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News from A-EON Technology News Update e-mail
http://www.a-eon.com/
Wellington, 25th January 2012
AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 CD for the AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" system has gone GOLD!
A-EON Technology and Hyperion Entertainment are pleased to announce that the AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 CD, exclusively created for the AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" system has gone gold. The professionally re-mastered CD will be supplied in a printed boxed set along with copies of the AmigaONE X1000 and AmigaOS 4.1 "Quick Start" guides. Steven Solie, Hyperion Entertainment's AmigaOS Development Team Lead said, "The team worked hard to reach this important milestone in the development of the Amiga Operating System. With AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 completed for the AmigaONE X1000 we can concentrate on versions for all the other supported hardware platforms as we continue to push towards the future release of AmigaOS 4.2." Trevor Dickinson added, "I would like to thank the AmigaOS developers and the whole AmigaONE X1000 betatest team who have worked so tirelessly behinds the scenes to make this a reality. I would also like to give special thanks to a few key members of the team who went above and beyond the "call of duty" to ensure the success of this project. You know who you are." The AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 boxed set will be supplied to all AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" customers who will also receive a free update to AmigaOS 4.2 when it is commercially released by Hyperion Entertainment.
AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" systems now shipping
A-EON Technology and AmigaKit are pleased to announced that the deliveries of AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" systems have commenced. Matthew Leaman, Managing Director of AmigaKit commented, "we are pleased to finally supply this eagerly awaited AmigaONE computer system to our customers". Trevor Dickinson added, "I have just received my own AmigaONE X1000 system and I hope "First Contact" owners will have as much fun as I'm having with my new "Amiga". All that remains to be said is let's "keep this part going!"
A-EON Technology
About AmigaKit: AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a world-wide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software. A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for all its AmigaONE products.
About A-EON Technology and the AmigaONE X1000: A-EON Technology is the developer of the AmigaONE X1000 computer system designed by Varisys Ltd for running the AmigaOS. The AmigaOne X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the Amiga Operating System. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga's PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a "Software Defined Silicon" co-processor. Above all it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.
About Hyperion Entertainment: Hyperion Entertainment is the developer of the AmigaOS.
AmigaKit website: http://www.amigakit.com/
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"Trevor Dickinson added, I have just received my own AmigaONE X1000 system and I hope "First Contact" owners will have as much fun as I'm having with my new "AmigaOne".
There, I corrected it for you! :)
Anyways, good news for the X1000 customers...
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How does "re-mastered" apply for a data disc?
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There, I corrected it for you! :)
Anyways, good news for the X1000 customers...
Damn, I would had a bet today that you will be the first to post on AmigaOS 4.1 news item.
Piru is slow these days. Shame on him.
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Piru is slow these days.
There's nothing to comment in this news item. Well, other than it lacks all vital information, but one has grown to expect that from these PR stunt announcements.
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Piru is slow these days.
There's nothing to comment in this news item. Well, other than it lacks all vital information, but one has grown to expect that from these PR stunt announcements.
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There's nothing to comment in this news item. Well, other than it lacks all vital information, but one has grown to expect that from these PR stunt announcements.
Lacks *all* vital information? Er, other than the latest os update is ready for the X1000 and that the systems are now shipping?!?! You're right, there's no information there at all, sigh...
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Lacks *all* vital information?
The title of item is "AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 CD for the AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" system has gone GOLD"
The subject topic is the update 5 CD for X1000. Thus, one would at lest expect to hear what are the improvements in the update 5, if any.
Additionally one would at least expect to learn what HW will be supported by this update.
- Does this update enable the 2nd CPU core to be used?
- Does this update enable the use of more than 2GB of the system memory?
- Does this update enable built-in audio?
- Does this update enable built-in SATA?
- Does this update enable built-in USB?
- Is there 3D support for the graphics cards included?
- Does this update enable/utilize the much praised XMOS chip?
I for one would be quite interested to hear what exactly can be expected from the system while waiting for the mysterious 4.2 release.
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The title of item is "AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 CD for the AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" system has gone GOLD"
The subject topic is the update 5 CD for X1000. Thus, one would at lest expect to hear what are the improvements in the update 5, if any.
Additionally one would at least expect to learn what HW will be supported by this update.
- Does this update enable the 2nd CPU core to be used?
- Does this update enable the use of more than 2GB of the system memory?
- Does this update enable built-in audio?
- Does this update enable built-in SATA?
- Does this update enable built-in USB?
- Is there 3D support for the graphics cards included?
- Does this update enable/utilize the much praised XMOS chip?
I for one would be quite interested to hear what exactly can be expected from the system while waiting for the mysterious 4.2 release.
A-Eon=hardware - Hyperion=software
A-Eon talking about s/w is akin to Apple talking about MorphOS. It makes no sense.
I'm sure the Hyperion blog will cover what you are asking.
#6
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There's nothing to comment in this news item. Well, other than it lacks all vital information, but one has grown to expect that from these PR stunt announcements.
How is it a PR stunt ?
They have announced the availability of the X1000, what do you expect them to say, it is NOT ready yet ?
Some so called "Amiga" users are just so negative about anything that isn't 20 years old or more.
BTW. My X1000 has been running very nicely for a while now :-)
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A-Eon=hardware - Hyperion=software
A-Eon talking about s/w is akin to Apple talking about MorphOS. It makes no sense.
I'm sure the Hyperion blog will cover what you are asking.
#6
but this is exactly a-eon talking about software, isnt it?
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My X1000 has been running very nicely for a while now :-)
Can you answer those questions then? Oh wait, I forgot, you're under NDA...
I guess it's up to the end users to find out for themselves what they're stuck with.
Am I really THAT unreasonable to think this situation just stinks?
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Another question this PR raises is:
Ssolie previously said that OS4.1.3, OS4.1.4 and OS4.1.5 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=672619&postcount=27) was all planned as part of his "frequent update releases" scheme, but this new PR almost sounds like the OS4.1.5 will only be for the X1000, and the new version for all the other supported hardware platforms will be OS4.2.0? So which one is it? Will OS4.1.5 be released as a bugfix update for existing OS4.1.4 users as well, and will it finally be an ISO (or maybe they will get the CD as well)? Or if no bugfix release will follow OS4.1.4 for existing OS4 users, will OS4.2.0 be a free upgrade for them as well, or was 4.1.4 how far the existing users will come without having to buy the OS once again at the release of OS4.2.0?
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Piru has a point - it is lacking those details.
Nonetheless, this is an important milestone. Congrats, guys!
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So many words, so little content.
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Can you answer those questions then? Oh wait, I forgot, you're under NDA...
I guess it's up to the end users to find out for themselves what they're stuck with.
Am I really THAT unreasonable to think this situation just stinks?
1. Yes, I would get shot if I mentioned more. Just be happy it is released and not a figment like you naysayers were saying not long ago.
