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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmigaClassicRule on December 24, 2011, 05:14:27 PM
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The guy who have given me the Amiga 4000T have the following specs:
1) Big-big tower case, it have the A4000T Video Toaster on the front end of the case.
2) It have build in CD-ROM player, a disk drive.
3) Six internal hard drives
4) A Video 4000 toaster
5) Two POWERFUL sound cards placed in the zorro slot
7) It have 2 MB Chip RAM and 128 MB Fast RAm
8) 68040 processor
When I turn the Amiga 4000T on it boots and the hard drive make this weird wrong ticking noises, it prompt right away Kickstart 3.0 ROM. The CD ROM LED light activity is constantly ON it is not stopping in motion...it just constantly turned ON.
But when I reboot the system again...it is black screen and nothing else shows.
When I press both the right and left mouse button at startup and look at what the devices it sees, it only shows the disk drive.
When I look at the expansion side of it it only shows one working expansion...even though there zorro cards, one is video toaster and the other for sound card and editing and stuff.
So I do not know what to say or do about this? What recommendation do you suggest in terms of filtering out the problem for the Amiga 4000T.
I kinda want this Amiga over the other Amigas I have in my house. Thanks in advance.
I talked to the guy who gave me the Amiga 4000T for free and he said that the scsi hard drive, the big huge one is normally for it to make ticking noises....still I need your input on this. Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
Write down what cards are where and remove them. Try and start from a bare bones machine, maybe graphics card only if one is present.
Chris
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Hi,
Write down what cards are where and remove them. Try and start from a bare bones machine, maybe graphics card only if one is present.
Chris
Good tips, I may also suggest if you are still having issues, to strip it down, and start over... be sure to note where all those cables go tho...
Oh, and don't remove the CPU card.. :D
A4000T's , especially in a Toaster/Flyer setup can act really flaky, tho, maybe it's just my 4000T...
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A real 4000tower or 4000desktop made into a tower would not bring up a kickstart pic.
If the hard drive has lost it's boot sector, it would show a insert workbench disk.
If the hard drive is corrupted, just put in a workbench disk.
If it's a 4000Desktop, it should boot from the floppy.
If it's a real 4000Tower, you will need a 4000T workbench (as it needs wb.libs)
m
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um, I wouldn't remove all the cards right away. perhaps its better to just try without the hard drives first. keeping in mind that scsi needs proper termination. also check if everything is firmly seated, perhaps transport has moved something inside.
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Just to point out that you really, really, really! need to terminate the 4000 SCSI bus... if you don't the system will hang at boot.
There is a built-in terminator in the mouse/keyboard print at the back of the case. Maybe the SCSI ribbon cable came loose from that?
Try removing the drives from the SCSI cable and have it run from the motherboard to the terminator. If you then turn on the system you should be greeted with the famous kickstart 3.1 screen...
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Actually I am deciding to sell it. The Amiga 1200D that I have is way superior than the Amiga 4000! First it have a PCMCIA slot allows me to actually go wireless on the internet easy peezy, with the desktop Amiga 1200 I have way more upgrades than the A4000. It have build in IDE port allows me to use modern 2.5" laptop hard drive. It is just better, it is smaller and I love it. So I am going to sell the Amiga 4000, the video toaster and all the cards, I am going to sell the other Amiga systems, everything, the Amiga CD 32 that he gave me and leave the Amiga 1200D.
In the Amiga 1200D he gave me it have installed a SCSI port, down o nthe ground I have a big case with scsi cable to install cd-rom and hard drive easy. Oh yeah, the big case that have scsi cable it also have a powerful ATX powers supply like hte on AmigaKit is selling so I do not need any other power supply or two power supply or anything. I just turn it on and both the Amiga 1200, the hard drive, CD-ROM everything turns on at the same time. It is a great system setup. Oh the Amiga 1200D is also have a 128 MB RAM like the A4000, I think it have 68040 card.
So yeah...sticking with the amiga 1200D. You guys have fun with the a4000
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Just to point out that you really, really, really! need to terminate the 4000 SCSI bus... if you don't the system will hang at boot.
There is a built-in terminator in the mouse/keyboard print at the back of the case. Maybe the SCSI ribbon cable came loose from that?
Try removing the drives from the SCSI cable and have it run from the motherboard to the terminator. If you then turn on the system you should be greeted with the famous kickstart 3.1 screen...
