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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: dougal on January 22, 2012, 05:03:00 PM
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I would love to have a nice flickerless high resolution high color display.
Is this possible on my A1200 (060/64mb fast) with NO flickerfixer and No GFX card ?
I am currently using 640x256 PAL Hi-res as its the only one without flicker that does not look like decomposed dog s!#t.
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I would love to have a nice flickerless high resolution high color display.
Is this possible on my A1200 (060/64mb fast) with NO flickerfixer and No GFX card ?
I am currently using 640x256 PAL Hi-res as its the only one without flicker that does not look like decomposed dog s!#t.
http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/magictv2
I used to use the above tool for a 16-colour PAL Hi-res interlaced display on a 1084 monitor for some time. It's better than you might expect.
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http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/magictv2
I used to use the above tool for a 16-colour PAL Hi-res interlaced display on a 1084 monitor for some time. It's better than you might expect.
Yep i used to use that. Its not bad i guess but the black mouse pointer and 16 colors is a let down.
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If you could use a VGA monitor (with the appropriate adaptor) you could use the DblPal/NTSC or Productivity modes to get high resolution (640x480) without the flicker. Bumping up the colours though is gonna slow things down dramatically, as well as eating up your chip RAM, regardless of your screenmode...
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@dougal
use fblit (and ftext) and a 640x512@32colors mode with max overscan (724x566 iirc). If you edit your palette carefully you'll have a nice result. You'd like to use dark colored background for reduced flickering effect and whatever backdrop you use, make sure u reduce its colors using the palette u created for wb and floyd-steinberg dithering. You'll also want to lock the colour palette once you finalize it with a proper tool from aminet. I'd also advice to hand-pick your icons if you have the time and will instead of using all-in-one icon packs as they never seem to really be all-in-one and leave many programs with their old icons looking ugly. VisualPrefs and Birdie will help you get a more polished look too. Good luck!
Edit:
copymem, blazewcp and winspeed patches from aminet will help you keep your wb speed at good levels, while powerwindows, powerwb and mcp will give you loads of extra nice everyday usability.
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If you have an Indivision or a capable MultiSync monitor, HighGFX (http://aminet.net/package/driver/moni/HighGFX40_6) should give good results.
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Just buy any LCD-tv, you will get flicker free picture at least 640x512.
I you use overscan settings, you will get almost 800x600 screen, but it would make troubles with games IF you need to use manual screen size/position settings on your TV
FBlit and FText are must
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I would love to have a nice flickerless high resolution high color display.
Is this possible on my A1200 (060/64mb fast) with NO flickerfixer and No GFX card ?
High-color can be done at 12-bits per pixel but the resolution suffers because the only way to get that color depth without using HAM8 is with Copper Chunky. This limits you to about 180x256 resolution at high-color. Otherwise, there is a chunky-to-HAM8 converter that yields about 18 BPP in high-resolution. It works but is quite slow.
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I am using an LCD TV connected with the RGB to Scart cable but in interlaced modes it still flickers though not as bad as CRT does.
I have also a scan doubler but without flicker fixer. Its not being used right now.
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It's not possible to have a decent looking Workbench screen even using a flicker fixer - scan doubler.
You need a very expensive tower case (can't find a new one), a very expensive PCI busboard (I think Elbox still makes them), a hard to find old PCI graphics card and a fast processor (can be found only second hand for lots of money) for this.
Or you need a BlizzardPPC (very very expensive. You can even buy a car instead of this card! :) ) and a BVisionPPC (very expensive and rare) preferably with a tower for the heat they generate.
Unfortunately the only native graphics card produced for the A1200 is the BVision and they are very hard to find. For example I have a partially working BlizzardPPC (well. Actually it doesn't work at the moment :) ) but can not find a BVision since they seem to be selling immediately once one become available for buying.
I wish there was some kind of cheap and old graphics chip we could plug on the A1200 mainboard like Indivision and it gave us high color RTG screens.
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I wish there was some kind of cheap and old graphics chip we could plug on the A1200 mainboard like Indivision and it gave us high color RTG screens.
And I wish there was proper HAM8 gui software. Possible? Easy! Available? No :(
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I wish there was some kind of cheap and old graphics chip we could plug on the A1200 mainboard like Indivision and it gave us high color RTG screens.
And I wish there was proper HAM8 gui software. Possible? Easy! Available? No :(
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FPGA is the ****.. ;)
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What about HighGFX? http://aminet.net/package/driver/moni/HighGFX40_6
Used it on my A1200 (BPPC) and it ain't bad for 1024x768. Not the fastest but limit the number of colours used and, all things considered, it is very respectable.
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What about HighGFX? http://aminet.net/package/driver/moni/HighGFX40_6
Used it on my A1200 (BPPC) and it ain't bad for 1024x768
Yes I can use it with my "rare" Microvitec M1438S monitor but just like other AGA modes, the maximum you can get on your WB using that mode is only 256 colors and that's slow as hell. 32 or 64 colors is usable but still slow (For example you can not solid move your windows properly unless you set your wb to 4 colors or less)
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Yes I can use it with my "rare" Microvitec M1438S monitor but just like other AGA modes, the maximum you can get on your WB using that mode is only 256 colors and that's slow as hell. 32 or 64 colors is usable but still slow (For example you can not solid move your windows properly unless you set your wb to 4 colors or less)
Hmmm, I've used HighGFX in 256 colour mode and I don't think it's slow at all. I find it to be perfectly usable for me. It's slower than PAL 256, but PAL 256 for me runs really quickly.
Suppose it comes down to patches installed and also what's under the bonnet as to the overall apparent speed of AGA.
I have the same monitor as you (minus the speakers) and I find that on my monitor HighGFX doesn't quite fit onto the screen as there is insufficient adjustment control on the monitor, and that's the only reason I don't use it, otherwise I would do.
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I would love to have a nice flickerless high resolution high color display.
Is this possible on my A1200 (060/64mb fast) with NO flickerfixer and No GFX card ?
I am currently using 640x256 PAL Hi-res as its the only one without flicker that does not look like decomposed dog s!#t.
Perhaps you can kick up the overscan.
I'm using 724x283 on my Minimig which looks pretty nice on a widescreen monitor.
On the 1200 I'm using Multiscan, 640x480 which does not allow much overscan.
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I have the same monitor as you (minus the speakers) and I find that on my monitor HighGFX doesn't quite fit onto the screen as there is insufficient adjustment control on the monitor, and that's the only reason I don't use it, otherwise I would do.
Try the "TOTCLKS" Tooltype !!!
You can shrink the size of hgfx to fit into your display.
Read the hgfx-guide for more / how-to.
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I am using an LCD TV connected with the RGB to Scart cable but in interlaced modes it still flickers though not as bad as CRT does.
I have also a scan doubler but without flicker fixer. Its not being used right now.
Put the VGAonly monitor driver in devs/monitors, along with dblpal, dblntsc and multiscan, plus the fblit, ftext patches. 32 colors can be dithered to look nice enough, without everything crawling.
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A nice looking desktop isnt really so much about color resolution. Granted they help for people who are artistically incompetant, but its not essential. There's just as many horrible looking desktops that are high res/high color as there are nice ones using lower resolutions and lower color depths.
Another thing to consider is that the Workbench screen isnt all a person will use when using an amiga, so if you use too high a resolution and color depth you'll quickly run out of chipram when you try to use other software. And this is even when using FBlit/Ftext/etc.