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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Jeff on January 08, 2004, 04:15:13 AM
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I recently bid on an Amiga 3000T motherboard from karmanss. The item (2770789487) was listed as parts-non working. I clearly asked ahead of time if the board had any damage from a corroded battery. The seller responded that it did not. I wanted to repair the board as a spare for my aging "T". The board not only arrived with battery corrosion damage, but someone destroyed the board by removing the SMD 68030 and 68882 destroying/shorting traces in the process. At first I thought "Oh Well at least it was only $33.00". But the more I think about it, I wouldn't have bid on this crap had I known that. Shouldn't he have disclosed that when I asked about the battery?
I also bid on and won a FMV for one of my CD32's (3066700074) paid for within 24 hours of auction close 12/22. The seller still hadn't shipped the item as of 1/05. I am loosing faith and patients with eBay sellers. I have always worked hard to make sure people are happy when I sell and that things happen in a timely manor.
I want to bid on other Amiga items on eBay and I am finding it hard to trust these people anymore. Am I being to critical or are things getting worse ?
Thanks for letting me Vent
Jeff
:-)
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Though the last item I was bidding on ebay wasn't an Amiga item, I hear where you are coming from. I was bidding on an item for my Dad's xmas and 1 minute before the auction ended with me to be the winner, the guy pulled it with no explaination. There was no reserve on it and I think he realized he was losing big on it. I emailed ebay about the violation and they said that something would be done, but who knows what. If I were you I would certainly email both ebay and the seller asking for to return the item and get your money back because you were lied to about the condition. . . unless in the auction is stated that the board was missing the 030 and 68882. People on ebay are getting worse in general in my opinion, not just with Amiga parts. Shame.
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I ordered from him as well. Paid $500 for an Amiga 4000 complete in it's original box. I have yet to see if it works though. Need a VGA monitor. :-P
I should note that he shipped it out the next day.
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I Got roasted on non functioning equipment from Ebay before and this was with a so called Ebay Star.
Ebay is pretty BAD right now. If you are a big seller on Ebay they will look the other way when you make blatant violations of policy.
Ebay becuase of greed will do themselves in pretty soon.
It is a shame.
Funny thing I see people buy used things on Ebay for more than what they could have brought for in the store brand new.
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People sometimes pay silly amounts for stuff on ebay. I recently sold a Nec n21i imode cellphone with a broken of antenna for 60EUR. According to phoneshops the antenna could not be repaired. Dunno what you'd want with a halfworking cellphone. :-?
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Well you can check the auction out, it's still up. I was ok with it at first until I thought about it for a while after looking at the board. The photo sucks and you can't see the damage. I clearly asked ahead of time about battery damage. My responce would have been "the board has been destroyed by improper removal of the CPU and Math CO. Extensive unrepairable trace damage!". I guess it never occured to me to also ask, has anyone hacked any chips off of the board?
karmanss also has some other cool stuff up on eBay, toaster/flyer and such. I sure won't bid on them. Problem is eBay is "THE" place to buy hard to find Amiga stuff. Experiences like these are making me NOT want to shop eBay, and I know there are still good people out there like redrumloa for example.
There have been 2 other FMV's up on eBay since the auction I won. Both are nicer packages and if I didn't have a $100.00 tied up with garbage and stuff that the seller can't ship I could bid on one of those.
The guy you were buying from must have been an inexperienced seller. You can easily set up an auction properly so these type of things don't have to happen. I am sorry about yours as well.
Jeff
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If you look at Karmanss eBay profile
you will see Karmanss has elected to make their Feedback Profile private so comments are not available for public viewing at this time.
I don't think I would buy from someone who doesn't want you to read his feedback.
Jeff, I didn't see a new negative either. You should, you know.
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" Funny thing I see people buy used things on Ebay for more than what they could have brought for in the store brand new. "
It the bidding frenzy kinda like gambling. They set their sights on an item and refuse to lose the bid, but they end up loosing all common sense. :lol:
A fool and his money are easily parted. :-P
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How do they do that?
I had one seller unilaterally get rid of my negative feedback I gave him. That was most surpising. Though it did explain his spotless over 20,000 feedback.
eBay really needs to revamp their feedback system.
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How can someone get rid of a negative feedback?
I have had some good and bad experiences. I got a A4000 030 setup w/C=1960 monitor a few years ago for a descent deal. (I think the 030 is the only reason I did not pay over $400. I also got a DKB 3128 buy it now for $25!!!!! That was my best deal to date. But some things sure get over priced it is pathetic. I have seen things also sell for more that you can get it on the store! (Like new DVD movies)
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Although eBay undoubtedly has some dodgy sellers, I would like to think that it is only a minority.
