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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: SysAdmin on March 24, 2012, 11:24:55 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKiXDsbrwQQ&feature=related
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Holy Jesus that guy is annoying.
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Might?!?!?! :)
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Been using Beta for a little while and I think it's good if a little flakey. The idea of having an HTML5 OS UX that transends device has great appeal to me.
As it is, W8 probably won't be that because the "cool fad" population doesn't understand what their consuming mentality does to technology, but the idea borders on revolutionary if you actually stop and think about it for a minute: It has the potential to actually go against the global corporate growth ethos of diversity of product.
He's a kid, but I agree with is fanboy accusation comments.
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I'm glad Vista is the last version of Windows I'll ever use.
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The idea of having an HTML5 OS UX that transends device has great appeal to me.
I'm still not seeing the logic behind this line of thinking. The idea of having a single UI for two radically different input methods is as ridiculous as the idea that a toilet should have a steering wheel and gear shifter.
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I'm still not seeing the logic behind this line of thinking. The idea of having a single UI for two radically different input methods is as ridiculous as the idea that a toilet should have a steering wheel and gear shifter.
:laughing: +1
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I'm still not seeing the logic behind this line of thinking. The idea of having a single UI for two radically different input methods is as ridiculous as the idea that a toilet should have a steering wheel and gear shifter.
Obviously the App needs to handle the UX based on interface display. You can't have the big screen experience on a phone device. Unless you have eagle vision and 1mm finger tips but you are thinking in the terms of today's limitations.
Imagine in 10 years time taking your high end hand held device plugging it into a docking station with a 25" monitor (touch or not) and fullsize keyboard and having a big machine computing experience on a device that also offers the small screen. I think that is revolutionary.
Manufacturers and aligned global corporates don't, because they want you to have a device for every desired UX, more devices for everyone. I only want one.
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Imagine a world where you can never have a physical or complete digital copy of the software you own on your hard drive. Imagine a world where NO software can be written for Apple or Microsloth OS' without their direct approval.
If you love technology, keep it free, avoid these beasts...
Gonna sell my iPod... Things to come...
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Imagine a world where you can never have a physical or complete digital copy of the software you own on your hard drive. Imagine a world where NO software can be written for Apple or Microsloth OS' without their direct approval.
If you love technology, keep it free, avoid these beasts...
Gonna sell my iPod... Things to come...
I'll buy you iPod. Seeing as though it's free..........:)
I like the theory but it's not gonna be built if it can't make money for someone and their shareholders.
Underpants + ? = Profit.
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He's a kid, but I agree with is fanboy accusation comments.
a kid? Chris Pirillo is just a couple of years shy of being 40, he's 38 this year.
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a kid? Chris Pirillo is just a couple of years shy of being 40, he's 38 this year.
I wasn't talking about his age. But thank's for the info I figured him around 30.
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Obviously the App needs to handle the UX based on interface display. You can't have the big screen experience on a phone device. Unless you have eagle vision and 1mm finger tips but you are thinking in the terms of today's limitations.
But that's exactly what isn't happening here. Windows 8 doesn't provide two different but equally important user interfaces for the two types of devices it's targeting, it provides one tablet-oriented UI and begrudgingly, disdainfully provides only the parts of the old desktop UI they couldn't get away with cutting, on the publically-stated assumption that developers are supposed to port their "desktop" software to Metro, simply because MS says so.
And even if they were trying to build a coherent dual-headed OS, I think it's a fundamentally misguided goal to begin with. Trying to build one program that works identically on two radically different kinds of devices is crazy. Either it's going to be tailored for one and poorly adapted to the other, or it's going to be so abstracted that it's not any good on either. Application design is guided by knowledge of how the user will interact with the program; that's why DOS programs simply aren't designed the way Windows programs are (and why programs that tried to be identical across both DOS and Windows, back in the 3.1 days, sucked at it.) It's not going to lead to a single unbroken user experience, it's going to lead to tablet software that poorly attempts to be desktop software and vice versa.
Imagine a world where you can never have a physical or complete digital copy of the software you own on your hard drive. Imagine a world where NO software can be written for Apple or Microsloth OS' without their direct approval.
If you love technology, keep it free, avoid these beasts...
Word to that.
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Holy Jesus that guy is annoying.
took just under 30 secs of him for me to close the tab!
not sure why I clicked the link anyway, messed around with the dev preview of win 8 - some good features, some not so good. very much doubt I'll ever own a copy, I only seem to use my windows partition for amiga explorer these days.
