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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: orb85750 on January 05, 2012, 04:13:53 PM
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Given a very limited amount of capital, say $100-200K, and ownership of the Amiga trademark, what would you do with it? (Please, no jokes, as tempting as they may be here.)
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Hit the market with cheap FPGA "Minimigs" and have an online shop selling additional cores, ADFs, HDFs and expansion boards.
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Hit the market with cheap FPGA "Minimigs" and have an online shop selling additional cores, ADFs, HDFs and expansion boards.
That, but offer a model with 2-3 PCI slots too as a "power user's" board.
(This assumes a PCI controller could be bodged onto the minimig board to make the slots active without too much trouble, otherwise, exactly that)
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Just the name and nothing else?
Give the name, and any icons (boing ball, checkmark) to the AROS guys.
If I had whatever patents for hardware and software that still exists, I'd open source them in as little time as it'd take me to do so.
Set the amiga free.
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That, but offer a model with 2-3 PCI slots too as a "power user's" board.
(This assumes a PCI controller could be bodged onto the minimig board to make the slots active without too much trouble, otherwise, exactly that)
Yep, a PCI expansion board would be nice for those wanting to expand with board to the maximum. As the FPGA Arcade slot allows a CPU, SD card, RAM, Ethernet and USB to be added to the system then I'd think that some sort of Zorro/PCI expansion could (in theory) also be cobbled onto a board and the core re-writen to access it.
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I would set up a fund to keep it registered and defended in perpetuity, and prevent anybody else from using it ever again, to end the whole stupid issue once and for all, and let would-be successors fend for themselves off their merits rather than their ability to fork out cash to Bill McEwen.
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I'd license it to the folks making minimigs and PPC Amigas for a reasonable amount. I'd also look into porting it to X86 or making AROS that port.
I'm not a big fan of the PCI expansion on classic Amigas. Outside of the fact that PCI is largely obsolete by today's standard, I can't think of anything I'd want to add that couldn't be better done by custom hardware. A TV card might be an exception to that, but I think classic Amigas are going to be fast enough for that.
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I dont know what i would do personally but i'd love to see a nice classic Amiga based motherboard that can be put in a standard ATX case.
The specs i'd like to see would be:
Basic 68030 CPU + AGA Chipset with:
Optional or standard G4 CPU (obviously compliant with OS4)
A socket for a 68040 or 68060 CPU
Can address DDR2/3 Ram as fast ram with sockets
Has built in a Picasso96 compliant graphics card which shares memory
Built in USB and Ethernet ports
Built in Sata
PCI Slots
Maybe a floppy drive port which can use normal 1.44MB PC drives as 1.76mb Amiga
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In an idealist situation I would try to get hardware such as the Minimigs and PPC cheaper and more widely available. I would also look for a way to help any of the other projects such as AROS with bounties.
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Can address DDR2/3 Ram as fast ram with sockets
Really? Even DDR1 would be a massive waste of bandwidth on an 040/060 system, and none of them would be much cheaper for practical Amiga capacities than used PCxxx SDRAM.
(Though DDR1 would at least be useful for a G4 upgrade.)
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Well, with just $200,000, I would probably give 1/2 that money to the Natami folks, and wish them well, and 1/2 on a bounty to port AROS to it (including the new SAGA features).
If you up it to $500,000, I'd try to get my hands on one of the Walker prototypes and hook it up to as many data analyzers as I could find, and then send all the data to the Natami folks.
Frankly, this exercise needs at least $10,000,000 for anyone to start doing some serious dreaming, or better yet $50,000,000+.
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I dont know what i would do personally but i'd love to see a nice classic Amiga based motherboard that can be put in a standard ATX case.