I follow my own personal rules when bidding, to prevent myself from being stung...
- I don't bid on expensive and/or rare items with no picture
- I don't bid on items with minimal descriptions
- I don't bid on items where the seller has put something "funny" as their location, such as "Middle of Nowhere" (I've seen plenty like this)
- I don't bid on items whose sellers have hidden their feedback
- I don't bid on items with "!WOW!" in the title!
I'm an experienced eBay seller with 100% positive feedback from 247 unique buyers, and I treat my winning bidders like I would expect to be treated myself. If everyone followed this, eBay would be trouble-free!
The only trouble I have had with eBay was with my most expensive item to date... my CD32 SX32 Pro module. It took nearly a month to be delivered (and I paid instantly with PayPal) , but at least the guy kept responding to my e-mails saying he was unable to make it to the post office.
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Boy I hear ya!
I say that you should leave BAD feedback for that chump
My guess is that he probably gave you some LAMEO excuse like he was working RETAIL during the holiday season and just FLAT OUT couldn't get to the POST OFFICE while they were open!
That loser probably offered to all some VCDs or other stuff to the order to fatten it up and thank you for your patience!
What a loser!
Damn his good 100% positive feedback rating!
Vengence is yours!
Leave him negative feeback!
LOL!
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1) Negative Feedback option
2) E-bay has insurance for low price transactions
3) E-bay has escrow for higher priced goods.
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logicalheart wrote:
1) Negative Feedback option
2) E-bay has insurance for low price transactions
3) E-bay has escrow for higher priced goods.
Can I claim for the £15 I lost?
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I agree, it's going down the tubes.... I saw a Cybergrafx w/ scan double go for $170. When I sold mine, $125.
I think there is an underlying thought that if you are getting it off of E-Bay, you are getting a deal...
That and the feeling of compotition are the main drivers that get people to over look big [color=CC0000]BIG[/color] warning signs.....
My two bits
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This is an example of stupid people mk1 escort model (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3578250800&category=223) these can be bought for 20 pound and yet with a 30 pound start it already has a bid. :-?
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A lot of people have given some really good tips about eBay and I'll try to use them. What I would like to see is AmigaBay. A smaller place where screened reputable buyers and sellers could get together for safer transactions. But that's not likely to happen.
Some of this stuff is getting really hard to find. I have a really nice collection of classic Amiga's and I need a few more bits to round it out.
Thanks for the tips,
Jeff
:pint:
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Jeff,
I have read everything posted so far in this thread you have posted. I have bought a lot of stuff on eBay and for the most part I have done well. Admittedly a lot of what I bought was large comercial electronic parts which seem to come from a more reputable group. I think a lot of the Amiga stuff on eBay is stuff from estates that vultures get by preying on people who know little or nothing about what they have. In turn these vultures try to pass it on us by being as clever as their small brains will allow using lies in the form of ommission or the old "I don't know anything about this" line of crap. As much as I hate to say this I believe it is a buyer beware game. The list of warnings posted here in this thread is a good plan to follow. I might add that I am not beyond pressing for details even after winning a bid. I more or less give them one last chance to back out if they are trying to screw me. I have found that if they are up to no good they will start to squirm when they think they are gotten on to. One problem I have had lately is slow shipping. I have also learned that the so-called power sellers are the ones to stay away from unless it is some deal you can't loose on. I always give these guys the worst feedback I can in the number of characters we are limited to. Always contact eBay with your complaint. If they get enough on these rats they will be forced to do something. Amiga.org should have a forum for rating eBay sellers that we can look at and use it to avoid any crooked sellers.
Dave
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I've had about a dozen or more Ebay transactions as of late. Everything from a full A4000D to software for it. I have to say that my experiences with buyers has been 100% good. I don't buy from people that have too much negative feedback, nor from people who hide it.
I'm due for my first bad experience, I can feel it.
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Wolfe wrote:
It the bidding frenzy kinda like gambling. They set their sights on an item and refuse to lose the bid, but they end up loosing all common sense. :lol:
A fool and his money are easily parted. :-P
That's so true. I did it too, few months ago I really wanted an MP3 player for my Siemens phone. I ended up buying two :crazy:. Later I sold the second one again at a loss of 40% on EBay.
It was a learning experience anyway :-).
Another thing I've noted is that EBay seems to be swamped with new Hotmailamers with a zero feedback who always end up being non-paying bidders. Is it just me or is the amount of those arseholes really bad now?
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Where's Redrumloa when we need him? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Bodie_CI5 wrote:
Where's Redrumloa when we need him? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
He's still around, though at times he is the invisible Amiga seller despite advertising.
HERE (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=redrumloa&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50)
We still have plenty of Amiga stock to clear out, not too much is listed ATM but there will be alot more by the weekend.
