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Operating System Specific Discussions => MorphOS => MorphOS -- Hardware requirements and availability discussion => Topic started by: AmigaClassicRule on April 15, 2012, 07:48:44 AM
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I have just one thing to say, i received the mac mini and did a fresh installation of MorphOS and one thing I have to say about this OS is this:
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I LOVE IT! I love the sexy blue look, the feel, the speed, performance, the simplicity and the fact it have My MorphOS like My Computer in Windows XP and above.
I finally was able to watch a movie on an Amiga and I have to say this, I treat MorphOS as a real Amiga as I would treat my Amiga 1200. And I believe MorphOS is as real of an Amiga as AmigaOS 4.1 is an AmigaOS. I love the operating system and I personally feel it is a serious OS not just a toy.
The only downside I have with it is that there is no laptop version of MorphOS and it is restricted to Mac Mini G4 PPC. Now if the intention is never to migrate it to x86 I am not going to complain all I ask is that migrate it to PPC G5, where a 550 dollars worth of the old Macintosh desktop G5 with duo-co processor and can have 16 Gb of RAM and it is a desktop PC where I can upgrade it with expansions instead of the restrictions of Mac Mini G4.
But personally I want it for the laptop, at the end of the month I am going to register MorphOS and become a long term MorphOS user.
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Good to hear you like it and I agree with your feelings :)
But it isn't restricted just to Mac mini G4, there's support for PowerMac G4 (more expandable towers), eMac (1.25GHz), Pegasos I & II (expandable) and Efika too.
And next version of MorphOS will work on PowerBook G4/1.67GHz laptops too!
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:knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel:
I LOVE IT!
Welcome to the club! :)
The Mac Mini is very sexy HW! So small and good looking, yet about as powerful as PPC based HW gets! And with MorphOS it is awesome! :D
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Have morphos installed on a PowerMac G4 1GHz DP quicksilver. With a little help here and on Morphzone I've installed an SB live card/pack ultimate and grunch, just waiting on my USB card (taking forever!) so I can have more than two USB.
About a month in using Morphos the OS works great, but haven't used it for awhile have been tinkering with my WinUAE box. Can't wait for MorphOS 3.0.
Anyway welcome to the club :-)
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Have morphos installed on a PowerMac G4 1GHz DP quicksilver. With a little help here and on Morphzone I've installed an SB live card/pack ultimate and grunch, just waiting on my USB card (taking forever!) so I can have more than two USB.
Why you just don't use USB hub(s) meanwhile/instead? There's cheap hubs everywhere or if you want cleaner solution there are monitors with usb hub (I love those) or even some Mac keyboards with hubs.
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Why you just don't use USB hub(s) meanwhile/instead? There's cheap hubs everywhere or if you want cleaner solution there are monitors with usb hub (I love those) or even some Mac keyboards with hubs.
$5 US including shipping for a 5 port USB PCI card? Cheap, clean and tidy no silly hub on the desk :-)
Have a monitor with a USB hub/card reader built in but it's not for my MorphOS box and it costs more than $5 ;-)
As for using a Mac keyboard ugh, bad enough using a Mac machine. Also most good PC keyboards have USB hubs too :-)
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I have just one thing to say, i received the mac mini and did a fresh installation of MorphOS and one thing I have to say about this OS is this:
:knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel:
I LOVE IT! I love the sexy blue look, the feel, the speed, performance, the simplicity and the fact it have My MorphOS like My Computer in Windows XP and above.
I finally was able to watch a movie on an Amiga and I have to say this, I treat MorphOS as a real Amiga as I would treat my Amiga 1200. And I believe MorphOS is as real of an Amiga as AmigaOS 4.1 is an AmigaOS. I love the operating system and I personally feel it is a serious OS not just a toy.
The only downside I have with it is that there is no laptop version of MorphOS and it is restricted to Mac Mini G4 PPC. Now if the intention is never to migrate it to x86 I am not going to complain all I ask is that migrate it to PPC G5, where a 550 dollars worth of the old Macintosh desktop G5 with duo-co processor and can have 16 Gb of RAM and it is a desktop PC where I can upgrade it with expansions instead of the restrictions of Mac Mini G4.
