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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: haywirepc on April 15, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
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I installed my old aforever 2009 on an xp machine that I'm sure is sp2...
I get an error message saying I must upgrade the os. aforever player dosn't run. When I tried to just download the latest winuae I get this error message :
The procedure entry point decodepointer could not be located in the dynamic link library kernel32.dll.
I'd rather not reinstall a newer xp just to run this. Has anyone else encountered these problems and is there a fix that does not involved a reinstall of the entire host os?
Steven
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I'd rather not reinstall a newer xp just to run this. Has anyone else encountered these problems and is there a fix that does not involved a reinstall of the entire host os?
Just install the SP3 update?
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Three things cause that error,
1) Graphics card driver issues - Get the latest for your card
2) Directx out of date or corrupted - Install using the directx runtime from MS.
3) SP2 not installed. I highly recommend you install SP3 and all the updates.
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This system is out in my garage. No internet...
I managed to get it fixed using an older copy of winuae. Apparently somewhere along the upgrade path they require sp3 or newer direct x than that machine had...
I hate windows.... :rant:
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This system is out in my garage. No internet...
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I hate windows.... :rant:
Any OS without updates goes sour... windows is no exception.
WinXP SP3 download (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4)
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Piru bet me to it, all OS's need updates. Fix security issues, add new features. I'd install the updates the newer version of WinUAE and directx is worth it.
Download them to a flash drive or burn to disc if you want to go old school. :-)
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See there? Windows was the vacuum- not AF.
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http://news.softpedia.com/news/XP-SP2-XPiration-FAQ-147049.shtml
But starting on July 13th [2010,] XP SP2 will be just as unsupported as Windows 98.
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See there? Windows was the vacuum- not AF.
Exactly. I find the thread name stupid.
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Amiga Forever is an excellent product.
TrevorD
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Agreed. I have never once had issues with amiga forever. All your issues seem to revolve around the OS and not the software.
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Little bit off topic, but I discovered that ReactOS now runs Winuae. I only tried it very briefly, but I tried booting both games and Workbench off floppy, and had no real issues.
As both ReactOS, and AROS 68k mature the potential for fully legal live booting/installable distros gets pretty interesting in my opinion. Both OSes being open source makes it somehwat easier/cleaner to be able to make the Winuae host side as small as possible and have the installer also install the emulator and 68k OS files, make the few relevant customisations, and so on and so forth.
Hopefully someone taps that potential some time in the future.
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I'm not sure the problem is AF2k9 or Windows. I think it might be the user this time...
You know, WinUAE is a fantastic piece of software and Toni Wilen should be commended for his efforts considering it is free. I wish some of these people -especially the 'if you don't own real Amiga hardware you are a traitor to the memory Jay Miner' group- would take a long hard look in the mirror. Toni has done more to keep the memory of the Amiga alive and relevant in today's world than most of them combined.
I think Windows XP SP3 would help your AF2k9 problem. I believe that SP3 is ~300 meg so you could always download it somewhere else and transfer it on a USB Memory Stick.
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Amiga Forever still has a lot wrong with it, like the obfuscated adf images and encrypted ROM files.
It's just another example of how piracy can get you a more usable product than paying can.
Cloanto should know better.
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Don't. XP SP3 is for nobs in suits who have no clue. No software of note requires it, including WinUAE.
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Amiga Forever is an excellent product.
TrevorD
WinUAE is, AF specific bits written by Cloanto are not.
(if you own even a yellowed dead A500 you can legally download KS 1.3/2.04 and use the FREE WinUAE emulator they are charging you for)
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Don't. XP SP3 is for nobs in suits who have no clue. No software of note requires it, including WinUAE.
Yea, security fixes are for clueless nobs. :rolleyes:
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Yea, security fixes are for clueless nobs. :rolleyes:
Erm I have used this same SP2 machine since 2004 and surfed/downloaded everything everywhere so yes. Go ahead bloat up XP SP3 and reduce its responsiveness whilst still requiring 3rd party software to stop Windows getting its butt screwed at the hint of a TCP/IP link.
Only nobs think a Microsoft only security system will work....intelligent tech guys don't need SP3, never did.
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Where to start.. ;-)
Erm I have used this same SP2 machine since 2004 and surfed/downloaded everything everywhere so yes.
So, since you haven't had any problems, there are no problems to be had?
Interesting "security concept" there...
Only nobs think a Microsoft only security system will work....
Don't remember anyone saying that you should "only" use MS here..
intelligent tech guys don't need SP3, never did.
No, they don't "need" SP3..
But, most "intelligent" tech guys will tell you that you will be safer running SP3, as it fixes numerous security holes.
No security company will tell you, "Hey, use our product and you won't need MS updates!!"
Not to mention the stability fixes (that were already mentioned earlier). ;-)
Use SP3 or don't use SP3.
But let the "intelligent tech guys" speak for themselves...
(Not saying I am one, but I've read posts here already from some that I know are.)
desiv
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...Use SP3 or don't use SP3.
But let the "intelligent tech guys" speak for themselves...
(Not saying I am one, but I've read posts here already from some that I know are.)
Coming from a computer technician: WHAT!? You're still using XP? You should switch to Linux or Mac if you want security.
Also, if you choose Mac, always run it in USER-mode when online or you could get that worm that's going around for Macs. The way you do that is to make an account called Administrator that you give all the security privileges to, then turn the administrator privileges off on your user account. That way any time something fishy goes on it will ask you for an administrator's name and password thus offering the same security as most Linux distributions have by default.
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I am surprise that no one told him to run sfc in dos. System File checker- viruses and adware can delete dos commands trying to make it harder for you to delete them. also some uninstallers not written well can delete more than their software.