Most of the stuff in THIS (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5940) thread is still available in small quantities.
As for our advise on eBay is do your homework. Scrutinize a seller's feedback BEFORE you bid. If he is hiding his feedback, if he has more than 1-2% negative, or if there is recent negative then it is buyer beware. Also I'd never purchase any high ticket item from a brand new eBayer. With some simple prevention methods eBay is very safe and the best marketplace for buyers.
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Hi cybereye
Check your PM
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Jeff-
did the FMV module EVER show up???
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Yes, it did finally today! It's SO COOL to see a CD32 play a movie so effortlessly. I just poped in Silent Running and it took right off. Great picture too.
Now if I could only locate the plastic cover for the back of it I'd be in heaven :-). The stock cover won't fit over the "U" connector. I would gladly pay for one if somebody wanted to sell theirs.
Although this one has version 40.22 rom in it, I have the stuff to program another rom for it if I can find the 40.30 binary file somewhere.
I am almost tempted to buy another complete unit if I can't find the cover. Ya I know I'm crazy, don't rub it in.
BTW How should I handle feedback for this transaction? Although the guy did take 2 full weeks after payment to ship it, I did get it and it does work. Thoughts? I have never left anyone a bad feedback before.
Jeff :-D
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BTW How should I handle feedback for this transaction? Although the guy did take 2 full weeks after payment to ship it, I did get it and it does work. Thoughts? I have never left anyone a bad feedback before.
It soulds like you are a little unhappy but overall happy that you got the item and it works well. In your situation I would not leave any feedback. If seller asks why tell him why. If you leave neg he may retaliate with a neg back at you. Is it really worth it because he waited 2 weeks to get a negative on your id? You have to weigh it. If I am really really unhappy I do not care if I get a retaliatory because it is more important that others know what this person did. BUT they really have to mess up for me to do that. Like item never arriving, or it arriving not like it was listed. ie broken, in really bad shape, missing parts, etc. Being a little late but getting the item as described AND being happy with it, is not worth getting into a fight over!
/rant off
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Kewl man!
I'm glad it finally showed up!
I checked usps.com and it showed that it WAS received(left) today!
Did you like the goodies I tossed in too?
Enjoy, it is a sweet piece of kit!
Jeff wrote:
Yes, it did finally today! It's SO COOL to see a CD32 play a movie so effortlessly. I just poped in Silent Running and it took right off. Great picture too.
Now if I could only locate the plastic cover for the back of it I'd be in heaven :-). The stock cover won't fit over the "U" connector. I would gladly pay for one if somebody wanted to sell theirs.
Although this one has version 40.22 rom in it, I have the stuff to program another rom for it if I can find the 40.30 binary file somewhere.
I am almost tempted to buy another complete unit if I can't find the cover. Ya I know I'm crazy, don't rub it in.
BTW How should I handle feedback for this transaction? Although the guy did take 2 full weeks after payment to ship it, I did get it and it does work. Thoughts? I have never left anyone a bad feedback before.
Jeff :-D
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Thanks, yes it is an impressive piece of hardware! Especially considering that it's 10 year old technology.
I even found the 40.30 rom file. I have had it all along with some OLD Amiga stuff. I'll be updating the eprom tomorrow to the latest version.
Jeff
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Sounds like a fun little project! One of my other ones is a current ROM version, and I honestly could not tell the difference! But I only ran a few CD-I movies or programs at all!
ALSO remember that when you burn VCDs to do it in NTSC size & refresh!
PAL will work, but you loose aprx. 25 lines at the bottom!
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BTW How should I handle feedback for this transaction? Although the guy did take 2 full weeks after payment to ship it,
I would enter it as neutral and type. Item works well, took over two weeks to ship.
On another note. Several Amiga sellers on ebay are not so nice. I bought a CS MK III for $400 with buy it now advertised as like new, works perfectly. I had asked if it was a phase5 or DCE before I bid and was told it was a Phase5 board. When the item came it was old lookig at beat up. The 060 looked like it had been pried off with a screw driver and put back on a few times. It didnt work at all. When I emailed the guy back he told me it must have been dammaged in shipping. I was so pissed. No way it was dammaged. Iy was packed rather well.
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@StevenJGore:
One more rule- I dont bid on "spam" descriptions like
"Amiga Computer NOT ALTAIR IBM ACORN CRAY ATARI"
Its clearly against the rules, but ebay still does nothing about it. But they sure did cancel an auction for an unopened 5 user Netware 3.12 (!?!) box I was
bidding on. 11 year old unopened software. I know, I know- the end of the world. Stop them. Release the hounds.
