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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Snoozy on December 09, 2011, 10:53:20 PM
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Hi ppl,
I am thinking to put my a1200 online to enable better file transfer etc, I have ordered a PCMCIA wired ethernet nic, so i have couple questions:
1) Is my A1200 3.1 rom, 4gb cf with accelerator card ACA1230 @ 28mhz 64mb on classic WBLite up to the task?
2) What software do i need to install to my a1200, TCP/IP software AmiTCP, Genesis(build in AOS3.9) or Miami ??
Thanks if you can help :)
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Hi ppl,
I am thinking to put my a1200 online to enable better file transfer etc, I have ordered a PCMCIA wired ethernet nic, so i have couple questions:
1) Is my A1200 3.1 rom, 4gb cf with accelerator card ACA1230 @ 28mhz 64mb on classic WBLite up to the task?
2) What software do i need to install to my a1200, TCP/IP software AmiTCP, Genesis(build in AOS3.9) or Miami ??
Thanks if you can help :)
Your A1200 w/accelerator and extra RAM is up to the task of going online for the purpose of transferring files. Any of the TCP stacks you mentioned will work, just choose which one you want to use and find a FTP file transfer program you like.
If you bought your A1200 NIC from AmigaKit, they might have included their "EasyNet" software to help you get connected. If not, it is available from them for a small amount.
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1) Is my A1200 3.1 rom, 4gb cf with accelerator card ACA1230 @ 28mhz 64mb on classic WBLite up to the task?
That's basically the hardware I use. 3.0 ROM and Classic WB Full, but that shouldn't make any difference.
I do run in Interlace with MagicTV to reduce the effect of the flicker on my 1084s.
2) What software do i need to install to my a1200, TCP/IP software AmiTCP, Genesis(build in AOS3.9) or Miami ??
I use AmiTCP 3 personally.
I'm not at all bothered by command line configs. (Not that there wasn't some confusion. It didn't work the first few times.. ;-)
I also don't like time limits or nag windows, and licenses on some of those are hard to come by, so I went AmiTCP. If I'm not mistaken (I don't use it), I think Easynet uses AmiTCP 3 also.
For file transfers, I haven't had any problems with AmiTradeCenter (I think that's it).
I just run an FTP server on one of my machines at home. I can prep files on it and then send them to the Amiga or I can just download directly using AWeb.
desiv
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Your A1200 w/accelerator and extra RAM is up to the task of going online for the purpose of transferring files. Any of the TCP stacks you mentioned will work, just choose which one you want to use and find a FTP file transfer program you like.
If you bought your A1200 NIC from AmigaKit, they might have included their "EasyNet" software to help you get connected. If not, it is available from them for a small amount.
Hi, well i didn't buy from amigakit but i would buy their software but its on a cd, so can you copy the cd onto pc and then from pc on to a CF and PCMCIA adaptor and install to the 1200 that way?
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That's basically the hardware I use. 3.0 ROM and Classic WB Full, but that shouldn't make any difference.
I do run in Interlace with MagicTV to reduce the effect of the flicker on my 1084s.
I use AmiTCP 3 personally.
I'm not at all bothered by command line configs. (Not that there wasn't some confusion. It didn't work the first few times.. ;-)
I also don't like time limits or nag windows, and licenses on some of those are hard to come by, so I went AmiTCP. If I'm not mistaken (I don't use it), I think Easynet uses AmiTCP 3 also.
For file transfers, I haven't had any problems with AmiTradeCenter (I think that's it).
I just run an FTP server on one of my machines at home. I can prep files on it and then send them to the Amiga or I can just download directly using AWeb.
desiv
Hey Desiv, its reassuring to know there are others with a similar set-up that are already online. How are you getting on with your aca1230 these days, has there been any more news on the new aca card that was set to be released about now? :)
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I'm kind of curious about this as well, as I've just acquired a 1200 with a PCMCIA Ethernet card I'd like to set up. I don't have a CD drive installed, and I'd rather not try to jury-rig one if I don't have to; how simple is it to copy things over via floppy from a PC just enough to get the initial setup done?
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Hey! ;-)
How are you getting on with your aca1230 these days, has there been any more news on the new aca card that was set to be released about now? :)
Love the ACA...
I had a bit of a scare a bit ago. I installed a new CF-IDE adapter (one that will work with the HD LED on the Amiga case) and then my Amiga wouldn't boot... After swapping things around (and panicking like crazy for a bit), I remembered that my ACA had a tight fit and wondered if I bumped it. So, I pulled it back just a bit and everything works great again. ;-)
(My Amiga wants its cards slid back just a bit. My 8M RAM card was the same.)
Whew! :-)
As for news, I heard Jens was a bit swamped and some products (the Indivision MK2) are going to be delayed...
I think there was an issue with acquiring memory chips (for the new ACAs?? Can't remember) that was causing a bit of a delay also..
So there might be some delays (might affect Christmas), but they're still queued up.
I've heard good things about Easynet, so if you want to do that, it's probably worth it.
I like Amigakit as a company too..
If you want to go old skool, I can help you with the configs..
