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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmigaClassicRule on February 17, 2012, 07:50:25 PM
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Hey guys,
I am deciding to cut down on the expense on expanding my A1200 to buy SAM 460 instead. The intention is just to upgrade my Amiga 1200 to have 64 MB of RAM to be able to play games better and being 030 it is 100% compatible for games and I like it that way.
However, I am deciding to buy SAM 460 AmigaOS 4.1 to replace my PC as I am not using my PC for gaming, I am using it for browsing the internet, watching videos and checking emails that is pretty much what I can do in the AmigaOS 4.1 with ease.
Advantage of doing this change:
1) No viruses ever on my computer
2) No more stupid malware
3) Faster speed boot time and response time to applications
4) save in my electric bill as I am using 400+watt power supply but the SAM 460 need only 100 watt to run. Saving a lot in heat and energy.
5) I will turn my PC on only for the purpose for software development and developing games for xBox 360 and consoles
All my gaming is in my xBox 360 and Amiga 1200 anyways, so I do not need PC for that.
The only question I need to ask is what is the best power supply for SAM 460 and direct me to a good site to buy casing, I like normal Sata 1 HD where I can buy that.
Can I use my pc keyboard and mouse to use it on SAM 460 or it needs a special keyboard or mouse and thanks in advance.
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They all use standard USB keyboards and mice. I have a Logitech G 19 keyboard and G 9 mouse on my SAM. Any ATX PSU will do, any SATA HD and optical drive will work just find. Root around locally and find good buys on the PSU, HD and opt drive.
If you plan to use the SAM for playing legacy games or running legacy applications without a hitch, and without an emulator - you will be disappointed. Just a disclaimer - I had a fellow buy a SAM 440 after I told him how much I enjoyed mine, only to have him curse me out when he got it he tried to one click run programs from 1987 on it and only got reaper messages and lockups. A SAM is by no means a replacement for a A1200 if you are into gaming or just "expecting all Amiga SW to work" - other emu platforms are cheaper, or just use legacy HW.
As for boot times, my Win7 PC boots just as quick as my SAM with OS4.1u4, both running SSDs.
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They all use standard USB keyboards and mice. I have a Logitech G 19 keyboard and G 9 mouse on my SAM. Any ATX PSU will do, any SATA HD and optical drive will work just find. Root around locally and find good buys on the PSU, HD and opt drive.
If you plan to use the SAM for playing legacy games or running legacy applications without a hitch, and without an emulator - you will be disappointed. Just a disclaimer - I had a fellow buy a SAM 440 after I told him how much I enjoyed mine, only to have him curse me out when he got it he tried to one click run programs from 1987 on it and only got reaper messages and lockups. A SAM is by no means a replacement for a A1200 if you are into gaming or just "expecting all Amiga SW to work" - other emu platforms are cheaper, or just use legacy HW.
As for boot times, my Win7 PC boots just as quick as my SAM with OS4.1u4, both running SSDs.
I am in no way intending to replace A1200 with SAM 460. Like I said it is intended to replace my PC and not my A1200. I play games on my A1200 and on the PC I run a video player to play shows and movies, like duckman etc while I play on my A1200. I come home and click firefox and check my gmail account and banking account and come to amig.org and youtube. That is pretty much what I do on my PC. I use utorrent to download movies and stuff and I burn on DVD that is all I use my PC for. I can do ALL of that on AmigaOS 4.1 SAM 460 easy.
As for games I play them only on xBox 360 and on my Amiga 1200 (that is why I need to upgrade my Amiga 1200 from 16 MB to 64 MB). If I am in need to develop applications using .NET I will use my laptop and do laptop upgrades if need be.
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Yep, was clear on the PC replacement issue - just wanted to make sure I didn't give any glowing endorsements ever again on the SAM's, only to have someone let down when they buy their own. Saves me getting shouted at again by PM when someone finds the new gen machines don't run legacy apps out of the box, hehe.
I enjoy mine a great deal for what it is, however I could never use it for a PC replacement. After trying the new Timberwolf release as well as OWB again recently, the browser situation on OS4 is getting much better but there's still a fair bit of online stuff I do that doesn't work correctly, or otherwise at performances I find acceptable for mundane day to day tasks (on the SAM). My requirements are quite unique however, where some of my business dealings require using very half assed coded intranet type corporate pages that were likely coded initially for IE 5.
YMMV with a beefier system like the 460, the 440ep with 512 MB ram and onboard graphics like my SAM 440ep is, it is obviously a far less powerful machine and you should definitely notice the extra grunt the 460 packs.