Also-I bought a GE VHF radio on December 17th. Still not shipped. It was a dutch auction, so I wrote the rest of the bidders. None of them got anything either. Two are driving down to South Carolina today to pay the seller a visit. We;ll see what happens with this.
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Jeff wrote:
BTW How should I handle feedback for this transaction? Although the guy did take 2 full weeks after payment to ship it, I did get it and it does work. Thoughts? I have never left anyone a bad feedback before.
Jeff :-D
I would simply state the facts, stay away from emotive statements, and if you feel the whole experience was good/bad/middling leave the appropriate feedback.
Remember if they leave bad feedback in retailiation you can attach a comment or contact ebay to mitigate the effects for future buyers.
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my own feed-back list (http://feedback.benl.ebay.be/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=discovmax&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS) shows two negative feedback´s that I can not get rid of. One is from a local dude that refused to pick up an 1,5 meter aquarium that he bought for 1,5 euro and the other one a guy from USA that refused to ship an older Deep Purple video to Belgium. In both cases I didn´t do anything wrong but it does give me two black spots on my list. What I try to say is that please beware when you give negative feedback.In several cases it is justified, but not always. I also tend to give perfect positive feedback when I get something that DOES work, no matter how long I had to wait, and two weeks is really not an exception. Most things I buy are from Germany which means international shipping, and not every seller appears to like this as most prefer only shipping inside Germany. Am I addicted to Ebay ??? In a way ´yes´,but I do use the same tricks that I have read already in this thread, good tricks if I may add, but I only started using them after a bad deal where I paid and never got anything ... that is the risc. On the other hand, I won an auction last month for a laptop part, for a real cheap price, but the seller preferred not to sell outside Germany as he already had written in the info of his auction. So I offered very friendly to give him positive feedback, to let him give me positive feedback too and that he could re-sell it again. It all happened and we both were happy.
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@StevenJGore
"I follow my own personal rules when bidding, to prevent myself from being stung...
- I don't bid on expensive and/or rare items with no picture
- I don't bid on items with minimal descriptions
- I don't bid on items where the seller has put something "funny" as their location, such as "Middle of Nowhere" (I've seen plenty like this)
- I don't bid on items whose sellers have hidden their feedback
- I don't bid on items with "!WOW!" in the title!"
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I agree with you 100% on those rules, as I follow them myself. :-) Now about that CD32/SX32 pro you purchased.............wasnt that the saem one you ended up selling on ebay on got a REAL good sale on? That was amazing.............but believe it or not.if I did not currently own my own CD32/SX32 Pro..............I would have paid the same price for it. I love that machine.
@everyone
eBay is a good place as long as you knoww what your doing......................follow some of these rules StevenJGore has shown here and you'll bee safer. Buy more from trusted sellers, and always keep in mind that people sometimes experience trouble. I once sold a Program for the Amiga to someone on eBay, but I was short on cash and was moving to a different house..............I was having a real hard time...............an this buyer was extremely understanding! The item I sold was for $1.00, andd yet he sent $20.00 because he felt bad that it only sold for $1.00.......on top of that he gave me like 3 weeks or 4 weeks to ship his item, which was actually pretty easy to ship. Real nice guy and I trust him............I later gave him some freebies for being so understanding and now we are currently friends. I try to help him out whenever I can. :-)
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Hi Argo,
I had one seller unilaterally get rid of my negative feedback I gave him. That was most surpising. Though it did explain his spotless over 20,000 feedback.
He paid the $20.00 to have it removed. :roll:
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@Argo
How do you remove a negative feedback "unilaterally"? I see that there's a "mutually removed" thing on there, but can you really remove feedback yourself?
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@odin
I wonder how anyone on ebay can go about being a lamer. Don't you have to give a credit card to apply?
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This is just another sad case of eBay not caring about the people that use eBay.
Rather they care more about profit.
GREED, eBay is just another company that cares more about money than any thing else, I think in the end eBay will regret the way they are going.
But then again its the same all over, the more money they make the more they want, the actual thought of caring for the people gets lost along the way.
eBay is like a lot of other companies that exist they only think of themselvs, I just cant understand they way they think I mean to say its "we" the people who make eBay the money.
They just sit back and smile probably thinking "Yes thats it, one born every minute, how can we lose"
With an office full of slimy lawyers with a book of 1000 loopholes how can they realy lose.
Mike....
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No big business cares about 'people', they just might want to appear to care about people. Small businesses often do, because they can't compete on price/PR so have to rely on customer care. It's a catch 22 kinda thing ...
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karmanss has bought some Amiga stuff from me before. Is he from Canada? If so that was my A3000T. It would go to a yellow screen and thats it. Had 3.1 roms, 3640 board etc.