Once again. No 4000 will show a KICKstart pic. Kickstart is in rom.
What you should see is a insert Workbench disk screen.
BTW, if this is a 4000Desktop that has been placed in a tower.
It has ide connector on the motherboard.
If it has scsi, it must be a add-in.
If you're going to sell this please show us a pic!
m
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I am selling the A4000T separately from the video toaster and other cards of course. I need to make a little more money :D But there will be lots and lots and lots of pictures and everything so do not worry.
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I will post links for purchase. Oh yeah, ones I make sure the Amiga 1200 works 100% I am also selling my Amiga 500 with 8 MB of RAM and external GVP hard drive with 100 MB and it's power supply and the Amiga 500 power supply :). So you guys could fun all the way.
I just realized that the Amiga 1200 is truly the most superior Amiga classical models in the world. I was a moron to have sold my first Amiga 1200 but I am glad I got it back...though the case it needs a little bit of cleaning. But I am glad I got another chance to own ones again. :D This time I will never let go it of it again ever!!!
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Here are some of the auctions I posted already in eBay!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260922202830?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260922204877?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Another item for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260922207842
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Once again. No 4000 will show a KICKstart pic. Kickstart is in rom.
What you should see is a insert Workbench disk screen.
m
say what?
it doesn't matter if some call it 'insert workbench disk *animation*' or kickstart.pic, its the same thing. and its still in rom.
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say what?
it doesn't matter if some call it 'insert workbench disk *animation*' or kickstart.pic, its the same thing. and its still in rom.
Sorry, but they are not the same thing.
The A1000 came without Kickstart in ROM and you had to load Kickstart from floppy disk first, to get to the "insert Workbench Disk" animation.
Amiga users that came to the Amiga later than the A1000, and have never seen or owned one, might not know that it booted to a screen asking for a Kickstart disk first, then after you loaded the Kickstart floppy disk, it then showed the screen asking for the Workbench disk.
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I have a little problem with my Amiga 1200D. I need someone to help me with this. In the Amiga 1200D that I got it have a SCSI expansion card installed into it...when I hook the external SCSI hard drive box with the CD-ROM the Amiga 1200 does not detect it all. No matter what I do it does not detect the CD-ROM or the HD from the SCSI cable. Another problem I am facing, it does not have a HD installed into it..but it takes like a complete minute before the kickstart screen appears, and the floppy disk does not work. However, ones the kickstart 3.1 screen appears and I place the floppy disk it takes 20 seconds after inserting the floppy disk for the Amiga 1200 to read the disk. However, when I soft reboot the system it goes into black screen and wait another one complete minute before the kickstart screen appears...but the disk drive no longer read the floppy disk even earlier it read it before. I do not know what to do. I want TO SOOO BADLY WHEN I USE the SCSI cable the SCSI CD-ROM works. Both the CD-ROM and HD are placed inside a PC case with a power supply and a long SCSI cable hooked into the back of the A1200 SCSI port.
but when I place a copy of Amiga OS 3.5 into the CD ROm my Amiga 1200 does not see it nor the HD either....I am torn!! I reaaally want badly to get my A1200 working. Thanks in advance!!
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After reading your previous messages and looking at the pictures in the bay selling links.
You need a crash course in amiga.
The quote 1200 with highflyer endquote is a 4000Desktop in an expansion case.
the tower is also a 4000Desktop in another expansion case. The scsi drives might be flyer drives. Not system drives.
The amiga does not know cd drives without add-on software, several version available.
So...go step by step to make sure the basic machines are working.
It's possible that the external box was configured to be a system drive and cd drive.