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Yep, OS4 suffers from the same problem MorphOS has 9and many flavors of Linux), poor Flash support.
Want to run Firefox? Use a different platform because Timberwolf isn't better then OWB.
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Aye - the same thing that makes you mostly immune to stuff like viruses and malware on more obscure platforms, it also turns around and bites you in the rear due to general usability in regards to the stuff we expect out of modern computers. The SW just isn't there.
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Aye - the same thing that makes you mostly immune to stuff like viruses and malware on more obscure platforms, it also turns around and bites you in the rear due to general usability in regards to the stuff we expect out of modern computers. The SW just isn't there.
I understand the horrors of being an Amiga user. However, I have my Windows 7 laptop to browse sites where my new SAM 460 is not going to be able to display but for all my daily use of movies, mp3 player, viewing comic strips BLAH BLAH BLAH I would rather use that on an AmigaOS 4.1 being safe from virus and malware and I will place all my personal data there and also keep it as a safe device to store my programs and applications I am developing and I will use my laptop for other things and software developments and stuff like that.
OK? ok.
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If all you do on your pc is browse the web, check your mail and play videos and movies, then why bother at all? I don't see how you can get any malware by just doing these things. I'd keep my money in my pocket if I were you, especially because I can't imagine a SAM being better for video playing than a pc that costs the same.
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Yeah, a properly secured Windows system will be safe from most viruses and malware... If you are really concerned then just get a Mac... For the money, unless you have a specific need for a Sam and OS4, you are better off with a Mac or a PC :)
There is also the option of running an AROS distribution on your PC.
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Timberwolf isn't better then OWB.
On what machine did you test Timberwolf?
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But macs can also get viruses...
Maybe not much of a problem now but i predict Apple becoming more of a target as they get more and more popular. Just saying...
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I'd keep my money in my pocket if I were you, especially because I can't imagine a SAM being better for video playing than a pc that costs the same.
I can't understand why people from this community tries to talk people away from buyiny a NG Amiga??? If you are a genuine Amiga user you would want to get more people away from the PC!
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@AmigaClassicRule (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=9607)
I would recommend you to ask your questions at Amigans.net - they are you NG-hostile, like most users on this forum.
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@AmigaClassicRule (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=9607)
I would recommend you to ask your questions at Amigans.net - they are you NG-hostile, like most users on this forum.
Actually i would say that overall this forum is well balanced between what Amiga flavors people prefer :)
And i wouldn't call it hostile either. Just friendly Rivalry :hammer:
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I can't understand why people from this community tries to talk people away from buyiny a NG Amiga??? If you are a genuine Amiga user you would want to get more people away from the PC!
I think people here want to make sure that other forum memeber get the best deal, and enter into a situation with their eyes wide open. That's why I trust the guys here.
If the original poster really wants to get a Sam then nothing is stopping him, and I'm pretty sure he will enjoy it. But he asked a specific set of questions and got some honest answers.
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I can't understand why people from this community tries to talk people away from buyiny a NG Amiga??? If you are a genuine Amiga user you would want to get more people away from the PC!
I'm an Amiga user, but not an 'NG Amiga' user. Someone has a pc which probably works perfectly well for it's intended use, and then they want to down grade to a SAM? Yes, I have to advice against that. They'd end up with a less capable browser and less video playing performance (as far as I know). For the price of a SAM you can probably get a pc that has full hd playback capability.
I'm not going to advise people to get less for more.
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But he's not considering buying another PC, he's considering buying a SAM.
People make choices - and people who buys MAC's also pay more for less - but that's their decision.
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But he asked a specific set of questions and got some honest answers.
Problem is we're all biased in someway. I can not give him the right answer, since I'm biased too.
Only people who can give a honest answer is other 460 owners. Some of them af for sure happy about their 460, and some are probably not
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@ AmigaClassicRule
Better get a Powermac G4/mini/powerbook and set up a dual boot system of MorphOS and OS X.
Benefits:
- MorphOS is more polished than OS4
- hardware is reasonable fast and cheap
- decent browser is alsready avaialble
- Mplayer port is more polished
- OS X will fill all those gaps MorphOS still has.
Sam460 is new, but a bit slow and rather expensive. OS4 is not as advanced as MorphOS and crucial software as browsers or Mplayer is not as polished as the MorphOS pendants.
It's an easy decision.
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But he's not considering buying another PC, he's considering buying a SAM.
