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Title: New year for Amiga
Post by: b41d3r on December 12, 2011, 07:44:46 AM
Hi,

New year is approaching very fast, as time for new resolutions.
What would you like for you and for Amiga in this new year coming up ?
Me, as a newbie, I expect to learn more and more about my new favorite system. I begin  to code on this platform and wonder about what would be the perfert soft expected by the community. What would be the next killer app ? A driver, a game, an application ?
For hardware, sorry to say, but I don't expect nothing but a return of the good old Amiga workstation with same hardware as far as possible.
I'm not too tempted by "modern" options, I'm not fond of rich interface and alike hogging precious resources.I prefer quality, simplicity and performance over appearance.
And what about you ?
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Tension on December 12, 2011, 10:00:45 AM
AmigaOS on x86. That is the only way the user base will get a decent system at a realistic price. There'd even be a chance that the user base would grow! We wouldn't want that now, would we. Oh, and before someone mentions AROS - don't bother.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: yssing on December 12, 2011, 10:16:29 AM
Quote from: Tension;671134
AmigaOS on x86. That is the only way the user base will get a decent system at a realistic price. There'd even be a chance that the user base would grow! We wouldn't want that now, would we. Oh, and before someone mentions AROS - don't bother.


Not going to happen, that debate ended years ago.
I know you don't want to hear it, but AROS is the only x86 option.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: yssing on December 12, 2011, 10:20:03 AM
b41d3r >> A game construction kit would be great, that would give a lot more users the option of contributing.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Tension on December 12, 2011, 10:23:15 AM
Quote from: yssing;671136
Not going to happen, that debate ended years ago.
I know you don't want to hear it, but AROS is the only x86 option.


Bollocks.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: b41d3r on December 12, 2011, 11:08:26 AM
@Yssing

Is  there not one yet ? not even started ?
Rather strange if so.
What a coincidence, I was thinking about a sprites manager.
That would be a good start, no ?
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Templario on December 12, 2011, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: b41d3r;671130
Hi,

New year is approaching very fast, as time for new resolutions.
What would you like for you and for Amiga in this new year coming up ?
Me, as a newbie, I expect to learn more and more about my new favorite system. I begin  to code on this platform and wonder about what would be the perfert soft expected by the community. What would be the next killer app ? A driver, a game, an application ?
For hardware, sorry to say, but I don't expect nothing but a return of the good old Amiga workstation with same hardware as far as possible.
I'm not too tempted by "modern" options, I'm not fond of rich interface and alike hogging precious resources.I prefer quality, simplicity and performance over appearance.
And what about you ?
Drivers, because we need sound drivers for Sam460, drivers for the new graphic cards, and drivers for printers, and the OpenGL in Amiga OS4, after to work in new programs and games is more easy.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: yssing on December 12, 2011, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: b41d3r;671142
@Yssing

Is  there not one yet ? not even started ?
Rather strange if so.
What a coincidence, I was thinking about a sprites manager.
That would be a good start, no ?


There are some old ones, I am not sure if there even exist some for aga.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Cammy on December 12, 2011, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: yssing;671138
b41d3r >> A game construction kit would be great, that would give a lot more users the option of contributing.

We're working on it! :)

Quote from: yssing;671152
There are some old ones, I am not sure if there even exist some for aga.

There was a commercial one called Game Engine (I think) which allowed you to make AGA platform games. I don't know anyone who has it, but there was a demo on one of the Amiga magazines years ago.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: gdanko on December 12, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
Quote from: yssing;671136
Not going to happen, that debate ended years ago.
I know you don't want to hear it, but AROS is the only x86 option.


It looks like AROS has not been updated in ages. I'd love to try it again.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: b41d3r on December 12, 2011, 02:20:24 PM
@cammy
I'm a java programmer and you certainly know it, we strongly believe in community efforts like in open source.
So my question, is your project opensource or can be tried for feedback ?
Have you a specific need about it? Something already planned ?
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: jorkany on December 12, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: Templario;671148
Drivers, because we need sound drivers for Sam460, drivers for the new graphic cards, and drivers for printers, and the OpenGL in Amiga OS4, after to work in new programs and games is more easy.