But personally I want it for the laptop, at the end of the month I am going to register MorphOS and become a long term MorphOS user.
Welcome aboard. MorphOS is great and it's about to get even better when MorphOS 3.0 is released. I have a Powerbook G4 1139 desperately waiting for it :D
Cheers,
Dragster.
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Welcome aboard. MorphOS is great and it's about to get even better when MorphOS 3.0 is released. I have a Powerbook G4 1139 desperately waiting for it :D
Cheers,
Dragster.
I want to thank you all for your welcome response :D I am so excited to hear that will be a laptop port of MorphOS I believe in the laptop version is where I would REALLY love using it. I can take my laptop around, listen to MP3, watch videos, chat live, checking email and all of this would give me great pleasure doing it through MorphOS more than any other OS. And who knows perhaps when I am sitting on the buss and someone looks at my shoulder and see MorphOS and they find this sexy system they start asking what it is and perhaps they will download the trail version and who knows my become another MorphOS user.
My biggest dream or looking forward that MorphOS becomes as big as Mac OS X and have as much as software library as MacOS X with all the essential programs and games....then I can easily say the alternative to Windows is MorphOS and not Linux or Mac.
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The $5 NEC USB card is a big improvement over a USB hub. First, its USB 2.0, second some (like the one I have) have an internal connector as well as the connectors on the back of the card.
And MorphOS does feel very Amiga-like. After thinking about it, I decided to pick up Hyperion's ports of HereticII and QuakeII as they will run under MorphOS.
I've already moved to and R360 based video card (and await hardware accelerated 3D drivers). I've also ordered an SIL3512 based SATA disk controller card for MorphOS 3.0.
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Glad to hear you are enjoying it!
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Maybe there is enough MorphOS users out there now (?) to start up a MorphOS User-Forum (intstad of having to post on Amiga-Forums)!?
For example: http://www.morph.org
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Maybe there is enough MorphOS users out there now (?) to start up a MorphOS User-Forum (intstad of having to post on Amiga-Forums)!?
For example: http://www.morph.org
You mean this one (http://www.morphzone.org)? :)
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You mean this one (http://www.morphzone.org)? :)
Absolutely!
But why should we limit ourselves to Morphzone when our OS will run so many Amiga titles?
But we should post our topic here.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=49
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@AmigaClassicRule
Congrats, glad to hear you're enjoying it. I also agree about it being as amiga as OS4.x. In my humble opinion anything post AOS3.x (AROS/MOS/OS4.x) is equally "amiga", all different perspectives/methods of building the great foundations set by 3.x. Even though amiga os and derivitives are a little dated in some ways there's some great ideas and features that are definately worth preserving and advancing so I for one are happy that there's 3 different ongoing efforts to do so.
@Nicsoft
There's Morphzone.org, which is what youre asking about I think :)
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Welcome aboard! :)
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Which is better for MorphOS
A Power mac FW800 MDD with dual 1.42 GHz processors
or a 1.5 Ghz Mac Mini?
Can MorphOS use dual processors? In theory AmigaOS should, as it is preemptively multitasks. However I have never seen dual processors implemented in AmigaOS that way.
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Which is better for MorphOS
A Power mac FW800 MDD with dual 1.42 GHz processors
or a 1.5 Ghz Mac Mini?
Want Big box, room for HDD's etc, ability to expand and ability to get top notch CPU card replacements? Then go for the PowerMac!
Want a tiny, sleek and sexy box that has every thing most people would need inside the case, and a CPU that outperforms many of the PPC's out there? Then go for Mac Mini!
Can MorphOS use dual processors? In theory AmigaOS should, as it is preemptively multitasks. However I have never seen dual processors implemented in AmigaOS that way.
No it can never get true SMP, has nothing to do with multitasking, but due to certain Amiga design characteristics. Changing this will mean breaking the Amiga.