I know that, which is why I advised him to keep his money in his pocket in my first post.
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I can't understand why people from this community tries to talk people away from buyiny a NG Amiga??? If you are a genuine Amiga user you would want to get more people away from the PC!
I remember at one of the amiga shows that happened after commodore went under I saw one of the big distributors at the time selling someone a rather expensive ram board for an a1200. The customer was a little slow and the salesman was taking advantage.
I bought an Amiga because it was the best for the price, not out of any loyalty. I would only ever recommend someone buying something that was the best for them. If someone decides to spend money on a dream then that is their own lookout, but I wouldn't recommend anyone sink money into Amiga products for anything other than nostalgia.
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I will place all my personal data there and also keep it as a safe device to store my programs and applications I am developing
I would seriously recommend using something safer for that. Having no proper memory protection any app writing to a wrong location in memory can screw up the file system. There isn't repair tool available for the file systems, except perhaps FFS. If the HW dies you cannot even access the files if you're using the SFS2 or JXFS.
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But macs can also get viruses...
Maybe not much of a problem now but i predict Apple becoming more of a target as they get more and more popular. Just saying...
OSX has no less bloat than Win7, but Macs cost 200-300% more than PCs.
OSX <> perfect replacement for Amigans IMO.
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"1) No viruses ever on my computer"
Neither on Linux or OSX :P
"2) No more stupid malware"
Same as above :)
"3) Faster speed boot time and response time to applications"
What applications?
"4) save in my electric bill as I am using 400+watt power supply but the SAM 460 need only 100 watt to run. Saving a lot in heat and energy."
You can also buy low consuming x86 motherboards which are way more powerful and useful than a SAM460 at a fraction of the price.
If maybe you said "I want to buy a SAM460 because it will let me run Amiga OS4.1" I would understand (albeit at a very expensive price), but none of the reasons you mentioned warrant spending 1000+ Euro.
Just in my very humble opinion of course. =D
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"1) No viruses ever on my computer"
Neither on Linux or OSX :P
"2) No more stupid malware"
Same as above :)
"3) Faster speed boot time and response time to applications"
What applications?
"4) save in my electric bill as I am using 400+watt power supply but the SAM 460 need only 100 watt to run. Saving a lot in heat and energy."
You can also buy low consuming x86 motherboards which are way more powerful and useful than a SAM460 at a fraction of the price.
If maybe you said "I want to buy a SAM460 because it will let me run Amiga OS4.1" I would understand (albeit at a very expensive price), but none of the reasons you mentioned warrant spending 1000+ Euro.
Just in my very humble opinion of course. =D
Maybe you are right guys. OK. Then what I will do is then save my money up and buy NatAmi then and sell my A1200 when NatAmi is out as the final and ultimate "classic" Amiga hardware upgrades. I will use my PC for all my personal and development reasons and I have not upgraded my PC for over 3 years now and for my usage I am in no need for upgrading for a long time. So my money is indeed saved a lot in hardware expenses, I can enjoy spending on things that benefit me the most: bills, family, games (software), etc.
Thanks all for your genuine advice.
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Did not mean to dissuade you from any NG Amiga purchase by any means - as I said, I myself use a SAM as my sole Amiga lately. But I simply couldn't recommend one as a PC replacement unless your needs were rudimentary to the level of "I check my hotmail and listen to a few MP3's and that's all I need a computer for". I love my SAM for what it is, but a PC replacement it simply isn't.
My recommendation, honestly - keep your eyes open for a PPC Mac that is compatible with MorphOS. Heck, around my parts people give the things away. Download MorphOS demo, give it a whirl and if you enjoy it it can be registered. If not, you still have a low cost Mac running OS X that is capable of pretty much anything you need it to do. Or run Linux on it if you dislike OS X or MorphOS, or simply sell the thing off. Mac Mini's can be had for $100 any day of the week.
In a perfect world, Hyperion would port OS4 to the old PPC Mac's and we could all explore OS4 at a far lower price point, but that won't happen anytime soon. It's a terrific OS that is locked to extremely costly hardware at the moment.
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4) save in my electric bill as I am using 400+watt power supply but the SAM 460 need only 100 watt to run. Saving a lot in heat and energy.
While you might save in your electric bill it is going to take several years until you break even.
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I can't understand why people from this community tries to talk people away from buyiny a NG Amiga???
It's not an NG Amiga, it's a SAM460 running OS4.
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I myself use a SAM as my sole Amiga lately.