2. So you will have to wait for an end user to tell you how good it is.
3. Yes you are.
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I guess it's up to the end users to find out for themselves what they're stuck with.
Am I really THAT unreasonable to think this situation just stinks?
i think they are doing it for a thrill anyway. what else could be a reason to get ivolved with that?
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Damn, I would had a bet today that you will be the first to post on AmigaOS 4.1 news item.
Well, I simply spotted that one of the stake-holders of th X1000 was marketing his product by calling it "Amiga", which they specifically don't have a license to do. And the thing is, there are other entities who paid good money *to have* that right, and who also have the right to *take legal actions* against such infringements. They can call it "AmigaOne" or "Amiga One" in their marketing, but they can't market it as "Amiga". Potentially, mistakes/violitions like that could jeopardize the whole Amiga Inc <-> Hyperion settlement, depending on the mood of the other relevant IP holders...
;)
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Another question this PR raises is:
Ssolie previously said that OS4.1.3, OS4.1.4 and OS4.1.5 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=672619&postcount=27) was all planned as part of his "frequent update releases" scheme, but this new PR almost sounds like the OS4.1.5 will only be for the X1000, and the new version for all the other supported hardware platforms will be OS4.2.0? So which one is it? Will OS4.1.5 be released as a bugfix update for existing OS4.1.4 users as well, and will it finally be an ISO (or maybe they will get the CD as well)? Or if no bugfix release will follow OS4.1.4 for existing OS4 users, will OS4.2.0 be a free upgrade for them as well, or was 4.1.4 how far the existing users will come without having to buy the OS once again at the release of OS4.2.0?
With AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 completed for the AmigaONE X1000 we can concentrate on versions for all the other supported hardware platforms as we continue to push towards the future release of AmigaOS 4.2.
How is that NOT clear?
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How is that NOT clear?
OK, English is not my native language, but I take it from your tone that I'm missing out on the obvious here. I guess I'll have to wait and see then...
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Trevor Dickinson added, "I have just received my own AmigaONE X1000 system and I hope "First Contact" owners will have as much fun as I'm having with my new "Amiga". All that remains to be said is let's "keep this part going!"
amazing to see they actually started to put "amiga" inside a quote. spotted a real typo through just in the following sentence.
"keep this part going!"
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spotted a real typo through just in the following sentence.
They can't discard/explain this away as a typo, they are not allowed to use "Amiga" in their marketing, period. I believe I recall ssolie did the same once as well...
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Again with the "GONE GOLD", as if OS4 has sold over 500,000 copies.
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Again with the "GONE GOLD", as if OS4 has sold over 500,000 copies.
"going gold"—is a term used when software is ready for or has been delivered or provided to the customer.
I think they're just stating it as it is ;)
Steve
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"going gold"—is a term used when software is ready for or has been delivered or provided to the customer.
I think they're just stating it as it is ;)
Steve
In the past didn't it refer to a program being put on a "master" CD with gold colored substrate, ready for mass duplication?
Anyway it's a misuse of the term.
Not that this has ever stopped them.
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A-Eon=hardware - Hyperion=software
A-Eon talking about s/w is akin to Apple talking about MorphOS. It makes no sense.
I'm sure the Hyperion blog will cover what you are asking.
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Normally you're on the ball #6, but in this case not so much. One of the reasons kas1e decided to stop OS4 development was because Hyperion doesn't post that kind of information, and ssolie even confirmed that they do not plan to. I expect what will be in the official support blog is a vague " bug fixes and/or improvements" with no specific or useful technical information.
Also, yes, it's A-eon on the hardware side, but it's up to Hyperion to make OS4 take full advantage of the hardware on the X1000, which it currently does not (to put it mildly). Thankfully Varisys ported Linux so the boards aren't completely useless.
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Again with the "GONE GOLD", as if OS4 has sold over 500,000 copies.
Maybe it just mean that they have now collected €500,000 EUR (from 200 customers paying €2500 each), meaning GOLD in their pockets? ;)
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"going gold"—is a term used when software is ready for or has been delivered or provided to the customer.
I think they're just stating it as it is ;)
Steve
Sounds like somebody is deliberately confusing it with the term "gone live" which actually is used in the world of professional software development. But if it makes somebody at Hyperion feel like OS4 is a lot bigger than it actually is, good for them.
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Sounds like somebody is deliberately confusing it with the term "gone live" which actually is used in the world of professional software development. But if it makes somebody at Hyperion feel like OS4 is a lot bigger than it actually is, good for them.
Well, we're not talking about music sales here ;)
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Normally you're on the ball #6, but in this case not so much. One of the reasons kas1e decided to stop OS4 development was because Hyperion doesn't post that kind of information, and ssolie even confirmed that they do not plan to. I expect what will be in the official support blog is a vague " bug fixes and/or improvements" with no specific or useful technical information.
Also, yes, it's A-eon on the hardware side, but it's up to Hyperion to make OS4 take full advantage of the hardware on the X1000, which it currently does not (to put it mildly). Thankfully Varisys ported Linux so the boards aren't completely useless.
Nevertheless, I see where ssolie could answer Piru's questions, which are questions a potential customer might ask. I also see those as quite different than what Roman's issues are, which would apply to specific changes that only a developer could relate to for his own benefit.
#6
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- Does this update enable the 2nd CPU core to be used?
- Does this update enable the use of more than 2GB of the system memory?
- Does this update enable built-in audio?
- Does this update enable built-in SATA?
- Does this update enable built-in USB?
- Is there 3D support for the graphics cards included?
- Does this update enable/utilize the much praised XMOS chip?
I for one would be quite interested to hear what exactly can be expected from the system while waiting for the mysterious 4.2 release.
We know answer is NO to all. All or most of these are for OS 4.2
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_master
I've seen once Silver Master because we knew the product was just good enough kinda broken in some way but marketing wanted us to release it.
I suppose that there's no change log made public because there's no new feature just bug fixes for the X1000. 4.2 will be another story but I guess we are far away from it.
Kamel
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In the past didn't it refer to a program being put on a "master" CD with gold colored substrate, ready for mass duplication?
Anyway it's a misuse of the term.
Not that this has ever stopped them.
Asked myself the same when Amiga Classic gone gold news appeared,
but yes, today "going gold" is actually being ready for end customers.
Don`t mix it with "Platinum editions" "Extended editions" etc. of games or music
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Thanks for the update from A-EON. I also received this message through email.
This should be good news for anyone who purchased the AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" system.
I do not understand the negativity regarding Trevor's comment.
Please take it in context, we all know that Trevor has been a user and supporter for many years.
"I have just received my own AmigaONE X1000 system and I hope "First Contact" owners will have as much fun as I'm having with my new "Amiga"..."
Everywhere that it counts, he has used the term AmigaONE X1000 system and it is only in his personal comment where he has used the term "Amiga" to describe his own personal system, which he just received. I do not think this is an infingement.