The specs i'd like to see would be:
Basic 68030 CPU + AGA Chipset with:
Optional or standard G4 CPU (obviously compliant with OS4)
A socket for a 68040 or 68060 CPU
Can address DDR2/3 Ram as fast ram with sockets
Has built in a Picasso96 compliant graphics card which shares memory
Built in USB and Ethernet ports
Built in Sata
PCI Slots
Maybe a floppy drive port which can use normal 1.44MB PC drives as 1.76mb Amiga
That is pretty much Arcade FPGA =)
68030 + AGA = Pretty much there (actually it is faster than a real one)
DDR2/3 RAM = Not really needed
Picasso96 = I read somewhere that it will eventually be included in FPGA (correct me if wrong)
USB + Network = Yes, on the addon expansion
Sata = Not needed (but if you really must, you can use a SATA HDD connected to the USB
PCI Slots = not so far
Floppy drive = no, but you can use .adf files
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That is pretty much Arcade FPGA =)
I looked up their website and cant find much about the Amiga, just stupid rubbish like the crappy Vic20, Philips Videopac etc...
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I looked up their website and cant find much about the Amiga, just stupid rubbish like the crappy Vic20, Philips Videopac etc...
Heh you are looking at the wrong place. The site is very old.
If you want to know about Arcade FPGA, check out its thread. You remember when you saw Minimig running at my place? That was the equivalent of an A500. A.FPGA is the equivalent of an A1200 with a decent CPU + Indivision (DVI). And you get much more than that with the expansion board.... for 200 euro.
Dougal, the problem is that there is no way reruns of old Amigas exactly like they were (or improved upon) using the same type of custom chips and technology can be done for a variety of reasons. The main one is that the blueprints have been lost for ever. The next best thing is through FPGA. THis is happening right now, and costs much less than the real thing.
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Sponsor the Natami guys, and release it as an official 'Amiga classic' in a wedge and desktop config.
Create an Amiga joystick type deal (although more like the megadrive one, which had two pads and a tiny replica megadrive brick).
Pay to get a decent games creation kit made, and a web browser.
Get some CD32 compatible pads made in china.
Port AmigaOS to ARM.
....perhaps over 200k, but maybe the Amiga in a joystick would bring some funds in.
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I looked up their website and cant find much about the Amiga, just stupid rubbish like the crappy Vic20, Philips Videopac etc...
You have to remember that the FPGA Arcade is not just for Amiga use, but alos for "rubbishy crap" like the VIC-20, Atari ST, orginal game consoles, etc.
Here's the main board:
http://www.fpgaarcade.com/common/replay_overview.jpg
From the Amiga side you have:
2 x Joystick ports
2 x PS/2 connectors (mouse & keyboard)
SVHS Out
Composite Out
DVI Out (DVI to VGA via cable)
Sereo audio out (3.5mm jack)
SD Card (store FPGA updates, cores, ADF and HDF files)
Reset button
Daughterboard expansion (like the slot on an A500/A600/A1200)
DDR2 RAM (fancy 48MB of Chip RAM to go with your FAST RAM?)
Serial port
5 Power inputs (take your choice of which one you want to use)
On/Off switch
Spare I/O connectors
Current core:
Switch between 68000 and 68020 CPUs
Up to 4x Floppy drives (normal and fast modes available)
Up to 2x Hard Drives (HDF files)
Kickstart selection via menu (1.3, 3.0, 3.1, etc)
OCS, ECS or AGA chipsets
RAM user configurable (set how much Chip, Slow, Fast, etc you want)
P96 RTG to be included in update.
I'm sure I've missed something, and I haven't even mentioned the daughterboard yet. ;-)
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Given a very limited amount of capital, say $100-200K, and ownership of the Amiga trademark, what would you do with it? (Please, no jokes, as tempting as they may be here.)
Fund an asic minimig and do a deal with QVC etc like the C64 DTV.
Then use the money and experience to produce something expandable using usb & sata & clocked faster with some modern ram (whether that is a netbook/tablet/nettop). If it's possible to build these in as a hidden bonus on the joystick models then all the better.
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While I have nothing against Amiga OS 4, I don't see the point of using an OS if there isn't software for it. If I had incredible amount of money to blow, instead of spending it to create a machine no one can afford (ahem) I would port OS4 to arm and make sure that the OS is supported by software people can actually use.