SAMs are not Amigas, when will people understand this? Probably never :lol:
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SAMs are not Amigas, when will people understand this? Probably never :lol:
Is the new AmigaOne X1000 then an Amiga or it stands the same probability as Sam460? Thanks in advance.
Hey if I upgrade my Amiga 1200 to Apollo 1260 would it break any gaming comapibility or I would have the same gaming experience as the 030 cpu? Off topic here.
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AmigaClassicsRule have you considered the upcoming Arcade FPGA =) - you can put a real 060 on it.
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AmigaClassicsRule have you considered the upcoming Arcade FPGA =) - you can put a real 060 on it.
^^ This. I am eagerly looking forward to the FPGArcade with the add on board, seems the ultimate solution.
AGA Amiga on the FPGArcade itself - check
Ethernet and '060 on the daughterboard - check
Small footprint, low power usage, excellent price compared to Ebaying a bunch of old kit and cobbling together an A1200 - check
Codebase/firmware that will always be worked on and improved - check
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4) save in my electric bill as I am using 400+watt power supply but the SAM 460 need only 100 watt to run. Saving a lot in heat and energy.
How many watts does a typical Sam460 consume?
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My 90w PSU for my 2.23ghz 64bit Core 2 Duo Inspiron 9400 uses less power than all of those and has HD1200p rez. Not a reason to buy it though!
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As for boot times, my Win7 PC boots just as quick as my SAM with OS4.1u4, both running SSDs.
Yeah, since Update 3 OS4.1's boot time has become a lot slower, it's the same as my Windows 7 PC now as well. Hopefully it'll be restored to how it was pre-update 3 at some point, I could soft reboot in around 3-5 seconds then, more like 25-30 now.
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How many watts does a typical Sam460 consume?
I happen to have my machines hooked up via a power meter, and the Sam460ex consumes approx. 18 Watts when sitting idle in Workbench, 21 Watts when compiling, and 24 Watts when it's running Composite3DDemo (http://hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/c3d/). This is with a Radeon HD 4650 graphics card.
Hans
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Curious, because you can configure some pretty low power PCs. My i3-2100t HTPCs with 8GB RAM consume around 16w at idle, and bump up to the low 20s when playing back full bitrate BluRays ripped to MKVs.
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It's not an NG Amiga, it's a SAM460 running OS4.
Interesting. I guess we could say something similar about CUSA's C64x and their new "Amiga" line.
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SAMs are not Amigas, when will people understand this? Probably never :lol:
Really? I have a sam440ep and i was always under the impression that it was a NG amiga or was i mislead?
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@ Danwood:
Yeah, boot times have gotten longer, sadly. I chalk it up to the new AmigaOS 4.1 bootup "splashscreen" that came in u3?, I think. It literally is prolonging the boot process time wise by like 75%+.
Anyone know if this can be turned off? It's a real pain in the ass, the machine sans splashscreen could have been cold booted 3 times with a SSD in the time you sit waiting on the splashscreen, if the splashscreen was optional. I don't recall seeing any switch options or ways to disable it in the docs, but I could have very well missed something.
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If I buy the Apollo 1260 would I be able to run all WHDLOAD games with no problem? Would it effect my gaming compatibility? Thanks in advance.
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Curious, because you can configure some pretty low power PCs. My i3-2100t HTPCs with 8GB RAM consume around 16w at idle, and bump up to the low 20s when playing back full bitrate BluRays ripped to MKVs.
I think that a fair bit of the power consumption in my case is the graphics card. The PPC460ex processor uses ~6.35W at 1 GHz with DDR2 RAM (according to the datasheet that I looked at), but the Radeon HD 4650 has a TDP of 48W (if you trust wikipedia).
The idle power consumption could probably be trimmed further if power-management was implemented in the RadeonHD driver. As things currently stand, the GPU and VRAM are always run at max clock-speeds and voltages.
EDIT: Likewise, idle power consumption could probably be reduced a bit if unused hardware such as the on-board graphics card could be powered down completely.
Hans
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If I buy the Apollo 1260 would I be able to run all WHDLOAD games with no problem? Would it effect my gaming compatibility? Thanks in advance.
A 68030 card is the most compatible with whdload games, on a 68060 card some games do have slowdown problems with whdload. I owned a Cyberstorm PPC card with 060 and games like Sensible Soccer and Chaos Engine had slowdown problems.
IMHO stick with a 030 card if you mainly play whdload games on your Amiga.