He's asking about Amiga, not OS4.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: commodorejohn on December 12, 2011, 03:14:26 PM
This year, I'd like to get my game engine written, and ideally make some progress on one of the actual games...
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: SamuraiCrow on December 12, 2011, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: Cammy;671156
There was a commercial one called Game Engine (I think) which allowed you to make AGA platform games. I don't know anyone who has it, but there was a demo on one of the Amiga magazines years ago.


http://amr.abime.net/review_10248

Demo was on this magazine:
http://amr.abime.net/issue_240
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: fishy_fiz on December 12, 2011, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: gdanko;671160
It looks like AROS has not been updated in ages. I'd love to try it again.


Actually AROS is updated every day and is moving along nicely in recent times.
The website layout is a bit confusing though, the snapshots (which arent really updated anymore) are at the top of the downloads page, which at a glance makes it look like aros itself has stalled. If you scroll down beyond that you'll see the nightly builds. Additionally the main page status updates arent updated often.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: kickstart on December 12, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: Templario;671148
Drivers, because we need sound drivers for Sam460, drivers for the new graphic cards, and drivers for printers, and the OpenGL in Amiga OS4, after to work in new programs and games is more easy.


What?? sam460 havent sound drivers?
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: persia on December 12, 2011, 07:26:21 PM
AmigaOS X86 with memory protection and multi-user support.  Right, that's january done....

Quote from: b41d3r;671130
Hi,

New year is approaching very fast, as time for new resolutions.
What would you like for you and for Amiga in this new year coming up ?
Me, as a newbie, I expect to learn more and more about my new favorite system. I begin  to code on this platform and wonder about what would be the perfert soft expected by the community. What would be the next killer app ? A driver, a game, an application ?
For hardware, sorry to say, but I don't expect nothing but a return of the good old Amiga workstation with same hardware as far as possible.
I'm not too tempted by "modern" options, I'm not fond of rich interface and alike hogging precious resources.I prefer quality, simplicity and performance over appearance.
And what about you ?
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Iggy on December 12, 2011, 08:43:35 PM
FPGA Amigas - Replay and Natami
 
R300 3D drivers for MorphOS (and later, R400).
 
G5 support for MorphOS.
 
Continued cooperation amongst all NG OS'.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Thorham on December 12, 2011, 09:51:25 PM
Quote from: Tension;671139
Bollocks.
And who exactly is going to implement AmigaOs on IA32/64? That's what I thought :p
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Thorham on December 12, 2011, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: b41d3r;671130
I'm not fond of rich interface and alike hogging precious resources.I prefer quality, simplicity and performance over appearance.
Rich interfaces can be feature rich, and don't need eye candy (can be optional). Just a thought ;)
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: pampers on December 12, 2011, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: b41d3r;671130
Hi,

New year is approaching very fast, as time for new resolutions.
What would you like for you and for Amiga in this new year coming up ?
Me, as a newbie, I expect to learn more and more about my new favorite system. I begin  to code on this platform and wonder about what would be the perfert soft expected by the community. What would be the next killer app ? A driver, a game, an application ?
For hardware, sorry to say, but I don't expect nothing but a return of the good old Amiga workstation with same hardware as far as possible.
I'm not too tempted by "modern" options, I'm not fond of rich interface and alike hogging precious resources.I prefer quality, simplicity and performance over appearance.
And what about you ?

MorphOS 3.0 - that's what I'm aiming and waiting for as the best thing can happen in Amiga community in 2012.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: commodorejohn on December 12, 2011, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: Thorham;671214
Rich interfaces can be feature rich, and don't need eye candy (can be optional). Just a thought ;)
They can indeed - they just rarely are :/
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: paolone on December 12, 2011, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: fishy_fiz;671186
Actually AROS is updated every day and is moving along nicely in recent times.
The website layout is a bit confusing though, the snapshots (which arent really updated anymore) are at the top of the downloads page, which at a glance makes it look like aros itself has stalled. If you scroll down beyond that you'll see the nightly builds. Additionally the main page status updates arent updated often.

...and, moreover, AROS nightly builds are DEFINITELY NOT what users want. They are good for developers and for anyone that want to customize everything from scratch. Anyone that wishes to install a usable system on their computer should look for a distribution instead.
Title: Re: New year for Amiga
Post by: Thorham on December 12, 2011, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;671220
They can indeed - they just rarely are :/
That is sadly the case, especially when you think about what AGA+030 could do here. Perhaps it's time to write something...