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While I have nothing against Amiga OS 4, I don't see the point of using an OS if there isn't software for it. If I had incredible amount of money to blow, instead of spending it to create a machine no one can afford (ahem) I would port OS4 to arm and make sure that the OS is supported by software people can actually use.
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True. The Sam44whatever is a total rip off. In the end of the day its paying over 600 euros for nothing more then a low end G4 Mac with less features and no case.
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Oooh I like.. Just wish it could do better than a 68020 like maybe at the very least an 030 @ 50+ Mhz.
You have to remember that the FPGA Arcade is not just for Amiga use, but alos for "rubbishy crap" like the VIC-20, Atari ST, orginal game consoles, etc.
Here's the main board:
http://www.fpgaarcade.com/common/replay_overview.jpg
From the Amiga side you have:
2 x Joystick ports
2 x PS/2 connectors (mouse & keyboard)
SVHS Out
Composite Out
DVI Out (DVI to VGA via cable)
Sereo audio out (3.5mm jack)
SD Card (store FPGA updates, cores, ADF and HDF files)
Reset button
Daughterboard expansion (like the slot on an A500/A600/A1200)
DDR2 RAM (fancy 48MB of Chip RAM to go with your FAST RAM?)
Serial port
5 Power inputs (take your choice of which one you want to use)
On/Off switch
Spare I/O connectors
Current core:
Switch between 68000 and 68020 CPUs
Up to 4x Floppy drives (normal and fast modes available)
Up to 2x Hard Drives (HDF files)
Kickstart selection via menu (1.3, 3.0, 3.1, etc)
OCS, ECS or AGA chipsets
RAM user configurable (set how much Chip, Slow, Fast, etc you want)
P96 RTG to be included in update.
I'm sure I've missed something, and I haven't even mentioned the daughterboard yet. ;-)
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ooh what I'd do...
I'd get someone to design an ARM-based motherboard, flex-ATX compatible, and a stylish Amiga HTPC case. The motherboard would have Amiga AGA graphics instead of VGA textmode, so it can be used by the BIOS. It would also have a Nvidia GPU as well. I'd tailor a version of AROS that can run Linux software too (there was another thread about that somewhere I remember). I'd put a mini Kickstart OS in Flash ROM that can play DVDs and audio CDs etc.. and you'd be able to boot games straight from disk without having to install them.
It would essentially be a moderately upgradeable console/HTPC with an OS so you can also do office things and browse the internet. Legacy software would have to be run through an emulator, however, but modern software doesn't tend to be written in ASM anymore except in special applications so I don't think 680x0 is such the defining feature that it once was. The emulator would be in the Kickstart ROM so you could run old Amiga games without worrying. ARM is up and coming, however, and is set to take over the laptop, desktop and server markets sometime soon.
Actually one thing I was thinking about lately, we're thinking about getting an Xbox developer kit, it set me wondering if you could port AROS to run on Xbox 360 as a user-mode application.
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@Dougal
If I remember well, Darrin said (he has an arcade FPGA) that currently SysInfo says that he has a 68020 @ 100mhz speed. This will increase significantly wiht the next build of the core (the software that is).
I am on the list to get an Arcade FPGA, and hopefully I will get it soon. If you want we can meet up and compare games running on an Amiga and FPGA side by side... thats the ultimate test =)
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Oooh I like.. Just wish it could do better than a 68020 like maybe at the very least an 030 @ 50+ Mhz.
I'll let you know what the next core update manages. Currently it is a 60MHz 68020, but it should do much better than that shortly.
The daughterboard has the option for a real 68060 on it which has already reached 100MHz.
:)
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That may be so but with no other systems using DDR1 these days the availability of the RAM is getting more and more scarce which is of course driving prices up.
I hate new systems that upgrade to hardware that is becoming more and more unavailable.
Really? Even DDR1 would be a massive waste of bandwidth on an 040/060 system, and none of them would be much cheaper for practical Amiga capacities than used PCxxx SDRAM.
(Though DDR1 would at least be useful for a G4 upgrade.)
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Sponsor the Natami guys, and release it as an official 'Amiga classic' in a wedge and desktop config.