Many other people, including me, have said that they are having fun with their new "Amiga".
On the otherhand, perhaps he should be more careful because he is a representative of the company.
We don't want anyone to be enthusiastic. ;)
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redfox
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Well, I simply spotted that one of the stake-holders of th X1000 was marketing his product by calling it "Amiga", which they specifically don't have a license to do. And the thing is, there are other entities who paid good money *to have* that right, and who also have the right to *take legal actions* against such infringements. They can call it "AmigaOne" or "Amiga One" in their marketing, but they can't market it as "Amiga". Potentially, mistakes/violitions like that could jeopardize the whole Amiga Inc <-> Hyperion settlement, depending on the mood of the other relevant IP holders...
;)
Reality thing: THis is new Amiga (I can say AMIGA, yes?) and CUSA/iCoin just ain`t and will never be because of the software / hardware / development choices - those other "Amigas" (should be typed Amigas) are repacked rebadged not new products in any aspect.
Legal thing: Those fake things are to be called Amigas and real Amigas AmigaOnes (or PPC Macs)? :-) Who doesn`t get it, deserves to pay for false Amiga and thing he is getting the right one :hammer:
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Amiga just mean friend in Spanish nobody own that word.
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Reality thing: THis is new Amiga (I can say AMIGA, yes?)
Yes, *you* can call it "Amiga", and *I* can call it "Amiga" (I could even call my MacMini/MorphOS system an "Amiga", although I don't, since it was a long time the trade mark lost its meaning to me), because nobody would bother taking action against us, even if they could (which they can't), but nobody associated to Hyperion/A-eon can do this, especially not in a marketing context (which Press Releases definitely are) since they are corporate entities making commercial business based on a license agreement that carefully outlines what they can and can't do regarding the said trade mark. And like it or not, they can't call it "Amiga". Others could (having paid good money for that right), but *they* can't. Money is involved, and multiple parties that doesn't really like each other very much, and like it or not - *there are* legitimate reasons to cancel agreements such as the one between the Amiga IP owner and Hyperion Entertainment.
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Amiga just mean friend in Spanish nobody own that word.
Learn the basics of trademark laws, and then come back and try again, thanks for playing...
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What ever became of the title: Work Bench?
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Again with the "GONE GOLD", as if OS4 has sold over 500,000 copies.
Sorry, you are thinking of an unrelated definition. This isn't the music industry.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
Sounds like somebody is deliberately confusing it with the term "gone live" which actually is used in the world of professional software development
That somebody would be Apple:
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_master
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What ever became of the title: Work Bench?
As a Trade Mark in this context? I'm kind of certain that someone has it registered. Hmm, who was it? Was it Cloanto?
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I do not understand the negativity regarding Trevor's comment.
This is Amiga.org. It thrives on negativity towards anything at all to do with OS4, simple as that.
On the otherhand, perhaps he should be more careful because he is a representative of the company.
No doubt he should be more careful with things like this as has been pointed out, since it represents his business in a professional capacity. But in the grand scheme of things it's really only important to the people here who simply want to rip apart and ridicule everything they see regarding OS4 and AmigaOne for sport.
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OMG who cares about the term, we all know what they are talking about, please, I was under the impression, that, most, if not all, a.org users where adults.
This is great news, and seriously, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything.
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Ahh a blue butterfly means MorphOS right... last time I looked the domain name was Amiga.org... oh well guess grandma has nothing better to do than moan and bicker... must be jealousy creeping in...
AmigaOne = Amiga
Amiga = AmigaOne
The two are interchangeable... besides it was a personal quote so he can say whatever he wants.
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Additionally one would at least expect to learn what HW will be supported by this update.
- Does this update enable the 2nd CPU core to be used?
no
- Does this update enable the use of more than 2GB of the system memory?
no
- Does this update enable built-in audio?
no, working perfectly with the card supplied with M/B
- Does this update enable built-in SATA?
yes
- Does this update enable built-in USB?
yes
- Is there 3D support for the graphics cards included?
No,ish.
- Does this update enable/utilize the much praised XMOS chip?
Dunno
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This is Amiga.org. It thrives on negativity towards anything at all to do with OS4, simple as that.
That's entirely unfair. There are literally a handful of people that this statement could be used to describe.
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Yes, *you* can call it "Amiga", and *I* can call it "Amiga" (I could even call my MacMini/MorphOS system an "Amiga", although I don't, since it was a long time the trade mark lost its meaning to me)
still sour grape after morphos lost the amiga brand battle to hyperion... its time to get over it.
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@Daedalus
Most companies when they produce a Gold Master of a new piece of software they detail out what has been changed/updated. So far as I can tell from this announcement the only thing that has improved in 4.1.5 is the third number....
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Most of us have owned and used amigas since the 80's/90's I really was hoping that childish bickering was a thing of the past.
I really love the amiga, and for me its either classic 68k or ppc aso4.x Personally I don't check a.org to get the latest petty quarrels, but to read news about the amiga.
Personally I could really do with out some of you guys.. Shame!
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People can say whatever they like, but bottom line the machine depicted in the image below is the new Amiga, no "quotation" marks necessary:
(http://i.imgur.com/fvZHr.jpg)
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Amiga = AmigaOne
MorphOS = NOAmiga
its pretty simple....
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People can say whatever they like, but bottom line this is the new Amiga, no "quotation" marks necessary:
(http://www.commodore-amiga.org/images/rsgallery/display/Amiga%20Mini1.png)
I 100% agree with you, no need for quotation marks.
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@djrikki
I can call my AROS box an Amiga, you can call Natami Amiga, so long as we are not producing the machines and not using it in an official way, we can do as we like. When you use it in a press release about an Amiga one you are violating someone's trademark. But of course A-Eon has been violating Warner Brother's Trademark and images on 2001 a space odessey for quite a while, so they probably feel they are small enough no one would bother pressing trademark violations against them.
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(Edit: Hmm, "djrikki", aren't you the guy behind the http://amigaos.net/ site, that tried to deceive people about OS4's capabilities? http://i40.tinypic.com/2af9xi.jpg?)
Ahh a blue butterfly means MorphOS right... last time I looked the domain name was Amiga.org... oh well guess grandma has nothing better to do than moan and bicker... must be jealousy creeping in...
Please spare us with brains from your pointless venom.
AmigaOne = Amiga
Amiga = AmigaOne
No, no, no.
You are using the mathematical sign "equals to" above.
But in those legal conditions that builds *THE VERY GROUND FOR HYPERION'S OS4* there can't be no equal signs there! They aren't allowed!
besides it was a personal quote so he can say whatever he wants.
No, his words were part of an *Official Press Release*! He is speaking on behalf of one of the corporations enjoying the license agreement between the Amiga IP owner and Hyperion!
