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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: ByteRyder on March 01, 2012, 10:51:08 PM
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X1000, AOne500, New accelerator cards, Adapters and Interfaces, Flickerfixers, Natami, and now we're going to have a PPC netbooks for AmigaOS. More and more HW is introduced for new, old or compatible Amiga systems.
These people have absolutely no respect for other people's wallets.
And I've just ordered a MAS Player for my A1200. AmigaKit takes blame for that!
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Why mix x1000, aone500 or this kind of notebooks with real amigas?
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, and now we're going to have a PPC netbooks for AmigaOS. More and more HW is introduced for new, old or compatible Amiga systems.
These people have absolutely no respect for other people's wallets.
And I've just ordered a MAS Player for my A1200. AmigaKit takes blame for that!
haha yeah good times for amiga.. not so sure of this netbook thing not one pic or any proof it exsists... i'm very excited for Mas player Evo and will order one soon!
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Why mix x1000, aone500 or this kind of notebooks with real amigas?
Oh for gods sake. Why must someone always go straight for the "let's start a red camp/blue camp argument again" complete rehash of every other red/blue thread we've seen before.
It's always better if we remember what we have in common and enjoy our Amiga experience together, whatever that may mean to us.
And yes ByteRider, we have OS4 PPC, MOS, AROS and lot's more. Plenty of great choice for all to enjoy in this hobby whatever your preferences. Hope your wallet can take the strain, I know mine can't. :D
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Why mix x1000, aone500 or this kind of notebooks with real amigas?
Because they're trying in earnest to push the Amiga forward, as is Natami. Even if you don't agree with all the details, at least they're doing something, rather than just sitting on their asses like most owners of the Amiga IP. I am personally most excited by the Natami, but I give a lot of credit to the OS4 stuff too -- an incredible amount of work has gone into it.
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Oh for gods sake. Why must someone always go straight for the "let's start a red camp/blue camp argument again" complete rehash of every other red/blue thread we've seen before.
It's because these people believe they can categorize because of chip set and because of timeframe. Frankly I think the b*stards really just want to control themselves.
What makes me laugh is I doubt most of them are Amiga purists like me that has never owned anything but an Amiga. And also, I doubt they own 10 Amigas let alone the 100 or so systems I own.
AmigaOS4.x and its custom hardware is the genuine continuation of the Amiga Computer, the freaking thing was always going to evolve. The ECS and AGA and the Blitter and whatever else you want to chuck in was ALWAYS going to be replaced. Just because this didn't happen until decades later doesn't make YOU right in thinking that is where the Amiga died, it just serves the purposes for some of these characters that gave up on the girl.
Some of us just kept on using an Amiga simply because it was our choice to do so and I never regretted it once. And look? The old girl started up again. But now we have all this OTHER sh*t polluting our once positive energetic hangouts.
But, if you're like me and you're in the know, gradually all this sh*t is being left behind. Like I always said it would.
So lets see, I have 2 X1000s and 3 SAMS and I'm going to get more, it's just like 1986 and the world is none the wiser :hammer:
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Can we give the camp stuff a rest? All the camps are making progress, Natami, MOS, AROS, OS4. WE all have seen movement from a year ago. Let's just be happy and not $### in each others camp.
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If I had to complain about anything like everyone else does it would have to be about actually acknowledging "camps"? at all.
I am completely indifferent to these other endevours and that's the only true way it should be, all this utter rubbish about working together and what have you is completely misplaced, god knows where it all started but I could almost guarantee its fueled by the masses of people out there that are just "computer" users NOT project orientated individuals, just people who want options and don't care where it is satisfied. I believe people who are doing what they want care very little about the general mass jibberish. Or Internet Noise as some people like to call it.
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@slayer
Im not talking about camps, amiga is dead many years ago but still cool... well, speak about this is a waste of time, congratulations for your "amigas".
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Maybe we should be colour coding on posts so that people know what camps we are in. We'll have to add some colours though.
Red OS4
Blue MOS
Mauve AROS
Harlequin Classic
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i think posts of a particular indiviual here should be really set in stone for future generations. truly an exceptionary example of self righteous monumental ignorance and naivety combined with a tendence to repeatedly show off while nobody actually cares about.
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haha yeah good times for amiga.. not so sure of this netbook thing not one pic or any proof it exsists... i'm very excited for Mas player Evo and will order one soon!
I need to pay better attention to the radar. Just when you think the stock is finally depleted, the Mas Player keeps getting resurrected (as it should!).
Give us a review of the EVO when you get it. Does the mixer work well? Same processor as original?
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Give us a review of the EVO when you get it. Does the mixer work well? Same processor as original?
Yes, please do. Great idea.
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I was surprised by the increased spec of the recommended Amiga. I know I have played higher bitrates than 128kbps thru my older versions (admittedly with 68030 and 060 CPUs). I know of ppl happily using them with unaccellerated A600s. I may have to do some testing.