Create an Amiga joystick type deal (although more like the megadrive one, which had two pads and a tiny replica megadrive brick).
Pay to get a decent games creation kit made, and a web browser.
Get some CD32 compatible pads made in china.
Port AmigaOS to ARM.
....perhaps over 200k, but maybe the Amiga in a joystick would bring some funds in.
+1, I like the way your thinking but the "Port AmigaOS to ARM" bit should read "Port AmigaOS 4 to ARM and bribe Hyperion with license so they say yes".
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I just tried AmiKit with OS3.9 + Magellan on WinUAE. It is REALLY REALLY fast, probably runs round in circles any currently available OS4 machine. While I wouldn't use it in real life, it is very good in giving you an idea how an Amiga could look and feel like today.
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Realistically I agree with the previous poster, give it to the AROS folks.
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Only the trademark? Not the chipset rights? Then it's simple: I'd stick the 100K-200K in my pocket, and take a nice, long vacation. This kind of money is chicken feed, and the trademark isn't Amiga, the classic hardware is, and that's not coming back for this kind of spare change. Anything else isn't Amiga, and is not worth my time.
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Only the trademark? Not the chipset rights? Then it's simple: I'd stick the 100K-200K in my pocket, and take a nice, long vacation. This kind of money is chicken feed, and the trademark isn't Amiga, the classic hardware is, and that's not coming back for this kind of spare change. Anything else isn't Amiga, and is not worth my time.
Even Natami is not worthy of the Amiga name in your view??
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Personally, I think worrying about the chipset rights is a bit silly as the all the patents have lapsed.
Also, the Amiga name has been polluted and the reputation dragged through the mud.
I'd take the money and talk to Treavor about a new MorphOS machine with JIT support for UAE.
PPC or ARM? I'm not sure. 68K? Why? At 100MHz that is still DAMNED slow.
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Better to simply start over with the name and trademark thing. Call it 'Friend', get a marketing firm to dream up logos and all of the trademarkable crap, legally start a company that includes all of this newly dreamed up stuff, and then do whatever you want... Aros is probably a more sensible direction being that it is open sourced so put it on whatever hardware platform it supports and one you fancy the most. And there it is, a non-poisoned computer entity off to a fresh start. And not in any way tied to filthy garbage. There would be plenty of money left over to heavily fund some Aros bounties too. My suggestion...even though I tend to drift in the 68K and MorphOS worlds.
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Revive Amithlon.
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Even Natami is not worthy of the Amiga name in your view??
Worthiness isn't the problem. The problem, in my opinion, is that you're naming something Amiga that isn't. The Natami is certainly a very cool machine (yes, I find FPGA computers quite interesting), but it's a Natami, not an Amiga.
Perhaps I should have said: Forget about the Amiga name, and invest in something new. Or perhaps call the machines you release Amiga compatibles (which they are).
Personally, I think worrying about the chipset rights is a bit silly as the all the patents have lapsed.
Hmm, I didn't realize that at all. That should open some doors.
Also, the Amiga name has been polluted and the reputation dragged through the mud.
But not the reputation of the original Amiga computer line, and with those patents out of the way, who knows...
PPC or ARM? I'm not sure. 68K? Why? At 100MHz that is still DAMNED slow.
Anything Amiga has to be a copy of the originals. If you want something new of a later generation, then it's time to drop the Amiga and move on.
Also, you're talking about hardware performance, but what about software performance? AOS is far behind the times, but you never hear anyone say anything about that, and I really wonder why...
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"Friend" - that is a brilliant idea :-)
Tied to AROS, that's probably the most sensible and interesting suggestion so far...
As for the "Amiga" trademark, I'd buy it and give it a decent burial... It's beginning to stink...
Better to simply start over with the name and trademark thing. Call it 'Friend', get a marketing firm to dream up logos and all of the trademarkable crap, legally start a company that includes all of this newly dreamed up stuff, and then do whatever you want... Aros is probably a more sensible direction being that it is open sourced so put it on whatever hardware platform it supports and one you fancy the most. And there it is, a non-poisoned computer entity off to a fresh start. And not in any way tied to filthy garbage. There would be plenty of money left over to heavily fund some Aros bounties too. My suggestion...even though I tend to drift in the 68K and MorphOS worlds.