Microsoft Windows XP Syntax
SFC [/SCANNOW] [/SCANONCE] [/SCANBOOT] [/REVERT] [/PURGECACHE] [/CACHESIZE=x]
/SCANNOWScans all protected system files immediately./SCANONCEScans all protected system files once at the next boot./SCANBOOTScans all protected system files at every boot./REVERTReturn scan to default setting./PURGECACHEPurges the file cache./CACHESIZE=xSets the file cache size.
/SCANNOW Scans all protected system files immediately.
/SCANONCE Scans all protected system files once at the next boot.
/SCANBOOT Scans all protected system files at every boot.
/REVERT Return scan to default setting.
/PURGECACHE Purges the file cache.
/CACHESIZE=x Sets the file cache size.
best and free solution to stop this from happening is superantispyware, and MS security essentails.
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3) SP2 not installed. I highly recommend you install SP3 and all the updates.
Yeah sp3 has enough exploits as it is.. to run SP2 is asking for root kits and virus..
I run Amiga Forever with xp pro sp3 and it runs perfectly (though i barely use it as I prefer real amigas)
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People still running XP? Must we prove that we're a bunch of people left behind by history...
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People still running XP? Must we prove that we're a bunch of people left behind by history...
We're on amiga.org....
I don't think there's anything to prove really.. :laugh1:
desiv
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Many companies will run for about another 2 years until ms gives up all support. This is due to the number of apps they have. If you have 3000 apps and you need all of them to run do you upgrade and even lost 5% from running or do you stay with what you have. Even replacing 5% could cost millions. or do you slowly replace old apps with new old making sure everything work until you force to switch over. Ever time you switch out an app you need to retrain employees is it better to do all at once. In that case you have total confusion and no work being done or slowly to give employees a chance to learn the new systems.
Beleive me when I say the employees are dumb. Just had a ticket to fix a projector -the vga cable was not plugged in. Or a call from an employee that did not know what the power plug was!
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Amiga Forever still has a lot wrong with it, like the obfuscated adf images and encrypted ROM files.
It's just another example of how piracy can get you a more usable product than paying can.
Cloanto should know better.
Thank God someone mentioned that.
WinUAE is a great program.
Amiga Forever with its encrypted ROM files sucks.
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(http://i.imgur.com/KSE2r.gif)
amigaforever 1997-2012...
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Erm I have used this same SP2 machine since 2004 and surfed/downloaded everything everywhere so yes. Go ahead bloat up XP SP3 and reduce its responsiveness whilst still requiring 3rd party software to stop Windows getting its butt screwed at the hint of a TCP/IP link.
Only nobs think a Microsoft only security system will work....intelligent tech guys don't need SP3, never did.
In other news, Charlie Sheen has not been diagnosed with aids or had a heart attack...
That sort of lifestyle must be safe! Wooohoo coke and skanks for everyone!
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People still running XP? Must we prove that we're a bunch of people left behind by history...
Hi,
Just goes to prove what I have been saying all along, ya all ten years behind the times, just to give you an update, Windows has even surpassed Vista, they are using Windows 7 today, but they are working on Windows 8 and the beta version is out for you to test. So where does that leave XP, almost back in history with the Amiga. It is just that XP doesn't go back that far and is newer.
You all got to spend some money on getting newer equipmnet, and OS's.
By the way persia, prove what, that most of you are ancient, like the old smerf.
smerf
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Hi,
Just goes to prove what I have been saying all along, ya all ten years behind the times, just to give you an update, Windows has even surpassed Vista, they are using Windows 7 today, but they are working on Windows 8 and the beta version is out for you to test. So where does that leave XP, almost back in history with the Amiga. It is just that XP doesn't go back that far and is newer.
You all got to spend some money on getting newer equipmnet, and OS's.
By the way persia, prove what, that most of you are ancient, like the old smerf.
smerf
I don't know about Persia, Smerf, but I'll admit it. I'm ancient.
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WinUAE is, AF specific bits written by Cloanto are not.
(if you own even a yellowed dead A500 you can legally download KS 1.3/2.04 and use the FREE WinUAE emulator they are charging you for)
The bit written by Cloanto make WinUAE usable for most people.
The Retro Player is a great utility for automatically setting up the playing Classic Amiga games. I've also used it for running most of my classic Amiga productivity software (and I use Amiga Explorer to connect the PC to my Amiga and drag across the ADF file without messing with shell command - very simple. The RP9 wrapper makes it easy to create your own self contained executable files.
Of course if you have every single Amiga model and understand the intricacies of various Chipset, Ram, video modes and CPU settings,etc etc thensetting then perhaps AF is not for you.
But everyone to their own.
TrevorD
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That's gotta be one of the dumbest things Ive seen written for a while, and being that I frequent a lot of amiga sites there's plenty of competition.
XP+SP3 is no more bloated than SP2, it's more secure and more stable. I prefer it to any other MS OS. The only thing you miss out on apart from eye candy is directx 10.x upwards. Dont want all the bloat, fine dont install all the bloat, its not exactly rocket science. My XP+SP3 iso is significantly smaller than a default xp iso (ie. without sp1,2, or 3), and a heck of a lot more upto date and stable.
Only illiterate "nobs" (its knobs by the way) use default installs.
The "coming from a technician" remark was also funny. Ive been a technician for decades and I sure as heck wouldnt recommend osx or linux over Windows,... I'd recommend the best tool for the job which on any day could be any one of them.