Mine are rather modified. ;-)
desiv
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Hi ppl,
I am thinking to put my a1200 online to enable better file transfer etc, I have ordered a PCMCIA wired ethernet nic, so i have couple questions:
1) Is my A1200 3.1 rom, 4gb cf with accelerator card ACA1230 @ 28mhz 64mb on classic WBLite up to the task?
2) What software do i need to install to my a1200, TCP/IP software AmiTCP, Genesis(build in AOS3.9) or Miami ??
Thanks if you can help :)
You should definitely use MiamiDX for 3.1 ... Great TCP/IP stack!
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10cmain
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10c-MUI
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=209883&postcount=10
I think this is all you need...
to transfer files you can use this:
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiTradeCenter
I also use SAMBA wich works great but may be really slow on a 030 as its kinda sluggish on my 060.
http://www.birrabrothers.com/tiger/data/samba/download/index.htm
if you get a browser like Ibrowse or aweb going you can use this portal to access this site.
http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk
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Hey guys, I use my A1200 with a 28Mhz 030 (an old DKB Cobra, slower than the ACA1230/28) with 64MB RAM as my main computer system every day. I own several PCs and other computers but my A1200 is the one I use the most, and I'm online all day! So have no fear, it's perfectly up to the task if you don't have your expectations too high. You should definitely try using your A1200 to chat with, the keyboard is a dream to use compared to any modern keyboards which use cheap rubber components instead of coiled, metal springs like the A1200. You can also play some online games, the best would have to be Dynamite. It's like Bomberman but you can play against a whole heap of friends (and enemies) online. I recommend MiamiDX for TCP, it's the best there is until Roadshow comes out. You can even get free keyfiles for it.
I have recently been setting up a new A1200 and made a backup of the customised Workbench 3.1 setup I have put together so far and uploaded it online for other Amiga owners (who legally own Workbench, since they own the hardware) to download and try on their A1200s. It already has both AmiTCP 3.2b and MiamiDX installed as well as a bunch of updates, patches and better datatypes and things. It also has the IBrowse 2.4 demo installed as well as the unrestricted IBrowse 1.2 which was given away free with Aminet CD 24.
If anyone would like to try it, send me a private message and I'll send you the link. It's an uncompressed LHA file inside a Zip file. You unzip it first to produce the uncompressed LHA, which you would transfer to the A1200 somehow (through a PCMCIA card reader or by putting your drive in a PC and using WinUAE), then extract it to a bootable partition. It's actually the beginning of a new Workbench pack a few of us are working on, so we need some testers if anyone would like to try it and help us perfect it for release. I made a demonstration comparing Composite and S-Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L2279fq258) recently, and to demonstrate I used Workbench and some programs, including Doom and Shapeshifter. Everything you see in the video is included. This was running on a plain 14Mhz 68EC020 A1200 with only a 8MB RAM card, no CPU upgrade so expect better performance on your 030s.
Some good internet software:
WookieChat (Internet Relay Chat) - http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com/wookiechat/
SabreMSN (MSN Instant Messenger) - http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com/sabremsn/
AmIRC (Internet Relay Chat) - http://www.amirc.org/
AmiMSN (MSN Instant Messenger) - http://members.iinet.net.au/~trebs/AmiMSN/
Dynamite (Online Game) - http://amisource.de/dynamite/
AmiTwitter (Twitter) - http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/
AmiGift (P2P File Sharing) - http://amigift.sourceforge.net/
IBrowse (Web Browser) - http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/
AmiNetRadio (Music Collection & Online Radio) - http://amigazeux.net/anr/
TwinVNC (Virtual Network Computer Client) - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/TwinVNC0.8beta
MiamiDX (TCP/IP) - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10cmain
MiamiDX GUI - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10c-MUI
MiamiDX Keyfile - http://www.fatcat.vispa.com/keyring/
Here are some useful files that you can copy to your Amiga on a 720kb DOS-formatted disk (remember to cover the second hole on a HD floppy disk with tape) so you can begin using some PCMCIA cards.
If you're using your PCMCIA port you might experience lockups when the card doesn't reset itself and the Amiga tries to access it. If this happens, you can usually unlock the computer by pulling the card out and re-inserting it. In any case, you should either perform a simple hardware fix or install these patches which will reset your PCMCIA port each time you boot up:
CardPatch - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CardPatch
CardReset - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CardReset
If you use a cheap PCMCIA CF or SD card reader, you will need the driver and a filesystem that recognises FAT-formatted drives:
CompactFlash Device - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/cfd
Fat95 - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/fat95
When using a PCMCIA network card you will need one of two drivers, depending on the chipset your card uses:
CNet Device - http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/cnetdevice
3c589 Device - http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/3c589
Also you might want to try a lighter, but harder to configure TCP stack, AmiTCP 3.2b is free and there is a very useful setup guide here:
AmiTCP - http://www.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de/~andreas/amitcp/index.htm
And of course the most useful file of them all, which you will need before you can extract anything, LhA:
LhA 2.12 (Run this first) - http://aminet.net/package/util/arc/lha
LhA 2.15 (Then extract this) - http://aminet.net/package/util/arc/lha_68k
What else?
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Ok thanks to you all for your advice, I think I will go with miami in the first instance.