It might have lost it's booting software?
good luck
m
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I have a little problem with my Amiga 1200D. I need someone to help me with this. In the Amiga 1200D that I got it have a SCSI expansion card installed into it...when I hook the external SCSI hard drive box with the CD-ROM the Amiga 1200 does not detect it all. No matter what I do it does not detect the CD-ROM or the HD from the SCSI cable. Another problem I am facing, it does not have a HD installed into it..but it takes like a complete minute before the kickstart screen appears, and the floppy disk does not work. However, ones the kickstart 3.1 screen appears and I place the floppy disk it takes 20 seconds after inserting the floppy disk for the Amiga 1200 to read the disk. However, when I soft reboot the system it goes into black screen and wait another one complete minute before the kickstart screen appears...but the disk drive no longer read the floppy disk even earlier it read it before. I do not know what to do. I want TO SOOO BADLY WHEN I USE the SCSI cable the SCSI CD-ROM works. Both the CD-ROM and HD are placed inside a PC case with a power supply and a long SCSI cable hooked into the back of the A1200 SCSI port.
but when I place a copy of Amiga OS 3.5 into the CD ROm my Amiga 1200 does not see it nor the HD either....I am torn!! I reaaally want badly to get my A1200 working. Thanks in advance!!
its normal having to wait for a minute if there is no hdd. you need to check scsi id and termination. connecting external scsi devices might be complicated. did it come with them? because (iirc) for them to work, you might need to disable the builtin external scsi terminator. better do that later. you should probably check the cables again, esp floppy.
btw, during those 20sec is there floppy drive activity?
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its normal having to wait for a minute if there is no hdd. you need to check scsi id and termination. connecting external scsi devices might be complicated. did it come with them? because (iirc) for them to work, you might need to disable the builtin external scsi terminator. better do that later. you should probably check the cables again, esp floppy.
btw, during those 20sec is there floppy drive activity?
I got the floppy disk work, I opened it and replaced the cable and it works. The SCSI port is an add-on. It is a tiny little port hooked into the expansion card by attaching the tiny little port into the card's board and by screwing them together. How do I disable the builtin external scsi terminator? It doesnot have any switches or anything like that. How do I disable the terminator all together? Thanks in advance.
By the way the scsi port of the amiga 1200D is a tiny little board enough to fit in that space at the end of the SCSI port board are two holes when I attacht the scsi board into the expansion card then I screw them together that is how it works.
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I got the floppy disk work, I opened it and replaced the cable and it works. The SCSI port is an add-on. It is a tiny little port hooked into the expansion card by attaching the tiny little port into the card's board and by screwing them together. How do I disable the builtin external scsi terminator? It doesnot have any switches or anything like that. How do I disable the terminator all together? Thanks in advance.
By the way the scsi port of the amiga 1200D is a tiny little board enough to fit in that space at the end of the SCSI port board are two holes when I attacht the scsi board into the expansion card then I screw them together that is how it works.
i think you need to remove small board (shown here at the top:
http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo2.pl?id=a4000t&pg=5&res=hi&lang=en )
and then connect the internal cable 'directly'.
but i'm not sure..
tbh, I've never connected external SCSI to any Amiga.
btw, be sure to check the (audio) capacitors on A/V module, they've leaked on mine long ago
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i think you need to remove small board (shown here at the top:
http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/photo2.pl?id=a4000t&pg=5&res=hi&lang=en )
and then connect the internal cable 'directly'.
but i'm not sure..
tbh, I've never connected external SCSI to any Amiga.
btw, be sure to check the (audio) capacitors on A/V module, they've leaked on mine long ago
Orange, I am confused by that... ^ .. I dont think a4000T will work without the ports module... And I believe that termination means at the BEGINNING of the SCSI chain...
Anyway, for the 2 days that my 4000T worked, I had 2 CD-r drives on the Cyberstorm SCSI, and a 100MB Zip on the 4KT's built-in SCSI.. Had no issues.
Honestly, SCSI on a miggy isn't all that hard, usually..
YMMV, tho...
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before you take to pieces i suggest you boot of floppy disk if you have bootable copy of dopus if you dont i can make you one .
with 6 hds going make tricky to work out which is the boot hard drive the guy hasint made easy for you . am assuming you are not to fimilar with amigas ?
well the 4000 esp u chould try booting with no start-sqwence and just let machine do its thing for at least hour see just one the hd needs to check iself sounds like the boot drive is .. try listen for which drive making the sound and then try disconecting the others or just maybe disconect the power cables to them that way you wont get ide cables around the wrong way .