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The title of item is "AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 CD for the AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" system has gone GOLD"
The subject topic is the update 5 CD for X1000. Thus, one would at lest expect to hear what are the improvements in the update 5, if any.
Additionally one would at least expect to learn what HW will be supported by this update.
- Does this update enable the 2nd CPU core to be used?
- Does this update enable the use of more than 2GB of the system memory?
- Does this update enable built-in audio?
- Does this update enable built-in SATA?
- Does this update enable built-in USB?
- Is there 3D support for the graphics cards included?
- Does this update enable/utilize the much praised XMOS chip?
AFAIK the 2nd CPU core isn't used from 4.1. As for the rest, given that beta-testers are, and have been using, the system for a while, you're better off asking them. My guess is beta-testing would have been ever so slightly hampered if the SATA, USB, didn't work, I lean towards assuming that they do work.
I for one would be quite interested to hear what exactly can be expected from the system while waiting for the mysterious 4.2 release.
So I assume, given your intense interest, that you're looking to buy one? I'm fairly sure that the 4.2 release isn't "mysterious".
Piru, I appreciate your coding skills, but please consider how you come across with these type of posts. Trevor has poured thousands of ponds into getting the X-1000 into existence and deserves nothing but credit. Most people left in the Amiga scene will have spent a fair amount of cash on their systems over the years, but I doubt if any have spent as much as Trevor. He's bought systems for OS4, MorphOS, Aros, etc.
If you're not going to buy one of these, then please respect the intentions of people that will. You know we do have minds of our own and can make our own decisions without the benefit of your immense X1000 and OS 4 knowledge. I promise that you'll be the first person I'll ask if I get stuck :-)
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I could even call my MacMini/MorphOS system an "Amiga", although I don't, since it was a long time the trade mark lost its meaning to me
It seems that you forgot to tell it to your signature :quickdraw:
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Learn the basics of trademark laws, and then come back and try again, thanks for playing...
Child comment, very sad.
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That`s great, a new update in just few weeks, an upcomming totally new OS version, plus support for a brand new MoBo.
I`m looking forward to buy the new OS (4.2), and if MOS could run on my MoBo I would even buy it just to try it and support the community.
2012 will be a great AMiGA year.
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People can say whatever they like, but bottom line the machine depicted in the image below is the new Amiga, no "quotation" marks necessary:
404
Achievement unlocked: Irony bonus.
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Child comment, very sad.
No, not at all, very true. You don't know what you are talking about, so stop talking. Please!
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No, not at all, very true. You don't know what you are talking about, so stop talking. Please!
and that comes from someone that are claiming morphos is Amiga.
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and that comes from someone that are claiming morphos is Amiga.
I'm not! :)
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Achievement unlocked: Irony bonus.
Damnit... What I get for not using imgur...
People can say whatever they like, but bottom line the machine depicted in the image below is the new Amiga, no "quotation" marks necessary:
(http://i.imgur.com/fvZHr.jpg)
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Child comment start at "then comeback bla bla bla" any adult can figure this out. Your new comment just prove I'm right but you just can't get it...
Period.
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Whatever grandma.
The misleading image was removed, it wasn't meant to be deceptive. Personally I was expecting the HTML5 engine of Odyssey to have been released for OS4 by now, but it seems to have but on hold for some reason or another.
The images on the right were blurred out purely for copyright reasons. This also has the added benefit of not showing visitors conflicting information.
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and that comes from someone that are claiming morphos is Amiga.
MorphOS is not Amiga, never claimed that!
But here is another Amiga. All valid trademark!
http://www.amigaab.se/
Please let me know when you start understanding...
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it wasn't meant to be deceptive.
Yes it was.
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So koaftder.. do you plan on buying of these deceptively Apple-like products?
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1. Yes, I would get shot if I mentioned more.
I would never ever sign an nda which threatens with getting shot...
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Personally I was expecting the HTML5 engine of Odyssey to have been released for OS4 by now, but it seems to have but on hold for some reason or another.
Please, there are no *obligations* from the Odyssey developer towards OS4. All is fine on MorphOS, it beats IE9 anyday, both in HTML5 and CSS3, in an "Ibrowse Way"...! As far as I understand things, there are some major limitations in OS4 holding back some of the portings...
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MorphOS is not Amiga, never claimed that!
MorphOS is Amiga done right!
Close enough, but just with your own special way of putting it. ;)
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Meanwhile, on topic...
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I just wonder wonder why even mention MorphOS in this thread??
flamebait removed
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I just wonder wonder why even mention MorphOS in this thread??
It's all here: http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/180/1_trollmatrix_final.jpg
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MorphOS is Amiga done right!
Close enough, but just with your own special way of putting it. ;)
Regarding my signature:
It's obviously meaning (or at least it's meant to mean): "MorphOS is what Amiga was about and should have been in the next generation" (and *not* that MorphOS = "Amiga(TM)", rather the opposite; leaving the "Amiga(TM)" behind and moving forward...)
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Meanwhile, on topic...
Nice try, but as you can see...
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Nice try, but as you can see...
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Ok, tell you what. The next off-topic post earns the poster an immediate permanent ban. How's about that?
PS: Only kidding. Could you imagine if I was really like that?
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I just wonder wonder why even mention MorphOS in this thread??
flamebait removed
it's easy to answer that one, "they" still think that they will get paid to trash os4 in every thread possible.
@zyleasa
then i advice you to never read a NDA from either Microsoft nor Sony Computer Entertainment, and i am sure there are even harsher ones which will make them look like angels compared.
but then again, you where just trolling anyway right?
@all
finally its gone gold! , now get more of them machines out :-)
@karlos
i won't mind moderation but then make sure its against everyone and not just some people.
Banning works, but only if its done both ways, simple as that.
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There's nothing to comment in this news item. Well, other than it lacks all vital information, but one has grown to expect that from these PR stunt announcements.
Aww, come on - there's some great info in there...like, er, the disk is gold colored...and...um...it comes with a manual? Also a box, to put the manual in...
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Ok, tell you what. The next off-topic post earns the poster an immediate permanent ban. How's about that?
PS: Only kidding. Could you imagine if I was really like that?
This is what I get for replying to the front page before reading the entire thread...
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Great news!
I've ordered one, not got my final demand yet :lol:
It will be great using a modern Amiga again. No matter what you guys say I'm happy and that all that matters.
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@a1260
amiga= a500 a2000 a1200....
amigaone= some kind of illusion for squeeze some users more.
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@all
finally its gone gold! , now get more of them machines out :-)
At that price tag, I'm sure they will put out as many machines as there are buyers... ;)
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Ok, tell you what. The next off-topic post earns the poster an immediate permanent ban. How's about that?
PS: Only kidding. Could you imagine if I was really like that?
ME ME ME! :roflmao:
Morphos rules! *WHOOP!* *WHOOP!* *WHOOP!*
Btw this picture is clever and funny. How long did it take to find all these pictures and put the whole thing together?