No doubt I will be back for further consult when it comes to setting it up :)
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A few handy tips:
-If you've ordered Amikit's EasyNet CD and don't have a CD drive for your Amiga, you could be tempted to think you could just copy the files from the CD to a CF card, plug it to your Amiga through the PCMCIA adapter and there you go! ... Well, not entirely true! If you're doing it through Windows some flags from the Amiga files could be lost in the process which is likely to cause troubles at later stages.
The "not so fast" but "really more secure" way is making an ISO image of the CD at your PC, copy it to the CF card, plug the card into your miggy and mount this image as a real Amiga device. I used Isomount for that, though any of the available diskimage devices at Aminet will do. Once mounted, just double click on the installer icon and let it do its job!
-Your LAN at home is likely to be using DHCP while your Amiga is likely not doing it save you installed some DHCP utilities (which have mixed reports: some people say they work fine and some other state they don't work at all). Workarounds this include configuring your LAN to work with fixed IPs (which is a pain nowadays) or being the lucky owner of a router that supports working with DHCP while simoultaneously having some IPs reserved for specific devices (usually using MAC numbers as identifiers). This last proved to be a life-saver in my case, as it works like a charm for going on-line with my 2 miggys at the same time.
-If you're using WIFI, your home LAN is likely to be using some modern security ciphering system as WPA2, while your Amiga is likely to be stuck at WEP. Either you are the lucky owner of a router which can work with both systems simoultaneously (which right now I don't even know if it exists!), have some workaround with several access points, or just downgrade your whole LAN to WEP, which is still a nice (but deprecated) security level anyway... provided you're sure none of your neighbours is a bad ugly evil hacker! :-)
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Workarounds this include configuring your LAN to work with fixed IPs (which is a pain nowadays)
It's not pain at all. Fixed IPs and DHCP can coexist just fine now and in the past. Just use fixed IPs with devices you want and DHCP on other devices if you want. If you want to make it cleaner way, define the IP-address range DHCP gives to clients from the router to something other than you're going to use statically.
or being the lucky owner of a router that supports working with DHCP while simoultaneously having some IPs reserved for specific devices (usually using MAC numbers as identifiers).
That way you're still using DHCP with all devices, but router just gives same "fixed" IP address for certain devices always (via DHCP still).
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Why not use DHCP?
I have been using DHCP with MiamiDX from the start...
Every once in a while MIAMI fails to get an IP address, but if I click [Online] again it always works the second time unless my router is stoned. I have Miami set up to iconify after going online. This happens very infrequently and also keep in mind that the Amiga reboots more frequently and thus uses DHCP more than my other computers.
I do have the mac 7.6.1 under Shapeshifter set to use a static IP. I just picked one that is below the range that the router assigns via DHCP.
I think the main advantage to using DHCP is that the router can put an entry in its DNS table for your computer. So I should be able to put in "Amiga1200" as a FTP server address if I had an ftp service running. You must enable and populate the option "send host name on request" in DCHP options in Miami.
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Ok thanks to you all for your advice, I think I will go with miami in the first instance.
No doubt I will be back for further consult when it comes to setting it up :)
You probably won't have much trouble with Miami.
The MiamiDX's UI is probably the best user interface I have seen for configuring a TCP/IP stack and related services and databases on any platform ever.
It is also very powerful. You can even configure it to act as a NAT router.
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Why not use DHCP?
I have been using DHCP with MiamiDX from the start...
Because AmiTCP/IP based stacks don't come with DHCP support and some people prefer them for efficiency and availability.
MiamiDX is too bloated with features which are useless for many people. Makes it bit messy IMHO. I think Genesis GUI is more clear and it is already installed for people who use OS3.9. I've used MiamiDX only on special occasions like when I've absolutely needed DHCP, PPPoE, broadcasting or network sharing via Amiga, but in the most cases external routers have obsoleted those needs nowadays and basic network setups are just fine. AmiTCP is also much faster than traffic monitoring Miami...
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Ah, Cammy to the rescue!
As far as AmiTCP vs. MiamiDX goes, how much lighter is AmiTCP supposed to be? What's the general memory/CPU use for either?
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Ah, Cammy to the rescue!
As far as AmiTCP vs. MiamiDX goes, how much lighter is AmiTCP supposed to be? What's the general memory/CPU use for either?
I can't get MiamiDX to play ball with my A1200 and CNet ethernet adapter, just will not connect. In the end used Genesis (which is based on Amitcp) and works great, very fast and small too.
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As far as AmiTCP vs. MiamiDX goes, how much lighter is AmiTCP supposed to be? What's the general memory/CPU use for either?
CPU usage will be at max with nowadays speeds with 68k systems.. with faster cpu you get faster transfers and on same cpu you get faster speed with AmiTCP. I don't know memory usage as I've always had "enough" mem on my systems, but pre Genesis AmiTCP:s should take noticeably less than ones with GUIs... but mem consumption shouldn't be the issue if you have some fast mem anyway..
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Because AmiTCP/IP based stacks don't come with DHCP support and some people prefer them for efficiency and availability.
MiamiDX is too bloated with features which are useless for many people. Makes it bit messy IMHO. I think Genesis GUI is more clear and it is already installed for people who use OS3.9. I've used MiamiDX only on special occasions like when I've absolutely needed DHCP, PPPoE, broadcasting or network sharing via Amiga, but in the most cases external routers have obsoleted those needs nowadays and basic network setups are just fine. AmiTCP is also much faster than traffic monitoring Miami...
ram before miami dx.
