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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: XDelusion on April 16, 2012, 01:16:40 AM
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Just found these, thought I'd share:
http://aminet.net/search?query=Amithlon+explained
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Interesting, should be put to a single video on You Tube. User Group of Melbourne?
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Working on it... :)
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This would be more useful in another format, eg. ASCII. As it stands, it is hundreds of megabytes which is unfortunately just not practical.
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I have uploaded the video in two parts to Youtube.
[youtube]9_zegFb_fkA[/youtube]
[youtube]gcN25No_RwQ[/youtube]
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Ironically one of the 1st videos I ever watched on OS3.9/Amithlon 10 or so years ago :)
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And I think this is what you were talking about the other day isn't it?
Amiga OpenPCI Radeon 68k (new version - march 2012)
[youtube]G6aS0g4ZDZk[/youtube]
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Ah, ok, cool. I hadnt seen that one. Seems its running on a real '060 based amiga. Id only seen the other videos he did with it running on Amithlon. Even supports multiple monitors (both with different display/apps).
Cant wait to get ahold of it. Ive been trying to get to 300fps on Quake2 for a while. Maxed out at 298, never quite hit 300 yet without dropping resolution and I think these drivers should get me there (and then some). When he does implement 3d acceleration it'll be crazy fast (not that 300fps isnt fast enough already, but theyre good ways to benchmark a machine against its former configuration) :)
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Amithlon just won't die will it? :)
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Amithlon really needs a bounty for it, assuming that's even a viable option with eventual open source roots.
The fact Amithlon was cut short is one of the saddest stories since the demise of the original Commodore - running a well put together Amithlon system is simply staggering and would win over even the most devout "classic" fan.
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I always felt sorry for Bernie because Amithlon was such an amazing product but he was treated so badly. If Amiga Inc had one brain cell between them they would have tried their hardest to get this product back on the shelf and financed even more updates. He deserved to become a wealthy man for his genius idea.
Such a great loss for the future of Amiga :(
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I always felt sorry for Bernie because Amithlon was such an amazing product but he was treated so badly. If Amiga Inc had one brain cell between them they would have tried their hardest to get this product back on the shelf and financed even more updates. He deserved to become a wealthy man for his genius idea.
Such a great loss for the future of Amiga :(
Agreed!
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Yes, very sad story for him.
And Amithlon 2 was very close to a release at the time too.
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I remember reading an interview about how it all ended and how Bernie had his fingers burnt so badly by the experience that he said something like he had moved all source files for improved update making it impossible even for some hacker to dial in and release it without his permission.
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Yes, very sad story for him.
And Amithlon 2 was very close to a release at the time too.
What improvements did Umilator (was it called that???) bring?
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What improvements did Umilator (was it called that???) bring?
http://www.umilator.net/blog/features.shtml
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http://www.umilator.net/blog/features.shtml
Thx
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I wonder if a bounty would be possible to release the amithlon sources. Seemed a bit of a tangled mess legally, but I dont recall who owned the sources. Same question of Umiliator. Apart from classics aros and amithlon/os3.9 have always been my drug of choice. Would be brilliant to be able to merge the 2 using aros kickstart replacement and big endian x86 to merge 68k and x86 seemlessly ala os4/mos. Granted it wont be as fast as "normal" LE x86, but amithlon using solely 68k code is competitive with os4 and mos running ppc code, so any extra speed it provides is just a bonus.
Has anyone seen the topic bought up before (if it'd be possible to obtain sources)? Id be interested to know if its worth pursuing.
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Wow, those videos of Bernie bring back memories, I was there when he was demoing Amithlon, went completely over my head, I gave him the game Foundation to try and see how it would go, after he had improved it, still crashed it, lol.
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Found this while reading up on the backstory of this disaster:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulators/hyperionblast.html
Wow.
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What a laughable argument, lose all commercial developers because Windows is available.
Windows is ALWAYS available. A Wndows PC is cheap enough to assume that you just have one. It's like assuming you have a screwdriver when you buy hardware.
What does hurt is having no affordable hardware and for many years, no hardware at all. I won't even go into how outdated the available hardware is at any price.
What are we left with using this strategy, less than a dozen commercial applications, most of which aren't actively being developed?
There are far more x86 developers, many of which would like a niche market to get away from windows competition, but aren't up for investing thousands of dollars to even test the waters.
When Amithlon was available, the last decent 3rd party development spike happened. Remember all the people adding specific x86 extensions?
It seems like having any stake in "the name" drops your IQ immediately, taking any business sense with it.
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Found this while reading up on the backstory of this disaster:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulators/hyperionblast.html
Wow.
I guess someone needs to tell Red Hat and IBM that it's impossible to make money on non-windows software.
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An ability to promote 3.9 on cheap hardware to a community that still remembered Amiga... Sounds like a crap idea. :insane:
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Found this while reading up on the backstory of this disaster:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulators/hyperionblast.html
Wow.
Ben Herman's was completely off regarding his comments on Mac OSX on X86. Not only did OSX migrate to the x86 platform, but it became a great success more so than if it had remained on PPC. The Amiga could have blazed the same path even before the Mac, with Amithlon as the bridge. Cheap and available hardware did not kill OSX. And the software developers did not abandon the Mac when it changed platforms. He was even wrong on Linux. Ubuntu and others have had quite a bit of success with Linux desktop. And quite a bit of native software was developed for it (OpenOffice, Firefox, Flash and Acrobat, Java). However, all was not lost. AROS has made incredible progress in developing an x86 Amiga environment. Every new release is more stable, faster, and feature rich. I really like the OWB browser on the latest release of Icaros Desktop.
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An ability to promote 3.9 on cheap hardware to a community that still remembered Amiga... Sounds like a crap idea. :insane:
yeah, nobody wants cheap computers
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What a laughable argument, lose all commercial developers because Windows is available.
A strange argument at best. 68k needed to die (according to some) and the 'players' involved made sure it did exactly that. PPC was the deemed future, not a much faster 68K running on widely available / inexpensive x86 hardware. (makes way too much sense) So since then, any major momentum in 68k was snuffed.
Meanwhile, 68k is still alive despite the 'players' wishes and their many actions. People run the original hardware or emulate it on a variety of hardware platforms. And it does still recieve software and hardware development! Many thanks to those continuing to make these things 68K things happen.
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Although there have been many retellings of the story, this one from Bernie is fairly complete:
October 7, 2007 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=24294&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#405227)
Keep in mind this is years before the AI/Hyperion settlement.
A bit more about a month later (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=24264&forum=8&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#411841)
More from July, 2008 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26480&forum=25#448560)
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