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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: AAACHIPSET on April 18, 2012, 12:48:09 PM

Title: 060 real time speed
Post by: AAACHIPSET on April 18, 2012, 12:48:09 PM
using  amiga1200 how  realistic  speed increase is 060  in comparison  to o4o.
internet?  not many  games need  060...playin  dvd possible..
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: Jiffy on April 18, 2012, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: AAACHIPSET;689299
using  amiga1200 how  realistic  speed increase is 060  in comparison  to o4o.
internet?  not many  games need  060...playin  dvd possible..

If by internet you mean using a webbrowser: forget it. Utter and complete torture. This is not only because of the lack of speed of an 060, but also AGA not being fast enough to process all data. Combine this with ancient software, lacking basic features like CSS.

If by internet you mean ftp, e-mail and chat: no problem. Works great.

And playing a DVD? :-D

An 060 is very fast using classic Amigasoftware from the (early) 90-ies. It is more or less comparable to a Pentium 1 of about the same clockspeed.
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: fishy_fiz on April 18, 2012, 01:08:51 PM
68040 does 1.1 MIPS per clock, 68060 does 1.33.
A person also has to take into account that the '060 runs at a higher clock rate, plus its superscalar architecture. a 50mhz '060 is probably on average 1.5 times the speed of a 40mhz '040, but on occasion it's closr to 2x the speed. While higher clocked '060's are faster they dont scale well in some situations due to ram bandwidth being a bottleneck.
 
The difference is definately noticable, although dvd playback is still too much for an '060, especially when using aga.
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: gertsy on April 18, 2012, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;689304
68040 does 1.1 MIPS per clock, 68060 does 1.33.
A person also has to take into account that the '060 runs at a higher clock rate, plus its superscalar architecture. a 50mhz '060 is probably on average 1.5 times the speed of a 40mhz '040, but on occasion it's closr to 2x the speed. While higher clocked '060's are faster they dont scale well in some situations due to ram bandwidth being a bottleneck.
 
The difference is definately noticable, although dvd playback is still too much for an '060, especially when using aga.


Ditto.
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: AAACHIPSET on April 19, 2012, 07:57:27 AM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;689304
68040 does 1.1 MIPS per clock, 68060 does 1.33.
A person also has to take into account that the '060 runs at a higher clock rate, plus its superscalar architecture. a 50mhz '060 is probably on average 1.5 times the speed of a 40mhz '040, but on occasion it's closr to 2x the speed. While higher clocked '060's are faster they dont scale well in some situations due to ram bandwidth being a bottleneck.
 
The difference is definately noticable, although dvd playback is still too much for an '060, especially when using aga.
curious  then...my  cd32 has  fmv card  plays vcd ok...any  1200 soft/hardware  capable of  same..
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: Cosmos Amiga on April 19, 2012, 08:03:10 AM
My 060 rev6 is working perfectly at 105 Mhz on my Apollo 1260 !
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: Jiffy on April 19, 2012, 08:12:13 AM
Quote from: AAACHIPSET;689515
curious  then...my  cd32 has  fmv card  plays vcd ok...any  1200 soft/hardware  capable of  same..

Ehm... You do realise that, while the size of the discs may be identical, vcd is not identical to dvd?

Let me spell it out: you can not play dvd on an 060 equiped A1200, period.
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: psxphill on April 19, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: AAACHIPSET;689515
curious then...my cd32 has fmv card plays vcd ok...any 1200 soft/hardware capable of same..

Doesn't the CD32 FMV card use an mpeg decoder chip and a genlock to display the video? So get yourself a genlock and a DVD player with a control port and you'll have something similar.
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: magnetic on April 19, 2012, 08:26:28 AM
Quote from: Cosmos;689518
My 060 rev6 is working perfectly at 105 Mhz on my Apollo 1260 !

Wow..

If only we could speed up AGA somehow..

@PSXphil

What are you talking about? What does a genlock have to do with anything?
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: Megamig on April 19, 2012, 08:31:04 AM
Amiga custom hardware is good but not that good! Why would you want to watch DVDs on your computer when standalone DVD players are so cheap - hardly worth the effort
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: fishy_fiz on April 19, 2012, 09:10:49 AM
The FMV module contains an mpeg decoder chip, which is why it plays reasonable quality video.
As for playing videos on a classic amiga, I understand the appeal even if its not practical. It's quite fun, if tedious at times to convert videos to a format an upgraded amiga can cope ok with. DVD unfortunately just isnt one of those formats.
Title: Re: 060 real time speed
Post by: AAACHIPSET on April 20, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
i  do  realize  the dvd  vcd  difference..but  im  one  of  those  guys  who got  win3.1 working  on a a500 with  pctask ..its  a hobby..just  fun  to  do..