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Just a note on on Xp SP2. I have one machine still on it--an old Sony Vaio Laptop that I use just for audio. It has a port replicator with normal RCA audio jacks and I have it hooked up to my stereo system for recording, Internet Radio and MP3 playback. I tried updating to SP3 and got audio glitches playing .mp3 files. It ended up being the fault of Internet Explorer 8, not SP3, but I never bothered reinstalling it. I'm still getting security updates for SP2 via automatic update in 2012. I update its virus definitions about once a year. I use the firewall/antivirus that Sony provided for it. No security issues ever. I do use it in user mode and only go into administrator mode to install software or updates which doesn't happen very often. I rarely even open a web browers on this laptop and the only internet app I use with regularly with it is Radiosure.
On the other hand the laptop I use for business, is SP3 with all updates and security fixes. I still use Xp because I have an industrial strengh printer/scanner setup that I need for my work and neither HP or Microsoft provide Windows 7 drivers for it. I really hate the upgrade for upgrade's sake culture. There are sensible upgrades and there are senseless ones based on a lot of hype and marketing. If you have a system that works for you that you've invested some money in, there is no point in upgrading it until it doesn't do the job it needs to do. This is why business users have stayed with Xp so long. If I upgraded this laptop to Windows 7, I would lose speed, hard disk space and access to periphials that are worth as much as the laptop. No point in it. I will use Windows 7 when I buy a machine that comes with it and I will probably still keep scanning and printing with this machine.
I've been using Winuae since around the year 2000. It is one of the best emulators ever and it is constantly improved.
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I installed SP3 on my XP setup 2 years ago, and it actually increased the speed of my internet connection (or network connection) by a significant amount. I was pleased with that and wished I had installed it earlier (I play online games).
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Don't. XP SP3 is for nobs in suits who have no clue. No software of note requires it, including WinUAE.
You do realize anything prior to SP3 is no longer supported, therefore leaving gaping holes in your security with the older service packs?
Never heard a more foolish comment in my life, to recommend running a less secure operating system version - even if it is a MS product, and all.
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I've got a PC set up wonderfully just the way I like it - running Windows XP-SP3. Pretty responsive for my needs and I've carefully set up all the video apps, emulators (WinUAE) etc., audio recording apps I use so that they are running perfectly. I does everything I need and more and I plan to keep using Windows XP for many more years, until it can't do what I need it to anymore.
I too hate the upgrade for upgrading's sake culture. Takes tons of time to get everything perfectly set up again.
I also use both WinUAE and Amiga Forever 2012. I like them both. WinUAE for when I want to set up a complete Amiga virtual system with all my productivity apps carefully tweaked, and Amiga Forever for quickly starting up single games.
I rarely used Amiga Forever's "Player" until the RP9 format was released. Now I really like it. A single file holds all the disks, screenshot, manual, and UAE configuration in a single wrapper. Games start up hassle free with a click.
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Windows 7 is far better than XP unless you are a computer historian and like running old OSs
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There are plenty of perfectly functional PCs that don't meet Windows 7's hardware requirements, especially when it comes to RAM.
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There are plenty of perfectly functional PCs that don't meet Windows 7's hardware requirements, especially when it comes to RAM.
Hi,
You have got to learn to give up the old and go with the new (I mean in PC's they are so cheap, you can buy one new modern up to date computer for about $200 less than an Amiga 4000).
smerf
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You have got to learn to give up the old and go with the new
That all depends what you want to do with the computer.
If it does what you need it to do with those specs, and it's not being used for anything critical...
Yes, you could spend a few hundred dollars to upgrade it to do what you are doing now..
Or you could not spend the few hundred dollars, and use it for Amiga purchases. ;-)
I have a fairly old PC (by today's standards) that does what I need.
Instead of upgrading that PC, I have an accelerated Amiga 1200 with a MAS Player Evolved (just got that today)....
I think, for me, that was a better choice for my money..
Yes, I still can't play on my PC, but I'm OK with that.
desiv
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I got it working fine using an older version of winuae. But I agree I can't stand aforever player and the encrypted roms. Hopefully, with aros 68k and the kickstart replacement, we won't need afroever anymore.
I don't like using the player, I just want games/demos loaded by the os.
I don't see much of use in throwing a 2.0ghz windows xp computer with 4 gigs away and buying a win7 computer. for most day to day tasks, xp is fine and win7 offers no major advantages, just bloat and bogging down your system.
If I'm just using it for winuae, its fine. This pc was free. I'm broke so I just have to use what I have around.
Steven
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You're much better off buying Amiga gear than a new PC: You'll defintely get your money back and maybe a return on your investment if you're a smart shopper. That new PC will be an old PC in no time and it won't be worth anything unlike an old Amiga.
If I'm just using it for winuae, its fine. This pc was free. I'm broke so I just have to use what I have around.
That's one reason I keep using Xp. People just give me their old Xp machines. The Vaio laptop with Xp Pro I use as a digital recever/tape deck came to me because the former owner couldn't remember the password and didn't want to bother with it any more. It had a system recovery partition and I restored the system which came with all kinds of cool software courtesy of Sony.
I have another IBM laptop of similar vintage which is devoted to Winuae and backing up and editing files for my satellite receivers. I bought a lot of 3 non working thinkpads and put one working one together out of it and got the parts to fix the other one I'm writing this on. Cost was something like $60. Not free but not much either.
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As I mentioned before, the only thing you really gain by upgrading beyond XP+SP3 is DX10+. Apart from that Win VIsta/Win7 only add unneccesary bloat and next to no functionality. Win XP is a nice balance between modern and streamlined. I like to know my OS and what its doing inside out, with my own customisations (why I like amiga oses) and XP isnt a bad option for that.
The only system I have that's running anything more recent is my media centre machine, but only because it's also my main gaming rig (i7-2600k/gf570gtx/etc.).
I have a couple other decent machines (core2duos@3.86ghz and 4.1ghz respectively) and theyre running XP, my preferred OS for "serious" work. An OS should be there just to guide/drive the software. It's freaking crazy for it to be the biggest, most resource hungry program running and XP has a big advantage here.
