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Title: More eBay looniness...
Post by: save2600 on March 04, 2012, 11:30:51 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-1992-Commodore-Amiga-Variety-of-Titles-New-Old-Stock-You-pick-/370558388279?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item5647004837#ht_1047wt_962

WTF?  What's up with this listing format?  Irritatingly so, you first pick the title.  Then it forces you to pick the publisher...  and then you pick the friggin' date of its supposed manufacture?  WTF is going on here?  How come they have other titles, in separate listings from this?  You'd think that snazzy pull down menu nonsense would accommodate those too.  And then there are the asking prices...  $42+ for Chase HQ?  $55 for Shadow Warriors?  Seriously?  Where are people coming up with these prices?   :lol:
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: stevee617 on March 04, 2012, 11:54:57 PM
I didn't know you could that in eBay!
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: amiman99 on March 05, 2012, 12:20:13 AM
First time I have seen it too.

As for prices, bit overpriced. I noticed that on Ebay Amiga titles, except CD32, dont sell at all or at very low price.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: save2600 on March 05, 2012, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: amiman99;682503
First time I have seen it too.

As for prices, bit overpriced. I noticed that on Ebay Amiga titles, except CD32, dont sell at all or at very low price.

Unless you're eBay seller loisitaly...   :lol:
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: amiman99 on March 05, 2012, 03:00:12 AM
I guess, I take back my comment,

Amiga "Chrono Quest" by Psygnosis sold for $62,
Amiga "Amigaterm" by Commodore-Amiga for $83,
Amiga "Trinity" by Infocom $68.

That ebay seller sits on gold?

Are these title rare????

Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Crumb on March 05, 2012, 02:49:34 PM
Bah! I've recently seen a desktop A4000 G-Rex sell for 782€ (a friend of mine bought one for 100€ some years ago). Beat that! ;-P
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: orb85750 on March 05, 2012, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: amiman99;682514
I guess, I take back my comment,

Amiga "Chrono Quest" by Psygnosis sold for $62,
Amiga "Amigaterm" by Commodore-Amiga for $83,
Amiga "Trinity" by Infocom $68.

That ebay seller sits on gold?

Are these title rare????



It's a scam.  I've already reported the shill bidding to eBay.  (See the other thread.)
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: RobertC on March 07, 2012, 12:00:00 PM
That link you posted doesn't even go to the Amiga section.
Home and Garden (variety type Amigas? haha!)

Bizarre indeed.


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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-1992-Commodore-Amiga-Variety-of-Titles-New-Old-Stock-You-pick-/370558388279?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item5647004837#ht_1047wt_962
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Originally Posted by amiman99
As for prices, bit overpriced. I noticed that on Ebay (http://www.ebay.com/) Amiga titles, except CD32, dont sell at all or at very low price.

Tell me about it. :insane:
Having quite the go of unloading all my Amiga titles.
Which most are in the Mint Condition category.

Hard to tell if that loisitaly account is a scam or not.
Time may or may not tell.

- Robert
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: mark_k on March 07, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: RobertC;682784
Having quite the go of unloading all my Amiga titles.
Which most are in the Mint Condition category.

Hard to tell if that loisitaly account is a scam or not.
Time may or may not tell.

- Robert


There are some things you can do to increase the level of interest, which seller loisitaly did:
 - List a number of similar items to end at around the same time, when a lot of users will be online (e.g. Sunday evening). Bidders who are interested in one item will likely be interested in the others, resulting in more bids.
 - Offer cheap combined shipping if people win more than one item. That encourages more bids.
 - Offer economical international shipping. That's very important for collectible/rare things. The idea is to (hopefully) attract deep-pockets non-US bidders. Even if they don't end up winning, more bids/interest can push the final price up significantly. Some items are much rarer/harder-to-find outside the USA, so foreign bidders will be prepared to pay more for them. Check user loisitaly's feedback profile; many of the userids shown are from outside the USA. If you were to disregard all the non-US bids, I bet many of that user's items would have sold for much less.

Going out on a limb here... is your eBay ID rob-c? Assuming it is... I took a look at some of your auctions and have some suggestions.