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Imagine in 10 years time taking your high end hand held device plugging it into a docking station with a 25" monitor (touch or not) and fullsize keyboard and having a big machine computing experience on a device that also offers the small screen. I think that is revolutionary.
That's ridiculous. Why have all that hardware on your desktop and then cripple it by requiring yet another device to make it usable?
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Might?!?!?! :)
Ha!:laughing:
I never adopt ANY Microsoft product until its at SP1.
The initial release is virtually GUARANTEED to suck mightily.
This suck factor has been present since at least Windows 3.0 (which seriously sucked so most people remember using version 3.1).
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Holy Jesus that guy is annoying.
you are not kidding.
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Hi,
@commodorejohn
Yeah, reminds me of somene else I know
smerf
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I'm glad Vista is the last version of Windows I'll ever use.
Hi,
You really should try Windows 7, I think it is the best OS microsoft has ever brought out.
Windows 8 will probably be good for tablets and laptops from what I read.
smerf
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Imagine in 10 years time taking your high end hand held device plugging it into a docking station with a 25" monitor (touch or not) and fullsize keyboard and having a big machine computing experience on a device that also offers the small screen. I think that is revolutionary.
Manufacturers and aligned global corporates don't, because they want you to have a device for every desired UX, more devices for everyone. I only want one.
http://www.asus.com/Mobile/PadFone
You were saying....
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Hi,
You really should try Windows 7, I think it is the best OS microsoft has ever brought out.
Windows 8 will probably be good for tablets and laptops from what I read.
smerf
Agreed. To me Win 7 is the next XP. I have a few 8-10 year old computers I tinker around on and use for loaners. They all have been upgraded from XP to Win 7 and preform just as well as they did running XP. I did try Vista on one of the better speced one's and could not even stream video with out it looking like a slideshow and devices that worked under XP didn't work under Vista. Though under Win 7, I found I could use them again.
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Rainman is right in one statement, Windows isn't the only game in town anymore. Windows 8 may be ok on a tablet, but quite frankly compared to iOS or Android, the apps suck.
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On a positive note, Microsoft can't possibly do worse than what's going on in Linux land as far as desktop environments go.
The stuff major distros are pushing out is bizarre. I setup Fedora 16 on a machine about a week ago. Out of the box the "desktop" has no icons. It literally does nothing. Minimize and maximize buttons are gone from all windows in all applications and there is no analog of the "dock" or "task bar". I feel that UI designers have forgotten that many of use actually use computers to do real work.
(Fedora 16 is pretty nice though once you grab gnome-tweak-tool and use it to set nautilus to handle the desktop and re-enable the window gadgets. Sadly I still have to use xrandr from the CLI to init my second monitor, and the Gnome 3 UI metaphor doesn't really work well with dual monitor setups. I have an ATI 5770 card, but the ATI graphics drivers don't work well with any recent linux distro I've tried, so I'm stuck with Gallium and OpenGL 2.1 support, :mad: )
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Holy Jesus that guy is annoying.
Yup this is the same guy who nearly wet himself when the C64x was announced.... nuff said really.
Might?!?!?! :)
Well they can't do as bad as ME.
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But that's exactly what isn't happening here. Windows 8 doesn't provide two different but equally important user interfaces for the two types of devices it's targeting, it provides one tablet-oriented UI and begrudgingly, disdainfully provides only the parts of the old desktop UI they couldn't get away with cutting, on the publically-stated assumption that developers are supposed to port their "desktop" software to Metro, simply because MS says so.
That is not exactly true, you can avoid metro on windows 8 if you want. On todays hardware that may very much be what you want.
After Windows 8 is launched there will be new hardware. Microsoft are creating a bridge across the divide and it will be interesting to see what direction they take by the time it RTM's (which is months away).
Windows 7 has been great & Windows 8 is better in many ways. The UI takes a little getting used to, but my netbook is running the consumer preview & I might get round to installing it on my laptop too.
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http://www.asus.com/Mobile/PadFone
You were saying....
Yeah almost there, but that's 2 devices...
Unfortunately every time they try to catch up the bar has to be moved by the manufacturers.
Having endless mindless goals on specifications like gfx resolution never allows technology to develop to a level of standardisation and consolidation. iPad 3 is a perfect example; Who could possibly tell the difference between Full High Def 1920 x 1080 and the ludicrous resolution of 2048×1536 on a 9.5" display. Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference of the standard High Def on the iPad 2 and the new resolution. The increases in performance of Retina and A5X are all gobbled up. The UX is no better than the previous device but it's a mindless cosumer increase that "i want one" junkies just love. "It's resolutionary" sucker. Your apps will slow down. Video downloads will slow down. But you'll have more portable resolution than the guy beside you, to read what content? text?
