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Title: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: Piru on November 08, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Microsoft Security Bulletin MS11-083 - Critical
Vulnerability in TCP/IP Could Allow Remote Code Execution (2588516)

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/bulletin/ms11-083
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: commodorejohn on November 08, 2011, 09:53:04 PM
Ha ha, doesn't affect XP! My refusal to upgrade: my greatest asset!
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: Cammy on November 09, 2011, 12:25:20 AM
That's awesome. :)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: nicholas on November 09, 2011, 12:30:58 AM
Doesn't affect Linux, Amiga OS, MorphOS, BeOS or OSX.

My refusal to conform, my greatest asset! ;)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 12:44:48 AM
Quote from: Cammy;667053
That's awesome. :)

 

:)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: Argo on November 09, 2011, 03:59:35 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;667022
Ha ha, doesn't affect XP! My refusal to upgrade: my greatest asset!


As it is not supported anymore. You can go right ahead, I hope you like your screen door Internet security that XP has.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: commodorejohn on November 09, 2011, 04:23:58 AM
Sure, sure, because Microsoft updates are the only way to secure a system. Third-party protection doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 05:04:36 AM
I run XPlite for one. That in itself makes Windows more secure. Secondly, I'm already in the habit of doing a fresh re-install about every month, so I don't care much of my system happens to get a virus or what ever. I'm just going to format anyway. And besides, most of my Machines don't even run windows, and the majority of the stuff I download can't be infected by it anyhow.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: marcfrick2112 on November 09, 2011, 05:27:17 AM
Well, my REAL computer is an Amiga anyway, so LOL! And my PC's all run XP anyway....

Hmm, will my C-128's be safe? :roflmao:
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 05:29:31 AM
Sure, but you may want to keep an eye on that Vic 20 though!!!
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: Ami_GFX on November 09, 2011, 05:38:54 AM
Quote from: Argo;667066
As it is not supported anymore. You can go right ahead, I hope you like your screen door Internet security that XP has.


Windows Xp is still supported and gets regular patches and updates. Microsoft had to put that one off due to the large user base of Xp who refuse to upgrade on their schedule which includes a lot of corporate users.

Windows Xp can be very secure if it is administered right. In a default installation it is not very secure at all. If you take the care to install a good firewall and antivirus and only go online in user mode, you are halfway there. If you know how to set file permissions and model your file permission and access structure on Unix/Linux and you know how to tweak the security settings in administrative tools, you can make Xp much more secure. And if you add imaging and do an image of your system on a regular basis, you can recover quickly from any malware or corruption of your system whether it is from hacking, malware or just installing a piece of software that doesn't work well with your system.

Security depends as much on behavior as technology. If you never go to pirate or porn sites, your security rating automatically goes up no matter what system you're using or how well you administer it. Just like living in the big city and avoiding dangerous neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: LoadWB on November 09, 2011, 06:01:57 AM
Quote from: Argo;667066
As it is not supported anymore.


[citation needed]

Quote
You can go right ahead, I hope you like your screen door Internet security that XP has.


Anyone running Windows XP OOTB and connected directly to the Internet, I would agree is not the smartest.  Windows XP with SP3 and up-to-date with all updates, proper security software, firewall on, and unnecessary services disabled, is about as safe as anything else Windows.

Myself, I'm running XP Pro x64.  I'll move to 7 when I have to, but that's not right now.  I'm hoping that before I'm forced to move to 7 (having to use it on a regular basis to provide adequate support) I might not being do the work I do now and can move to something else.  I'd like to build me a Solaris workstation, again.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 06:07:54 AM
This is one of the worst threads in Amiga.org history!

Back in the day we discussed ways in which we could crash Windows users over IRC...

...now this?!? :)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: dougal on November 09, 2011, 06:23:38 AM
Quote from: Argo;667066
As it is not supported anymore. You can go right ahead, I hope you like your screen door Internet security that XP has.


Funnily XP did a few automatic updates for me yesterday. So there must still be some kind of support for it.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: psxphill on November 09, 2011, 07:30:44 AM
Quote from: nicholas;667054
Doesn't affect Linux, Amiga OS, MorphOS, BeOS or OSX.
 
My refusal to conform, my greatest asset! ;)

Doesn't affect anyone connected to the internet via a router. It's not that scary, OSX iis much more of a risk.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 07:33:54 AM
Real men use DOS to go online!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne_%28web_browser%29

[youtube]NBJQgMJ7l4g[/youtube]
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: mikeymike on November 09, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;667070
I run XPlite for one. That in itself makes Windows more secure. Secondly, I'm already in the habit of doing a fresh re-install about every month


Why? (the fresh reinstall)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: mikeymike on November 09, 2011, 09:03:23 AM
I wonder if people here have considered how many vulnerabilities would be found in the TCP/IP stacks for AmigaOS/MorphOS if they were subjected to the same amount of scrutiny that the main players are?