78876780
ram after
77443360
1433420 = 1.37 MB
how much does Amitcp use? the only reason I'd even consider anything other than Miami is for something like my Minimig which has only 1.5mb fast ram and 2mb chip.
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Huh, ~1.5MB shouldn't be a problem, I've got 32MB in there now. However, I can't seem to get it working; I've got MiamiDX all installed (can't figure out how to use the keyfiles to register, though,) but it doesn't seem to be talking to the network correctly. I've got the driver for the PCMCIA LAN card installed (3c589.device, it's an Etherlink III 3c589D-TP,) I've got it set up to use DHCP, but it doesn't seem to do anything; the little 10BaseT light on the card dongle doesn't even come on, nor does the corresponding port light on the router. Is there some step I'm missing in configuring the hardware?
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Oh, something else to watch out for.
This is documented, but if you don't read the known problems, section.. ;-)
WHDLOAD doesn't like networking..
Rather, networking messes up WHDLOAD.. It can cause weird errors or freeze your Amiga.
All you have to do is disable your IP stack before launching a game and all is good.
(In fact, you can even have WHDLOAD do that automatically...)
Just something to remember...
Have fun!
desiv
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You should definitely use MiamiDX for 3.1 ... Great TCP/IP stack!
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10cmain
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10c-MUI
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=209883&postcount=10
I think this is all you need...
to transfer files you can use this:
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiTradeCenter
I also use SAMBA wich works great but may be really slow on a 030 as its kinda sluggish on my 060.
http://www.birrabrothers.com/tiger/data/samba/download/index.htm
if you get a browser like Ibrowse or aweb going you can use this portal to access this site.
http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk
Hi, i'm having some problems installing miamidx, as it keeps telling me i need to install the mui files which i i've aready installed...hmm is miami for os 3.1?
I'm using OS 3.9 and i see on my internet options that i have genesis already available. When i double click genesis it tells me to insert amitcp in any drive - i have already installed amitcp so i don't know why it can't find it (I have a pcmcia card plugged in with ethernet cable to router)
Any advice? :)
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Hi, well i didn't buy from amigakit but i would buy their software but its on a cd, so can you copy the cd onto pc and then from pc on to a CF and PCMCIA adaptor and install to the 1200 that way?
Just got a grab a copy of EasyNet (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=586), it's easy to use a PC to grab it off the CDROM and stick it on your CF. :)
I was going to use a LAN connection with my ACA 56Mhz 030 but after struggling to connect to shared drives on my 64bit Windows 7 box I gave up and went back to the good old CF/PCMCIA solution. Using Amiga web browsers was painful for anything more than downloading stuff off AmiNet.
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Its awfully handy for getting stuff off aminet.
It can be painful for other things. Some times I end up doing it just because :)
Forums usually arent too bad, though you may as well disable images.
I set Ibrowse up to use RAM as cache instead of the hard drive, which seems to be a little bit faster.
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You should definitely try using your A1200 to chat with, the keyboard is a dream to use compared to any modern keyboards which use cheap rubber components instead of coiled, metal springs like the A1200.
A1200 keyboards use a membrane and rubber contacts. Apparently you haven't seen one of these on the inside... A1200 keyboards are just as crappy as any cheap keyboard. Buckling spring switches in an A1200 keyboard, if only!
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I would kill a not insignificant amount of windows users, to have a 1200 with an IBM model M keyboard in it.
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A1200 keyboards use a membrane and rubber contacts. Apparently you haven't seen one of these on the inside... A1200 keyboards are just as crappy as any cheap keyboard. Buckling spring switches in an A1200 keyboard, if only!
Did you completely misread my post? Read it again, take note of what I said "coiled metal springs". How you misinterpreted this as "buckling spring switches" I have no idea. I have seen inside all the Amiga keyboards, and guess what pops out if you pull a key off an A1200? A spring! Not some little rubber notch. The coiled spring provides the only resistance between the key and the membrane, allowing your fingers to glide down and back up without having to apply extra pressure to register a keystroke. Typing for several hours on a keyboard with rubber notches (the same you find inside control pad buttons) puts a lot of stress on your fingers. The A1200's keys don't. So therefore when I say the A1200 is a dream to use compared to "any modern keyboards which use cheap rubber components" I mean exactly that, it's better than any keyboard which uses rubber notches to add resistance to the keys because it puts a lot less stress on your fingers than those ones do.
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i do agree with cammy that the 1200 keyboard is better quality compared to modern keyboards. Although i do as little typing as possible these days by using "dragon naturally speaking" software :lol:
So do i need to install amitcp into the genesis folder? Do i need a key file for genesis to work?
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Nope, no keyfile needed for Genesis :)
Hmm,... that's a bit odd about it asking you to insert amitcp when starting Genesis. Perhaps a remnant from a previous attempt at installing a tcp/ip stack?