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/180/1_trollmatrix_final.jpg
PS i think the whole red vs blue war is dumb.
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ME ME ME! :roflmao:
Morphos rules! *WHOOP!* *WHOOP!* *WHOOP!*
I know I wasn't entirely serious when I said the next off-topic post gets a ban, but don't push it, young man.
PS i think the whole red vs blue war is dumb.
Well, we certainly agree on that much. Sometimes it's like watching historical re-enactments of old battles, except that the participants don't seem to remember it's only a hobby.
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given that beta-testers are, and have been using, the system for a while, you're better off asking them.
They cannot answer. They're under NDA.
So I assume, given your intense interest, that you're looking to buy one?
Most certainly I am not. I have better uses for 2.5 k€.
I'm fairly sure that the 4.2 release isn't "mysterious".
The actual content of the 4.2 release remains a mystery, as well as the possible release schedule. It could be several years, and whether things like 2nd core or full 64-bit support will ever be achieved remain a mystery. All quite relevant questions considering the nature of the HW being sold. Running 32bit single core OS on such HW is much like (..reader beware: car analogy follows) buying a sportscar and disabling 3/4 of the engine.
Piru, I appreciate your coding skills, but please consider how you come across with these type of posts.
I guess I've never cared about appearances, and I'm not starting now.
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I guess I've never cared about appearances, and I'm not starting now.
If you really do have any aspirations on becoming a politician maybe you should start. Remember the nature of democracy requires that people vote for you which means people must like you.
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If you really do have any aspirations on becoming a politician
I do not.
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This is the most important news to me, because I am intending on buy AmigaOS 4.2 and I am intending on buying AmigaOne X1000 in the future. I want both classic Amiga and this Amiga system. This AmigaOne X1000 will by new PC upgrade instead of buying a new PC hardware. So yeah this update is very relevant to me.
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If you considering to buy X1000, I belive you need to do it NOW. There woun't be another batch of X1000 after that and when they are sold...
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They are not sold on amigakit to buy it. Where would I buy it?
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For ****'s sake, guys, this thread has gotten completely out of hand. Must we be pedantic about everything? This is the worst I've ever seen here.
The port of AmigaOS4.1.x to the X1000 is ready. End of discussion.
You'll hear no more from me on this topic.
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They cannot answer. They're under NDA.
Then we'll both have to wait
Most certainly I am not. I have better uses for 2.5 k€.
For something you have no interest in, it seems to be taking quite a lot of your attention.
The actual content of the 4.2 release remains a mystery, as well as the possible release schedule. It could be several years, and whether things like 2nd core or full 64-bit support will ever be achieved remain a mystery. All quite relevant questions considering the nature of the HW being sold. Running 32bit single core OS on such HW is much like (..reader beware: car analogy follows) buying a sportscar and disabling 3/4 of the engine.
Considering you have no idea of what 4.2 will contain or how far progressed the development of it is, your guesswork of how long it will take is basically as good as my guess i.e. worthless. I appreciate your analogy, however I don't see those restrictions being in place in the long term. My uneducated guess would be sandboxing of older apps and sacrificing backward compatibility for a new 64-bit API, multi-core, etc. Again this is just a guess. Having said that all the feedback that we have heard from people such as ClusterUK et al., as far as NDAs have allowed, is that even in your 1/4 engine state, it's still blazingly fast
I guess I've never cared about appearances, and I'm not starting now.
I'm sure your partner is delighted that you make such an effort! ;-)
Getting back on topic, I for one, will definitely try to get one in the next batch that they release. It's probably the first time since the mid 90s that I can see it being a machine I can use for my work and it's been a loooooong time since I could say that about my Amiga.
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If you considering to buy X1000, I belive you need to do it NOW. There woun't be another batch of X1000 after that and when they are sold...
Well that doesn't sound right, care to elaborate?
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They are not sold on amigakit to buy it. Where would I buy it?
you'll have to wait for the full production run. like me. :(
the 'first contact' systems sold out in less than thirty-six hours, price notwithstanding. there is quite a lot of demand for these machines, so keep your eyes peeled on amigakit's web site for announcements. i'm not planning on missing out the second time. ;)
-- eliyahu
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I think i read somewhere that the successor could be using a cheaper PPC such as the one used in the Sams? If this did happen hopefully it will have a sale price of less than US$3000 :)
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The port of AmigaOS4.1.x to the X1000 is ready.
/thread.
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There seems to be quite much interest to X1000 and Sam serie computers in Morph Zone.
X1000 thread has little less than 500 replies and Sam thread has almost 400 replies, when typical MorphOS themed thread has 0-30 replies.
I would be really interested what would OS4.2 include.
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I think paying all that money for a half working computer,which btw my phone browser works better than os4 browsers... Then having to sign an nda so you don't complain publicly that you have no 3d support, your network does not work, only one cpu works, the xmos chip dosn't work and so on is absolutely ridiculous.... As is the rush to sell something that is not finished.
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^^ "haters gonna hate"
The Network does work, OWB, both types are perfectly good webbrowsers.
The People who have bought the First Contact System have not signed anything, and say whatever they want. Also, only 1 CPU on my Powemac is used by MorphOS.
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I was on the pre-order list for my SAM 440ep. One of the first in the door on this new round of Amiga (SAM/X machines), got it late 2008, iirc.
I love my SAM. I am also well aware that the thing gimping these machines the most is a lack of modern software. That will be no different for the X1000 than it will my lowly SAM, and no fancy chips and 10 USB ports changes that at all.
Your statement that any web browser on OS4 these days is "perfectly good and capable" is nonsense, sorry.
I cannot even check my Gmail on my SAM with modern OS4 web browsers without them locking up entirely, leaving me grabbing for my bloody iPad. This is fact. Period. I cannot do what I can on my 3 year old iphone 3 on this "modern web browser" machine. The thing can't even do GMail/Google services reliably.
I'm a big fan of OS4, a real big fan - but let's not start spreading the horse****e so thin it's transparent. I've often advocated people looking into OS4 machines, but never under the guise it'll be a "daily driver" machine. It's nowhere near there.
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Had no problem using gmail and Facebook in OWB on MorphOS. Worked well enough that the old eMac was used pretty heavily as the "guest computer" at home for a good while. Some of my friends thought they were using Linux on there. :roflmao:
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People can say whatever they like, but bottom line the machine depicted in the image below is the new Amiga, no "quotation" marks necessary:
(http://i.imgur.com/fvZHr.jpg)
What a joke. It looks like CUSA cr*p to me.
Its like buying a McDonalds burger and calling it steak.
Whatever trademarks CUSA have, what they manufacture are NOT Amigas in the slightest.
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Had no problem using gmail and Facebook in OWB on MorphOS. Worked well enough that the old eMac was used pretty heavily as the "guest computer" at home for a good while. Some of my friends thought they were using Linux on there. :roflmao:
Either did I, on MorphOS. And you know how much it pains me to give takemehomegrandma a "gimme" like that, man.
