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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: orb85750 on December 30, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
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Whom do you nominate as the worst Amiga trademark holder of all time? There is some stiff competition here over the last 16-17 years, so do give it some thought.
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Thats dead easy:
C= (the real one) as they were the only ones who had "Amiga" as an alive&competetive product (actually quite ahead of any competition) coupled with good resources and still managed to pull failure out of that.
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Thats dead easy:
C= (the real one) as they were the only ones who had "Amiga" as an alive&competetive product (actually quite ahead of any competition) coupled with good resources and still managed to pull failure out of that.
Let's just ignore all the years of success that Commodore had with the Amiga?? And the A1000 was improved upon, leading to a great deal of success with the A2000 and A500, thanks to Commodore. How can that fact be ignored?
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The original Commodore, by far. They had it all and dropped the ball horrendously. I'd like to say Commodore could have pulled off an Apple like reinvention of themselves if they had done it at the right time, but there was such a string of serious mistakes they made I'm not sure if it is not just wishful thinking, heh.
Everyone since has just been milking a dead cow at the expense of our childhood computing memories, which is not fun to watch, but it is a fairly straightforward and expected process. Vulture mentality, still a bit of meat around the carcass.
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Well lets be honest there have been plenty of terrible things happen with both the Commodore and Amiga brands over the years. And it's too soon to really valuate the current, if the news is correct, owners of the brands.
But like others I have to go with the original Commodore. They had a wonderful product yet managed to balls it all up.
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Gotta agree. Commode Door (the original) really fouled up.
And if they hadn't managed to go bankrupt selling the two most popular computers ever designed, they were (so I've heard) planning to discontinue the Amiga anyway - they were opting for Windoze NT instead.
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Sure, Commodore screwed up in the early 90s, but I'm really surprised that you think they're all bad. At least they managed to make the Amiga what it is (was) today. Escom or Amiga, Inc. would have had the same or better success building upon the A1000 had they owned the rights? Gateway sat on their ass and did nothing at all. But somehow Commodore is the worst of all. Crazy talk.
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Sure, Commodore screwed up in the early 90s, but I'm really surprised that you think they're all bad. At least they managed to make the Amiga what it is (was) today. Escom or Amiga, Inc. would have had the same or better success building upon the A1000 had they owned the rights? Gateway sat on their ass and did nothing at all. But somehow Commodore is the worst of all. Crazy talk.
Don't kid yourself buddy. The Amiga was a success despite C=, not because of them. My vote goes to Gateway however, for getting my hopes up and then p*****g on them.
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Don't get me wrong they made some great stuff, after all thats why we are here on this site because of one of the great things they made. But there is no denying they made some really bad decisions towards the end which, ultimately, led to the demise of Commodore and Amiga as we knew it then.
A lot of the other mistakes have been made by people licensing the names and brands rather than actually owning it outright.
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Don't kid yourself buddy. The Amiga was a success despite C=, not because of them. My vote goes to Gateway however, for getting my hopes up and then p*****g on them.
Getting your hopes up? Gateway was deep in the pockets of Microsoft - and I don't mean that in the usual foil hat way Amigoids tend to. I mean like every other box-mover, they were wholly committed to Microsoft. The Amiga IP didn't mean anything to them other than a possible hedge against MS (in the sense that GW was holding it up saying YOO-HOO, MICROSOFT, WE MIGHT DEVELOP OUR OWN MULTIMEDIA STUFF, WE ALREADY GOT THIS AMIGA THING, THAT'S PRETTY COOL, BETTER GIVE US A NICER DEAL). What, did you thing GW was going to break out the dies and tooling and start cranking out A1200s again?
In Workbench 1.2 there's an easter egg from the Amiga programmers (not C= !) that you can find that says "We made Amiga, They ****ed it up". All the way back in 1.2. The Amiga folks knew the writing was on the wall in 1986.
And as pointed out elsewhere, if C= were somehow magically still alive after '94, it'd be NT4 for whatever weirdo CPU, but wearing a C=/Amiga badge. Savor that for a moment. Yes, truly, C= of old was the worst.
This may change with CUSA's doings, that remains to be seen. Honestly I don't think they'll wind up big enough to actually fail as spectacularly as C= did. The days of box-shifting are gone. The days of the desktop PC are numbered. The $20000 "professional workstation" market is over. Go ask SGI's engineers - they all work at nVidia now. Desktop systems such as they are, are Windows powered. Period. Sorry, Mac users. Sorry, Linux geeks. That's just how it is. You can rant and rave that I just don't belieeeeeeeve! but...that's how it is. Everyone had their chance, and there's no room at the table for a one, two, or three man operation putting together boxes and badges and reskinned Linux Mint builds together to take the computing world by storm.
So with that said, I don't think CUSA will be the "worst" Amiga trademark holder, simply by virtue of the fact they won't be able to fall as far as C= originally did, because they won't get up that high. Not with a bang, but a whimper.
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Obviously, it was Genesi.
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Jack Tramiel, because he left C= :razz: :angel:
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Amiga the company (Lorraine prototype maker that became the A1000) because they sold out to Irving Gould's Commodore. It was all down hill from the A1000 onwards haha.
And if the rumors are correct I confidently predict it will be Commodore USA who really screw us, x86 $400 PC + Amiga sticker = $3000 "NEW AMIGA" ;)
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Whom do you nominate as the worst Amiga trademark holder of all time? There is some stiff competition here over the last 16-17 years, so do give it some thought.
Commodore.
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In Workbench 1.2 there's an easter egg from the Amiga programmers (not C= !) that you can find that says "We made Amiga, They ****ed it up". All the way back in 1.2. The Amiga folks knew the writing was on the wall in 1986.
The message was a game changer.
Sales in the UK were delayed while the message was removed & then development was moved to commodore because they didn't want it to happen again.
Without it, the a500 would probably not have happened and alot of people would never have afforded an amiga.
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There is no way that it is Amiga the company. Yes they had some lows but there were also many highs!
I vote for Gateway who did nothing but make false promises at a time when there still might have been a future. There was still a pulse.
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I agree gateway really missed the boat and are as large a part of amigas demise as anyone, after all they sold off to silly billy.
I would still argue however, that silly billy at the fake amiga inc and all its related shell game "companies" has done more harm to amiga and its legacy than any single individual.
The t-shirt scam, all the promises of new amiga, the bankruptcies, screwing investors, shell games to screw "shareholders" and business partners out of any money they put in, the fake company stuff (people visited their "office" in nyc and it was laughable!) The stadium sponsorship fakeout, and now the latest scam, taking orders for tablet devices they never delivered.
What else? Screwing cloanto or trying to, screwing H+P,Screwing amithlon developers... Screwing MorphOS developers,and more.
Hey there is selling the rights to use the name to anyone with a few bucks that want to slap stickers on standard pcs.
And lets not forget the hyperion/ainc battles that screwed any change of amiga progress for years and years
Silly Billy is by far the worst thing that ever happened to AMIGA, period.
He is the root of all the slimeball amiga grave robbing scams since commodore went under.