Even MS seem to be aware that XP is pretty good. If they didnt they wouldnt have enforced artificial restrictions on it (ie. techincally there's nothing that it cant run that's available to Vista/7 so they had to artificially restrict latest IE and DX, etc. from working). If they hadnt done that there'd be no reason for people to upgrade.
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Don't think it's a problem with the OS at all, just hasn't been updated. As with anything you need to maintain it.
However the thread title is incorrect.
As for the support dropping for XP, XP is too old now. It's been around since 2001 that's a very long time for an OS (let alone computer hardware).
I ditched XP as soon as Windows 7 was released, I know there are MS haters out there but Windows 7 is a huge leap forward. Faster than my XP build and more stable, even self repairing. Of course there are people out there trying to run 6+ year old hardware with it which is crazy.
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XP is still a completely viable OS, and as others stated, especially for older HW and in cases where it's simply not worth the $ to invest in W7. Just be aware support ends on it in 2014 (XP SP3) - SP support on SP1 and SP2 ended in 2006.
Honestly though, even on older machines that are of the XP era, I find Windows 7 to run on said hardware just as well as XP does, but you'll occasionally hit driver availability issues. I'm having that problem atm trying to find W7/WHS 2011 RAID drivers for a 680i (Asus P5N32 E SLI Plus) based board. XP drivers are readily available, but Win 7/WHS 2011 ones aren't.
As for AF, I think it delivers a good initial, easy to use experience - many people get back into the Amiga scene via Amiga Forever, but personally I have outgrown the encrypted ROM's and instability issues with it and just headed to standalone UAE or Amithlon.
I would not buy AF again myself, but I would not hesitate to recommend it to someone that just wants an emulated blast from the past in an all in one package.
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WinUAE + Classic WB, which I upgraded with my AmigaOS 3.9 disc. Fantast WHDLoad machine, also replaced the explorer shell with WinUAE and hid the PC box under the desk, non the wiser ;-)
Just about to flash the BIOS to hide the BIOS logo etc so should be good.
Having said that nothing beats sitting in front of my A500+ :-)
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You have to put into perspective that many large companies have a "corporate desktop" with a custom environment built around specific applications and tools- not to mention the adaptations of their network itself.
Microsoft cant even make their web browsers backward compatible and stable (or forward compatible most of the time) and large organizations spend enough just keeping the platform running on a daily basis to worry about migrating to another pointless round of years solving needless hurdles and bugs.
I work for a large company that still uses XP on modern hardware, and before this I worked for another very large company that still used OS/2, Netware, and AS/400's. (And TokenRing, while I'm at it)...
It's not about being trapped in antiquity- its about having a business to run first.
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Linux + FS-UAE ... working perfect here ;)
http://fengestad.no/wp/fs-uae
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The way I look at it - I'm far more productive on my "old" Windows XP system (and my "ancient" AmigaOS system) than most people are who keep up to date with the latest OSes.
I'm editing video, doing 3d and 2d graphics, desktop publishing, animation, composing and recording music, using a graphics tablet, trans-coding video from DV to MP4, DIVX, MPEG2, CAD work, etc. etc. etc. etc. on my old machines.
Most people I know who have the latest and greatest Windows 7 computers are just checking e-mail, facebook, listening to MP3s and watching the occasional downloaded movie. They will probably only use a fraction of the computing power they have on their desk/laps. On the other hand I may have less CPU cycles available, but I use it to its full potential.
Heck, I could probably get more done with a well set up and tweaked Windows 98 machine than most people do with their new computers.
I don't play many games - and I don't need to play the latest cutting edge games that require powerful hardware or the latest version of Windows. If and when I do get the inclination to play - I have THOUSANDS of really great games made during the last 30 years (C64, Amiga and slightly older PC games) to fill up my time. It would take years to play them all. Heck, I haven't even finished all the amazing Infocom text adventures or the original Ultima series yet!
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Amiga Forever still has a lot wrong with it, like the obfuscated adf images and encrypted ROM files.
It's just another example of how piracy can get you a more usable product than paying can.
Cloanto should know better.
"know better", like becoming pirates themselves?
The ROM files are not encrypted, they are just encoded. All Amiga emulators support that ROM encoding, because it was the way to be legal and accepted back in 1997. What do you have against that?
And what are "obfuscated adf images" please?
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WinUAE is, AF specific bits written by Cloanto are not.
What's wrong with those parts?
(if you own even a yellowed dead A500 you can legally download KS 1.3/2.04 and use the FREE WinUAE emulator they are charging you for)
This is an urban legend. You have to obey the law (and the license, if one came with the Amiga systems). By default, copyright laws do not allow copies unless authorized. Where does it say that you can copy the copyrighted software from one place and use it somewhere else? Even laws written to allow for backup copies do not cover such a case.
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This system is out in my garage. No internet...
I managed to get it fixed using an older copy of winuae. Apparently somewhere along the upgrade path they require sp3 or newer direct x than that machine had...
I hate windows.... :rant:
"No internet" is a good strategy to avoid malware. You wouldn't even need updates (if you also avoided installing new software). The problem in this case is that Microsoft dropped support for older versions of XP (without the service packs) in Visual Studio, which is the compiler used to build WinUAE and Amiga Forever. That's why new software requires SP2 or SP3. It's not the developers' choice, it is Microsoft imposing it.
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"No internet" is a good strategy to avoid malware. You wouldn't even need updates (if you also avoided installing new software). The problem in this case is that Microsoft dropped support for older versions of XP (without the service packs) in Visual Studio, which is the compiler used to build WinUAE and Amiga Forever. That's why new software requires SP2 or SP3. It's not the developers' choice, it is Microsoft imposing it.