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Dole out enough to programmers like Kermit Woodall so that serious programs like ImageFX can be updated.
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Exactly. Software availability is what breaks or makes a system. Look at Linux, many people won't touch it because there isn't Photoshop on it. Now I am not saying that someone should port Photoshop over to Amiga OS, but with the complete lack of decent productivity software for it, it will remain forever a hobbyist OS (not that there is anything wrong with that).
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..and the above post is exactly why worrying over super fast hardware is irrelevant. It's the same ol' circle, software drives hardware drives software etc...
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Given a very limited amount of capital, say $100-200K, and ownership of the Amiga trademark, what would you do with it? (Please, no jokes, as tempting as they may be here.)
I would make the os open source with the intention of having it ported to Intel processors. I personally believe restricting it to PPC is a bad idea. I have a 900mhz netbook crying out for a decent os and I believe AmigaOS would be that os.
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I would buy out Cloanto and make a Retro Player, kind of like amiga forever setup but have a store section like apple and have maybe the A500 setup with ks 1.3 rom free and then charge like £1.99 for each extra system you wanted as well as have games available to purchase, then try and expand the service to offer legitimate ways of obtaining say sega system or Nintendo systems, and have all the games in the retro playing format, make it as easy as possible for the end user to play these games, maybe make a very small console like system that would just boot up into the retro player.
I know it pretty easy to get you hands on emulators and systems roms, but the average jo believe me doesn't know how to set up most emulators and the whole scene is just a bit of a legal mess, it would be nice for someone to build a front end easy simple all in one solution to run any old game no matter what the console or format.
I would also support all community efforts where possible, maybe back port the retro player to Os4, aros, morphos etc. and still push Os4 and aros developments where possible.
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Revive Amithlon.
I like it. Use a modern 2.6.whatever Linux kernel (some kind of mainstream kernel with zillions of drivers so it runs on most anything) and build the Amiga end of it using 3.1 instead of 3.9. Plus throw in that 64bit 68K JIT compiler we need, and whatever other cool Umilator features that may exist. If the rats cry about use of 3.1, then use some of the cash to acquire resources needed to get Aros68K 100% compatible with 3.1.
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Additionally, after starting the 'friend' computer company blah, blah...and reviving Amithlon, funding some Aros bouties...Cash needs to also fund some MorphOS work.
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I would port it to DEC Alpha and focus on that, to spite all parties in the CPU debate.
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I would port it to DEC Alpha and focus on that, to spite all parties in the CPU debate.
Three problems with that:
1. Amiga OS 3.x is written primarily in 68k assembler, and needs the custom chips. Plus, the FORBID call rearing its ugly head.
2. Amiga OS 4.x and on will be controlled by Hyperion, who will never let anyone port it to anything else.
3. The only people using using Alpha nowadays are the Chinese (http://vr-zone.com/articles/chinese-high-end-cpus-are-now-in-the-game--details--part-2-alpha/14347.html), and if they won't license the Loongson 3 series (Which was designed as a desktop chip to begin with) to outsiders on smaller nodes on fabs outside of China, what makes you think they will license their HPC pride and joy?
And that's only the technical problems. There's still all the expense of actually designing the motherboard and tooling up.
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I like it. Use a modern 2.6.whatever Linux kernel (some kind of mainstream kernel with zillions of drivers so it runs on most anything) and build the Amiga end of it using 3.1 instead of 3.9. Plus throw in that 64bit 68K JIT compiler we need, and whatever other cool Umilator features that may exist. If the rats cry about use of 3.1, then use some of the cash to acquire resources needed to get Aros68K 100% compatible with 3.1.
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Additionally, after starting the 'friend' computer company blah, blah...and reviving Amithlon, funding some Aros bouties...Cash needs to also fund some MorphOS work.