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I have just one thing to say, i received the mac mini and did a fresh installation of MorphOS and one thing I have to say about this OS is this:
:knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel::knuddel:
I LOVE IT! I love the sexy blue look, the feel, the speed, performance, the simplicity and the fact it have My MorphOS like My Computer in Windows XP and above.
I finally was able to watch a movie on an Amiga and I have to say this, I treat MorphOS as a real Amiga as I would treat my Amiga 1200. And I believe MorphOS is as real of an Amiga as AmigaOS 4.1 is an AmigaOS. I love the operating system and I personally feel it is a serious OS not just a toy.
The only downside I have with it is that there is no laptop version of MorphOS and it is restricted to Mac Mini G4 PPC. Now if the intention is never to migrate it to x86 I am not going to complain all I ask is that migrate it to PPC G5, where a 550 dollars worth of the old Macintosh desktop G5 with duo-co processor and can have 16 Gb of RAM and it is a desktop PC where I can upgrade it with expansions instead of the restrictions of Mac Mini G4.
But personally I want it for the laptop, at the end of the month I am going to register MorphOS and become a long term MorphOS user.
HMMMMPH!!!
Another traitor to the Amiga, have you tried printing a picture yet, bet you can't do it, what sort or SPECIAL PRINTER do you need to print with.
Have you tried recording audio, or how about using Kindle to read a book?
Bet you can't play Windows games.
Can you buy new software for it at the local software store or Steam?
I know there has to be a party pooper somewhere, and I guess I am it.
Glad to hear you are enjoying it. God why do I have such morality problems in using a MAC.
I will not go over to the dark side no matter what you Mac fanboys say.
smerf
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@smerf:
I don't see what a piece of Amazon hardware has to do with MorphOS, or any other OS for that matter.
And it's unsurprising that an Amiga-like OS doesn't run Windows programs.
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Want Big box, room for HDD's etc, ability to expand and ability to get top notch CPU card replacements? Then go for the PowerMac!
Want a tiny, sleek and sexy box that has every thing most people would need inside the case, and a CPU that outperforms many of the PPC's out there? Then go for Mac Mini!
No it can never get true SMP, has nothing to do with multitasking, but due to certain Amiga design characteristics. Changing this will mean breaking the Amiga.
Does anyone know: Will MorphOS be supporting g5 processors in version 3.0?
It does effect if one will rather go for a big box mac or a mac mini.
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@motormoth
no g5 support in 3.0 and possibly never
@amigaclassicrule
congratulations and good nickname =)
@smerf
shut up moron
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Which is better for MorphOS
A Power mac FW800 MDD with dual 1.42 GHz processors
or a 1.5 Ghz Mac Mini?
Can MorphOS use dual processors? In theory AmigaOS should, as it is preemptively multitasks. However I have never seen dual processors implemented in AmigaOS that way.
No SMP support in Amiga (or Amiga like) OS' yet. Although MorphOS' kernel can support more then one processor.
A dual FW800 1.42 GHz Powermac is better then a 1.5 GHz Mac Mini because the Powermac uses a 7455 processor with an L3 cache and the Mac Mini uses a 7447 processor with no L3 cache.
Also, you can expand a Powermac in ways you can't a Mac Mini (better video cards, sound cards, USB 2.0 cards, and once 3.0 is released SATA cards).
@smerf
shut up moron
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Hey Smerf,
I use an HP inkjet printer with MorphOS.
It works fine and it was cheap.
Many of the printers supported by MorphOS can be had on Ebay. Some starting at about $25.
Its a lot easier then finding a printer that supports legacy Amigas.
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Maybe there is enough MorphOS users out there now (?) to start up a MorphOS User-Forum (intstad of having to post on Amiga-Forums)!?
For example: http://www.morph.org
Nice troll
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Does anyone know: Will MorphOS be supporting g5 processors in version 3.0?
It does effect if one will rather go for a big box mac or a mac mini.
Not in a foreseeable future, that's for sure. Probably never. And if it *will* happen, I guess the prices on G5 machines will have dropped even further by then.