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@ Danwood:
Yeah, boot times have gotten longer, sadly. I chalk it up to the new AmigaOS 4.1 bootup "splashscreen" that came in u3?, I think. It literally is prolonging the boot process time wise by like 75%+.
I highly doubt that the new splash-screen is the cause. AmigaOS 4.x has had a boot screen for ages, and changing the colour of the pixels won't suddenly slow it down. Have you added "run >NIL:" in front of the line that starts up networking? Maybe you used to have that, and forgot to reinsert it after an update. The complete line in my startup-sequence reads:
Run >NIL: NIL: Execute S:Network-Startup
Anyone know if this can be turned off? It's a real pain in the ass, the machine sans splashscreen could have been cold booted 3 times with a SSD in the time you sit waiting on the splashscreen, if the splashscreen was optional. I don't recall seeing any switch options or ways to disable it in the docs, but I could have very well missed something.
Like I said above, I doubt that disabling the splash screen will make a difference. Nevertheless, if you dislike it so much, commenting out "MODULE Kickstart/bootimage" in the kicklayout should get rid of it.
Hans
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Really? I have a sam440ep and i was always under the impression that it was a NG amiga or was i mislead?
Yep, it's just an Amiga clone like Aros and MorphOS. IMHO no matter how much money you spend on it, it's still not a real Amiga. 97% of the software available for OS4 is just a mediocre to bad Linux port. Sorry but everything you can run on a 1000+$ Sam440ep runs better on a 50$ x86 running Linux.
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Thanks Hans, I'll try to disable the boot image entirely with your MODULE Kickstart/bootimage advice.
Yeh, I am sure that's what the delay is - when it sits there for 7 seconds with just the splashscreen showing, I can't think of what else it would be. Nothing else has changed, and the machine actually stays on the splashscreen longer than the entire boot process from cold to usable status ever did previously. It got much worse with the latest update it seems.
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I highly doubt that the new splash-screen is the cause. AmigaOS 4.x has had a boot screen for ages, and changing the colour of the pixels won't suddenly slow it down. Have you added "run >NIL:" in front of the line that starts up networking? Maybe you used to have that, and forgot to reinsert it after an update. The complete line in my startup-sequence reads:
Run >NIL: NIL: Execute S:Network-Startup
I don't like doing this as I have some Commodities that expect net access on boot, so I get a heap of requesters complaining doing it this way, as the network stack often hadn't loaded up by the time Workbench had loaded.
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Thanks Hans, I'll try to disable the boot image entirely with your MODULE Kickstart/bootimage advice.
Yeh, I am sure that's what the delay is - when it sits there for 7 seconds with just the splashscreen showing, I can't think of what else it would be. Nothing else has changed, and the machine actually stays on the splashscreen longer than the entire boot process from cold to usable status ever did previously. It got much worse with the latest update it seems.
The boot screen has absolutely no impact on the boot time once the screen shows. The only delay is the time taken to load the boot image, and open the screen.
Usually, when the boot screen sits there for several seconds, it's due to a router taking its time in delivering an IP address via DHCP. This is why I mentioned the startup-sequence change that allows booting to continue even though the network isn't up yet.
Hans
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SAMs are not Amigas, when will people understand this? Probably never :lol:
sam arent amigas and os4 arent amigaos, just put os4 for classics to a a1200/4000 and see the difference.
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Yep, it's just an Amiga clone like Aros and MorphOS. IMHO no matter how much money you spend on it, it's still not a real Amiga. 97% of the software available for OS4 is just a mediocre to bad Linux port. Sorry but everything you can run on a 1000+$ Sam440ep runs better on a 50$ x86 running Linux.
Don't worry dude.
Its a Amiga "clone" with hardware that's much more powerful then a "real" Amiga.
All NG Amiga's are designed to have 3.1 API compatibility. No hardware compatibility, but the hardware is obsolete.
So you can wait for a hobbyist to invent a FPGA based "new" Amiga, or move on.
Purists are always going to throw that term "emulation" around, but emulation runs circles around "real" its time to get over it.
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sam arent amigas and os4 arent amigaos, just put os4 for classics to a a1200/4000 and see the difference.
Actually, that would be a good idea for some of you. Try it.
Some older software that won't run of newer PPC based machines runs on PPC equipped Amigas (because it can hit hardware not present on a Sam or X1000).
Oh, and not all programs under AOS4 (and MorphOS for that matter) are bad Linux ports. Personally, there are a few OpenGL based ports under MorphOS that make any game under older Amiga OS versions look sad.