This plus the ability to compile and natively run x86/Linux apps would be nice - Firefox on 3.1, anyone :)
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Three problems with that:
1. Amiga OS 3.x is written primarily in 68k assembler, and needs the custom chips. Plus, the FORBID call rearing its ugly head.
2. Amiga OS 4.x and on will be controlled by Hyperion, who will never let anyone port it to anything else.
3. The only people using using Alpha nowadays are the Chinese (http://vr-zone.com/articles/chinese-high-end-cpus-are-now-in-the-game--details--part-2-alpha/14347.html), and if they won't license the Loongson 3 series (Which was designed as a desktop chip to begin with) to outsiders on smaller nodes on fabs outside of China, what makes you think they will license their HPC pride and joy?
And that's only the technical problems. There's still all the expense of actually designing the motherboard and tooling up.
(That was sarcasm.)
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Hmmm what would I do if I owned the Amiga trademark... and some capital...
For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG. There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team. Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place I'd then meet Ben Hermans and discuss how the remaining capital could be best invested to not only sustain, but improve OS development.
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100-200k is probably not enough but I'd certainly investigate the possibility of producing cheap complete Minimig systems. I think if it came with around 10 games and cost £30 it would sell pretty well. Additional games packs could be sold on SD cards to bring in some more revenue.
It would raise the profile of the Amiga brand and hopefully generate the kind of cash flow needed to develop Amiga OS4 to a state where it is worth considering to the average Joe.
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@djrikki
Well at least on a forum where there's only one member you can pretty easily figure out who's to blame for any disagreements....
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1719/masquebu8.jpg)
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Hmmm what would I do if I owned the Amiga trademark... and some capital...
For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG. There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team. Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
Over *cough* my... *wheeze* dead.... *splutter* body...
Amiga.org has always been and should always remain a site catering for all things Amiga and Amiga related.
Noise, indeed :griping:
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Hmmm what would I do if I owned the Amiga trademark... and some capital...
For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG. There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team. Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place I'd then meet Ben Hermans and discuss how the remaining capital could be best invested to not only sustain, but improve OS development.
oh how releaving to hear this reasonable voice here, investing mooney into taking away from people what they really like and trying to impose on them what they dumbly refuse, especially by means of buying internet domains and redirecting links, must sound very effective in a little red book of a dedicated os4 folover. and the part of meeting ben to discuss what to do with the remains is just tops! i think ainc and maybe the whole wall street have just found their master as to how to do real investments.
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Perhaps @orb85750 should have made things clearer:
He wrote "the Amiga trademark" not the AmigaOS trademark. Though he might have intended to set up a hypothetical alternative scenario to A-Eon (AmigaOne brand, AmigaOS world-wide rights, and ~$250k), he didn't make it clear enough.
If I owned the Amiga trademark, I'd sell it. Y'all are placing way too much meaning on a name. So I'm sure some fool out there will pay some stupid amount for it, not the $10M+ Bill McEwan is asking for but anything over $1M is a bonus. Add to that the $100k-$200k and I would form a start-up for a new computing platform.
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Hmmm what would I do if I owned the Amiga trademark... and some capital...
For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG. There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team. Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place I'd then meet Ben Hermans and discuss how the remaining capital could be best invested to not only sustain, but improve OS development.
Please make your way over to http://www.amigans.net and don't let the door hit you on your way out
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I would buy out Cloanto and make a Retro Player, kind of like amiga forever setup but have a store section like apple and have maybe the A500 setup with ks 1.3 rom free and then charge like £1.99 for each extra system you wanted as well as have games available to purchase, then try and expand the service to offer legitimate ways of obtaining say sega system or Nintendo systems, and have all the games in the retro playing format, make it as easy as possible for the end user to play these games, maybe make a very small console like system that would just boot up into the retro player.
I know it pretty easy to get you hands on emulators and systems roms, but the average jo believe me doesn't know how to set up most emulators and the whole scene is just a bit of a legal mess, it would be nice for someone to build a front end easy simple all in one solution to run any old game no matter what the console or format.
That sounds a lot like the GameGadget thing that blaze is bringing out. It's like a multi emulator thing that has an itunes style store for buying roms. So in a sense, if they could find a way of bringing some of the basic platformer and shooter games to this device it would fit in nicely.
