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Title: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: orb85750 on February 29, 2012, 12:11:58 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultimate-Amiga-4000T-Loaded-/200720779503?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebbe408ef
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: save2600 on February 29, 2012, 12:29:07 AM
Whoa, this is in my neck or should I say redneck, of the woods?  lol

Some strange language going on and a BIN of $1800 at one time? Ummm, yeah.... good luck with that!  :lol:
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: amiman99 on February 29, 2012, 01:50:16 AM
This A4000T keeps coming back on Ebay.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Ral-Clan on February 29, 2012, 01:53:52 AM
How does an A4000 do 128MB on the motherboard?  I thought the max an A4000 could have was 16MB on the motherboard.   Perhaps he means 128MB on the 060 accelerator.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: LoadWB on February 29, 2012, 02:04:57 AM
Notice how his "BIN" notice is not text but a graphic.  Keeps him under the radar.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Fleetingthought on February 29, 2012, 02:10:21 AM
It's a scam, someone has cracked that guys ebay account and 're-listed' one of his or another's auction.  The email me at 'whatever@free_email.com' with the a buy now listed (or phone #) in the auction is the giveaway and it's an old scam. Be wary...

Tom
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Firedawg on February 29, 2012, 02:15:51 AM
Yes, this seller is avoiding a "Reserve" fee, plus is side stepping the "Buy it now" fee.  Going to manual terminate the listing when the $1800 has been met.  eBay would like to know about this sellers listing description and terms a bit more.

The Dawg
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Darrin on February 29, 2012, 02:54:09 AM
Thanks for pointing out it was a scam.  I was bidding on that!  :D

I thought the specs were too good to be true, not to mention the "free shipping".
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Iggy on February 29, 2012, 03:00:49 AM
Stuff like this gives us all (who sell legitimately on Ebay) black eye.

ie - current listings on my wife's Ebay account.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/wendallbeans/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

You should always look for feedback scores and number of positive feedback responses.

But even then, sometimes crap like this pops up.

At least if its a scam, Ebay and Paypal buyer protection will cover the buyer against fraud.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Darrin on February 29, 2012, 03:10:31 AM
Now this little beauty is tempting me too:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COMMODORE-PET-Model-2001-VERY-RARE-/180829987818?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6661202060719658026

Here's one of the things that annoys me about certain eBay sellers:

Quote
No cracks, dents, chips, etc.  Being sold as-is.  Includes a power cord.  

I do not guarantee it's functionality in any way, shape or form


The thing has a power cord.  He shows a picture of it with a power cord.  How much effort does it take to plug it into a socket and flip the on/off switch?  He knows exactly what the functionality of it is, because if it did power up then he'd have taken a picture of the screen.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Iggy on February 29, 2012, 03:18:37 AM
Quote from: Darrin;681845
Now this little beauty is tempting me too:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COMMODORE-PET-Model-2001-VERY-RARE-/180829987818?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6661202060719658026

What scares me (although I remember lusting after these when they were new) is that line at the bottom of the listing.

"I do not guarantee it's functionality in any way, shape or form."
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Darrin on February 29, 2012, 03:49:48 AM
Quote from: Iggy;681846
What scares me (although I remember lusting after these when they were new) is that line at the bottom of the listing.

"I do not guarantee it's functionality in any way, shape or form."


Yep, in other words:  "This item is completely buggered"

Still, it would look nice in the corner of my computer room.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: orb85750 on February 29, 2012, 04:05:25 AM
An expensive statue?  But a cool one, nonetheless.  Yes, computers used to be cool.  Now they're just Chinese-made commodities.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: LoadWB on February 29, 2012, 04:30:57 AM
Quote from: Iggy;681846
What scares me (although I remember lusting after these when they were new) is that line at the bottom of the listing.

"I do not guarantee it's functionality in any way, shape or form."


And yet, pictures obviously show it in perfect working order.  I'm on-board with the hacked account scam theory.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: drHirudo on February 29, 2012, 10:21:22 AM
Having a power cord is a big plus for selling vintage computers.

For example this IIGS has separate picture of the power cord
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-Apple-Mac-IIGS-II-GS-A2S6000-Computer-w-Power-Cord-1989-/390394509377
and it is mentioned in the title

Doesn't matter if it works or not. IT HAS POWER CORD.