I recommend installing snoopdos and seeing exactly what its looking for at that point and possibly making an assign for "amitcp:" at that path. Not a particularly "clean" solution, but it may work (snoopdos will give you clues here as to whether it will or not). Slight sidebar, but snoopdos is pretty essential in general, so get it if you dont already have it :)
As for the a1200 keyboards, Im with Cammy and Snoozy here, I really like them. Theyre both nice and "soft" to type on, plus quite sturdy. My only complaint would be that some common multiple key combinations dont work. They definately use springs and not some rubber membrane though. Ive actually lost the spring from my keypad enter key at the moment so have some blutac holding up the little tube switch/clip/whatever_you_call_it thing that the key plugs into (and that spring sits in). :)
Not my greatest makeshift diy fix it job I must admit :)
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OFF-TOPIC:
Did you completely misread my post? Read it again, take note of what I said "coiled metal springs". How you misinterpreted this as "buckling spring switches" I have no idea.
Probably because I only read the word 'spring' and had completely forgotten about the coiled springs under the key caps (I haven't used an Amiga keyboard for six years now). Also, it was late when I posted ;)
i do agree with cammy that the 1200 keyboard is better quality compared to modern keyboards.
Modern keyboards use the same kind of technology as Amiga keyboards: Rubber notches for contact (internally) and membranes, they only added springs under the key caps. Furthermore, peecee keyboards come in different levels of quality, so saying that 'modern' keyboards aren't as good as Amiga keyboards doesn't mean much, and is ultimately not true, because they still make buckling spring keyboards, and these are the best (and come at a quite price).
This technology is extremely cheap and crappy. The only good keyboards are buckling spring keyboards, and they've been making these since the early '80s, or probably even since the '70s. Buckling springs are the modern stuff, while todays craptastic rubber notch+membrane rubbish is a huge step backward (and sadly this includes Amiga keyboards).
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I'm using OS 3.9 and i see on my internet options that i have genesis already available. When i double click genesis it tells me to insert amitcp in any drive - i have already installed amitcp so i don't know why it can't find it
Screwed User-Startup?
Check if there is a working assign for AmiTCP.
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Screwed User-Startup?
Check if there is a working assign for AmiTCP.
Yes it looks like the assign is either missing or is pointed at the wrong version of AmiTCP.
If you have Genesis installed, do not also install AmiTCP!
The only AMiTCP assign should be in S:User-Startup and it should be:
;BEGIN Genesis
assign AmiTCP: "SYS:Internet/Genesis"
;END Genesis
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Ok, so I will go and have a look at my s:startup sequence and report back. I knew this wasn't going to be straight forward!
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S:User-Startup!
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Ok at the bottom of my S:User-Startup..
;TrueMultiAssigns
;END ViNCEd
;BEGIN AWeb
Assign AWebPath: "hd0:Internet/Aweb3SE"
;END AWeb
hmmm should i replace the Begin Aweb section with:
;BEGIN Genesis
assign AmiTCP: "SYS:Internet/Genesis"
;END Genesis
:confused:
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hmm if i use aweb (which seems the default setting on my OS3.9) I can get as far as the urls appearing etc but wwhen i try and load a web page it tells me that a TCP stack must be started first. Does this mean I need to Assign AmiTCP in my User-Startup?
erm help? :)
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hmm if i use aweb (which seems the default setting on my OS3.9) I can get as far as the urls appearing etc but wwhen i try and load a web page it tells me that a TCP stack must be started first. Does this mean I need to Assign AmiTCP in my User-Startup?
erm help? :)
add
AmiTCP:bin/startnet
user-startup or type manually
EDIT:
that may not work though because you are using genesis, not AmiTCP
well, there must be some way to start Genesis. But leave your assigns alone, thats definitely not going to help :)
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You generally have to manually start the TCP/IP program first.
Assigning it doesnt make it start automatically (and if you use WHDLoad, you probably wouldnt want it to in any event)
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You generally have to manually start the TCP/IP program first.
Assigning it doesnt make it start automatically (and if you use WHDLoad, you probably wouldnt want it to in any event)
Ok, so i should have easynet in the next day or so (ordered from amigakit and will be on cd)
So i extract the files from cd onto cf card and copy over to 1200 via pcmcia.
The Easynet files will arrange my tcp stack and then i just use either Aweb or Genesis to browse? Is that right?
Do i need to input my IP address somewhere into the 1200 Aweb software?
And what is the risk to whdload of using the internet on a 1200?
Thanks if any can offer advice for those that have already trodden this path :)
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Ok, so i should have easynet in the next day or so (ordered from amigakit and will be on cd)
So i extract the files from cd onto cf card and copy over to 1200 via pcmcia.
The Easynet files will arrange my tcp stack and then i just use either Aweb or Genesis to browse? Is that right?
Do i need to input my IP address somewhere into the 1200 Aweb software?
And what is the risk to whdload of using the internet on a 1200?
Thanks if any can offer advice for those that have already trodden this path :)
You do have to set it up. It isn't too too hard, though if you haven't done it in a while, fiddle with it a bit and be prepared to google information.
Easynet includes a TCP/IP stack and you just use whatever web browser you want. It isnt fast but its handy for some things.
THe risk to WHDload is just that it may crash your machine if an IP stack is running. No big deal. I usually reboot after using it anyways, to avoid memory fragmentation troubles.
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You do have to set it up. It isn't too too hard, though if you haven't done it in a while, fiddle with it a bit and be prepared to google information.
Easynet includes a TCP/IP stack and you just use whatever web browser you want. It isnt fast but its handy for some things.