Go for a Mac Mini, PowerMac G4 or why not a PowerBook of the right model (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=676448&postcount=5) instead, keep away from the G5! :)
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Not in a foreseeable future, that's for sure. Probably never. And if it *will* happen, I guess the prices on G5 machines will have dropped even further by then.
Go for a Mac Mini, PowerMac G4 or why not a PowerBook of the right model (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=676448&postcount=5) instead, keep away from the G5! :)
While we disagree on the need for a G5 port, I think we're both in agreement on this.
Never buy a piece of hardware for MorphOS unless support for it has been announced.
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I am considering to make the same move. Provided that someon already has a Mac Mini G4, besides MorphOS what else is needed to make it work as an Amiga PPC? My intention is to be able to run AmigaOS 4.1, but I'd also love to play and use classic Amiga software. Is the late even possible?
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I am considering to make the same move. Provided that someon already has a Mac Mini G4, besides MorphOS what else is needed to make it work as an Amiga PPC? My intention is to be able to run AmigaOS 4.1, but I'd also love to play and use classic Amiga software. Is the late even possible?
MorphOS and Amiga OS 4.1 have nothing to do with each other, other than being Amiga like next gen OS's that both run on PPC machines. MOS will run on the old PPC Mac's, Amiga OS 4.x will not (officially, anyways). If you wanted to run both I guess you could track down a Peg or something.
MOS supports a fair bit of legacy 68k software out of the box, but for a good chunk of it, like games, you will likely need to use an emulator. OS4 is the same in this regard, and the process is sort of hit or miss, IMO. Fact is neither the Mac's with MOS, or the SAM/A1/1000x/etc have the original Amiga custom chips on them, so if programs are looking to bang hardware directly, emulation is usually the only solution.
You'd be sorely disappointed in either solution if it was your intent to only run Amiga legacy apps/games, since you can emulate old HW on a commodity PC for free really via UAE.
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Can anyone explain to me in detail WHY they will not or have not yet added g5 support?
I would think its not so difficult, but then I never programmed for powerpc, just 6809,68000 and x86.
The performance gains would be well worth the time investment, unless I suppose their rather just put all their energy into an x86 or arm port?
Thats what I'm thinking, Piru, care to comment please?
Also, can someone tell me, whats the fastest speed powermac g4 you can get that morphos supports? I'm really planning on finally getting one.
Steven
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Hi,
Why don't you all go throw your MAC whoopie over on the Apple boards, maybe the Apple Fan Boys will all embrace you there and your new found Amiga Emulator for a MAC.
smerf
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[@smerf shut up moron]
The only morons here are the ones using MACs on the Amiga boards.
Don't you all know the difference between a MAC and an Amiga. The MAC is the small little piece of junk that can't even find a right place home, like in the rotten Apple Core computer section, so it lets some sleaze bags sneak it on the Amiga boards.
Oh my Apple this, my Apple that, My Apple is rotten to the core.
If you are all excited with the Mac running MorpOS why don't you morph over to your own board and brag about it there, maybe someone who knows nothing about computers will listen to you all.
smerf
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Which is better for MorphOS
A Power mac FW800 MDD with dual 1.42 GHz processors
or a 1.5 Ghz Mac Mini?
Can MorphOS use dual processors? In theory AmigaOS should, as it is preemptively multitasks. However I have never seen dual processors implemented in AmigaOS that way.
@motormouth,
I would try a trash can first.
smerf
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I don't understand the hating on morphos.
The decision to port to mac in my opinion was brilliant. Why? Because they had a power pc OS with no more custom (pegasos) hw being produced.
g4 Macs are cheap and extremely plentiful, as is spare parts for them.
If you want to spend 1500$ on 10 year old spec hw just so your os says amiga os go ahead, some people are fine with a very amiga like os on a 50$ mac thats faster than most Os4 hw....
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MOS on a Mac is every bit as Amiga like as a SAM running AOS 4.1 is.