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While I'm sure you could enjoy a new Sam, let's correct misconceptions in your list as to why:
>Advantage of doing this change:
>1) No viruses ever on my computer
>2) No more stupid malware
Just because you aren't aware of any such things today doesn't mean there aren't or won't be such things in the future, specifically if its Internet enabled. web browsers and their javascript engines can have security issues that don't depend on the underlying OS and CPU type.
Unix based codes might not have proper security checks when running in an Amiga OS type environment because some hacks were made to quickly port the code and security testing lacking because the original code expects the OS to behave in ways that are common for Unix but not for an Amiga OS. You only feel safe because the small market share doesn't make you the most tempting and lowest hanging fruit to compromise.
3) Faster speed boot time and response time to applications
OK, that may be true.
4) save in my electric bill as I am using 400+watt power supply but the SAM 460 need only 100 watt to run. Saving a lot in heat and energy.
The power supply wattage isn't what it consumes on a constant basis, it is what it can put out dynamically if necessary. If your cpu, disks, gfx card are low power you'll never come close to dissipating 400W by any part of the system. Many PCs ship with overbuilt power supplies because the vendors don't want someone hooking up all the most power hungry components they can imagine and blowing it out.
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Hey guys? Is this the mac mini I need to buy to run MorphOS? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-Mini-Desktop-A1103-1-42Ghz-80GB-512MB-/170784571865?pt=Apple_Desktops&hash=item27c38dc1d9
Another question, if I do buy this mac mini can I just download morphOS on this machien directly and install it on the machine right away without any necessary hacks, emulators, etc? Would it install stand-alone like linux, AmigaOS 4.1 on SAM,etc?
Can I just download the MorphOS ISO image, burn it on a CD, place the CD into this mac mini, boot mac mini and bang she installs the morphOS right on the HD?
If the answer is yes then I will try MorphOS right away and if i do like it, I will register it also right away. Thanks in advance. If it does work I will turn Mac mini as a morphOS only OS.
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Hey guys? Is this the mac mini I need to buy to run MorphOS? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-Mini-Desktop-A1103-1-42Ghz-80GB-512MB-/170784571865?pt=Apple_Desktops&hash=item27c38dc1d9
Yes
Another question, if I do buy this mac mini can I just download morphOS on this machien directly and install it on the machine right away without any necessary hacks, emulators, etc?
Yes
Would it install stand-alone like linux, AmigaOS 4.1 on SAM,etc?
Yes
Can I just download the MorphOS ISO image, burn it on a CD, place the CD into this mac mini, boot mac mini and bang she installs the morphOS right on the HD?
Yes :)
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Nnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiicceeeee buying it here we come!!!!!!!!!!
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Nnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiicceeeee buying it here we come!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 1.5 GHz mini and it flies! Have fun with your mini.
Another great feature of MorphOS: updates are free (hence there's no need wait with registration while a new version is on the horizon but not there yet (3.0)).
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Don't worry dude.
Its a Amiga "clone" with hardware that's much more powerful then a "real" Amiga.
All NG Amiga's are designed to have 3.1 API compatibility. No hardware compatibility, but the hardware is obsolete.
So you can wait for a hobbyist to invent a FPGA based "new" Amiga, or move on.
Purists are always going to throw that term "emulation" around, but emulation runs circles around "real" its time to get over it.
Uhh, I'm not worried at all dude :p
I've used MorphOS from 2003 until 2010 so I know what I'm talking about, It's one of the two reasons I stopped using MorphOS allthough I liked it and IMHO it's by far the best AmigaOS clone out there but I totally lost interrest in MorphOS and any of the other alternative Amiga OS's. I'm happy with my real Amiga's, they do what I expect them to do and there's tons of software written especially for them.
It's got notting to do with the term 'purist' or ' emulation' at all, I just came to the conclusion that I can run all the software (mostly Linux ports) available for the clone's much better and faster on cheaper and easily available hardware with my preferred OS (Linux), so why should I waste my money, time and effort with any of the clone's when I allready got what I want and need.
It's not the OS that made the Amiga famous, it was the software written for it which was innovative and the creativity of its users, sadly none of the alternatives bring that to the table.
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Yes :)
Piru? Showing emotion? :eek:
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Purists are always going to throw that term "emulation" around, but emulation runs circles around "real" its time to get over it.
I don't think purists even care about that at all :)
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Your right. DosBox sux.