THe risk to WHDload is just that it may crash your machine if an IP stack is running. No big deal. I usually reboot after using it anyways, to avoid memory fragmentation troubles.
hey runequester,
So what you're saying is keep whdload gaming sessions and internet browsing completely separate, ie cold reboot between the two?
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hey runequester,
So what you're saying is keep whdload gaming sessions and internet browsing completely separate, ie cold reboot between the two?
Snoozy
cold reboot is not required.
just regular c-a-a,
anyway miami only seems to interfere with some games, not all. I'm not sure about the other stacks, but if the game fails, its a good bet you'll be rebooting anyway...
you can also have wnhdload stop the stack, but I'm not sure offhand how to make that happen.
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Hey guys, I use my A1200 with a 28Mhz 030 (an old DKB Cobra, slower than the ACA1230/28) with 64MB RAM as my main computer system every day. I own several PCs and other computers but my A1200 is the one I use the most, and I'm online all day! So have no fear, it's perfectly up to the task if you don't have your expectations too high. You should definitely try using your A1200 to chat with, the keyboard is a dream to use compared to any modern keyboards which use cheap rubber components instead of coiled, metal springs like the A1200. You can also play some online games, the best would have to be Dynamite. It's like Bomberman but you can play against a whole heap of friends (and enemies) online. I recommend MiamiDX for TCP, it's the best there is until Roadshow comes out. You can even get free keyfiles for it.
I have recently been setting up a new A1200 and made a backup of the customised Workbench 3.1 setup I have put together so far and uploaded it online for other Amiga owners (who legally own Workbench, since they own the hardware) to download and try on their A1200s. It already has both AmiTCP 3.2b and MiamiDX installed as well as a bunch of updates, patches and better datatypes and things. It also has the IBrowse 2.4 demo installed as well as the unrestricted IBrowse 1.2 which was given away free with Aminet CD 24.
If anyone would like to try it, send me a private message and I'll send you the link. It's an uncompressed LHA file inside a Zip file. You unzip it first to produce the uncompressed LHA, which you would transfer to the A1200 somehow (through a PCMCIA card reader or by putting your drive in a PC and using WinUAE), then extract it to a bootable partition. It's actually the beginning of a new Workbench pack a few of us are working on, so we need some testers if anyone would like to try it and help us perfect it for release. I made a demonstration comparing Composite and S-Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L2279fq258) recently, and to demonstrate I used Workbench and some programs, including Doom and Shapeshifter. Everything you see in the video is included. This was running on a plain 14Mhz 68EC020 A1200 with only a 8MB RAM card, no CPU upgrade so expect better performance on your 030s.
Some good internet software:
WookieChat (Internet Relay Chat) - http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com/wookiechat/
SabreMSN (MSN Instant Messenger) - http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com/sabremsn/
AmIRC (Internet Relay Chat) - http://www.amirc.org/
AmiMSN (MSN Instant Messenger) - http://members.iinet.net.au/~trebs/AmiMSN/ (http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Etrebs/AmiMSN/)
Dynamite (Online Game) - http://amisource.de/dynamite/
AmiTwitter (Twitter) - http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/
AmiGift (P2P File Sharing) - http://amigift.sourceforge.net/
IBrowse (Web Browser) - http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/
AmiNetRadio (Music Collection & Online Radio) - http://amigazeux.net/anr/
TwinVNC (Virtual Network Computer Client) - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/TwinVNC0.8beta
MiamiDX (TCP/IP) - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10cmain
MiamiDX GUI - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10c-MUI
MiamiDX Keyfile - http://www.fatcat.vispa.com/keyring/
Here are some useful files that you can copy to your Amiga on a 720kb DOS-formatted disk (remember to cover the second hole on a HD floppy disk with tape) so you can begin using some PCMCIA cards.
If you're using your PCMCIA port you might experience lockups when the card doesn't reset itself and the Amiga tries to access it. If this happens, you can usually unlock the computer by pulling the card out and re-inserting it. In any case, you should either perform a simple hardware fix or install these patches which will reset your PCMCIA port each time you boot up:
CardPatch - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CardPatch
CardReset - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CardReset
If you use a cheap PCMCIA CF or SD card reader, you will need the driver and a filesystem that recognises FAT-formatted drives:
CompactFlash Device - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/cfd
Fat95 - http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/fat95
When using a PCMCIA network card you will need one of two drivers, depending on the chipset your card uses:
CNet Device - http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/cnetdevice
3c589 Device - http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/3c589
Also you might want to try a lighter, but harder to configure TCP stack, AmiTCP 3.2b is free and there is a very useful setup guide here:
AmiTCP - http://www.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de/~andreas/amitcp/index.htm (http://www.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de/%7Eandreas/amitcp/index.htm)
And of course the most useful file of them all, which you will need before you can extract anything, LhA:
LhA 2.12 (Run this first) - http://aminet.net/package/util/arc/lha
LhA 2.15 (Then extract this) - http://aminet.net/package/util/arc/lha_68k
What else?
Thanks for your help bbond007.
Hey Cammy,
Can you tell me where i can find Dynamite (bomberman) game as once i am online i think i may appear and do battle :)
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hey runequester,
So what you're saying is keep whdload gaming sessions and internet browsing completely separate, ie cold reboot between the two?