XP is now ~ten years old. There have been three major updates (service packs for it) over the years, in order to make it easier for the end user to bring the system up to a definite level of security, reliability and performance (ie. they can be sure that all previously-released updates before that service pack have been integrated). If I had to venture a guess, I would say probably 90% of Windows XP's system files have been modified since RTM probably 5 or 6 times, and some many more times than that. Again, security updates are for the benefit of the end user.
When someone releases a piece of software, they need a definite testing platform for it, partly for their own sanity and partly for the benefit of the end user. Can you imagine what it would be like if Windows was still like Windows 95, where to get effective/ideal dial-up Internet, you had to apply 6 or 7 patches in a particular order in order for it to work?
Anyone familiar with software development would also know that regressions sometimes occur when modifying a piece of software for whatever reason. Imagine having to support all of those regressions as well.
Microsoft saying that a certain service pack level for XP isn't supported any more is as much for their own sanity as it is for third party developers and end users. If they were to support XP at all service pack levels their test routines would expand by an order of magnitude, as would the test routines of all third party developers, because the end user would expect that, and users on forums would be saying "Microsoft support this, so developer x is only being awkward because they feel like it!".
"It should have been perfect to begin with, dammit!"
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XP is now ~ten years old. If I had to venture a guess, I would say probably 90% of Windows XP's system files have been modified since RTM probably 5 or 6 times, and some many more times than that. Again, security updates are for the benefit of the end user.
I wonder if there will be a way, when support for XP is over in 2013, to buy a "final" version of XP - with all the updates ever released incorporated into it.
That way if someone did a fresh in stall of Windows XP in the year 2016, for instance, they don't have to download all the updates released up to 2013 (assuming the Microsoft servers even still host the XP updates after 2013).
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There will probably be some unofficial support from sources other than Microsoft. That is happening with Windows 98.
I did point out in an earlier post that I'm getting some updates still for Xp SP2 even though MS has officially ended support. They might still host the archived updates for Xp after the support period ends. Probably in one big download. That is the status of Windows 2000, as I remember.
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I wonder if there will be a way, when support for XP is over in 2013, to buy a "final" version of XP - with all the updates ever released incorporated into it.
That way if someone did a fresh in stall of Windows XP in the year 2016, for instance, they don't have to download all the updates released up to 2013 (assuming the Microsoft servers even still host the XP updates after 2013).
I still use Windows98 on an old laptop for work. You can actually get all of the updates ever produced for 98 all in one download here:
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
More projects here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/91-windows-9x-member-projects/
KernalEX lets you run WinXP software on 98...
Another is Revolutions Pack:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/131040-revolutions-pack-9/
This makes Windows98 look like Windows Vista or XP or 7.
I can only guess that in 5 years time there will be the same passion surrounding XP as what people still show in 98 today!
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@paul1981
That's quite cool. Not that I use either Win9x or Winuae much, but do you happen to know if Winuae will run on a Win9x system with all the above updates? It (Win9x) is much easier to strip back to the nth degree to use as a host for an emulated system. Could be pretty nice for those people that like to have dedicated WinUAE boxes.
ReactOS is a decent option, but not yet as fast as it could be.
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@paul1981
That's quite cool. Not that I use either Win9x or Winuae much, but do you happen to know if Winuae will run on a Win9x system with all the above updates? It (Win9x) is much easier to strip back to the nth degree to use as a host for an emulated system. Could be pretty nice for those people that like to have dedicated WinUAE boxes.
ReactOS is a decent option, but not yet as fast as it could be.
I'm afraid I haven't installed KernalEx, so I can't say yes or no whether the latest WinUAE will work or not, but I do have all other updates installed.
I actually use WinUAE 1.4.6 (2008.02.02) which was the last version available that supports Windows 98 (file name WinUAE1460.zip).
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"winuae woes.... And why amiga forever sucks... "
Quite possibly the most asinine statement ever uttered by man...
So Amig Forever sucks because you can't get it to work on your PC, running outdated versions of XP, with no way to update it and obtain proper drivers or patching ...
You sir.. Are an idiot... And I know all about idiots as I am a PC tech and have to work with people just as ridiculous as you on a daily basis...
GOOD FRIGGIN GOD
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Linux + FS-UAE ... working perfect here ;)
http://fengestad.no/wp/fs-uae
huh, I wasn't familiar with that. I'll have to give it a shot, just in case the 1200 goes tits up.
Thanks for posting
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Quite possibly the most asinine statement ever uttered by man...
So Amig Forever sucks because you can't get it to work on your PC, running outdated versions of XP, with no way to update it and obtain proper drivers or patching ...
You sir.. Are an idiot... And I know all about idiots as I am a PC tech and have to work with people just as ridiculous as you on a daily basis...
GOOD FRIGGIN GOD
The aforever I purchased (I think it was 2009 edition) worked perfectly fine on xp sp2 from a fresh install which is what the machine was running. (XPsp2)
After install when its working...
AFOREVER attempts to force you to upgrade to the lastest aforever, which includes their retroplatform garbage and other bloat, I didn't want... Once upgraded... The upgrade makes it no longer run on your machine. Thats bad programming period. Hey this works... Lets make the user upgrade so it dosn't work on this computers os anymore! :rolleyes:
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I should have mentioned also... I just realized someone from aforever pmed me here, gave me a free aforever 2012upgrade and asked me if I could install it on an xp3 machine and give feedback... So I retract my statement that it sucks. At least they stand by their software, which is more than I can say for most amiga people.
They explained why I needed to install xp3 and dx upgrades first. Fair enough.
I am right now installing it on a properly os updated vista machine right now.