Security through obscurity provides a little bit of protection in the real world, but not very much.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: XDelusion on November 09, 2011, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: mikeymike;667105
I wonder if people here have considered how many vulnerabilities would be found in the TCP/IP stacks for AmigaOS/MorphOS if they were subjected to the same amount of scrutiny that the main players are?

Security through obscurity provides a little bit of protection in the real world, but not very much.

But Amiga/Morph/ etc. are so far underground at this point that nobody is going to be bored enough to write up virus' and exploits for our beloved OS. That's our winning edge. :)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: zipper on November 09, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
Great update - got bluescreen and recurrent BSODs. Had to restore to an earlied date - the first one bsodded, too. Luckily the second one did work...(OK, never earlier happened).
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: itix on November 09, 2011, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: Ami_GFX;667075
Windows Xp is still supported and gets regular patches and updates. Microsoft had to put that one off due to the large user base of Xp who refuse to upgrade on their schedule which includes a lot of corporate users.


Indeed. In fact many companies still buy new machines with XP preinstalled.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: psxphill on November 09, 2011, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: Ami_GFX;667075
Windows Xp is still supported and gets regular patches and updates.

Only XP SP3 is supported & only some critical security updates. There have been a few security issues that Microsoft have refused to fix.
 
8th April 2014 is when XP support is retired altogether.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: TheGoose on November 09, 2011, 02:36:22 PM
Non-Affected Software

Operating System
Windows XP Service Pack 3
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition Service Pack 2
Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2
Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition Service Pack 2
Windows Server 2003 with SP2 for Itanium-based Systems

Not a problem here, all comfortably deprecated.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: commodorejohn on November 09, 2011, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: psxphill;667124
8th April 2014 is when XP support is retired altogether.
Yeah, that's what they said the last time. Something tells me that when a product has XP's massive install base, no major flaws beyond the need for occasional security patching, and is a known-good solution to most businesses' needs, it's not gonna be replaced any time soon, no matter what Microsoft wants.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: Duce on November 09, 2011, 04:33:06 PM
Thanks for the heads up - installed without a hitch, Win7 x64.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: zipper on November 09, 2011, 09:06:24 PM
Spent half a day with bluescreens - finally it was clashing security software problem; my own fault mostly...
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: orange on November 09, 2011, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: TheGoose;667130
Non-Affected Software

Operating System
Windows XP Service Pack 3
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition Service Pack 2
Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2
Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition Service Pack 2
Windows Server 2003 with SP2 for Itanium-based Systems

Not a problem here, all comfortably deprecated.


so, title should be ".. - downgrade immediately"
:)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: Lurch on November 09, 2011, 11:31:46 PM
Quote from: Argo;667066
As it is not supported anymore. You can go right ahead, I hope you like your screen door Internet security that XP has.



XP will be supported up to 08/04/2014, so still supported :)
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: actung_bab on November 10, 2011, 12:34:20 AM
Thanks piru
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: runequester on November 10, 2011, 02:23:44 AM
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

Done :laughing:
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: kickstart on November 10, 2011, 02:32:05 AM
Quote from: runequester;667208
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

Done :laughing:


I dont see the "lol", this upgrade was installed two days ago automatically, im not a windows fan but sometimes windows is critized for free and linux or osx is the holy grail.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: runequester on November 10, 2011, 03:33:55 AM
Quote from: kickstart;667209
I dont see the "lol", this upgrade was installed two days ago automatically, im not a windows fan but sometimes windows is critized for free and linux or osx is the holy grail.


That's because it's the only thing thats free about windows.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: Digiman on November 10, 2011, 08:08:08 AM
XP is acceptable, not a panacea of genius as KS/WB was compared to Windows v1/8086 in 1985.

7 is a service pack for Vista with GUI downgrade.

Truth is today Windows, ?buntu AND OSX are nothing special. Third party apps is their only saving grace :)

As for security......not using things that grind my XP install to snail's pace like Norton hasn't killed my XP SP2 in 6 years so who cares.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: joemango on November 10, 2011, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: Argo;667066
As it is not supported anymore. You can go right ahead, I hope you like your screen door Internet security that XP has.


Not true.  They still do security updates on it.  Win7x64 is great but there are still issues with drivers for some of my legacy hardware, which is why I still use XP in dual boot.
Title: Re: Critical Windows Vulnerability - update immediately
Post by: fishy_fiz on November 10, 2011, 05:06:45 PM
I actually like WinXP+SP3. By far my favorite non amiga based OS. Its pretty light (in modern terms), and works nicely.
My main gripe is the artificial restriction to DX9.1.
Would be the ultimate media centre OS otherwise, especially after its stripped back some. I reluctantly upgraded to Tiny Vista for my media centre box when I bought my gf gtx570. Thankfully though I make a point of keeping my mediacentre machine offline.