You should be able to just shut down the IP stack and be fine, but for simplicity, its easier to just reboot. Only takes a few seconds anyways :)
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Ok so i copied the easynet files onto cf card and then onto 1200 hd in my works drawer on wb, called easynet drawer.
When i double click on the install icon it launches the easynet installer, then when i click proceed it tells me to insert easynet in any drive!!!
Is this because it came to me on cd and the driver is looking for the cd to install from? How do i get round this?
(i don't have a cd drive for my 1200 and can't imagine why amigakit are using cd to install from)
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I am trying to remember how I did it but are you familiar with how to use assigns? You can probably just assign the easynet volume name to wherever you copied the files.
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Hey buddy, are you saying I need to run an assign in my s:start-up?
How did others install easynet from cd if they don't have cd drives? Somebody had suggested saving the easynet cd as an iso image on pc then copy to cf? Does this fool the 1200 into thinking the easynet file is in a cd drive?
Why have amigakit put this sotware on cd?? When will they move into the 21st century and give it as a download with a keyfile that can be installed to the 1200 via cf pcmcia?!
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Hey buddy, are you saying I need to run an assign in my s:start-up?
How did others install easynet from cd if they don't have cd drives? Somebody had suggested saving the easynet cd as an iso image on pc then copy to cf? Does this fool the 1200 into thinking the easynet file is in a cd drive?
Why have amigakit put this sotware on cd?? When will they move into the 21st century and give it as a download with a keyfile that can be installed to the 1200 via cf pcmcia?!
Im trying to remember what I did, but try adding it as an assign in your user startup. Alternatively you can just execute it as a command, but that wont survive a reboot of course.
I've used that to fool the system to believe that something on a CF card or hard drive is actually a CD, since most times, the amiga just looks for the volume name, which can of course be any device.
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Hey, can you let me know when you remember as I'm stuck at this point at the moment :(
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Wow,
I have spent 4 hours trying to get my 1200 online and it has defeated me. No matter what i do i just can't get amitcp stack sorted. I have installed the binaries and the additional files, inserted my ip and gateway address and installed easynet as best i could but every time i double click easynet the program looks for amitcp and then fails.
Soo i need to remove smb-net from my wb...everytime wb loads up i get a msg that says...........
Program "SMB-NET" has not yet returned. Do you want to wait some more?
How do i get rid of this or remove smbnet? I can't delete it as it seems to have appeared as an icon on my wb and won't let me delete (OS 3.9)
Any advice?
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My advice is to use Miami Deluxe, it has a simple Wizard that walks you through the setup the first time you run it after installing. It is also better and more powerful than AmiTCP 3.2b which is included with EasyNet.
MiamiDX (TCP/IP) - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10cmain
MiamiDX GUI - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MiamiDx10c-MUI
MiamiDX Keyfile - http://www.fatcat.vispa.com/keyring/
Dynamite (Online Game) - http://amisource.de/dynamite/
Grunch (Package manager) - http://www.geit.de/eng_grunch.html
Once you get online, run Grunch and it will give you a list of available software, libraries and updates that you can install to make your system more up-to-date.
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Wow,
I have spent 4 hours trying to get my 1200 online and it has defeated me. No matter what i do i just can't get amitcp stack sorted. I have installed the binaries and the additional files, inserted my ip and gateway address and installed easynet as best i could but every time i double click easynet the program looks for amitcp and then fails.
Soo i need to remove smb-net from my wb...everytime wb loads up i get a msg that says...........
Program "SMB-NET" has not yet returned. Do you want to wait some more?
How do i get rid of this or remove smbnet? I can't delete it as it seems to have appeared as an icon on my wb and won't let me delete (OS 3.9)
Any advice?
I have come to this late so sorry for that... Have you got SnoopDOS running and Scout.. plus did you use the cardreset tool for the PCMCIA bug... thinks you were running the card from there. And have you DNS on auto.
Get Miami or Genesis if you don't already and remember the card needs to be online before you try anything. You need to set one card up for networking and the other for broadband and maybe one for dialup. With auto the network is invisible. With samba I don't get the broadband. Its one or tother. I also have my own scripts for handshaking with PCs and the like. Scout and or Snoop will tell you the fail point.
When I go online my Amiga can never resolve the IP issues but just bulldozes through with MiamiDX... Same with Genesis. I just had to change the one setting to auto from the net set up and I went online straight away.
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Ok so i am going down the miami route (which was my initial thoughts after other people's recommendations) and i have installed all the miami software including gui 3.8.
When i come to initialise miami i see no set up wizard, but an initialisation file so i double click on this and it brings up a plethora of options as to what my connections could be - modem, isdn board - serial driver, parallel, null modem, ethernet cable/adsl modem, arcnet.
So i choose ethernet which is what i thought my connection was via the pcmcia card and then it gives my various options commodore/cei a2065 unit 1, 2, 3, 4 or other. None of the commodore options work, so now i'm stuck.
