therefore, there's *ETHNIC* hate.
And no offense, but *EVERY* Country has people mired in ethnic hatred.....
:mad:
Homo Sapiens is a species. Believe it or not, racism (whether the concept of race among humans is a social construct and taxonomically irrelevant) is a problem that I don't think you should brush off over an argument about semantics. Everyone is only part of the same race by a very limited sense of the word.
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Thanks to all to come back to the topic. All of this started because someone said that a part of the petition was not written in English... This petition has started on our main French Amiga forum, that's why Xanxi decided to take a French site (and partially translated in English on top of that).
Now if you cannot make an effort to use tools such as Google translation or other things during 1 minute... I have no word to describe how you are lazy. And if you do not want to help us, please do not reply here.
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Now if you cannot make an effort to use tools such as Google translation or other things during 1 minute... I have no word to describe how you are lazy. And if you do not want to help us, please do not reply here.
I have to repsond to this, because it is so wrong in so many ways.
Look if you have a product you need to sell, then you have to realise, that it is not the consumers responsibility to meet you, but it is your responsibility to meet the consummer.
It does not say anything about our lazynes, but rather yours, just translate it to english right away.
Why not just admit it, you made a boo-boo stop trying to defend it, do something about it instead.
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Your post is useless again and again...
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Your post is useless again and again...
In your eyes it might look useless as you dont seem to accept mild criticism but to the rest of us it's far from useless. It invited a reponce and the responce received show the rest of us what type of person you are. Thumbs up.
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What kind of response ?? it is not our website, it cannot be translated in swedish, english, japanese or whatever you want. There is already 30+ signatures, we will not start again.
This thread is for the Amiga community, replying such a way is not reflecting this community and does not help in anyway the Apollo users...
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There is no need to continue to argue with our nordic friends here whom obviously don't want to sign this petiton. Everything is translated on the first post for those can not use Google Translate.
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CrashMidnick >> I am to old for this kind of debating.
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CrashMidnick >> I am to old for this kind of debating.
Ah, it could be worse. It could be in Dutch.
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I would like to express my many thanks to the 34 signatories so far.
I hope to triple this amount at least before the 5/31/2012.
Do not hesitate to spread out this to other amiga boards that i do not know.
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Tried to sign up but all in French.. haha Im at work so cant speed the time translating.
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i have this for the apollo for sale if this helps
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=28892
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Tried to sign up but all in French.. haha Im at work so cant speed the time translating.
Please read the translation in the first post of the thread, a few lines below the link you have clicked.
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i have this for the apollo for sale if this helps
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=28892
I think that would be a tough sell having it all bundled in as one lot.. Might be better to sell one at a time.. If the fully populated one sells, then assemble the next one and sell and so on. besides the pcb is easy to make for the homebrewer..
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Only 15 days left to get the chance to sign this.
54 people so far. Would be great to reach 100.
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You can't really believe that Jens income is basically from the hardware he makes for the Amiga community do you?
Amiga is a hobby for Jens and he creates hardware because he likes to.
OK he gets some money from time to time, but profitwise, his mk1 Indivision series was not SUCH a profit for him based on his sayings. A1200 mk1 version was indeed profitable, but the A4000/CD32 version took 3 years to sell out and his ECS series didn't go as well as he planned.
I'm not a businessman myself but I guess investing to something that MIGHT give you some ROI back in 3 years... is a bad investment.
Recently he announced also that his has another field of income and way more profitable.
I really hope you'll gain something with this petition but I certainly doubt it.
Jens bought the rights and schematics for the Apollo boards just to get rid of them from the community. As he said numerous times, Apollo's weren't made (at least from his POV) right and created only fuss and grief to it's owners (especially the Apollo 630 which he hates deadly lol).
I can't judge his own perspective although I tend to disagree with his attitude from time to time.
Well put Mfilos! We should be happy anything is made for amiga, it is rarely profitable and most the time is nearly a labor of love.
Apollo boards are junk. the scsi is bad,the board trace routing is bad,the main connectors on many boards are bad or low quality and have the signature leaking batteries.. Apollo is a plague more than anything. I can't
blame Jens for wanting to bury them. Why not spend a bit more money and get a decent accelerator. I seriously doubt Jens will ever release the Mach chip code ever.
-Mech-
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I like my Apollo 1230.
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I like my Apollo's too. There's nothing wrong with it. On the other hand, there could well be faulty Apollo's out there, but that counts for other brands too.
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If you're all so happy about open hardware design, why not create an open accelerator design project?
Asking people to give away their investments for free rarely leads to something.
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Why don't you talk to George Braun instead? Maybe he can help you with a new 060 design.
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If you're all so happy about open hardware design, why not create an open accelerator design project?
Asking people to give away their investments for free rarely leads to something.
Beyond adapting a 020 cpu as a simple accelerator its pretty complex to hookin any CPU faster than that..
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Only 9 days left. 63 signatures yet.
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Hi Amiga.org friends.
I have got a petition online to try and convince our friends Jens Schoenfeld from Individual Computers to release the rights on schematics and CPLD code of the Apollo boards. He is the legal owner of all this, but notoriously he doesn't want to release the datas nor offer any support for the boards.
It is just a shame to let an Apollo 1260 die because we are unable to reprogram a new Mach 131 for it.
With hundreds of requests through this petition, may be he will change his mind and save the future of Apollo boards.
Please sign it here before 5/31/2012: http://www.petitionduweb.com/Petition_give_apollo_boards_datas_to_the_amiga_community-11476.html
You are welcome even if you don't have (yet) an Apollo board.
Thanks in advance.
EDIT:
Here is the translation of the page you have after clicking on "SIGN":
Civilite *
Nom *
Prénom *
E-mail *
Date de naissance *
Adresse *
Code postal *
Ville *
Pays *
Profession :
"Civilité" : Choose Mr for Mister, Mlle for Miss, Mme for Mrs
"Nom": Name
"Prénom": First name
"Date de naissance": Birthdate with day before month as DD-MM-YYYY
"Adresse": Adress
"Code postal": zipcode
"Ville": City
"Pays": Country
"Profession": job (not required)
We french people make the effort to write in english in UK/US boards even if we are really bad at foreign languages, so, for once, please support the Amiga in french :)
Today is the last day!
Don't miss the opportunity to add your signature to the 69.