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For the fellow that is running an old XP install on the machine stuck in a garage with no networking, you can always download the service packs from MS and dump them on a USB stick, portable drive or optical media and upgrade that way. SP's have always been available for standalone download for people like me that do networked/enterprise bulk/batch updating, people that generally find Windows Update abhorrent, lol. Also very handy for fresh installs via nLite installations, you can simply add all SP's to an original, older OS disk to skip the Win Update gibberish. SP3 is such a better experience, it just boggles my mind why people would put off patching up to it.
As for Amiga Forever, I tried the latest version earlier today and I was quite pleasantly surprised at how nice it was. Most, if not all of my previous complaints with the circa AF 2009 version I purchased way back when have been cleaned right up and I suffered none of the problems I have in the past.
Was completely a treat to use, and I've never been shy about listing my gripes about the earlier versions.
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AFOREVER attempts to force you to upgrade to the lastest aforever, which includes their retroplatform garbage and other bloat, I didn't want... Once upgraded... The upgrade makes it no longer run on your machine. Thats bad programming period. Hey this works... Lets make the user upgrade so it dosn't work on this computers os anymore! :rolleyes:
I don't know the specifics of your situation, but that' not all that uncommon.
Lots of software updates itself, and it's not uncommon for those updates to break something (that software, or other software, or the OS)...
It would be awesome if it never happened, but it does...
At work, that's why we have test machines that get all our deploys/updates first..
At home, when it happens, that's when I uninstall and re-install.
(Or if you have Restore points, those can work sometimes..)
It's the nature of the beast..
No software is perfect. When it happens, it's unfortunate, but its not necessarily bad software..
And sometimes it's not "that software" that is the problem, but something else, and that install is just the trigger...
Windows ("dll hell" is a phrase that comes to mind, but it's not just that) is incredibly complicated....
As I've said in the past on other forums, if the only reason for AmigaForever is to decrease the number of people posting "I need a Workbench ROMz," then it's worth it to the Amiga community..
;-)
desiv
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Yes just gave it a test drive and i like it....
Walker prototype? Awesome. Adding AROS was nice too...
Steven
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It would be kinda cool for them to add MorphOS, but i guess that is a paid OS
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It would be kinda cool for them to add MorphOS, but i guess that is a paid OS
morphos needs PPC which WinUAE does not support.
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but didn't some of the the original Amigas use PPC based CPUs along side the motorola ones?
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but didn't some of the the original Amigas use PPC based CPUs along side the motorola ones?
Commodore never made a PPC amiga. Phase 5 and later DCE made trapdoor CPU upgrades (with both CPUs) for the 1200 and CPU slot upgrades for the 3000/4000.
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oh, i see, thanks for clearing that up, but it would be cool none-the-less.
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And what are "obfuscated adf images" please?
I can't even tell what game is what from the filenames that they assigned.
It's retarded, and so is encrypting the ROMs that can be found on google in seconds. If you pay for access to the ROMs, you have to jump through hoops to do anything with them. If you just grab them from the net,you don't.
I don't like paying for inconvenience.
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It's retarded, and so is encrypting the ROMs that can be found on google in seconds.
I always thought that the encrypting of the ROMs was because of licensing.
Something they "had to do," not chose to do...
A way of being able to distribute the ROMs to be used only for emulation...
And they aren't encrypted really; they are just encoded.
As for the filenames, just remember that they are designing an "easy-to-use" system.
That type of thing generally involves doing things like that to keep people from poking too much and breaking things... (And generating support tickets)
A large percentage of their target market will only ever use the interface, so it makes sense to keep it from being poked at...
They could have encrypted and signed the ADFs to keep serious techs out..
They didn't. They just obfuscated them a bit, to protect from finger poking...
desiv
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Commodore never made a PPC amiga. Phase 5 and later DCE made trapdoor CPU upgrades (with both CPUs) for the 1200 and CPU slot upgrades for the 3000/4000.
True, but Commodore died before PowerPC was developed at all.
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AFOREVER attempts to force you to upgrade to the lastest aforever, which includes their retroplatform garbage and other bloat, I didn't want... Once upgraded... The upgrade makes it no longer run on your machine. Thats bad programming period. Hey this works... Lets make the user upgrade so it dosn't work on this computers os anymore! :rolleyes:
Are you sure you can't just disable the update module so that AForever doesn't look for updates?
I'm pretty sure you can. If not through a simple setting in Amiga Forever, then through your startup in msconfig (there is a program that Cloanto uses to search for updates that is put in the startup). I can't remember what the name of the program is at the moment, but if you do a search for updates from one of AForever Player's menus, this program will open up and you can see what it is called. I think it is called RetroPlatform or something like that.
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I can't even tell what game is what from the filenames that they assigned.
What's so difficult or "retarded" about names like "Rage (Mark Sheeky, 1994, Amiga).rp9"?
I find these quite easy to understand.
It's retarded, and so is encrypting the ROMs that can be found on google in seconds.
If you have Amiga Forever, these ROM files are right in front of you (select Open Amiga Files from the menu), with a rom.key file. They are not trying to hide them, Amiga Forever has a menu command made for accessing these files! There are even instructions:
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-110
So they are giving you a command to access the ROM files, and instructions for the same, and you are claiming that they are hiding them from you?
Also, there is no "encryption". You can use these files in any emulator like (Win)UAE and (Win)Fellow, as long as you also copy the rom.key file. This may seem "retarded" to you, but it's what made Amiga emulation legal and accepted, and all emulators since 1997 support it.
And there is also a special set of ROM files for WHDLoad use in the Workbench 3.X configuration. What would you want more? Do you know what you are talking about? Because it doesn't seem like it.
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Are you sure you can't just disable the update module so that AForever doesn't look for updates?