I hoped the set-up wizard would do all this for me, nevertheless initial impressions are that miami is more user friendly than easynet. (Using easynet and amitcp caused significant system instability on my OS 3.9)
So i think i need a little helping hand from experienced miami users :)
(my card is an Etherlink III LAN PC Card for 10BASE-T and coaxial cable 3C589C) connected to a broadband ethernet router
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ok, I have installed 3c589 all ok. (my card software)
When i double click on miami initialisation file, i now enter ethernet/modem as my option and then i click other and type in "3c589.device"
It then tells me it is contacting RArp server (loading)
and then gives me a subnet mask to confirm, which corresponds with my pc subnet mask so i click continue and......., i just get the clock icon continuously as if its thinking but not getting any further.
Its all plugged in, the pcmcia card and the wire from the card to the router. (the light on the card is on green continuously)
Any suggestions how i proceed, as i feel like i'm nearly there ! (http://www.amibay.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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You might be better off not using MiamiInit (or whatever it's called). Just start Miami, go to the Interface settings, and make sure 3c589.device is used there.
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You might be better off not using MiamiInit (or whatever it's called). Just start Miami, go to the Interface settings, and make sure 3c589.device is used there.
That's really unhelpful, can't you elaborate? Why is he better off not using MiamiInit? How is he supposed to figure out the rest of the settings just by running Miami and making sure the right device is in there? Where does he look to find it?
My advice is just to keep trying with MiamiInit and re-read the documentation. I would walk you through it myself but if I keep repeating myself on forums and IRC instead of letting people work it out for themselves as I originally had to, I'll never get time to finish coding all the new Amiga programs I'm working on. I'm not trying to be rude but I never have any time to myself when everyone is always begging me to solve their problems for them.
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I supose that you are using a 3com pcmcia card, i have three of them, tested on a portable pc and works fine, on the a1200 side just two work fine, with no reason or significant errors, sometimes pcmcia card give a response to the miamidx query and sometimes no, just a mistery.
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That's really unhelpful, can't you elaborate? Why is he better off not using MiamiInit? How is he supposed to figure out the rest of the settings just by running Miami and making sure the right device is in there? Where does he look to find it?
I just remember having trouble with MiamiInit in the past, and find it better to use the main settings GUI. And Snoozy seems to be getting bombarded with obsolete options such as Arcnet, A2065-only Ethernet etc., not to mention that it's hanging on him.
Here's more information about using the main GUI: start Miami, and click on the Interface button. Set Interface Type to SANA-II Ethernet, and enter 3c589.device in the Driver box. Set IP, Netmask and Gateway to DHCP. Click OK.
Then click on the Database button, choose DNS Servers from the drop-down list, and enter your router's IP address. Click OK. Go to the Settings menu and select 'Save as default'. Click on the Online button.
My advice is just to keep trying with MiamiInit and re-read the documentation. I would walk you through it myself but if I keep repeating myself on forums and IRC instead of letting people work it out for themselves as I originally had to, I'll never get time to finish coding all the new Amiga programs I'm working on. I'm not trying to be rude but I never have any time to myself when everyone is always begging me to solve their problems for them.
Me too. That's exactly why I didn't give a fuller answer last time. But I thought a nudge in the right direction was better than nothing.
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Wow,
I have spent 4 hours trying to get my 1200 online and it has defeated me. No matter what i do i just can't get amitcp stack sorted. I have installed the binaries and the additional files, inserted my ip and gateway address and installed easynet as best i could but every time i double click easynet the program looks for amitcp and then fails.
Soo i need to remove smb-net from my wb...everytime wb loads up i get a msg that says...........
Program "SMB-NET" has not yet returned. Do you want to wait some more?
How do i get rid of this or remove smbnet? I can't delete it as it seems to have appeared as an icon on my wb and won't let me delete (OS 3.9)
Any advice?
smb-net does that on mine too. remove it from wbstartup and put it in tools or something. I think that might be something to do with scalos. Anyway, run it manually when needed, as it still is a useful tool. I have it set up to connect to my windows7 box...
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Well there's no doubting the fact that running miaminit caused my system to hang, i found out that at the verification stage of miamiinit you should press enter (rather than click on continue - where you can guarantee it will hang) I got as far as naming my connection on miaminit (ie almost at the end) and it would always hang, soooooo
Back to googling and come across one of thomas's previous postings (nearly 10 years ago)
(see entry 18th Nov 2003 22:42)
http://eab.abime.net/archive/index.php/t-11591.html
and 3 days ago i have managed to get miami online (finally)
and although my status on miami tells me i am online, when i try to web browse with Aweb, it gives an error while retrieving url, cannot resolve host name.
Is it possible to have miami online and still not have it communicate with aweb? so now, i am in the process of trying miami with ibrowse....
btw, my card is an Etherlink III LAN PC Card for 10BASE-T and coaxial cable 3C589C) connected to a broadband ethernet router
But still the same problem with ibrowse - "Host lookup failed, no DNS entry found." Thomas !! Help!!
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How did you set your DNS server(s)? Did you read my advice on that?
Can you ping your router's IP address (if you know it)? E.g.:
miamiping 192.168.0.1
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If you're using MiamiDX with RJ-45 cable then the DHCP will find the IP address automatically. This is how it works for me anyhow. Sometimes you must try several times but it will find it in the end.
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I have found 2 further useful links
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ight=miami+dns
and here (have to put my german gcse head on), hmmm
http://www.amiga-club.de/faq/miami_rout.html