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@slayer
Im not talking about camps, amiga is dead many years ago but still cool... well, speak about this is a waste of time, congratulations for your "amigas".
Amiga is still alive!
My first Amiga was the Amiga 1200, I bought it when Commodore still exist. It really was ****.
For the price of my Amiga 1200 I could buy a 386 which did circles around my A1200 and my cousin's A4000 put together.
Because, unfortunately, pathetic idiots from Commodore forgot to add chunky pixels modes to AGA.
What made any application that drew something 10 times slower on Amiga than pc with the same clock.
Today Amiga are maybe 2 times slower on one core than the latest pc.
And we can use without problems PC graphic cards in ours Amigas.
It's much better than the days of the commodore.
This sick perverted cult of classic Amiga, is incomprehensible.
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Oh for gods sake. Why must someone always go straight for the "let's start a red camp/blue camp argument again" complete rehash of every other red/blue thread we've seen before.
Yeah, you're quite right. I used to do this, and I think I'm going to stop, because it's not as if were arguing about facts of nature here :)
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Amiga is still alive!
My first Amiga was the Amiga 1200, I bought it when Commodore still exist. It really was ****.
For the price of my Amiga 1200 I could buy a 386 which did circles around my A1200 and my cousin's A4000 put together.
Because, unfortunately, pathetic idiots from Commodore forgot to add chunky pixels modes to AGA.
What made any application that drew something 10 times slower on Amiga than pc with the same clock.
Today Amiga are maybe 2 times slower on one core than the latest pc.
And we can use without problems PC graphic cards in ours Amigas.
It's much better than the days of the commodore.
This sick perverted cult of classic Amiga, is incomprehensible.
Hmm,... where to start with how wrong you are?
Firstly an a4k, in any guise outperforms any 386, let alone "an a1200 and a4k combined". Want chunky modes? Simple. Use chunky mode hardware. It's not rocket science. Even using non chunky modes an a4k will outperfom a 386 for tasks that favor chunky type data 9 times out of 10.
As for "And we can use without problems PC graphic cards in ours Amigas.",... well, its not that "simple" either. We can use a handful of second hand, obsolete cards, sure, but thats about it. As for "Today Amiga are maybe 2 times slower on one core than the latest pc", well, that's also complete nonsense. On the occasional task a top end ppc mac might get somewhere near that, but for the most part "amigas" are just as far away from pcs in terms of performance as they where back in the Commodore days. Probably even further away.
As for, "It's much better than the days of the commodore",.... what weird twisted reality are you living in. At least we had original, interesting software back then and not just sub-par ports of open source software + a few homebrew scraps as is the case today.
Not to say I dont appreciate the work people have done. I myself have done a number of ports for "NG" platforms, but there's a huge chasm between what we get these days vs. yesteryear.
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This sick perverted cult of classic Amiga, is incomprehensible.
Hey, I'm in the blue camp, but I can't agree with this.
How many 20 year old computers do you know of that can still be put to productive use (that people are still creating new hardware and software for)?
Now people with attitudes like Kickstart' bug me.
You run your "real" Amiga, and I'll run my definitely not Amiga. And I'll run circles around you.
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@Iggy,
The reason the days of the Commodore Amiga's superiority is "incomprehensible" to ppcamiga1, is because he was probably too young to understand it and all he could understand were some pretty graphics from a VGA video card, without thinking about installing a RTG card into his A2000, or A4000 and running CyberGraphX, or Picasso96. Any 386 was not much to brag about, when compared to even the stock A500, considering what there was available to run on it and how poorly it could run without the Amiga's ability to multi-task smoothly.
He obviously was either not an Amiga user back then and only used his Amiga as a game console, or he was too young to understand and can't remember how things really were. No one could really show up the Amiga until Pentium class PC's started showing up, unless you are talking about only games, which game production companies started spending a lot of money developing after sound and better video cards became available for PC's.
Yet another senseless and non-productive thread.
I have got to get out of here. Maybe I will just ask to have my account deleted, so I won't be tempted to respond to threads like this one any longer.
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Thanks for the moment of sanity David.
I must admit that these tired discussions are wearing me down as well.
I feel strangely compelled to respond, but can't help but feel its pointless.
We could all be spending our time more productively.
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X1000, AOne500, New accelerator cards, Adapters and Interfaces, Flickerfixers, Natami, and now we're going to have a PPC netbooks for AmigaOS. More and more HW is introduced for new, old or compatible Amiga systems.
These people have absolutely no respect for other people's wallets.
And I've just ordered a MAS Player for my A1200. AmigaKit takes blame for that!
Well, at least the thread started off in a positive way. Seems that the pessimists tend to (like to?) dominate these threads. WTF? Please take your negativity elsewhere.