There is no reason an App cannot be written to offer a different UX for large or small display. Some of them do it already. But that's the last thing hardware manufacturers want. You gotta keep buying devices. You gotta upgrade man. Don't let the software catch up to the technology. HTML5 has the capability to offer the multi display app experience. Having an OS that complements that is a great idea. Just like Chrome OS has.
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On a positive note, Microsoft can't possibly do worse than what's going on in Linux land as far as desktop environments go.
Heh, true that.
That is not exactly true, you can avoid metro on windows 8 if you want. On todays hardware that may very much be what you want.
Except that you can't completely avoid Metro (you're still stuck with the stupid-ass tile version of the Start menu, unless you employ a hack.) And more importantly, it has been very clearly stated by MS that Metro is the Official New Direction, and while they've kept "Desktop" functionality for old applications, they expect and encourage developers to get on board with Metro ASAP. Even if I could avoid it now, what's the point in making myself at home on something where the whole entire UI I'm used to and like is now considered to be essentially deprecated?
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I have an ATI 5770 card, but the ATI graphics drivers don't work well with any recent linux distro I've tried, so I'm stuck with Gallium and OpenGL 2.1 support, :mad: )
In my experience, if you are going to use Linux and want vendor supplied drivers for current hardware, nvidia is the only choice.
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I think Microsoft will relent and give people the flop up listing of your programs folder on a ball that Windows 7 gives you. It'll be gone from Windows 9, but even though it's a dumb concept you still have to ween people away from it, since it's been a part of your OS since Windows 95.
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You will be able to disable Metro entirely. Anything else would be suicide in the enterprise market.
That also brings up a very valid point, though. Why in hell should I pay the cash to upgrade to Windows 8 if I have zero interest in running anything Metro? With the Metro crap disabled, it's essentially Win 7 visually.
The answer to that is - I won't. I have no reason to upgrade to Windows 8 on my desktops, I find Metro atrocious for desktop use, and I wouldn't touch a Windows 8 tablet with a 10 foot pole. The tablet market is awash with options, and Win8, especially the WoA ones that will be showing up are the least attractive out of all of them.
For all that can be said against the ipad and the locked down nature, I find my ipad absolutely indispensable and it for the most part has replaced my work laptop. If the one specialized program I require on my Windows powered laptop was ever ported to iOS, I'd likely never use my laptop again.
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That also brings up a very valid point, though. Why in hell should I pay the cash to upgrade to Windows 8 if I have zero interest in running anything Metro? With the Metro crap disabled, it's essentially Win 7 visually.
The answer to that is - I won't. I have no reason to upgrade to Windows 8 on my desktops, I find Metro atrocious for desktop use, and I wouldn't touch a Windows 8 tablet with a 10 foot pole. The tablet market is awash with options, and Win8, especially the WoA ones that will be showing up are the least attractive out of all of them.
In fairness, reports are that Win8's internals have undergone a significant refactoring and performance is noticeably better. That would be nice to have, if only the Metro thing weren't going to be such a damn millstone around the neck...
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On a positive note, Microsoft can't possibly do worse than what's going on in Linux land as far as desktop environments go.
The stuff major distros are pushing out is bizarre. I setup Fedora 16 on a machine about a week ago. Out of the box the "desktop" has no icons. It literally does nothing. Minimize and maximize buttons are gone from all windows in all applications and there is no analog of the "dock" or "task bar". I feel that UI designers have forgotten that many of use actually use computers to do real work.
Dude, that sounds like a UI that is not a UI. Take about minimal!
Might as well dump you at a command prompt like proper Unix!:lol:
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Yeah almost there, but that's 2 devices...
Nope, exactly what you said we would have in 10 years. Just not 25". Phone goes into tablet, you have a tablet. Tablet into keyboard dock, you have a netbook/notebook. All run by the phone. If Asus is smart they will partner or just produce a TV that can dock the phone and get in to the Roku marketspace.
I did see a video form CES this year where the phone docking setup was hooked up to a 42" TV.
Might be ubiquitous tech in 10 or less years. It starts here.
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Might?!?!?! :)
Yeah, I thought it was a given :)
I consider any Windows from XP and up as reasonably stable (but man do they have huge demands on your hardware!), but they are only good for using other programs. The OS in itself is just about much fun to use as watching bread go stale.
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more or less same reaction here, so this might be boring... Windows 7 was by far the best Windows version yet. Windows 8 on a phone/tablet might be nice.. but on my desktop ? full-screen apps ? metro-start-menu (for lack of a better word) ... um.. no thanks
Tom UK