:laughing:
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I would never ever sign an nda which threatens with getting shot...
Get a life. It was meant in jest.
Sheesh these anti-OS people pick up on any bit of triviality they can.
I am going back to civilised forums like AWN and Amigans. This one is really a waste of time, all the news is for machines 20 years out of date that should have been scrapped long ago like OS3.x and 68K software.
The only time there is any news of interest on this backward looking RETRO site, all the scum creep out of the woodwork.
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What a joke. It looks like CUSA cr*p to me.
Its like buying a McDonalds burger and calling it steak.
Whatever trademarks CUSA have, what they manufacture are NOT Amigas in the slightest.
Interesting they seem to change the "design" of their new Amiga range every week, I guess they are spoilt for choice, so many generic PC cases to choose from, and endless possibilities were to place the stickers!
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Wise men don't piss on the past while praising the future, Bill. There is room for everyone without wiggling a finger towards people "stuck in the past", but let's not blind people of shortcomings in each solution.
A.org is a ragtag crew of misfits, drunks, perverts and weirdos. I couldn't have picked a better place to call home. The one thing we can all agree on is we love the Amiga, regardless of what incarnation one chooses.
Some are strictly 68k folks. Some preach MOS like it is Jesus Risen. Some people are fawning all over themselves about OS4, AROS, FPGA, Natami, Emulation, the list goes on.
If you enjoy it, whatever you use - Godspeed. Room for everyone. I'll say the same to the guy that's monkeying around with an old C64, making it do Twitter, or the Atari dude still using a ST for MIDI in a world of ProTools.
It's easy to compute now. Computers are like using a toaster. The Amiga, she's got personality. You don't keep these bastards running unless you know what you are doing.
The 68K guys get giggles out of the fact us PPC miggy users have issues with old software. I get giggles out of the fact they are patching together old 1200's with accels that haven't been made for years and etc.
No animosity, we're on the same boat in the end.
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Wise men don't piss on the past while praising the future, Bill. There is room for everyone without wiggling a finger towards people "stuck in the past", but let's not blind people of shortcomings in each solution.
A.org is a ragtag crew of misfits, drunks, perverts and weirdos. I couldn't have picked a better place to call home. The one thing we can all agree on is we love the Amiga, regardless of what incarnation one chooses.
Some are strictly 68k folks. Some preach MOS like it is Jesus Risen. Some people are fawning all over themselves about OS4, AROS, FPGA, Natami, Emulation, the list goes on.
If you enjoy it, whatever you use - Godspeed. Room for everyone. I'll say the same to the guy that's monkeying around with an old C64, making it do Twitter, or the Atari dude still using a ST for MIDI in a world of ProTools.
It's easy to compute now. Computers are like using a toaster. The Amiga, she's got personality. You don't keep these bastards running unless you know what you are doing.
The 68K guys get giggles out of the fact us PPC miggy users have issues with old software. I get giggles out of the fact they are patching together old 1200's with accels that haven't been made for years and etc.
No animosity, we're on the same boat in the end.
hehehehhe, that sentence above is amazing :lol::lol::lol::lol:
I just get giggles, giddy all over and have my hair on the back of my head standing with a great smirk on my face watching my Amiga 1200 (classic) able to watch movies in high fps frame rate 25, with great quality sound and colors, and still be chatting on IRC and programming on it at the same time. This is the biggest dream I could ever achieve.
My ultimate golden goal is be able to do that, chat on IRC, program, play games on workbench (as she is playing movie in workbench screen again here) and browse in the internet and view 90% of the websites online...if my Amiga 1200 classic could DO all of that....then...I would say she is the main computer for all my daily work...as this is exactly what I use my PC for!! Games? Serious games? xBox 360. This is what I use my xBox 360 for!!!
This way i can finally do computing without the agony of having to deal with my PC viruses on viewing website, website flooding my PC with adware and spyware and worry someone out there is going to infect my Amiga with some horrible force or hack it.....the security measure would flood up the roof. NOW THAT IS MY GOLDEN GOAL OF ALL GOALS!!!
Am I dreaming only?
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Your statement that any web browser on OS4 these days is "perfectly good and capable" is nonsense, sorry.
I cannot even check my Gmail on my SAM with modern OS4 web browsers without them locking up entirely, leaving me grabbing for my bloody iPad. This is fact. Period. I cannot do what I can on my 3 year old iphone 3 on this "modern web browser" machine. The thing can't even do GMail/Google services reliably.
I'm a big fan of OS4, a real big fan - but let's not start spreading the horse****e so thin it's transparent. I've often advocated people looking into OS4 machines, but never under the guise it'll be a "daily driver" machine. It's nowhere near there.
Erm, something tells me that perhaps the problem isn't specifically down OS4 or it's port of OWB.
As you can see, it works just fine here. I'm posting the screenshot from it now. And that's from an A1XE, which everybody knows are far and away the flakiest machines...
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2002/11/07/Clarkson2.jpg)
"in the world"
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Erm, something tells me that perhaps the problem isn't specifically down OS4 or it's port of OWB.
As you can see, it works just fine here. I'm posting the screenshot from it now. And that's from an A1XE, which everybody knows are far and away the flakiest machines...
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2002/11/07/Clarkson2.jpg)
"in the world"
I want to buy AMIGA X1000 NOW!!! TO be ABLE to do my online banking and gmailing and other online stuff in Amiga OS....* whistles hard *
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Just relating my experience with OS4 browsers - YMMV.
While GMail itself occasionally works on the machine, most of the other google services (docs, etc. - which I rely on for business) rarely do with OWB. It's just terribly inconsistent, sometimes things work, sometimes the entire machine locks up.
I'm running a bone stock SAM 440ep with 4.1 with latest update, nothing installed except for said browsers.
That being said, I didn't buy the machine to use as a PC replacement daily driver, so I do enjoy it for what it is a great deal.
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Just relating my experience with OS4 browsers - YMMV
Perhaps, but you stated it in a manner when replying to the guy that made it seem as if it was a universal truth and not just your experience.
As you can see, no problems using google docs here. Whilst it's not the snappiest experience I've ever had (chrome's v8 javascript engine spoils you), it's still perfectly usable.
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Perhaps, but you stated it in a manner when replying to the guy that made it seem as if it was a universal truth and not just your experience.