I see a lot of items with Power cord description.

Are the power cords something very R@Re for the vintage collectors? If yes, I will list my basement full with power cords of all genres, including Pravetz power cords.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: persia on February 29, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
@Iggy

(http://soulfulplanet.com/forum/uploads/animated%20rotfl%20cat.gif)

As if there was something that could actually give Scambay a worse reputation than it already has....
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: chfriend on February 29, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
It looks like the item has been removed
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Darrin on February 29, 2012, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: chfriend;681864
It looks like the item has been removed


I got an email from eBay as I had bid on it stating that the item had been removed and that the account hodler was not at fault.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: orb85750 on February 29, 2012, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: Darrin;681879
I got an email from eBay as I had bid on it stating that the item had been removed and that the account hodler was not at fault.


Hey, the scammer can't be all bad.  At least he recognizes that Amiga is cool!
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: save2600 on February 29, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
...darn, and I was all set to win that for $300 or less, drive out and pick that up myself.  :laughing:
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: hese7 on December 09, 2012, 11:37:43 AM
It's listed again:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200861587335
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Akiko on December 09, 2012, 12:39:39 PM
If you look at the other items he's currently selling it must amount to somewhere near a hundred thousand dollars, very very suspicious!
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: lassie on December 09, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: hese7;718217
It's listed again:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200861587335


That is some Amiga 4000T, it sure is loaded :)
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: haywirepc on December 09, 2012, 02:09:16 PM
If you look at the other items he's currently selling it must amount to somewhere near a hundred thousand dollars, very very suspicious!

Yes and most items have the don't bid graphic... which is a violation of the terms of service for posting an auction.... Amazing ebay is letting that go...

Steven
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: lassie on December 09, 2012, 02:18:04 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;718224
If you look at the other items he's currently selling it must amount to somewhere near a hundred thousand dollars, very very suspicious!

Yes and most items have the don't bid graphic... which is a violation of the terms of service for posting an auction.... Amazing ebay is letting that go...

Steven


Hi mate
What do you mean with, it does not have the don't bid graphic
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Ami_GFX on December 09, 2012, 03:15:45 PM
The real seller sold this A4000T last year. The same fraudster has been hacking into seller accounts and listing it--the picture and description were obviously pulled from the original listing. Don't bid on it!!!. Click on the report item link on the listing and report it to ebay.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Ami_GFX on December 09, 2012, 03:34:12 PM
Here is the original listing from the original seller:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultimate-Amiga-4000T-Loaded-/190570703013?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=tToPwofhwqY08wU18sVl1vKc1FI%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

And here is the the thread about it with the reaction to the sale price and the fraud that followed. It's been popping up every few months since then:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=59007&highlight=ultimate+amiga+4000t
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: danbeaver on December 09, 2012, 05:00:50 PM
Yeah, bad penny that one.

Nor is it an Ultimate except in waste of RAM. Ultimate means to me a PCI solution, a PPC, USB, and modern OS.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: lassie on December 11, 2012, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: Ami_GFX;718229
The real seller sold this A4000T last year. The same fraudster has been hacking into seller accounts and listing it--the picture and description were obviously pulled from the original listing. Don't bid on it!!!. Click on the report item link on the listing and report it to ebay.



The listing it removed now. it is strange, people find it funny to hack websites and do something like this, they could maybe use there "talent" to something else.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Blinx123 on December 11, 2012, 04:01:57 PM
Quote from: lassie;718530
The listing it removed now. it is strange, people find it funny to hack websites and do something like this, they could maybe use there "talent" to something else.


I'm quite sure fun is not what they seek.
They mainly seek money.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: lassie on December 11, 2012, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Blinx123;718533
I'm quite sure fun is not what they seek.
They mainly seek money.


Hi
Yes they are after money sometimes. But if the Amiga got sold, there would never be a transaction, and if there were, the seller will get the money. How can they get money from doing this.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Blinx123 on December 11, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: lassie;718535
Hi
Yes they are after money sometimes. But if the Amiga got sold, there would never be a transaction, and if there were, the seller will get the money. How can they get money from doing this.