Indeed:
Options/Check for updates on startup
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I can't even tell what game is what from the filenames that they assigned.
OK, finally tried AmigaForever...
First, I'm not sure what your looking at...
In the folder with the game files, I see the game names in the filenames.
They look like:
Cyberblast (Innerprise Software, 1992, Amiga).rp9
(I retyped that, so I'm not saying there's no typos!!)
I can easily tell what the game is based on those names.
(Older version didn't do that or ???)
Secondly, I'm impressed so far..
Not sure what I was expecting, but this appears to be a very nicely put together package from my few tests...
(Yes, it's based on a lot of Toni's work. Not arguing. Just talking about the AmigaForever specific bits.)
For the beginner/newbie, this looks really great (as I always thought it would be).
For the more advanced user, the configs seem to be fairly easily accessible and cover most options needed..
Again, only a brief look so far, but it's a nice looking package.
I really like the addition of AmiKit and AmigaSys (And AROS). I haven't looked at those yet... (Classic WB would be nice as well. That's what I use on my Amiga 1200.)
I love the docs and VIDs being included.
Decent selection of games to start, some more popular ones included.
What would be awesome (not sure why I'm saying this now, other than it just popped into my head) would be an "app store" (tm) type of feature.
So, someone wants to sell an Amiga game (I know, but you never know.)
Say Babylonian Twins wanted to do that.
So, you have an "add" function, and there's a list of more available. Some free, some not. So you can select Babylonion Twins for $5. Paypal checkout, and it DLs to your system. (And for those that want to, they can export the ADF for their real Amigas...)
Just thinking out loud, but this looks to be a nice place to do that..
Maybe not..
Wish I had more time to play with it. Hopefully this weekend..
desiv
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Hi,
@desiv,
If you have a CD or a harddrive that you keep your adf files on, you can just click on a game and it will start up and run off that drive. Another cool thing is if you have a game that you like playing like Elvira (5 disks) AF see's it and loads it in on a 4 drive set up. It then asks you to eject a disk and insert disk 5 on the 5th one, sometimes it does all 5 but I haven't figured out why. (I do come to amiga.org you know, so I really aren't that smart).
smerf
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Cloanto must want some of us more vocal posters to give their product a whirl (since they gave me a free copy a few days ago).
I will say this, Amiga Forever has drastically improved since the last time I looked at it.
As long as you don't need any legacy hardware add-ons (like a Video Toaster), this package rocks!
So far, its worked with virtually everything I've thrown at it.
And the performance on my quad core PC is startling.
If running legacy software is your primary mission, then this package has an edge over running Amiga titles under an NG OS.
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I can easily tell what the game is based on those names.
(Older version didn't do that or ???)
Apparently. I think the last version I tried was 2008.
After that, I just went with generic winuae and never looked back.
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New woes...
How do i rename the kickstart roms or whatever so whdload works? I am either missing some, or as I recall, some of them need to be renamed or copied.
Also, I left for 7 hours and left the os3.x screen up. There's no screen saver built in. Blanker as I recall just blanks. whats a good screen saver I can use instead?
Steven
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New woes...
How do i rename the kickstart roms or whatever so whdload works? I am either missing some, or as I recall, some of them need to be renamed or copied.
Also, I left for 7 hours and left the os3.x screen up. There's no screen saver built in. Blanker as I recall just blanks. whats a good screen saver I can use instead?
Steven
Why doesn't your PC screen saver kick in Steven?
BTW - I didn't notice before how close you are.
When I attend rock concerts I usually go to Philly.
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How do i rename the kickstart roms or whatever so whdload works? I am either missing some, or as I recall, some of them need to be renamed or copied.
You don't need to, as WHDLoad-ready ROM and RTB files are included:
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-120
Mike
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Don't these have to be copied into the os3.x install somewhere?
Iggy, Yes I'm in Philadelphia, right near center city...
Steven
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Don't these have to be copied into the os3.x install somewhere?
They are preinstalled already (and so is WHDLoad), so there is no need to copy or rename. You can see the article linked to a few posts back for more details.
It would be kinda cool for them to add MorphOS, but i guess that is a paid OS
Paid or not paid, PowerPC or another CPU isn't really the issue. If the OS publisher/developer is open to distribution in Amiga Forever, and if there is an emulation engine that can be supported (e.g. PearPC), then anything is possible. Apple's Rosetta software demonstrated in 2006 that good PowerPC emulation on x86 is feasible. In the meantime Moore's law keeps working on the side of emulation. The RetroPlatform framework as used in Amiga Forever was written from the grounds up to interface with different emulation components, so having a 68K part and a PowerPC one is possible (although a hybrid might be more desirable).
The main limit I see is the small market. That's why our resources are so limited, and every customer, every word of support or piece of feedback, and even the occasional "sucks" post, can all make a big difference.
Another cool thing is if you have a game that you like playing like Elvira (5 disks) AF see's it and loads it in on a 4 drive set up. It then asks you to eject a disk and insert disk 5 on the 5th one, sometimes it does all 5 but I haven't figured out why. (I do come to amiga.org you know, so I really aren't that smart).
I am not sure about this. Given the Amiga limit of four floppy drives, I don't see how Amiga Forever could insert five disks at the same time. However, it could have used a hard disk to boot, while also using four non-bootable floppy disks in the respective drives. In any case, if the five (or more) disks are listed in the Media tab of the game's configuration (right-click the title and select Edit), then the disk images will be listed for easy insertion in the floppy drive menu (in the playback window).
Cloanto must want some of us more vocal posters to give their product a whirl (since they gave me a free copy a few days ago).