While you do offer international shipping, the costs are so high as to effectively put off non-US bidders. For example, item 320858837106 a couple of card brochures, or item 320858837190 a piece of card. Listed shipping to the UK is US$47 + $10 handling = $57. The cheapest USPS shipping would be under US$10. Adding Registered Mail to that would about double the cost, but still well under $47. I appreciate you might want to only use Priority Mail for some reason, but you should weigh that against the correspondingly much lower interest from non-US bidders.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: hese7 on March 07, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
Quote from: Crumb;682551
Bah! I've recently seen a desktop A4000 G-Rex sell for 782€ (a friend of mine bought one for 100€ some years ago). Beat that! ;-P


You mean this http://www.ebay.de/itm/260966019229 ?

Is 782€ ridiculous price for somewhat rare and sought after(?) busboard?
Okay, you get three Mediators for that price.

But really, for 100€? I bet your friend wouldn't sell it for anywhere near that price.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: orb85750 on March 08, 2012, 12:08:10 AM
Does this auction make sense?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Amiga-2000-HD-Computer-system-Working-Rev-4-5-board-/320860526106?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4ab4c7161a
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: magnetic on March 08, 2012, 12:49:55 AM
whats funny in the amiga community is many people feel the need to dictate to others what they should sell their Amiga stuff for, or even more extreme, if they should sell it. I've never had that audacity to tell another man what to do with his own possesions.. its not my business.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: orb85750 on March 08, 2012, 12:57:48 AM
Quote from: magnetic;682874
whats funny in the amiga community is many people feel the need to dictate to others what they should sell their Amiga stuff for, or even more extreme, if they should sell it. I've never had that audacity to tell another man what to do with his own possesions.. its not my business.

Agreed -- though this thread is mostly about unusual auction activity.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: RobertC on March 08, 2012, 06:04:30 AM
@ mark_k (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=5281)
> Going out on a limb here...
> is your eBay ID rob-c?
> Assuming it is...
> I took a look at some of your auctions and have some suggestions.
No limbs were harmed in the creation of this message.
That said, yes, my eBay id is rob-c.

@magnetic (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=147)  I am appreciative of your comment and am of similar mind. I also don't  mind creative feedback regarding technique whether is it unsolicited or  solicited. All points were well taken, well written and composed in a  courteous manner.

Regarding international eBay shipping:
Is it just me? Figuring out how to determine the best international  shipping options is a nightmare in my mind's eye. Those flat paper items  are kinda one-offs for me. And I hardly ever look at what a final cost  for international is going to be. When I do, it's to Canada, the UK,  France, or some other largest country. And regardless of how I select  international shipping options, it all seems to come out as  International Priority Mail. If someone is really serious about an item,  they'll let me know and we work something out. For the locals here in  the US, I think that media mail and parcel post are the best value for  the money spent. I've tried it both ways, Priority Mail / Parcel Post.  Priority Mail is nice because the PO offers shipping supplies like  boxes, but those are limited in their size dimensions. Good for some  items, not so good for others. It's  kinda a crap shoot. I've been doing this a long time, selling my  Amiga/MAC equipment (and others' equipment that were left to me) and  it's a difficult process. Getting longish here.
Thanks All
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: runequester on March 08, 2012, 06:25:42 AM
Quote from: magnetic;682874
whats funny in the amiga community is many people feel the need to dictate to others what they should sell their Amiga stuff for, or even more extreme, if they should sell it. I've never had that audacity to tell another man what to do with his own possesions.. its not my business.


If people don't want public commentary, then don't be a public salesman.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Crumb on March 08, 2012, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: hese7;682831
You mean this http://www.ebay.de/itm/260966019229 ?

Is 782€ ridiculous price for somewhat rare and sought after(?) busboard?
Okay, you get three Mediators for that price.