Is MOS on an Efika considered kosher by your standards, and therefore "Amiga"?
Is that Apple logo the only dis-qualifier in your definition of "Amiga"? Is a Peg running MOS and AOS not an Amiga? I mean, if I gutted a Mac Mini, put it in a new case, removed all traces of "Evil Apple" and I told you it was running on a Peg or Efika, would *THAT* be kosher? You wouldn't know the difference :)
Really man, it's an Apple logo. Don't lose sleep over it, lol. Personally I find Apple to make rock solid hardware, if a bit expensive at initial launch.
MOS and PPC Mac's serve a very valuable and economical entry point into getting people back into the Amiga (or Amiga like, if you prefer) scene, whether you want to admit it or not.
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I don't understand the hating on morphos.
The decision to port to mac in my opinion was brilliant. Why? Because they had a power pc OS with no more custom (pegasos) hw being produced.
g4 Macs are cheap and extremely plentiful, as is spare parts for them.
If you want to spend 1500$ on 10 year old spec hw just so your os says amiga os go ahead, some people are fine with a very amiga like os on a 50$ mac thats faster than most Os4 hw....
I don't hate MorphOS, it is a super emulator for a MAC, just like Cloanto's Amiga Forever is a super emulator for a windows machine. It is just that I wouldn't contaminate my hands by touching a MAC. It would be like touching a pile of dog poo, and the smell of a MAC just makes me want to throw up.
smerf
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Smerf,
I suppose I used to feel that way about macs, especially pre osx macs. I thought pre osx macs were the biggest piles of **** ever.
What? No multitasking? Come on man, even windows did that in 1992. (of course amiga did this in 1985!
Back to macs...
The hw was fast enough to multitask but the os was such a pile of ****. I used to laugh at the idiots paying huge money for them.
I have to say though, the HARDWARE of the models they made for osx are beautifully made. Osx though? Not a fan, used linux for years to me its retarded someone paying such huge money to basically run a prettied up linux distro. (I know its not based on linux but its so similar its funny)
If you actually look at the enginnering, the construction of a powermac g4, mac mini, cube g4 and even the g4 emacs, you see they are pretty well made. Myself? I like the hw, but think osx is bloated and over hyped. Take that hw and put morphos on it, and I think its a good reason to buy that nice hw...
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@haywirepc,
Looked at the mini Macs, but still can't see investing in a dead system, for the past 5 years I have watched MorphOS, AROS, etc. but I have to go with a system that is going to have software made for it in the future. I don't want to buy a box just to run an OS, I want to be sure that software is going to be made for it, advancements to the hardware can be made etc.
I hate windows, but if I want to play games then windows I must have, I wouldn't trust windows with any real data that I wanted to keep. Know to many people that have lost there huge music library using windows, I keep mine on Linux, haven't lost anything in 6 years, Linux almost compares to the Amiga, but it is harder to use and understand, but it is easy to backup your data, even though during the last 6 years I really didn't need a backup.
MorphOS needs to morph into a more stable, advanced, and go forward system for me to get interested in it. Linux has programs, windows has programs, Amiga had programs.
We need more people programming in order to stabilize the community. Right now we are all going in several different directions. We need to concentrate in one direction and develope it.
smerf
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I am considering to make the same move. Provided that someon already has a Mac Mini G4, besides MorphOS what else is needed to make it work as an Amiga PPC?
MorphOS can run Amiga software out of the box. There are also PowerUp, WarpUp and Warp3D compatibility layers so you can run old Amiga PPC software there.
But it cant run anything on Mac mini that would hit the hardware directly and you might experience compatibility problems with some old software.
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Another traitor to the Amiga, have you tried printing a picture yet, bet you can't do it, what sort or SPECIAL PRINTER do you need to print with.
Have you tried recording audio, or how about using Kindle to read a book?
Bet you can't play Windows games.
Can you buy new software for it at the local software store or Steam?
How is using Windows less traitor than using AmigaOS compatible OS?
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How is using Windows less traitor than using AmigaOS compatible OS?
Please don't feed the troll.