Hmmm what would I do if I owned the Amiga trademark... and some capital...
For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG. There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team. Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place I'd then meet Ben Hermans and discuss how the remaining capital could be best invested to not only sustain, but improve OS development.
Think you have just managed to annoy a few people with that little nugget.
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annoy? no, hes priceless, the whole thread reduces with his post to an intelligence test. so bright!
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@djrikki
It's funny, how those so called real AmigaOS (read Hype OS) users want to get rid of the 'Noise' made by real Amiga users who like to have fun with their real Amiga's and get the most out of it, instead of forking out a fortune to be part of that AmigaNG crap called OS4.
You're not the first one to come up with that crap, don't let the door hit you on your way out, I heard that http://www.amigans.net is a great asylum for loonies like yourself.
I really wanted to be a positive/nice person this year but posts like yours just make that imposible. Oooh well, nothing I can do about it now, I just pressed the post it button.
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Hmmm what would I do if I owned the Amiga trademark... and some capital...
For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG. There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team. Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place I'd then meet Ben Hermans and discuss how the remaining capital could be best invested to not only sustain, but improve OS development.
Ah. You remind me why my interest in OS4 and its community quickly faded after getting my A1 - opinions and attitudes like yours.
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For starters some internet changes would be required, I'd buy A.org and have it redirect to AmigaOS.net and build a forum there where people could safely discuss Amiga NG. There would be no 'retro threads nor 'other OSes' threads, any detrimental talk about any other AmigaOS-like operating system or even the classic range would be deleted without warning by my moderation team. Amigaworld.net would cater for all that 'Noise'.
See, I initially read this as suggesting that pointless flameage against any NG Amiga-like OS would be considered "detrimental" and deleted (in other words, a sort of neutral-zone community accord-building environment,) and my brain didn't even process the rest of the post. It wasn't until I read other people's reactions that I went back and reassessed, because it had not even occurred to me that someone could be this narrow-minded, that they were suggesting the exact opposite of that, that they thought any talk at all about any non-OS4 option was "detrimental," much less that talk about real, honest-to-God Amigas that simply aren't OS4 should be banned as well.
Congratulations, drjikki, you totally proved me wrong.
What a maroon!
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place I'd then meet Ben Hermans and discuss how the remaining capital could be best invested to not only sustain, but improve OS development.
You could suggest to him porting to hardware that's readily and cheaply available. You know, like PPC Macs.
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what i love the most:
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place...
he really means it spelled like that?? doesnt he? i dont think i need to say what it reminds me of, because he just says it all?
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what i love the most:
Whilst this 'cleansing' is taking place...
he really means it spelled like that?? doesnt he? i dont think i need to say what it reminds me of, because he just says it all?
The "Final Solution": only Amiga makes it possible! ;D
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HI all
What I would do is try to keep the Amiga hardware about the same, except I would make it run at about 3.2 ghz, but still retain the same functions with additions to the sound, and aga graphics, in other words keep the old sound and graphics but add newer stuff to the chips, this way it would be backward compatible ( all except for Electronic Farts programs who based the timing of their programs on the Amiga chipsets, the ratards) yep that is all I would do is try to keep it the same but make it faster with more sound channels added to the old, and more colors added to the old.
smerf
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OOPS!!!
Over *cough* my... *wheeze* dead.... *splutter* body...
Amiga.org has always been and should always remain a site catering for all things Amiga and Amiga related.
Karlos, after a statement like that, I was just wondering why are you still here? you use a MAC don't you?
smerf
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HI all
What I would do is try to keep the Amiga hardware about the same, except I would make it run at about 3.2 ghz, but still retain the same functions with additions to the sound, and aga graphics, in other words keep the old sound and graphics but add newer stuff to the chips, this way it would be backward compatible ( all except for Electronic Farts programs who based the timing of their programs on the Amiga chipsets, the ratards) yep that is all I would do is try to keep it the same but make it faster with more sound channels added to the old, and more colors added to the old.
smerf
Sounds like Natami on steroids aka ASIC :D
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How anyone is going to achieve anything with a budget that basically covers two programmers for a year I don't know. A more achievable goal might be to fork AROS and move that fork towards modern OS concepts.