Yes, to the risk of encouraging more "Amiga Forever sucks" threads, I sent download links to some amiga.org friends who posted in this one thread. Feedback from actual users, especially highly proficient (and often critical) ones as seen here, is always welcome. The problem is when a "sucks" thread has little foundation in actual facts. That only hurts.
I believe that questions from previous posts have now been answered. If not, feel free to follow up, or to provide feedback. We've been working on this project for many years, and improving it is still a full-time job.
Mike
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Oh I'm using the older version I think amiga forever 2009. I loaded a big whdload games collection. It keeps asking for different roms on some attempts to load games...
Maybe I can copy the folder from the 2012 install to my older xp install?
Steven
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Also are there some usb joysticks that work well with aforever out of the box besides the competition pro usb?
I have an retroinc nes controller and I'm having a hard time getting the second button to work for some reason.
I used to have a competition pro usb (it broke and I tossed it), that worked with aforever right out of the box with both buttons. I suppose I should order another one?
Having a good time anyway with my new emulation station... But I'd have more fun if all the games loaded and the joystick worked for 2 button games.
Steven
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Got to try the latest thanks to MCB/Mike. Very good package all built around WinUAE really tightly.
Systems all listed and configured i.e. A500, Amikit etc.
I'm very impressed, stuck some photos in my gallery on here :-)
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Oh I'm using the older version I think amiga forever 2009. I loaded a big whdload games collection. It keeps asking for different roms on some attempts to load games...
Maybe I can copy the folder from the 2012 install to my older xp install?
Steven
The ROMS are all there it's just looking for a certain name. Happens with any WHDload game even on a real amiga.
Just need to copy the ROM into DHO : Devs/Kickstarts
Then name the ROM the same as the RTB file in that location
So for the Amiga 500 kick 1.2 you would name the ROM file kick33180.a500
Having said that haven't had that issue with Amiga Forever. Just worked straight out of the box, even my copy of 2009 :-)
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Maybe I can copy the folder from the 2012 install to my older xp install?
After installation the WHDLoad ROMs are inside Amiga Files/Shared/dir/System/Devs/kickstarts. You can select Open Amiga Files from the Tools menu to access Amiga Files, which is inside your Documents on Windows.
As there are big differences in general usability and for power users between the 2012 version and any previous version, I'd encourage you to try and upgrade the existing installation (now that you have the links to the stand-alone SP3 and DirectX downloads). Just make a backup of the existing Amiga Files, in case you modified the default configurations.
I have to admit that I too started using Amiga Forever much more with the 2012 version. Before, complex configurations could only managed by using .uae files. But now I find it better with the Editor, which writes the changes as XML data into the RP9 manifest. It is easier, highly editable, and it takes into account portability and long-term stability.
Also are there some usb joysticks that work well with aforever out of the box besides the competition pro usb?
Any Windows-compatible joystick should work. What is the second button supposed to do (it's not autofire, is it?), and can you tell me one game where it doesn't work (and what it should do)?
Mike
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I'm very impressed, stuck some photos in my gallery on here :-)
Thanks for the gallery and the feedback there.
If you run Amiga Forever and select Check for Updates from the Help menu, and then install the update that was released today, does it automatically close the Amiga Forever player window?
The general rule is that if the update was invoked from inside the player, it should close the player.
The following is now unrelated, but I thought that it could be helpful to share with such an expert audience, as it involves the preservation of original Amiga configurations, which are often still stored on aging hard disks. Isn't this something that our friends sometimes ask us to help with? I too have all my former A3000 and other configurations imaged and accessible in Amiga Forever, inclusive of a recognizable preview screenshot. These articles link to free tools and step-by-step instructions for creating images from original disks, and using them in Amiga Forever:
Amiga SCSI and IDE Devices: Disk Image Files and Direct Access
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/15-113
Referencing External Content in RP9 Files
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/19-112
System Configuration Import Checklist
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-132
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I agree that the changes to Amiga Forever 2011-2012 were a game changer for me.
I use it a lot more now, with improvements and added ability to easily edit RP9 files.
The other great thing about the improved RP9 editing options is the ability to configure the emulation screen position and size. Before, I always would use UAE instead of RP9 when setting up games, because older versions of Amiga Forever would not size the game screen properly in fullscreen mode on my monitor.
The newer versions of Amiga Forever do this very well now, and I can tweak different screensize settings and save them in the RP9 - so all games look good now on my monitor.
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I got the PM with the link, downloaded it and gave it a brief run. I'm impressed. It is very well done and easy to use. It did mess with my existing Winuae installation a bit--changed the default paths to the Amiga Forever paths. I changed them back and now they seem to co-exist without affecting each other. It has no problems running on an older Centrino laptop with XP SP3. Runs fine in user mode with no issues so far. I'm not likely to use it exensively. I use real Amigas whenever I can and use Winuae when I want the convenience of a laptop or for doing CPU intensive image processing that would take forever on an 030 or 040 Amiga. Still, it's a nice gift and I'm happy to say that it is a class piece of software for anyone who wants the Amiga experience and doesn't want to mess with real Amiga hardware or take the time to put a Winuae system together from all the different pieces it requires.
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It is very well done and easy to use. It did mess with my existing Winuae installation a bit--changed the default paths to the Amiga Forever paths. I changed them back and now they seem to co-exist without affecting each other.
Thanks for the post. Amiga Forever does not write to the WinUAE registry or other settings files. Perhaps what happened in your case is the opposite: WinUAE, not being configured otherwise, autodetected "Amiga Files", so it started looking there? Then, as soon as you set WinUAE to a specific path, it followed your preference.
Mike
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If you run Amiga Forever and select Check for Updates from the Help menu, and then install the update that was released today, does it automatically close the Amiga Forever player window?
Yep that works fine, just had that issue during the install :-) Really enjoying the product :-)