As you can see, no problems using google docs here. Whilst it's not the snappiest experience I've ever had (chrome's v8 javascript engine spoils you), it's still perfectly usable.
in fairness to the poster who had difficulties with his SAM, i think i understand the issue. if you use MUIOWB -- the port from MorphOS -- loading Gmail on my SAM is perfectly fine. a little slow on the initial load (a good five seconds), but otherwise fine. if you use joerg's OWB -- the reaction-based one -- it is unbearably slow.
of course using the 'standard HTML' front-end in either browser is fine as well. :)
nonetheless he's certainly correct that, back in 2009 or so, using Gmail on a SAM would have been a brutal experience if you used the full 'sunday roast' version. of course on an X1000 i noticed zero performance issues at amiwest on steve solie's machine when logging on briefly to Gmail. in fact the performance of the google apps in general was astounding in comparison with my SAM.
-- eliyahu
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@eliyahu
Context is everything. The Sam440ep is a significant step down in performance from an 800MHz G4 based A1, which in turn is, in all likelihood an equally significant step down from one core of the PA6T.
To say that OS4 on the 440 is a bit too underpowered to run google docs is probably a fair comment. These applications are very Javascript heavy and modern browser implementations on other systems have much better JS runtimes than anything in Amigaland. To say that OS4 with "a modern browser" is incapable of running these services with any reliability at all, however, is not.
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All I stated is that the browsers for OS 4.1 have issues with modern web demands. I try and use such sites, the system locks up entirely 95% of the time. I could give you a list the length of your arm of sites that simply do not work with the browsers available for OS 4. Lovely systems to use for fun, but you simply are not going to use one for your daily driver system unless your internet/browsing demands are at the level of 3-4 years ago. Was merely trying to illustrate the fact the problem with OS4 is software availability, and whether the machine be a SAM 440ep base model or a tricked out X1000, you're still in the same position when the SW choices simply are not modern. I didn't buy the thing as a "main PC", so obviously I am not too jerked up that I can't use it for everything that I use my i7 Win 7 PC for, net wise.
X1000, SAM 460, or SAM 440, you're still running the same OS. It's not a matter of the programs running slow - it's a matter of them not working at all in some cases with the browsers, or otherwise not running well enough on some websites to even use. I'm well aware that I should not expect a 667 mhz machine to run as speedy as a X1000, but it's simply not a matter of clockspeed and HW resources. I don't expect my Pentium 200 that is currently functioning as a doorstop to browse as fast as my 4.1 ghz daily driver, but it'll get the job done in a pinch, albeit slow since both are Windows PC's.
If I have missed a step in how these browsers perform optimally (or work on a wider variety of sites), or if they require additional packages to work properly, I've missed mention of them in any docs, and I assure you I've looked 1000 times, lol. Fresh install of OS, fresh install of browser, same thing.
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@thread
AmigaOne X1000 First Contact support forum opens:
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=822
Pre-emptive strike: And no, it's not secretely closed to viewing and I apologize for even having to say this, but I do...
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All I stated is that the browsers for OS 4.1 have issues with modern web demands. I try and use such sites, the system locks up entirely 95% of the time. I could give you a list the length of your arm of sites that simply do not work with the browsers available for OS 4. Lovely systems to use for fun, but you simply are not going to use one for your daily driver system unless your internet/browsing demands are at the level of 3-4 years ago. Was merely trying to illustrate the fact the problem with OS4 is software availability, and whether the machine be a SAM 440ep base model or a tricked out X1000, you're still in the same position when the SW choices simply are not modern. I didn't buy the thing as a "main PC", so obviously I am not too jerked up that I can't use it for everything that I use my i7 Win 7 PC for, net wise.
X1000, SAM 460, or SAM 440, you're still running the same OS. It's not a matter of the programs running slow - it's a matter of them not working at all in some cases with the browsers, or otherwise not running well enough on some websites to even use. I'm well aware that I should not expect a 667 mhz machine to run as speedy as a X1000, but it's simply not a matter of clockspeed and HW resources. I don't expect my Pentium 200 that is currently functioning as a doorstop to browse as fast as my 4.1 ghz daily driver, but it'll get the job done in a pinch, albeit slow since both are Windows PC's.
If I have missed a step in how these browsers perform optimally (or work on a wider variety of sites), or if they require additional packages to work properly, I've missed mention of them in any docs, and I assure you I've looked 1000 times, lol. Fresh install of OS, fresh install of browser, same thing.
gotta disagree on the browser front, there. i use MUIOWB every day and i've yet to encounter a site it can't render correctly. it's no i7, but the SAM works just fine for me. where are you located physically? are there other amigans or a user group that can check things out for you? you shouldn't have this experience.
-- eliyahu
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All I stated is that the browsers for OS 4.1 have issues with modern web demands. I try and use such sites, the system locks up entirely 95% of the time. I could give you a list the length of your arm of sites that simply do not work with the browsers available for OS 4.
Well, anything using flash or HTML5 media is presently out of the question, sure. The former is probably going to stay that way, but with any luck, support for the latter will come. Fab's excellent OWB for MorphOS has supported it for some time already, one can hope that those features will find their way into the OS4 port eventually.
If I have missed a step in how these browsers perform optimally (or work on a wider variety of sites), or if they require additional packages to work properly, I've missed mention of them in any docs, and I assure you I've looked 1000 times, lol. Fresh install of OS, fresh install of browser, same thing.
I don't know. Which browser are you using, for starters?
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499,992 more sales and it goes Platinum, or are we grading on a curve?
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People can say whatever they like, but bottom line the machine depicted in the image below is the new Amiga, no "quotation" marks necessary:
(http://i.imgur.com/fvZHr.jpg)
As computer that run AmigaOS, that new Amiga is the one that should be called "Amiga". But as we all know, that is a sad result of long run of bad decisions and name selling that makes almost anything to bear Amiga name of consumer electronics
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Originally Posted by BillE
What a joke. It looks like CUSA cr*p to me.
Its like buying a McDonalds burger and calling it steak.
Whatever trademarks CUSA have, what they manufacture are NOT Amigas in the slightest.
Interesting they seem to change the "design" of their new Amiga range every week, I guess they are spoilt for choice, so many generic PC cases to choose from, and endless possibilities were to place the stickers!
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
We can laugh all we want about their crappy designs. At least I can watch youtube videos and use gmail and google docs with their "commodore os" even if it is just linux mint with a commodore theme, at least it works...
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You are such a bitter little man, aren't you? I can see you 30 years from here, so bitter, so angry... your last words will probably be "f*** you Ben Hermans, f*** you Hyperion, damn you all!!!" ... Kind of sad actually.
Also why do care so much for AOS that you have to comment on everything? Makes you look desperate. Not because of you making a comment but rather because of the bitterness.
Cheer up! You scare away potential customers. Nopes got nothing to do with which platform I prefer, I'm really worried about you... can't be healthy to carry around so much anger.
Can someone point me to a thread where Piru has made a positive comment that got nothing to do with AOS 4? I haven't seen one and would like to do so. Thanks!