If you boot of a program floppy you can check what hds are showing up and check to see with hdstepup that your main wb partion well any is set to be bootable
if booting from floppy i whould not start pulling cards out the system willie nillie
how i blew up my amiga 4000 desktop well not to panic i shorted out the floppy and assuming did someting to the psu so always pull out the power cable or switch it of at the switch, i was in hurry had visters call in aghhhhh
the cdrom light always being on chould mean one ide cables is pluged in wrong side around try reversing it it wont damage anything if wrong so dont worry
the 4000 t is it scsi only or ide too i assume its both ?
if its just scsi system try booting from floppy as above steps
let me know how u get on
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At first I sold the A4000T to this guy on eBay and now he is screwing me over and he wants the video toaster instead. Arrgh!! it is a big lose. So I cancelled the posting for the video toaster waiting patiently for him to confirm it. But he does not want the Amiga 4000T anymore, if you guys are interested in the Amiga 4000T I will be more than happy to sell it to you guys.
Personally I just want the A1200D to work correctly it have a 68030 on it with 16 MB of RAM (sweet). I am waiting for my next cheque to arrive to pay the 2.5" HD I bought then I am going to have fun with her....I LOVE YOU AMIGA 1200D (sings)!! The disk drive is too old so it dies and return back working and then dies. It does not matter I have two external disk drives and they work just fine booting OSs and games.
So please guys buy this computer off my hand!!
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But he does not want the Amiga 4000T anymore, if you guys are interested in the Amiga 4000T I will be more than happy to sell it to you guys.
So please guys buy this computer off my hand!!
I want A4000T!
PM on way! :)
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Anybody else interested in a complete A4000 with a video toaster and a flyer you can go to this link here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260922207842?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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Orange, I am confused by that... ^ .. I dont think a4000T will work without the ports module... And I believe that termination means at the BEGINNING of the SCSI chain...
Anyway, for the 2 days that my 4000T worked, I had 2 CD-r drives on the Cyberstorm SCSI, and a 100MB Zip on the 4KT's built-in SCSI.. Had no issues.
Honestly, SCSI on a miggy isn't all that hard, usually..
YMMV, tho...
I understood that this terminator module that goes on ports module.
yes, but you need termination on both beginning and end. and there would be two chains, one internal and one external.
since most of us don't have external devices, it should have ending termination on by default.
but perhaps termination isn't needed if there is no cable or device?
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I visited the ebay link as invited.
I noticed several problems.
The 516 audio picture is in fact a newtek flyer.
The scsi card picture is in fact a newtek flyer...
If you have amiga items to sell, PLEASE identify them correctly!
amiga.org users please note, the ebay listing are INCORRECT !!!
BTW, the pics are terrible! Use flash!
At first I sold the A4000T to this guy on eBay and now he is screwing me over and he wants the video toaster instead. Arrgh!! it is a big lose. So I cancelled the posting for the video toaster waiting patiently for him to confirm it. But he does not want the Amiga 4000T anymore, if you guys are interested in the Amiga 4000T I will be more than happy to sell it to you guys.
Personally I just want the A1200D to work correctly it have a 68030 on it with 16 MB of RAM (sweet). I am waiting for my next cheque to arrive to pay the 2.5" HD I bought then I am going to have fun with her....I LOVE YOU AMIGA 1200D (sings)!! The disk drive is too old so it dies and return back working and then dies. It does not matter I have two external disk drives and they work just fine booting OSs and games.
So please guys buy this computer off my hand!!
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It's also an A4000D in a tower, not A4000T.
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I understood that this terminator module that goes on ports module.
yes, but you need termination on both beginning and end. and there would be two chains, one internal and one external.
since most of us don't have external devices, it should have ending termination on by default.
but perhaps termination isn't needed if there is no cable or device?
Orange, yes you are right.. I didn't phrase that very well. I only meant to remind about termination at the beginning, as some ppl. aren't aware of this... Sorry, my bad.
For terminating the end, there's a DIP switch on the back panel of the 4000T.
And I guess I am the only one still using internal AND external SCSI devices...
I tried fitting my scanner internally.... it wouldn't fit! :D
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Orange, yes you are right.. I didn't phrase that very well. I only meant to remind about termination at the beginning, as some ppl. aren't aware of this... Sorry, my bad.
For terminating the end, there's a DIP switch on the back panel of the 4000T.
And I guess I am the only one still using internal AND external SCSI devices...
I tried fitting my scanner internally.... it wouldn't fit! :D
ahh, I suspected the DIP had it. but guess it don't matter now since its desktop model.
as for the scanner, you can always get the internal professional film/negative one, to fit proper worldview :)