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I would port it to DEC Alpha and focus on that, to spite all parties in the CPU debate.
That was a joke, wasn't it?
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If A.org was gone, you'd all survive on an existing or a new forum - it wouldn't be the end of the world folks. Its just that a prominent TLD would point to somewhere more relevant in 2012. And Karlos, this thread is pure fantasy and 'what if' is it not? :p
If someone with serious cash (I do not agree that 200k would not be enough however, thats just what I would do) came along and wanted to invest in AmigaOS than they'd probably want to reshape the current landscape - is that not fair to say? I think thats a fair assumption.
Of course the word 'deterimental' means different things to different people. You wouldn't expect to visit the Apple forums today and find people talking about OS 8 every other post so why should the AmigaOS community be subjected to people continually looking backwards and not forwards.
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why should the AmigaOS community be subjected to people continually looking backwards and not forwards.
Maybe because the largest software base even for all NG solutions is still 68k?
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That was a joke, wasn't it?
Yes. Yes, that was a joke.
You wouldn't expect to visit the Apple forums today and find people talking about OS 8 every other post so why should the AmigaOS community be subjected to people continually looking backwards and not forwards.
I would. Classic Mac OS is the only real Mac OS, in my opinion. And if you think OS4 is "looking forwards" and the other NG options aren't, you're even more willfully-blind than I'dve thought.
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If A.org was gone, you'd all survive on an existing or a new forum - it wouldn't be the end of the world folks.
as a matter of fact i could check if my amigans account still works and start to post my rubbish over there for a change. it might serve them well to move the center of interest back to 68k.
If someone with serious cash (I do not agree that 200k would not be enough however, thats just what I would do) came along and wanted to invest in AmigaOS than they'd probably want to reshape the current landscape - is that not fair to say? I think thats a fair assumption.
Of course the word 'deterimental' means different things to different people. You wouldn't expect to visit the Apple forums today and find people talking about OS 8 every other post so why should the AmigaOS community be subjected to people continually looking backwards and not forwards.
certainly the best way to ensure that people are not talking of a software alternative is to prohibit such talk it by force, rather to improve this software beyond the said alternative.
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You wouldn't expect to visit the Apple forums today and find people talking about OS 8 every other post so why should the AmigaOS community be subjected to people continually looking backwards and not forwards.
Undoubtedly very true, but this is an Amiga forum: A forum about retro computers (or that's what it should be about, shouldn't it?).
People who want something new, people who want to look forward, should forget Amiga. People who want cool retro machines (for fun, not for looking forward or backward) can do far worse than Amiga.
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1. Release 1.x kickstart for free (not sure wb disks can be released as well, since Say,... may be copyrighted. If that's the case, a stripped down version could be released)
2. Hire people who worked on the Minimig, etc... to build a tiny version, that could be embeddable in a joystick
3. Contact old publishers to gain publish rights to some old well-known Amiga games (beast, kickoff series, sensible games, bitmap brothers games,..;)
4. Bundle an AmigaJoystick with something like 10-20 games. More packages could be purchased/downloaded by using USB and a computer
5. If possible, release some source code to open source
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I'd get hysterically drunk and run it into the ground like everyone else has.
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so why should the AmigaOS community be subjected to people continually looking backwards and not forwards.
The "people continually looking backwards" actually make up the majority of the Amiga community.
Nice business plan, btw. Pretending that OS4's main problem is that none of the half-dozen forums for "cleansed" Amiga NG fans has a catchy domain easily frees you from thinking about any real world problems like usability, hardware prices or the lack of software, stability and manpower. Impressive move.
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Given a very limited amount of capital, say $100-200K, and ownership of the Amiga trademark, what would you do with it? (Please, no jokes, as tempting as they may be here.)
I would play EuroMillions for about 5k$ and the rest and trademark would go over to the MorphOS Team.