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Another question this PR raises is:
? Will OS4.1.5 be released as a bugfix update for existing OS4.1.4 users as well, and will it finally be an ISO (or maybe they will get the CD as well)? Or if no bugfix release will follow OS4.1.4 for existing OS4 users, will OS4.2.0 be a free upgrade for them as well, or was 4.1.4 how far the existing users will come without having to buy the OS once again at the release of OS4.2.0?
seems from this announcement OS 4.1.5 will be free bugfix release for all that just starts the X1000 basic support (like 4.1 did with SAM440, 4.1.1/4.1.2 with SAM 460 and Peg2 etc.) and after that will be no more frequent updates (unless some nasty bugs discovered in 4.1.5)
4.2.0 will be a payable release, but again would span a new wave of updates.
Just as it was with 4.0 (several developer releases and updates), was with 4.1 (5 updates), and will continue with 4.2
Luckily, 4.1 expanded support for few new boards (SAM 440/460, Peg2, X1000, better support for Classics) and hope 4.2 will do similar (I would hope on PPC Macs even its less likely)
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but nobody associated to Hyperion/A-eon can do this, especially not in a marketing context (which Press Releases definitely are) since they are corporate entities making commercial business based on a license agreement that carefully outlines what they can and can't do regarding the said trade mark. And like it or not, they can't call it "Amiga". Others could (having paid good money for that right), but *they* can't. Money is involved, and multiple parties that doesn't really like each other very much, and like it or not - *there are* legitimate reasons to cancel agreements such as the one between the Amiga IP owner and Hyperion Entertainment.
Agreed, they should try addiing ONE after it and slaping themselves in face after it to learn it better (conditioning :-)
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MorphOS is not Amiga, never claimed that!
But here is another Amiga. All valid trademark!
http://www.amigaab.se/
Please let me know when you start understanding...
Oh there is one in Serbia too ...
http://www.amiga.rs/poseta_brush_en.htm
Maybe AmigaUSA-Serbia could overtake the CUSA 30 mill campaign :-)
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That`s great, a new update in just few weeks, an upcomming totally new OS version, plus support for a brand new MoBo.
I`m looking forward to buy the new OS (4.2), and if MOS could run on my MoBo I would even buy it just to try it and support the community.
2012 will be a great AMiGA year.
Finally, some positive thiking! Agreed! :afro:
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We can laugh all we want about their crappy designs. At least I can watch youtube videos and use gmail and google docs with their "commodore os" even if it is just linux mint with a commodore theme, at least it works...
True, but for the same money you could get better Linux driven desktop, laptop or nettop and do the same. And it works. Or with Windows and maybe even Office standard for same price.
Yes, AmigaOS needs to catch up, SAM 460 and X1000 offer more horsepower and OS 4.2 is nice start for OS to modernize. Some of the things like having Java and Flash closed source has nothing to do with AmigaOS. AmigaOS never had those. HTML5 browsers like OWB and Timberwolf are milestone in Amiga browsing.
So if you compare it to browser in Android or any phone where flash and java work it looks sad. But those phones progressed to cost couple hundred euros and have quite powerful hardware just to do it on small screen. Amiga is progressing, now faster then before after long long sleep.
4.0 was fight to have it PPC
4.1 to polish and bugfix
4.2 to have Timberwolf, RadeonHD support, X1000 and nettop ...
Similarly
MOS 1.x to have PPC OS on Blizzard cards
MOS 2.x to modernize PPC OS on G3/G4
MOS 3.x to go to laptops and grow and improve
Realy looking forward to these two!
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seems from this announcement OS 4.1.5 will be free bugfix release for all that just starts the X1000 basic support (like 4.1 did with SAM440, 4.1.1/4.1.2 with SAM 460 and Peg2 etc.) and after that will be no more frequent updates (unless some nasty bugs discovered in 4.1.5)
Well, in that case, let's hope that OS4.1.5 at least really is *BUG FREE* then, since this seems to be the last one before having to chip up the full fee all over again for the new kind of updates with different version numbers that presumably will follow...
4.2.0 will be a payable release, but again would span a new wave of updates.
Just as it was with 4.0 (several developer releases and updates), was with 4.1 (5 updates), and will continue with 4.2
Luckily, 4.1 expanded support for few new boards (SAM 440/460, Peg2, X1000, better support for Classics) and hope 4.2 will do similar (I would hope on PPC Macs even its less likely)
OS4.0.x did cost the full money
OS4.1.x did cost the full money
OS4.2.x will cost the full money
Is that right?
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OS4.0.x did cost the full money
OS4.1.x did cost the full money
OS4.2.x will cost the full money
Is that right?
Yes.
My MicroA1 came bundled with OS4.0.x (motherboard + OS4.0.x).
I purchased OS4.1.x separately, when it became available.
I expect to pay full price for OS4.2.x if it supports the MicroA1.
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OS4.0.x did cost the full money
OS4.1.x did cost the full money
OS4.2.x will cost the full money
Is that right?
Yes, and to my belief so did MOS 1.x and MOS 2.x
MOS 3.x is decided to be free giveaway to existing users, which is nice.
Maybe Hyperion shoud learn from that. New users would anyway get OS 4.2 / MOS 3
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Well, in that case, let's hope that OS4.1.5 at least really is *BUG FREE* then, since this seems to be the last one before having to chip up the full fee all over again for the new kind of updates with different version numbers that presumably will follow...
OS4.0.x did cost the full money
OS4.1.x did cost the full money
OS4.2.x will cost the full money
Is that right?
Yes, every bigger update costs money, lasts for several years and you get free update to that on the way. The difference between 4.1.0 to 4.1.4 is pretty big. There are some bigger changes when it goes from 4.0 to 4.1 to 4.2 etc and the smaller updates includes mostly bugfixes and improvements but also some smaller features.
A big feature would be multicore support, new printer system, the new shell etc.
Some of the updates during the 4.1 lifespan has been change of the theme, new icons, USB 2.0 driver, bugfixes and speedups. Lots of other things has been updated that I can't recall... the notification system, WBStartup program that replaced the drawer, RunInUAE included offcourse and what not... Don't remember it all.
This works very well for me when updates are released regularly. The wait for update #3 took forever and I wasn't pleased with how update #2 worked. In the end I'm happy though and updates are said to be released more often again so that is all good. I like the way they are handling it, you pay for something and get to enjoy what's there for several years with each update being an improvement. In the meanwhile there are information about what bigger updates are planed and you got something to look forward too.
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gotta disagree on the browser front, there. i use MUIOWB every day and i've yet to encounter a site it can't render correctly. it's no i7, but the SAM works just fine for me. where are you located physically? are there other amigans or a user group that can check things out for you? you shouldn't have this experience.
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Yes, and to my belief so did MOS 1.x and MOS 2.x
MOS 3.x is decided to be free giveaway to existing users, which is nice.
Maybe Hyperion shoud learn from that. New users would anyway get OS 4.2 / MOS 3
Morphos 1.x was free, so for 3 versions (including the upcoming 3.x) you only have to pay once, not three times.