If they've gotten this far, surely they would know how to change the payment information inside the original seller's profile, wouldn't they?
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: lassie on December 11, 2012, 04:34:13 PM
Quote from: Blinx123;718540
If they've gotten this far, surely they would know how to change the payment information inside the original seller's profile, wouldn't they?


Hi
Yes you are right, they could have done that.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: psxphill on December 11, 2012, 05:16:35 PM
Quote from: lassie;718535
Hi
Yes they are after money sometimes. But if the Amiga got sold, there would never be a transaction, and if there were, the seller will get the money. How can they get money from doing this.

They want you to contact them direct, my guess is you'd pay them through some way that couldn't be reversed. While most sane people wouldn't do the latter, they filter out those by making it look dodgy. They only need one gullible person.
 
It's the same reason why the Nigerian scams are so over the top.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: amiman99 on December 12, 2012, 03:55:42 AM
This A4000 is re-listed again under different seller and definetly there is something wrong with that account. Every item is for sale for $1925, if you send email directly.
Check out all items for sale under username *mad*hatters*tea*party5052 (http://myworld.ebay.com/*mad*hatters*tea*party5052?_trksid=p2047675.l2559)
http://www.ebay.com/sch/*mad*hatters*tea*party5052/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: ChaosLord on December 12, 2012, 04:22:09 AM
When they ask for your bank routing number JUST SAY NO.

When they ask for your credit card info JUST SAY NO.

When they ask you to cash a check for them JUST SAY NO.

When they ask you to meet them at the corner of Main and Broadway to pick up your merchandise.  Be sure to take someone with you.  When a dodgy guy shows up and you ask him why he is an hour late and he says "Well I saw you but I didn't think it was you.  You were supposed to be alone but you brought your girlfriend and that threw me off.  Gimme the $200.00 and I will go get your merchandise.  Its 2 blocks away at Angelo's house."  JUST SAY NO.

I actually had that happen to me!  An idiot actually thought I would fall for that.  O   M   G
Title: Re: A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: danbeaver on December 25, 2012, 01:25:15 AM
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...

IT IS BACK!  The A4000T that will never go away. Oops!  It just disappeared!

Same ad: Ultimate Tower, ya de ya, "Don't bid, call or email me first"

Keep watching that monitor folks!  He's sure to return.
Title: Re: A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Iggy on December 25, 2012, 03:23:27 AM
Quote from: danbeaver;720254
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...
 
IT IS BACK! The A4000T that will never go away. Oops! It just disappeared!
 
Same ad: Ultimate Tower, ya de ya, "Don't bid, call or email me first"
 
Keep watching that monitor folks! He's sure to return.

I keep reporting this and it keeps popping up in further listings.
 
Considering that I keep my Ebay listings on the up and up, this pisses me off.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: amiman99 on January 12, 2013, 04:11:28 AM
It's BAAACK!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultimate-Amiga-4000T-Loaded-/290843257308?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item43b79be9dc

Do not bid, the account is hacked!!! Most listings are $2000 BIN only if you email him/them.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Akiko on January 12, 2013, 04:55:10 AM
I wonder by time eBay gets it's finger out, how many people these fraudsters each time will have reeled in.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: marioman23 on January 13, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
And its gone again. Certainly doesn't last long, does it?

Not that that's a bad thing.
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: marioman23 on January 13, 2013, 11:34:44 PM
Listings like that just get in the way of people like me who are still searching to buy one.
Title: Re: A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: danbeaver on January 14, 2013, 03:21:50 AM
Quote from: Iggy;720259
I keep reporting this and it keeps popping up in further listings.
 
Considering that I keep my Ebay listings on the up and up, this pisses me off.

Odd, you trashed my listing!
Title: Re: 77 cent A4000T on eBay -- blatant policy violation
Post by: Ami_GFX on January 14, 2013, 04:15:46 AM
The really evil thing about this is the hacking into eBay seller accounts. The pattern keeps repeating with the A4000T and other items that sold for nice prices being put into another seller's account every few days or so with buy it now via a gmail account. The last one was a seller who sold cosmetics and the only listing that fit into the sellers line was a vintage Barbie doll--A4000s aren't the only things that can bring good money on eBay. This has been going on for a while. A criminal complaint could be filed and signed by Google as well as eBay since Googles service's are being misused by the fraudsters.