Don't get me wrong, everyone is free to sell&buy whatever hardware they want at the price they agree, but IMHO a desktop G-Rex4000 is not so rare (A G-Rex 4000T would be, but not a desktop one) and:
-the performance difference with a Mediator in practice is not much noticeable
-If your CS mk3/PPC dies you won't be able to use a different cpu accelerator model.
-Mediator supports PCI USB (even if a Deneb is much better) and G-Rex has a bug that prevents using PCI USB cards (although perhaps an openpci driver could work using dma to gfx card ram but it doesn't work right now)
-More recent software supports Mediator but doesn't support G-Rex (OS4.x supports Mediator and although I prefer MorphOS it's an older version no longer possible to register)
-I already own other PCI busboards so my needs are well catered for.

Quote

But really, for 100€? I bet your friend wouldn't sell it for anywhere near that price.


Yeah, it was some years ago, a brand new CSPPC 040/40 was sold for 400€ at ASB (that's the one he bought) and second hand ones could be bought by 350€ (probably because there was no classic OS4 for it). OS4 caused that the price of Classic PPC hardware increased quite a lot. In those times I sold my Macrosystem's Falcon1240 for 120€, Blizzard1230/50 mk4 were sold for as little as 42€ (and nobody wanted them) and all people with A1200/030 were leaving Amiga and switching to peecee.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Bamiga2002 on March 08, 2012, 01:15:56 PM
Everybody can sell items at any price they want to, but there is something that bugs me on too high prices:
if one isn't dwelling on a pile of cash and needed an item for Amiga and finds one at EBay (or some other site) and it's way overpriced, one can't afford it thus not getting a *maybe* important item for one's setup. Now if everyone would price items ridicilously high that would only be "fair" for those having the cash to pay. Do we want that? I hope I made my point even if somewhat confusing...:)

Isn't EBay an auction site? Isn't the principal of an auction for people to get things cheaper than normal prices? Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I always have thought it would be. I meself try to have this principal when I'm selling stuff: not ripping off, but fair price, fair deal.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: spirantho on March 08, 2012, 02:29:40 PM
Like it or not, eBay is the fairest pricing system in an open auction, as the price is governed by supply and demand.
We may not like it, but the fact is if there's one item and a hundred people want it, then obviously the price is going to go higher. That is the principle of the auction.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Bamiga2002 on March 08, 2012, 02:38:29 PM
Nothing wrong with people bidding the price up, but it's the high starting/buy-it-now prices that bug me.

EDIT: do we Amigans want to rip each other off with these items, or be reasonable?
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 08, 2012, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: Bamiga2002;682930
EDIT: do we Amigans want to rip each other off with these items, or be reasonable?

Bwa ha ah ah haa ha ha!!! :roflmao:

Reasonable...I like this guy!

The reasonable ones are few and far between, or aren't selling.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Bamiga2002 on March 08, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
I fail to see what's so funny about this :) but partly I understand you and cool you had a laugh...
What's wrong being reasonable?
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 08, 2012, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Bamiga2002;682934
I fail to see what's so funny about this :) but partly I understand you and cool you had a laugh...
What's wrong being reasonable?


Absolutely nothing.  As Bill Clinton used to say - "Ah Feel yer Payne!"

I'm a little bitter about it all, currently - thus the laugh/sarcasm.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Bamiga2002 on March 08, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
Oh, so you've had your share of a "fair" deal I suppose?

Another thing that bugs me is people that hawk the reasonable deals to themselves and re-sell to try and make a buck selling for double/triple the price they themselves have paid.
But enough rant from me, these things can't really be helped...
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: orb85750 on March 08, 2012, 07:30:48 PM
Get on Amibay.com if you're not there already.  

Also, let's keep in mind that we're dealing with discretionary items, not food & water.  Your life is not seriously affected if you can't afford that cool vintage Amiga gear!
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: runequester on March 08, 2012, 08:08:31 PM
It's one thing to sell something that's rare for a high price.

It's quite something else to sell crap that doesn't work for said same high price.

"I found this in a leaky garage, where it's been sitting for 20 years. Im totally sure it works though. Only 1000 dollars. NO REFUNDS!"
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Methuselas on March 08, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
Quote from: runequester;682960

"I found this in a leaky garage, where it's been sitting for 20 years. Im totally sure it works though. Only 1000 dollars. NO REFUNDS!"

@Runequester

You bought sh!t from my Mom too? She lives in Saint Helens last I knew.......
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Bamiga2002 on March 08, 2012, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: orb85750;682956
Get on Amibay.com if you're not there already.  

Also, let's keep in mind that we're dealing with discretionary items, not food & water.  Your life is not seriously affected if you can't afford that cool vintage Amiga gear!

Yes it is! I'm a bitch for legacy Amiga HW! Hmm.... ;)
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: magnetic on March 09, 2012, 12:24:42 AM
Quote from: orb85750;682956
Get on Amibay.com if you're not there already.  




Stay AWAY from Amibay whatever you do. They SPY on you and try to control your actions. Its totally against the spirit of Amiga community.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: nikos.rizos on March 09, 2012, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: magnetic;682995
Stay AWAY from Amibay whatever you do. They SPY on you and try to control your actions. Its totally against the spirit of Amiga community.

Control your actions?

You must have something wrong buddy. There is a basic set of rules there. You follow them rules and everything works just perfect. I bought and sold quite a few things from amibay and never had a problem there.

And I aint talking about 10$ things...I am talking about blizzardPPC, CyberstormPPC etc.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Duce on March 09, 2012, 09:36:14 AM
I found the Amibay community more detestable than the ebay community, tbh.

Tried doing business (buying) once there, got turbonerded by a bunch of aggro dickheads.  Won't go back.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: orb85750 on March 10, 2012, 02:38:34 AM
Quote from: Duce;683028
I found the Amibay community more detestable than the ebay community, tbh.

Tried doing business (buying) once there, got turbonerded by a bunch of aggro dickheads.  Won't go back.


Not sure what the hell you mean.  They have a set of rules to make the place fair for everyone.  It's not very hard to follow.  Many people (like me) don't read all the rules and are given a warning when a simple rule is broken.  So the only problem I had there was self-imposed by my ignorance.  Overall, it has been an excellent experience for me.  Two thumbs up!  I have not had a bad transaction there yet.  I cannot say the same for eBay.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: save2600 on March 11, 2012, 04:08:05 PM
"turbonerded"...  :laughing:

Sorry, that phrase is just too damn funny!
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: gertsy on March 11, 2012, 11:41:36 PM
Tee'd up with "Agro Dickheads" and you have the double.  It's Art.
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: amiman99 on March 15, 2012, 03:22:22 AM
I have one...
External Amiga drive for just $200.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supra-Drive-Commodore-Amiga-NEW-/220976687984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33733cab70
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: A6000 on March 15, 2012, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: amiman99;683809
I have one...
External Amiga drive for just $200.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supra-Drive-Commodore-Amiga-NEW-/220976687984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33733cab70

That's no good, if you read the description you will see it is a 3.25" drive so our disks will not work in it. :)
Title: Re: More eBay looniness...
Post by: Duce on March 15, 2012, 11:23:14 AM
My experience with Amibay was not with the site officially, but a select group of users there.  This was several years ago, before I bought my SAM 440.  I'd gotten out of the Amiga scene in the early 90's when CBM flubbed everything, and I was fresh back looking for a new machine and saw a pretty kitted out A1200 for sale.  I'd never owned a 1200 before, much less one with a PPC and BVision.

I asked a few simple questions in an extremely friendly tone, explaining I was not terribly familiar with the wedge Amigas specifically, and that I was returning to the "scene".  No 2000 word TL;DR essay involved, just a simple question on the system for sale. Valid questions, not a derail of a thread.  I was chided relentlessly, even to the point of one of the users PM'ing me (a user who coincidentally was also interested in the system for sale) calling me an idiot, telling me I was wasting peoples time with valid questions.  Questions other people were also asking, the only difference being I was the "new guy".

Just wanted to clarify that Amibay itself may be great to deal with, but what occurred when I went there with good intentions I got the "go away, noob" old boy routine and it left a horribly bad taste in my mouth from a few select users.  I bought a PPC/040 A1200 with a BVision in it a few weeks later for far cheaper, so not all was lost.